I have yet to see anyone who does not have a vested interest in Metro like it.
It used to be that I could easily troll (is it really a troll if I honestly believe it's the case?) dozens of people by stating that Metro is going to take over the desktop. Many vibrating with visible anger. These days, not so much, because many people have moved on from anger and denial to acceptance. Because both you and I know that Microsoft can force whatever UI they want and people will eat it up, because when all you've ever had is a shit sandwich, you think all sandwiches contain shit.
>Windows 7
Windows 7 actually doesn't suck. It's what Vista should have been. Its throughput for nontrivial amounts of files/does/ suck, but as a run-of-the-mill OS, it's not 'orrible, guvnuh.
Metro, paired with the traditional desktop, switching in and out seemingly at random depending on what kind of application you're running, is a real 'orrorshow.
And that's what you guys keep glossing over. Having both GUIs on the same machine violates everything both Microsoft and Apple have said about consistency of UI.
The only solution is to get rid of one or the other.
That means that the Desktop needs to go. Microsoft is/not/ backing down from Metro. Even though Metro sucks on the desktop for anyone who has actually tried it.
>implying I'm a joke of the tech world
As if I care. There are actual jokes of the tech world, and they are Ed Bott, Robert Enderle of the Enderle Group (of one), Maureen O'Gargle (was that her ice in her highball I heard clink during a SCO phone call?) etc, ad nauseam. And they are all violently pro-Microsoft. The only journalist that covers Microsoft that has a shred of integrity is Mary Jo Foley. She really does make Ed Bott look like the utter douche he is.
By the way, there's only one person who has ever said this to me on here, and he happens to be my "anonymous stalker"
Hi anonymous stalker. You forgot to logout. Eat a bag of dicks.
>Implying you have to be in Seattle to be an employee of Microsoft
Do you honestly think I fell off the kielbasa wagon yesterday?
>implying that Groklaw is bad >implying that Groklaw was ever wrong about any of this.
Groklaw had shown a light upon the idiocy that was SCO vs World+Dog, and the only people, to date, who are anti-Groklaw are people like Florian Meuller who says shit like this:
The net effect of that big brainwashing effort is that some of the more credulous and less informed people now distrust a very smart analyst like Rob Enderle, very smart journalists like Maureen O'Gara and Dan Lyons, or a very smart author like Ed Bott, only because they comment on certain issues with greater sanity than Groklaw.
When confronted about who pays Florian's bills, he dodged and weaved said it was off topic on LWN.
You make it sound as if they removed the desktop apps. You can still use all the deskop apps and use the start screen instead of the start menu.
Metro is not merely the start screen. Metro is an entirely different paradigm for using a computer. For you to say that it's merely the replacement for the start button is to be intellectually dishonest, and frankly, misrepresenting what your employer has created.
The removal of the Registry key that toggles Metro is evidence of where Microsoft is headed with Metro. If they truly wanted to leave it up to the user whether to use Metro or not, they could have left the registry key there. It's not like it was doing any harm. You could set the flag on the registry key and, as a desktop user, be totally content in a blissful state of pure desktop.
But no, they had to remove it. Why? To force Metro. There really is no other explanation. If you have one that makes an iota of sense, I'd like to hear it.
>Paul Therroutt
He is indeed correct on that last paragraph. Microsoft is doubling down on Metro, and if you fail to see that then you are blind.
Just how much ZaRex do you have to drink (it wasn't Kool Aid they drank in Jonestown) to believe that dueling GUIs on the same computer is not a colossally stupid idea?
WTF is a "paided" poster? At least get your grammar right.
I put it in quotes because it is internet slang for shill.
Metro is good for things like browsers and casual consumer apps and is perfect for something like a portable tablet., but is unsuitable for many productivity apps like Photoshop, AutoCad, Office or Visual Studio, thus the Desktop lives on.
Then why did Microsoft remove the ability to turn off Metro? You know, for people who sit at a desk and do work.
I doubt you will answer it seeing as you are a "paided" poster.
Why does Metro make you guys so defensive? Isn't it supposed to be superior to the Desktop? Isn't it the latest and greatest from Microsoft? Wouldn't you/rather/ have such a superior interface take over as the premier interface of all operating systems ever?
As a Windows booster, you must think that Metro is the cat's balls.
Then be resigned to stupid UI decisions that make your less computer-savvy friends always ask you the same dumb questions to which you'll have to always ask "is this in metro or is this on the desktop" and they'll say "huh?" Microsoft has always made big claims about consistency of UI, and if they leave the desktop paradigm in with Metro, they'll be making their own biggest cardinal sin.
The desktop paradigm is dead. Microsoft smote the ground and declared it thus with Metro.
You seem to think that the Desktop paradigm will survive the RTM.
It won't.
There are two competing GUI paradigms on the same OS, which seemingly swap in and out on a random basis. This is UI nightmare territory. Removing the Desktop paradigm is better than having both. You know it's true. Microsoft has even removed the Registry entry that allows you to turn off Metro in Consumer Preview.
Metro is "not finished" because it hasn't taken over the entire OS. There is still time for it to do so, and Microsoft very well may push back the release date to make sure the Desktop paradigm is dead.
Having Firefox with a Metro interface is a *requirement* of going forward. Without it, Firefox is dead on 8.
this discussion was about the government, not dumbasses being dumbasses.
The point, sweetie, is that the Government doesn't need to force people to install cameras. People are already doing it on their own. The dumbasses are the ones building the infrastructure on their own. Instead of Big Brother, it's millions of Little Brothers.
You misunderstand. I'm not saying that the government wants free porn. I'm saying that as soon as the cameras are there, your love life is only a quick hack away from people who do.
Indeed. There are webcams all over the net that people have put in their houses as "more effective" baby monitors and such.
When Win8 starts making its way to people's new PCs, I'm going to be sitting here in KDE laughing. Everyone mocked KDE for 4.0, but who's laughing now? The KDE users, that's who! >:)
Anyone who likes KDE can't be all bad. 4.8 is just awesome.
Ugh. I wish I could remember the pass to my slashdot account now. I usually don't comment but once every few months so I never cared, but I kind of miss it, and I'm too stubborn to give up on it and start over.
You/can/ have Slashdot mail you a new password.
I know this because some jerk tried to reset my password the other day. Slashdot even gives you the IP of the person trying to reset it in the email.
Software defined radio has the government worried and paralyzed. The government is used to individually regulating the frequencies and power levels and signal characteristics of each kind of radio-using device. An AM/FM radio specifically does not pick up police or cell phone frequencies, and things like CBs and walkie-talkies and cellphones and baby monitors all have specific power levels and specific frequencies they can broadcast on, and they only broadcast in specific radio formats. And those limits are hard-baked into the devices by their exact circuitry. Software defined radio throws that entire idea out the window. A software defined radio is going to have some inherent power limit based on the exact hardware, and some minimum and maximum frequency range based on the hardware, but generally it can handle a very broad range from low frequency bands to high frequency bands, and they can send/detect absolutely any radio format over that entire range, and they can do it at full power. There's no way to regulate "don't detect police/cell frequencies", and no way to regulate "don't broadcast FM on what is supposed to be an AM band", and there is no way to regulate different power levels on different bands. Once you sell a software defined radio, the end user can load in any software they want.
Anyone with the technical knowledge can do any of these tasks in hardware, for not a lot of money. There are entire libraries of books and technical articles on how to broadcast/receive on any band, even "forbidden" ones like 800MHz cellular. I remember an article in Popular Communications for a down-converter you could build to listen to 800MHz back in the early 90s that simply screwed into the BNC of your scanner in line with the antenna.
BFD.
>implying it's somehow illegal to listen to bands outside of AM/FM
What the hell are you talking about? Beyond the Cellular legislation, any and all bands are open for reception. It's your right to intercept radio waves on whatever spectrum and you don't need a license to do so. You only need a license to transmit on licensed spectrum.
>cannot regulate power levels and bands
As if they weren't able to regulate for the past 80 years?
Protip: If you are transmitting 1kw, and transmitting in a band you shouldn't be in, it won't be the feds who track you down, it will be the licensed operators who will find you and turn your ass in to the feds and they'll be happy to do so.
The only reason why Joe Trucker doesn't get turned in with his 1kw linear on CB is because he's a moving target. Anyone else sitting in his basement throwing shitty harmonics up and down the bands can be found.
Also, software defined radios are not amplifiers. You are conflating one technology with another.
I took your original question about training and such to be trolling because it was covered in the article even if not a specific number. This goes to TCO.
Microsoft has done a lot of FUD about TCO especially with their "Get The Facts" campaign which revolved around, at best, exaggerated "facts." Their entire assumption is that hopping from a system that is currently being used is too expensive even if the destination is free.
And some of us are hair-trigger sensitive to it after seeing their lies for years on end (and their shills on here) and I went off on you on that last line in my first reply. I shouldn't have.
So anyway, that's my explanation for reading too much into your original message.
With regards to Windows 8, I have run both the Dev preview and Consumer Preview and I find Metro completely unusable on a desktop machine with a keyboard and mouse. And the business of switching between two competing GUI paradigms basically at random (traditional desktop vs metro) to be a nightmare in usability breakage.
Because in the Microsoft world, training for Windows is always assumed to be Zero for any arguments from the Windows boosters. And that people cannot adapt to anything new.
When we all know that's an out-and-out lie on both ends.
Wouldn't be a good thing for software to be able to give instant feedback to students on grammar and sentence structure.
I had this in WordPerfect back in the early 90s.
It was called Grammatik, which WordPerfect corp (or was it Novell or Corel at the time?) bought and integrated. It killed my horrible habit of using passive voice for everything. In the right hands, good automatic grammar checking can be a big help. However, comparing Word's grammar checking to what I used back then, I have to say that Word's grammar check is still horrible.
...and stories like the assistant principal at a Lower Merion PA school district spying through the webcam on student issued laptops (remember that?), I have to say one thing about student-issued laptops:
Laptops are cheap enough. Use your own. Treat the school issued one as toxic. Refuse it.
They are simply too dangerous to even turn on.
And those in authority wonder why they are distrusted.
The net effect of that big brainwashing effort is that some of the more credulous and less informed people now distrust a very smart analyst like Rob Enderle, very smart journalists like Maureen O'Gara and Dan Lyons, or a very smart author like Ed Bott, only because they comment on certain issues with greater sanity than Groklaw.
"Linux violates 283 U.S. software patents," said Florian Mueller, software developer and adviser to the chief executive of Swedish open source firm MySQL,
Such bold words back in 2004. Such brave effort in trying to get Munich to abandon the plan.
It's 8 years later. Where is the "death by a thousand lawyers," Florian?
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You seem to believe that NO-ONE could like Metro,
I have yet to see anyone who does not have a vested interest in Metro like it.
It used to be that I could easily troll (is it really a troll if I honestly believe it's the case?) dozens of people by stating that Metro is going to take over the desktop. Many vibrating with visible anger. These days, not so much, because many people have moved on from anger and denial to acceptance. Because both you and I know that Microsoft can force whatever UI they want and people will eat it up, because when all you've ever had is a shit sandwich, you think all sandwiches contain shit.
>Windows 7
Windows 7 actually doesn't suck. It's what Vista should have been. Its throughput for nontrivial amounts of files /does/ suck, but as a run-of-the-mill OS, it's not 'orrible, guvnuh.
Metro, paired with the traditional desktop, switching in and out seemingly at random depending on what kind of application you're running, is a real 'orrorshow.
And that's what you guys keep glossing over. Having both GUIs on the same machine violates everything both Microsoft and Apple have said about consistency of UI.
The only solution is to get rid of one or the other.
That means that the Desktop needs to go. Microsoft is /not/ backing down from Metro. Even though Metro sucks on the desktop for anyone who has actually tried it.
>implying I'm a joke of the tech world
As if I care. There are actual jokes of the tech world, and they are Ed Bott, Robert Enderle of the Enderle Group (of one), Maureen O'Gargle (was that her ice in her highball I heard clink during a SCO phone call?) etc, ad nauseam. And they are all violently pro-Microsoft. The only journalist that covers Microsoft that has a shred of integrity is Mary Jo Foley. She really does make Ed Bott look like the utter douche he is.
By the way, there's only one person who has ever said this to me on here, and he happens to be my "anonymous stalker"
Hi anonymous stalker. You forgot to logout. Eat a bag of dicks.
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>Implying you have to be in Seattle to be an employee of Microsoft
Do you honestly think I fell off the kielbasa wagon yesterday?
>implying that Groklaw is bad
>implying that Groklaw was ever wrong about any of this.
Groklaw had shown a light upon the idiocy that was SCO vs World+Dog, and the only people, to date, who are anti-Groklaw are people like Florian Meuller who says shit like this:
When confronted about who pays Florian's bills, he dodged and weaved said it was off topic on LWN.
>Trying to use Groklaw as an insult
Sorry, you're going to have to try harder.
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You make it sound as if they removed the desktop apps. You can still use all the deskop apps and use the start screen instead of the start menu.
Metro is not merely the start screen. Metro is an entirely different paradigm for using a computer. For you to say that it's merely the replacement for the start button is to be intellectually dishonest, and frankly, misrepresenting what your employer has created.
The removal of the Registry key that toggles Metro is evidence of where Microsoft is headed with Metro. If they truly wanted to leave it up to the user whether to use Metro or not, they could have left the registry key there. It's not like it was doing any harm. You could set the flag on the registry key and, as a desktop user, be totally content in a blissful state of pure desktop.
But no, they had to remove it. Why? To force Metro. There really is no other explanation. If you have one that makes an iota of sense, I'd like to hear it.
>Paul Therroutt
He is indeed correct on that last paragraph. Microsoft is doubling down on Metro, and if you fail to see that then you are blind.
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Just how much ZaRex do you have to drink (it wasn't Kool Aid they drank in Jonestown) to believe that dueling GUIs on the same computer is not a colossally stupid idea?
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WTF is a "paided" poster? At least get your grammar right.
I put it in quotes because it is internet slang for shill.
Metro is good for things like browsers and casual consumer apps and is perfect for something like a portable tablet., but is unsuitable for many productivity apps like Photoshop, AutoCad, Office or Visual Studio, thus the Desktop lives on.
Then why did Microsoft remove the ability to turn off Metro? You know, for people who sit at a desk and do work.
Explain. Give examples.
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Furthermore, I have a question.
I doubt you will answer it seeing as you are a "paided" poster.
Why does Metro make you guys so defensive? Isn't it supposed to be superior to the Desktop? Isn't it the latest and greatest from Microsoft? Wouldn't you /rather/ have such a superior interface take over as the premier interface of all operating systems ever?
As a Windows booster, you must think that Metro is the cat's balls.
Well....
Isn't it?
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Then be resigned to stupid UI decisions that make your less computer-savvy friends always ask you the same dumb questions to which you'll have to always ask "is this in metro or is this on the desktop" and they'll say "huh?" Microsoft has always made big claims about consistency of UI, and if they leave the desktop paradigm in with Metro, they'll be making their own biggest cardinal sin.
The desktop paradigm is dead. Microsoft smote the ground and declared it thus with Metro.
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You seem to think that the Desktop paradigm will survive the RTM.
It won't.
There are two competing GUI paradigms on the same OS, which seemingly swap in and out on a random basis. This is UI nightmare territory. Removing the Desktop paradigm is better than having both. You know it's true. Microsoft has even removed the Registry entry that allows you to turn off Metro in Consumer Preview.
Metro is "not finished" because it hasn't taken over the entire OS. There is still time for it to do so, and Microsoft very well may push back the release date to make sure the Desktop paradigm is dead.
Having Firefox with a Metro interface is a *requirement* of going forward. Without it, Firefox is dead on 8.
Have fun with Metro, Windows guys.
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this discussion was about the government, not dumbasses being dumbasses.
The point, sweetie, is that the Government doesn't need to force people to install cameras. People are already doing it on their own. The dumbasses are the ones building the infrastructure on their own. Instead of Big Brother, it's millions of Little Brothers.
And all it needs is someone to act as Mom.
It's called a turnkey police state.
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You misunderstand. I'm not saying that the government wants free porn. I'm saying that as soon as the cameras are there, your love life is only a quick hack away from people who do.
Indeed. There are webcams all over the net that people have put in their houses as "more effective" baby monitors and such.
And they are wide open to the internet.
Are you bored?
http://pastebin.com/fDkTWZGX
Trendnet cameras. Wide open to the world. And so is your life.
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When Win8 starts making its way to people's new PCs, I'm going to be sitting here in KDE laughing. Everyone mocked KDE for 4.0, but who's laughing now? The KDE users, that's who! >:)
Anyone who likes KDE can't be all bad. 4.8 is just awesome.
Ugh. I wish I could remember the pass to my slashdot account now. I usually don't comment but once every few months so I never cared, but I kind of miss it, and I'm too stubborn to give up on it and start over.
You /can/ have Slashdot mail you a new password.
I know this because some jerk tried to reset my password the other day. Slashdot even gives you the IP of the person trying to reset it in the email.
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Anyone with the technical knowledge can do any of these tasks in hardware, for not a lot of money. There are entire libraries of books and technical articles on how to broadcast/receive on any band, even "forbidden" ones like 800MHz cellular. I remember an article in Popular Communications for a down-converter you could build to listen to 800MHz back in the early 90s that simply screwed into the BNC of your scanner in line with the antenna.
BFD.
>implying it's somehow illegal to listen to bands outside of AM/FM
What the hell are you talking about? Beyond the Cellular legislation, any and all bands are open for reception. It's your right to intercept radio waves on whatever spectrum and you don't need a license to do so. You only need a license to transmit on licensed spectrum.
>cannot regulate power levels and bands
As if they weren't able to regulate for the past 80 years?
Protip: If you are transmitting 1kw, and transmitting in a band you shouldn't be in, it won't be the feds who track you down, it will be the licensed operators who will find you and turn your ass in to the feds and they'll be happy to do so.
The only reason why Joe Trucker doesn't get turned in with his 1kw linear on CB is because he's a moving target. Anyone else sitting in his basement throwing shitty harmonics up and down the bands can be found.
Also, software defined radios are not amplifiers. You are conflating one technology with another.
The amount of wrong in your post is staggering.
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Well, sorry for being so insulting...
I took your original question about training and such to be trolling because it was covered in the article even if not a specific number. This goes to TCO.
Microsoft has done a lot of FUD about TCO especially with their "Get The Facts" campaign which revolved around, at best, exaggerated "facts." Their entire assumption is that hopping from a system that is currently being used is too expensive even if the destination is free.
And some of us are hair-trigger sensitive to it after seeing their lies for years on end (and their shills on here) and I went off on you on that last line in my first reply. I shouldn't have.
So anyway, that's my explanation for reading too much into your original message.
With regards to Windows 8, I have run both the Dev preview and Consumer Preview and I find Metro completely unusable on a desktop machine with a keyboard and mouse. And the business of switching between two competing GUI paradigms basically at random (traditional desktop vs metro) to be a nightmare in usability breakage.
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Because in the Microsoft world, training for Windows is always assumed to be Zero for any arguments from the Windows boosters. And that people cannot adapt to anything new.
When we all know that's an out-and-out lie on both ends.
That's why you got modded lamebait.
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Wouldn't be a good thing for software to be able to give instant feedback to students on grammar and sentence structure.
I had this in WordPerfect back in the early 90s.
It was called Grammatik, which WordPerfect corp (or was it Novell or Corel at the time?) bought and integrated. It killed my horrible habit of using passive voice for everything. In the right hands, good automatic grammar checking can be a big help. However, comparing Word's grammar checking to what I used back then, I have to say that Word's grammar check is still horrible.
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It seems to me that the way English classes are normally taught, they have nothing to do with English at all.
You have found the hidden meaning behind English classes.
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How long does it take to get a flavor of *nix running 100% on a notebook?
Half an hour. Even with a beta of Ubuntu 12.04.
And nobody ever installs Windows, themselves, either, on a notebook. So don't even go there.
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Commenting on the SIM card dispute between Apple and Nokia.
If he sees a wife and husband fighting, does he also insert himself into the middle of that? Maybe he should try becoming a marriage counselor too.
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Then leave the school issued laptop at school. That's what lockers are for. Use it only for classes and that's it.
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...and stories like the assistant principal at a Lower Merion PA school district spying through the webcam on student issued laptops (remember that?), I have to say one thing about student-issued laptops:
Laptops are cheap enough. Use your own. Treat the school issued one as toxic. Refuse it.
They are simply too dangerous to even turn on.
And those in authority wonder why they are distrusted.
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He's right though, and it's not splitting hairs.
When you buy Server 2008, you buy a license and 5 CALs (minimum). For a grand. That's it. That's all you get.
Support is completely separate with Microsoft, and have your credit card ready because it ain't cheap.
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Also:
With regards to Groklaw:
- Florian Mueller
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On LWN he was confronted one day by someone asking where he gets his funding.
He said it was off topic and totally dodged the issue, neither confirming nor denying any conflict of interest.
That said more than anything.
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Where is Florian Mueller?
Oh Florian, do you remember this?
"Linux violates 283 U.S. software patents," said Florian Mueller, software developer and adviser to the chief executive of Swedish open source firm MySQL,
Such bold words back in 2004. Such brave effort in trying to get Munich to abandon the plan.
It's 8 years later. Where is the "death by a thousand lawyers," Florian?
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Does that include cost of training and transition?
Have you seen Windows 8?
The jump to Linux from 7 is shorter.
Keep beating that dead TCO horse. We know you're lying.
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