I love how every time a story like this comes out somebody immediately, unprovoked, starts bashing Creationists. Is it because of insecurity or do you think it's cool?
It's been 150 years since the Origin of Species. The main thrust behind that book only gathers more evidence. 150 years later, the Origin of Species still stands as a testament to science and rational thought, much like Newton's Principia.
The mentally ill simply cannot help themselves. It's not their fault that they aren't as intelligent as the average person. This is why it's in bad taste to "make fun of retards."
But the average person has no excuse. If a person is of average intelligence and is a Creationist, that person *deserves* to be derided for buying into something that is a *parable* or an *allegory* and construe it as concrete fact when there are mountains of evidence that the two creation stories in the Bible are not to be taken literally.
Because that person should know better.
If you do not fight back against the ones who would drag us back into the dark ages, you deserve what happens to you and your children. Because they won't stop at banning Evolution.
The installation of a virus scanner does nothing to stop new malware. Such beasties are only as good as their databases, which always lag behind the current malware. And having it installed doesn't mean it's kept up to date or it's actually used. How many "trial" versions of NAV have I seen over the years that are massively out of date? Hundreds.
What I also want to know is what kind of anti-virus software is there for Solaris machines? If you run a real operating system, do you have to take it off the 'net now because you can't even buy "antivirus software"?
Australia is really beginning to become an IT shithole, judging by the news. But I don't think raging neckbeards in the street is going to intimidate the stupid politicians.
"il bite, explain how some completely healthy people die"
Because "shit happens"
God doesn't yank people from this planet one-by-one. It's clear that the process of death is completely random sometimes. It's like with a car. You can take care of it, change the oil, do all the things required for you to bring it to 200K miles, but it throws a piston rod because of metal fatigue at 50K. Something was lurking there under the surface that you couldn't possibly have known about unless you built the car atom by atom, and then even it's a law of averages.
Say you've got a vehicle that relies on 6 parts, and each of those parts has a MTBF of 60,000 hours. Divide by six. That's the MTBF of the whole assembly. This is what you take into account when you build a raid cluster. If you use 2 drives, the likelihood of a failure is half the value of the MTBF of each drive. If it's 4 drives, divide by 4. This is why you have parity drives so you can rebuild the cluster.
People are the same way. They are an assembly of parts, and a major failure depends on the MTBF of all the critical parts - the brain, liver, bone marrow, etc, and if the part is critical enough, you're done.
Believe what you want, but the human body is not perfect. It's the result of MomNature's engineering over 4.5 billion years, and it shows. Why put a recreation area next to a sewer outlet?
So there you go, death from an IT/engineering perspective.
A creationist stands on his hind legs and says thusly:
look at the evidence honestly.
I've debated with Young Earth Creationists such as yourself.
Newtonian physics doesn't mention God. Relativistic physics doesn't invoke God. Maxwell's equations don't involve God. Astronomy doesn't involve God. Electronics theory doesn't involve God. None of the sciences involve God. The biological sciences don't invoke God. Medicine doesn't invoke God. But Creationists such as yourself have no problem benefiting from the results of such science and the technology it helps create.
It's more productive talking to a toothbrush. I'm tired of people such as yourself trying to drag us all back to the 12'th century with regards to knowledge. I've heard it for most of my 44 years on this planet.
No. You're willfully stupid. Go away. And stop using all that Godless science and technology you rely on every day to get through modern life.
This idea that american GOPers are somehow the only politicians and businessmen in the world that launch aggressive campaigns to take control of natural resources is absurd.
Funny, the cordless telephone provisions are... uhmm... interesting. Does that mean that cordless phones enjoy the same protections as cellphones? What?
Going to Briebart and Prisonplanet is like doing research on immigration by going to the BNP or Stormfront.
But hey, the guy who referred me to Prisonplanet isn't interested in unbiased reporting. He's all about confirmation bias, which Cass Sunnstein talked about.
Go read the other message in the thread that demonstrated this.
Seriously, this is why you stay the fuck away from prisonplanet, because it's conspiracy lunacy, with shit taken out of context and presented in a manner designed to frighten you. Because fear sells.
>I agree that the monopolized telecom businesses needs to be separated to free up space for new businesses.
I'm with you there.
>But I do not think the government is a good initiator for this.
Then who do you suppose is going to do it? The tooth fairy? Santa Claus? The Easter Bunny?
Also, you write as if you didn't live through the breakup of AT&T. Did you know you could *finally* plug your own telecom equipment into the wall? That you could set up your own PBX? That you could actually dial up a computer system without an acoustic coupler? That you could *actually* get long distance phone service from someone that wouldn't rake you over the coals (aka Sprint, MCI, etc)?
You honestly don't remember what it was like previously, when you could only rent equipment and it was only Bell's stuff, nobody else's.
The breakup of AT&T was a godsend to the telecommunications business and the information economy. The only problem is that the time limit barring AT&T and the baby-bells from re-merging was far too short. It should have been made permanent.
The government did a good job breaking up Ma Bell.
>Perhaps it's naive of me, but I see a huge difference there.
There is. And you're not naive.
There are a lot of things people say that get shot down because it's impractical or it's wrong. Sunnskind addressed the echo-chamber problem of the Web. The echo-chamber and confirmation bias are rampant across the world wibbley web in his previous book. It's probably best to leave it alone, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be talked about. It doesn't mean that because you brainstorm about something that suddenly you have aspirations to become Big Brother Incarnate.
But to get one's information from Prisonplanet, like he did with regards to this, well, that's just silly.
"Weren't the mom-and-pops thriving under the original rules, back when broadband was classified as a telecom service and hence subject to regulation?"
No, the mom-and-pops were never classified as telecom carriers. They sure as hell weren't classified common carriers. They fell under the information provider rules.
I'm guessing you're talking about the deregulation of the pricing rules for the "fat pipe" telecoms that the mom-and-pops bought bandwidth from where previously the telecoms couldn't price them out of existence. At that time, the large telecoms weren't dealing directly with the end users - that was up to the individual ISPs, however they wanted to divide up the bandwidth they bought.
Those pricing rules went away (deregulation) as the fat-pipe providers decided to serve the end user (how convenient), and could then charge the ISPs a rate that would make the telecom's choices cheaper for the end users. But the end-user service regulations were always the same (information provider rather than telecom). Since it's the telecoms now directly servicing the end user, it only makes sense to bring telecom rules into the game.
With the FCC being smacked down with regards to "lol you can't regulate us" the first step has been done to regulate the industry, not because of some wild-eyed's bureaucrat's fantasy, but because it needs to be done.
The days of the mom-and-pop ISP are over and done with. The lack of regulation let these thrive, but the large telecoms and cable companies have gobbled up every single one of these since the dot-bomb. They are gone, never to be seen again.
Now everyone is left with either a local monopoly or at best a duopoly of broadband providers, who are increasingly out to screw the customer, like Comcast has been shown to do. Comcast wanted to play hardball. Well, here it is, guys, the big-time. Don't say we didn't warn you.
Slashdot Mirror
This is merely a subscription business model.
It's much like what Microsoft has been pushing through their software licensing extortion^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H contracts.
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BMO
I love how every time a story like this comes out somebody immediately, unprovoked, starts bashing Creationists. Is it because of insecurity or do you think it's cool?
It's been 150 years since the Origin of Species. The main thrust behind that book only gathers more evidence. 150 years later, the Origin of Species still stands as a testament to science and rational thought, much like Newton's Principia.
The mentally ill simply cannot help themselves. It's not their fault that they aren't as intelligent as the average person. This is why it's in bad taste to "make fun of retards."
But the average person has no excuse. If a person is of average intelligence and is a Creationist, that person *deserves* to be derided for buying into something that is a *parable* or an *allegory* and construe it as concrete fact when there are mountains of evidence that the two creation stories in the Bible are not to be taken literally.
Because that person should know better.
If you do not fight back against the ones who would drag us back into the dark ages, you deserve what happens to you and your children. Because they won't stop at banning Evolution.
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BMO
The installation of a virus scanner does nothing to stop new malware. Such beasties are only as good as their databases, which always lag behind the current malware. And having it installed doesn't mean it's kept up to date or it's actually used. How many "trial" versions of NAV have I seen over the years that are massively out of date? Hundreds.
What I also want to know is what kind of anti-virus software is there for Solaris machines? If you run a real operating system, do you have to take it off the 'net now because you can't even buy "antivirus software"?
Australia is really beginning to become an IT shithole, judging by the news. But I don't think raging neckbeards in the street is going to intimidate the stupid politicians.
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BMO
Whether a Jugaloo, Jugalette or a Creationist, the attitude is precisely the same. Don't bother learning about the science, it's just all "miracles."
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BMO
Some are jugaloos...
Some are jugalettes...
Some are creationists.
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BMO
Actually, "Godless science" is mildly inaccurate.
No, it's not.
YOU are inaccurate, Mr Anonymous.
You mention the Islamic Golden Age.
That has as much in common with modern science as phlogiston does.
There is no phlogiston in fire, and there is no God in physics.
It's obvious that you wrote anonymously because you can't be bothered to stand up for your views.
You dumb shit.
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"il bite, explain how some completely healthy people die"
Because "shit happens"
God doesn't yank people from this planet one-by-one. It's clear that the process of death is completely random sometimes. It's like with a car. You can take care of it, change the oil, do all the things required for you to bring it to 200K miles, but it throws a piston rod because of metal fatigue at 50K. Something was lurking there under the surface that you couldn't possibly have known about unless you built the car atom by atom, and then even it's a law of averages.
Say you've got a vehicle that relies on 6 parts, and each of those parts has a MTBF of 60,000 hours. Divide by six. That's the MTBF of the whole assembly. This is what you take into account when you build a raid cluster. If you use 2 drives, the likelihood of a failure is half the value of the MTBF of each drive. If it's 4 drives, divide by 4. This is why you have parity drives so you can rebuild the cluster.
People are the same way. They are an assembly of parts, and a major failure depends on the MTBF of all the critical parts - the brain, liver, bone marrow, etc, and if the part is critical enough, you're done.
Believe what you want, but the human body is not perfect. It's the result of MomNature's engineering over 4.5 billion years, and it shows. Why put a recreation area next to a sewer outlet?
So there you go, death from an IT/engineering perspective.
I hope this helps, really.
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BMO
A creationist stands on his hind legs and says thusly:
look at the evidence honestly.
I've debated with Young Earth Creationists such as yourself.
Newtonian physics doesn't mention God. Relativistic physics doesn't invoke God. Maxwell's equations don't involve God. Astronomy doesn't involve God. Electronics theory doesn't involve God. None of the sciences involve God. The biological sciences don't invoke God. Medicine doesn't invoke God. But Creationists such as yourself have no problem benefiting from the results of such science and the technology it helps create.
It's more productive talking to a toothbrush. I'm tired of people such as yourself trying to drag us all back to the 12'th century with regards to knowledge. I've heard it for most of my 44 years on this planet.
No. You're willfully stupid. Go away. And stop using all that Godless science and technology you rely on every day to get through modern life.
Hypocrite.
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BMO
This idea that american GOPers are somehow the only politicians and businessmen in the world that launch aggressive campaigns to take control of natural resources is absurd.
No, but they're pretty good at doing it.
Why are we in Iraq again?
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BMO
Mod parent up Informative.
http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/18usc2511.htm
By the way, that page benefits *enormously* from Readability.
http://lab.arc90.com/experiments/readability/
Funny, the cordless telephone provisions are... uhmm... interesting. Does that mean that cordless phones enjoy the same protections as cellphones? What?
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BMO
I was wrong, not part 12, Part 15.
FCC Part 15 rules for consumer, unlicensed radio devices.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_47_CFR_Part_15
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BMO
So, um, you're going to go after the drivers and not Google itself?
Coward.
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BMO
On further thought:
The only thing I can see that might make it legal is that all wireless routers are Part 12 devices.
But then you're pitting one federal law against the other. Who wins?
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BMO
It doesn't matter.
The ECPA does not distinguish between wired and wireless communications.
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BMO
Intercepting email as it's on the fly between server and recipient?
That's an ECPA violation there, Google. And it's a felony.
If you're a sysadmin get yourself a copy of Lance Rose's "Netlaw" if you're interested at all in the ECPA and it's implications.
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BMO
I mistyped the name Sunnskind as Sunnstein.
Oops.
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BMO
Here, I'll help you out.
I'll point to someone who decided to investigate it further.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1689978&cid=32608594
Oh look, it's a deliberate misrepresentation.
Going to Briebart and Prisonplanet is like doing research on immigration by going to the BNP or Stormfront.
But hey, the guy who referred me to Prisonplanet isn't interested in unbiased reporting. He's all about confirmation bias, which Cass Sunnstein talked about.
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BMO
That's because he's lying.
It's not recent.
It's from 2001. 9 bloody years ago.
Go read the other message in the thread that demonstrated this.
Seriously, this is why you stay the fuck away from prisonplanet, because it's conspiracy lunacy, with shit taken out of context and presented in a manner designed to frighten you. Because fear sells.
Jesus Christ.
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BMO
>I agree that the monopolized telecom businesses needs to be separated to free up space for new businesses.
I'm with you there.
>But I do not think the government is a good initiator for this.
Then who do you suppose is going to do it? The tooth fairy? Santa Claus? The Easter Bunny?
Also, you write as if you didn't live through the breakup of AT&T. Did you know you could *finally* plug your own telecom equipment into the wall? That you could set up your own PBX? That you could actually dial up a computer system without an acoustic coupler? That you could *actually* get long distance phone service from someone that wouldn't rake you over the coals (aka Sprint, MCI, etc)?
You honestly don't remember what it was like previously, when you could only rent equipment and it was only Bell's stuff, nobody else's.
The breakup of AT&T was a godsend to the telecommunications business and the information economy. The only problem is that the time limit barring AT&T and the baby-bells from re-merging was far too short. It should have been made permanent.
The government did a good job breaking up Ma Bell.
Monopolies are not free markets.
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BMO
>Perhaps it's naive of me, but I see a huge difference there.
There is. And you're not naive.
There are a lot of things people say that get shot down because it's impractical or it's wrong. Sunnskind addressed the echo-chamber problem of the Web. The echo-chamber and confirmation bias are rampant across the world wibbley web in his previous book. It's probably best to leave it alone, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be talked about. It doesn't mean that because you brainstorm about something that suddenly you have aspirations to become Big Brother Incarnate.
But to get one's information from Prisonplanet, like he did with regards to this, well, that's just silly.
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BMO
>prisonplanet link
Right.
Fine.
Thank you for reminding me why I had you bit-bucketed.
Away with you. Loonie.
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BMO
So basically you're for bringing back line sharing.
That's the way it used to be.
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BMO
You got something substantive that isn't from Free Republic?
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BMO
"Weren't the mom-and-pops thriving under the original rules, back when broadband was classified as a telecom service and hence subject to regulation?"
No, the mom-and-pops were never classified as telecom carriers. They sure as hell weren't classified common carriers. They fell under the information provider rules.
I'm guessing you're talking about the deregulation of the pricing rules for the "fat pipe" telecoms that the mom-and-pops bought bandwidth from where previously the telecoms couldn't price them out of existence. At that time, the large telecoms weren't dealing directly with the end users - that was up to the individual ISPs, however they wanted to divide up the bandwidth they bought.
Those pricing rules went away (deregulation) as the fat-pipe providers decided to serve the end user (how convenient), and could then charge the ISPs a rate that would make the telecom's choices cheaper for the end users. But the end-user service regulations were always the same (information provider rather than telecom). Since it's the telecoms now directly servicing the end user, it only makes sense to bring telecom rules into the game.
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BMO
With the FCC being smacked down with regards to "lol you can't regulate us" the first step has been done to regulate the industry, not because of some wild-eyed's bureaucrat's fantasy, but because it needs to be done.
The days of the mom-and-pop ISP are over and done with. The lack of regulation let these thrive, but the large telecoms and cable companies have gobbled up every single one of these since the dot-bomb. They are gone, never to be seen again.
Now everyone is left with either a local monopoly or at best a duopoly of broadband providers, who are increasingly out to screw the customer, like Comcast has been shown to do. Comcast wanted to play hardball. Well, here it is, guys, the big-time. Don't say we didn't warn you.
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BMO