>If you saw people breaking into a home wouldn't you report it? Or would the stigma of "confidential informant" be to much?
It's not like calling in a break-in of someone's house. I've done that myself. Called it in while I was watching across the street, and identified the bad guys while talking on 911 and later as I sat in the police car and the cop shined a light on them (they were caught).
Cops know how to deal with that. Clear cut, simple.
But to call in a computer security problem? To people who don't know anything about computers? Nope. Not a chance. Ain't getting involved unless I can be guaranteed to talk to someone who knows what he's doing and isn't out to screw everyone in the hopes of making a name for himself. Same goes for reporting a security hole to a system administrator unless I can do it anonymously. Too much ass covering and trying to make the messenger look like the bad guy. We've seen it here more than once.
I would report anonymously to the head of IT before I ever get the FBI involved, and if i can't do either, I'm staying schtum.
There are too many problems with reporting computer crimes.
Counterfeiting is an attack on the state. Why do you think Newton had counterfeiters executed?
You can make your own "currency" - there is no law against it. Casinos do it all the time. There used to be company script that you could only spend at the company store (song "16 Tons" for reference).
Just don't make it look like it can be mistaken for official currency in an "idiot in a hurry" kind of way. You'll bring the full wrath of the state upon your head.
Also
>Accusing the Fed of "counterfeiting" fiat currency
> (a used device) on the understanding that it was a brand-new device
>China
This is news? In China? Really?
For anyone who's ever been to one, you know that there are good dealers and bad dealers. You need to know which is which. You can get a steal (haha) or you can be shafted. Being shafted doesn't happen often, but it does. You can't just walk in knowing nothing. Caveat emptor.
That said, computer fairs are good for people looking for specialized used equipment without having to go to an auction and buy an entire pallet of stuff and have 20 percent of it usable (and then you have to dispose of the rest yourself).
I'm also willing to bet that the guy completely misunderstood what the seller said.
> But was anyone animated BBS logos using ansi.sys?
If you never saw an animated BBS logo/login screen then you really didn't use BBSes, did you? That was one of the main points of ansi.sys - to provide animation. Come on, seriously, if you deny this, I can probably dig through Facebook and find an old WWIV/Telegard/Renegade BBS operator to tell you you're full of it.
WWIVnet was full of ansi animation.
>And does the user get the MOTD in response to clicking on an animated BBS logo,
How is "clicking on the logo" any great leap from the motd after sign-on?
>nor have you explained why a person of ordinary skill in the art would combine them to get the claimed invention.
1. have an image - animated or not 2. have the image display a message when clicked
It's as if hyperlinks on images never happened before 2001 and Google's filing. I'm not going to go 'round digging up prior art. You can find it yourself on the wayback machine with nearly every web page published before 2001 and after the advent of Mosaic.
Words have meanings, but when Young Earth Creationists go 'round calling themselves creationists as loudly as possible, don't be surprised when the definition changes over time from a broad one to a narrow one.
"Gay" used to mean happy. Now in nearly every context, it means homosexual.
When you ignore vernacular use of words in an argument, people tend to laugh and deride you for "arguing semantics" because you're not arguing the point anymore, you're just being an asshole.
1. What is a picture but an arrangement of colors? 2. It matters not what creates the image. Paint, photographs, ASCII 3. With ansi.sys, we had color and special shapes. The C64 people had their own set of color graphics. 4. With ansi.sys we had animation. 5. Insert old DEC heads saying "we had animation too" 6 Customized document? You mean the motd?
Now before you get into "hurr durr, but it was ascii" there was other graphics. Prodigy used NAPLPS graphics, and there were various BBSes that used NAPLPS. They were few and far between, but they existed.
I remember the 80s too, and if you think the 80s weren't prior art, you're being disingenuous.
>But what about people on Wall Street? Were not they, too, like farmers
The difference between Wall Street and the farmer next door, is that the farmer creates wealth. The Wall Street trader does not create wealth. At all. Ever.
The argument fails on its first premise. Argument is invalid.
There is no DirectX on Linux and just look at how laughtable the situation is. Yeah theres nethack and some clone of Civilization 2 with worse graphics, but it's far from both console games and PC games that gamers play. It's a joke
Oh yeah, and there is more than one kind of teacher. I used it in the general sense. College professors are also teachers. However, you want to split hairs and define along your own narrow personal definitions and insert not only facts not in evidence, but to portray my own words in a false light.
You are hair splitting and defining Creationism and ID when it's been clearly found to be the same thing, promoted by the same people.
You are using your own personal definition. You are ignoring history. You are ignoring court cases. Yo are ignoring the plain evidence in front of your eyes.
You didn't even read TFA where it explicitly says that ID is being defended in the bill.
Dammit, I should have edited that. Ignore the "minute or so a month" because it's more accurate than that. I wrote that before finding the All About Circuits page.
Electric wall clocks that you plug in use the AC line for accuracy.
The 60Hz out of the wall socket is very accurate. Accurate to within a minute or so a month. They use something called a synchronous motor. It's only in the past 40 years that quartz crystal controlled clocks were even mass marketed.
"Single phase synchronous motors are available in small sizes for applications requiring precise timing such as time keeping, (clocks) and tape players. Though battery powered quartz regulated clocks are widely available, the AC line operated variety has better long term accuracy-- over a period of months. This is due to power plant operators purposely maintaining the long term accuracy of the frequency of the AC distribution system. If it falls behind by a few cycles, they will make up the lost cycles of AC so that clocks lose no time."
>Creationism -- the belief that the natural universe was initially created by a supernatural deity -- is a philosophical and religious view distinct from the shaky "theory" of intelligent design.
No, it's not. It's the same thing. ID is Creationism under a different name. Start reading here:
But whatever. Creationists cannot be reasoned with.
>This bill does not promote the teaching of intelligent design
Bullshit. The bill specifically called out ID as "protected."
If you are a biology teacher, and you are teaching ID, you should be sacked. Not because of your religious views, but because you are not teaching science. ID is not science. Creationism is not science. They are both the same thing. Teaching ID in a science classroom is not doing your job, because it is not science.
And this bill prohibits the disciplining of science teachers for not doing their jobs.
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>If you saw people breaking into a home wouldn't you report it? Or would the stigma of "confidential informant" be to much?
It's not like calling in a break-in of someone's house. I've done that myself. Called it in while I was watching across the street, and identified the bad guys while talking on 911 and later as I sat in the police car and the cop shined a light on them (they were caught).
Cops know how to deal with that. Clear cut, simple.
But to call in a computer security problem? To people who don't know anything about computers? Nope. Not a chance. Ain't getting involved unless I can be guaranteed to talk to someone who knows what he's doing and isn't out to screw everyone in the hopes of making a name for himself. Same goes for reporting a security hole to a system administrator unless I can do it anonymously. Too much ass covering and trying to make the messenger look like the bad guy. We've seen it here more than once.
I would report anonymously to the head of IT before I ever get the FBI involved, and if i can't do either, I'm staying schtum.
There are too many problems with reporting computer crimes.
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The standard is "moron in a hurry" similar to trademark confusion.
If you don't understand this, then I don't know what else to say.
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Just like with any other business.
Ask around.
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Counterfeiting is an attack on the state. Why do you think Newton had counterfeiters executed?
You can make your own "currency" - there is no law against it. Casinos do it all the time. There used to be company script that you could only spend at the company store (song "16 Tons" for reference).
Just don't make it look like it can be mistaken for official currency in an "idiot in a hurry" kind of way. You'll bring the full wrath of the state upon your head.
Also
>Accusing the Fed of "counterfeiting" fiat currency
Oh, you're one of /those/. Okay.
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Are you proposing a trojan that silently installs FF in the background? Yeah, that's going to work out really well for the reputation of FF.
Stupid idea is stupid.
Crikes.
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... Film at eleven.
FTFA:
> (a used device) on the understanding that it was a brand-new device
>China
This is news? In China? Really?
For anyone who's ever been to one, you know that there are good dealers and bad dealers. You need to know which is which. You can get a steal (haha) or you can be shafted. Being shafted doesn't happen often, but it does. You can't just walk in knowing nothing. Caveat emptor.
That said, computer fairs are good for people looking for specialized used equipment without having to go to an auction and buy an entire pallet of stuff and have 20 percent of it usable (and then you have to dispose of the rest yourself).
I'm also willing to bet that the guy completely misunderstood what the seller said.
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You mean the FBI agents and the 40 year old lonely men caught by them.
Rule 29: On the Internet, all girls are men and all kids are FBI agents
Rule 30: There are no girls on the internet.
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> But was anyone animated BBS logos using ansi.sys?
If you never saw an animated BBS logo/login screen then you really didn't use BBSes, did you? That was one of the main points of ansi.sys - to provide animation. Come on, seriously, if you deny this, I can probably dig through Facebook and find an old WWIV/Telegard/Renegade BBS operator to tell you you're full of it.
WWIVnet was full of ansi animation.
>And does the user get the MOTD in response to clicking on an animated BBS logo,
How is "clicking on the logo" any great leap from the motd after sign-on?
>nor have you explained why a person of ordinary skill in the art would combine them to get the claimed invention.
1. have an image - animated or not
2. have the image display a message when clicked
It's as if hyperlinks on images never happened before 2001 and Google's filing. I'm not going to go 'round digging up prior art. You can find it yourself on the wayback machine with nearly every web page published before 2001 and after the advent of Mosaic.
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Words have meanings, but when Young Earth Creationists go 'round calling themselves creationists as loudly as possible, don't be surprised when the definition changes over time from a broad one to a narrow one.
"Gay" used to mean happy. Now in nearly every context, it means homosexual.
When you ignore vernacular use of words in an argument, people tend to laugh and deride you for "arguing semantics" because you're not arguing the point anymore, you're just being an asshole.
Ignore vernacular at your peril.
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1. What is a picture but an arrangement of colors?
2. It matters not what creates the image. Paint, photographs, ASCII
3. With ansi.sys, we had color and special shapes. The C64 people had their own set of color graphics.
4. With ansi.sys we had animation.
5. Insert old DEC heads saying "we had animation too"
6 Customized document? You mean the motd?
Now before you get into "hurr durr, but it was ascii" there was other graphics. Prodigy used NAPLPS graphics, and there were various BBSes that used NAPLPS. They were few and far between, but they existed.
I remember the 80s too, and if you think the 80s weren't prior art, you're being disingenuous.
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Maureen O'Gara, is that you?
Or maybe "Kenneth Saborio?"
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>The only answer is to kill off everyone but me and the 50 hottest models on the planet.
You want 50 wives?
Are you insane?
Obviously, you have never been married.
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They must love you at the casino.
Doubling down, eh?
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Liquidity and trades are not wealth. And Wall Street does not create markets. The markets are already there, whether the traders exist or not.
It's moving wealth around.
And skimming off the top, honestly (or dishonestly).
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>But what about people on Wall Street? Were not they, too, like farmers
The difference between Wall Street and the farmer next door, is that the farmer creates wealth. The Wall Street trader does not create wealth. At all. Ever.
The argument fails on its first premise. Argument is invalid.
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Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
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Funny, Steam games run just fine.
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Oh yeah, and there is more than one kind of teacher. I used it in the general sense. College professors are also teachers. However, you want to split hairs and define along your own narrow personal definitions and insert not only facts not in evidence, but to portray my own words in a false light.
You are a fucktard.
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You are hair splitting and defining Creationism and ID when it's been clearly found to be the same thing, promoted by the same people.
You are using your own personal definition. You are ignoring history. You are ignoring court cases. Yo are ignoring the plain evidence in front of your eyes.
You didn't even read TFA where it explicitly says that ID is being defended in the bill.
You cannot be reasoned with.
Good day, sir.
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Dammit, I should have edited that. Ignore the "minute or so a month" because it's more accurate than that. I wrote that before finding the All About Circuits page.
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Nope.
Electric wall clocks that you plug in use the AC line for accuracy.
The 60Hz out of the wall socket is very accurate. Accurate to within a minute or so a month. They use something called a synchronous motor. It's only in the past 40 years that quartz crystal controlled clocks were even mass marketed.
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_13/2.html
Even plug-in alarm clocks don't use a crystal oscillator - they simply count pulses from the AC line.
When Southern California Edison went from 50 to 60Hz in 1948, people had to throw out their old electric wall clocks and get new ones.
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>Creationism -- the belief that the natural universe was initially created by a supernatural deity -- is a philosophical and religious view distinct from the shaky "theory" of intelligent design.
No, it's not. It's the same thing. ID is Creationism under a different name. Start reading here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District
And watch the Nova episode "Intelligent Design On Trial"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-404729062613200911#
But whatever. Creationists cannot be reasoned with.
>This bill does not promote the teaching of intelligent design
Bullshit. The bill specifically called out ID as "protected."
If you are a biology teacher, and you are teaching ID, you should be sacked. Not because of your religious views, but because you are not teaching science. ID is not science. Creationism is not science. They are both the same thing. Teaching ID in a science classroom is not doing your job, because it is not science.
And this bill prohibits the disciplining of science teachers for not doing their jobs.
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Q: Why do they put chlorine in the pool?
A: Because Mark Spitz
Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all evening. Please, try the veal and tip your waitress.
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No, that's not what I understand or has been explained to me, that it actually sends the .gif. Not ascii, not unicode, the actual picture.
There are unicode emoticons. Be afraid.
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Ignore this. Apparently MSN proves me wrong.
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