Apple has a bunch of BSD code they've modified and never given out. I did not claim that they never do, but they tend not to.
Apple is under no obligation to contribute back. This behaviour was apparent when they tried to deal with the khtml crew and had no idea how to share code, causing a shitstorm and the khtml devs to reject their code. They had to learn how to share code with outside devs. Eventually this happened and we wound up with webkit.
What I'm trying to say is that the BSD license does not encourage the collegiality which I believe is the GPL's greatest strength. YMMV of course, but we've seen it time and again over the decades.
Like I said. For the things that Apple does not wish to share, they miss out on the feedback loop and code-reinvestment. Other people could call it network-effects.
"What good is first place when second place went to a beaver?" - Gallagher on Canadian money and the Queen's portrait.
If your definition of "reliable," with regards to bitcoins, is "better than [insert country here]'s monetary system circling the drain" then I think one would need to re-evaluate whether second-best is acceptable at all.
Nope, and you have not paid attention at all to Eldred vs Ashcroft.
The SCOTUS determines what's Constitutional. They said "limited time" is vague and as long as it lasts for a time shorter than infinty, it's limited.
That is a mathematical definition of "limited", and contrary to the popular definition of "limited" meaning the 14 years originally mentioned, but them's the breaks.
FTFS: "Researchers have identified an ongoing series of attacks, possibly emanating from China, that are targeting a number of high-profile organizations, including SCADA security companies, universities and defense contractors."
While Willie Sutton never actually said "that's where the money is" when it came to robbing banks, the truth in general about that statement couldn't be more apropos regarding this situation.
"be a very commercially friendly code base by using non-viral licenses where possible."
The advantages to Linux over BSD licensed operating systems is that improvements are reinvested in the code base, by mandate. This accelerates development at a much faster rate than we've seen with any of the BSDs since it is a positive feedback loop. Contrary to this, companies take BSD code, improve it, and tend to release nothing back. Because they don't have to. Look at OSX.
So now we have a project that is "focused on modern hardware and SMP" among other things. Compare and contrast to Linux which keeps up with modern hardware a lot better than any of the BSDs. I'm betting the goal of "keeping up with modern hardware" is going to fall by the wayside when they eventually discover how difficult it is when it's just them doing all the heavy lifting.
I also take issue with the "commercially friendly" jab. Linux is GPL, and it's commercially friendly. Sensible companies are not afraid one bit of using Linux. The ones who are don't understand what they're missing when it comes to the code reinvestment cycle.
Hey pla, how is the internet out in the sticks these days? I haven't been in alt.ri in a dog's age.
You don't *need* a broker or a bank but it helps, rather than having the equivalent of stuffing your mattress with cash by having your bitcoins in a thumbdrive.
>Though you don't need to trust in (broker) long term stability,
>The question is, if "limited time" as stated in the constitution was intended to mean ~180 years, then why was the first iteration of the law only providing for 28 years?
This, unfortunately, was settled in a SCOTUS case that basically said that anything less than the heat-death of the Universe is "a limited time"
I can't be arsed to look it up, but I assure you it's out there if you look.
That and eldred vs ashcroft, which is listed as a reference.
1. "Limited time" is whatever Congress says it is. 2. It can be retroactive, going back centuries if Congress so wants, ripping Public Domain from our culture.
>You're arguing that this kind of service is not needed because you, as an American, do not need it.
I have a bias against bitcoin because it smells of scam in various different ways. The fact that first adopters hoard the easily generated bitcoins from the beginning and that it is wildly deflationary should it get popular doesn't help me dismiss this idea.
>I've found you to be an intelligent and reasoning person
Thank you. But I am opinionated, and stubborn, and other things, as you have discovered.
I find it odd that Japan does not have secured credit cards for unlanded immigrants. Secured credit cards are backed by collateral - and that is your credit limit. The bank can take your collateral to cover the debt if you don't pay it. You break the contract and they just take it, which makes it a no-brainer for any bank anywhere.
No, copyright is life of the author + 70 or 90 years, I forgot which, it keeps getting longer. There is no "soon" about it. You only believe this because you stopped paying attention to copyright law in the 70s.
And as far as corporations are concerned, they'll just keep extending it forever. That's the reality.
>patents
I said nothing about patents
>Trademarks
Trademarks are your property, forever for as long as you choose to use them. You can even give them to your descendants. They can be bought and sold. They are property.
>However in the area of finance and banking, regulations seem to be usually there to impede the use of currency, to benefit banking oligarchy, and to reduce competition and transparency.
In the past 30 years, we have removed regulation from banking and all it's gotten is banking oligarchy. I don't know what planet you live on, but the "too big to fail" banks got that way because we refused to regulate how banking mergers happened.
"Too big to fail" = Too big to manage. They should have not gotten that big in the first place.
>It isn't altruism, the broker was required to cover those losses if he ever wanted to do business again.
No, it's called filing Chap 7 (bankruptcy), selling the assets of the company, dispensing with the debt, creating a new LLC or INC (or in other countries, SpA or LTD) and going on with life.
>There is no need to act like a butthurt beef jerk about it.
The only butthurt here is from the true believers in bitcoins, that they are somehow magical and special.
>Worse than that, he said "intellectual property".
So? Copyright and trademark exist. You think that The Oatmeal should have no recourse against Funnyjunk?
The GPL depends on copyright for its existence. Should authors of GPLed software have no recourse against those who would take their code and close it off?
>be held accountable for what they create
We have libel and slander laws. You are already held accountable for what you create.
>in the case aluded to by GGPP, the broker covered the loses.
The broker wasn't required to. That's the difference. It could have been "You read the disclaimer that this is not secure, sorry, you're out the bitcoins."
Depending on the altruism of a company is a bad idea.
and Polis, and Lofgren are probably the most Internet-literate people I had ever seen as politicians.
That Issa did not follow Smith's leadership in the House Judiciary Committee when it came to marking-up internet-hostile bills like SOPA was refreshing when watched live on CSPAN.
His social-conservatism in other areas, leaves much to be desired, but at least he's not like that scumbag Goodlatte who brought up child-porn as a justification for SOPA every time he got the chance to speak.
I think Maxine Waters was one of the most despicable on the other side of the aisle. The blatant anti-debate "let's all just go home, you're wasting my time" bullshit she was pulling made me want to scream.
The amount of illogic on both sides of the aisle except for a handful of people is disheartening.
Issa understands the Internet, and so do a few others. He is part of a very small minority. The rest are technophobes who have no idea what they are trying to regulate and simply don't care.
I also think brokers should be regulated. A lot of brokers play fast and loose just skating on the legal side of the law, if that. Most rely on the fact that the SEC and other regulators don't know what to do about bitcoins yet. They are aware that bitcoins are used for money laundering and scams. It's only a matter of time that they do something about it.
Until you can leave your bitcoins with a broker or bank and not worry about Boris or Bob breaking in from a continent away and stealing all your bitcoins over the Internet, then bitcoins will never become legitimate and accepted by society at large.
You seem butthurt that bitcoins need to grow up to become a legitimate currency. Sorry, but that's the way the world works. Deal with it.
Oh yeah, and read tftp's post about who pays for insurance when it comes to banks. He's right.
BABE: Telegram for you, Miss DiAngelo!... Oh, uh-I'm sorry-I didn't know... This is for you, Ma'm... LURLENE: Thank you, son. just a minute, boy! Come here... BABE: Yes? LURLENE: Where are you from? BABE: Nairobi, Ma'm. Isn't everybody?
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Apple has a bunch of BSD code they've modified and never given out. I did not claim that they never do, but they tend not to.
Apple is under no obligation to contribute back. This behaviour was apparent when they tried to deal with the khtml crew and had no idea how to share code, causing a shitstorm and the khtml devs to reject their code. They had to learn how to share code with outside devs. Eventually this happened and we wound up with webkit.
What I'm trying to say is that the BSD license does not encourage the collegiality which I believe is the GPL's greatest strength. YMMV of course, but we've seen it time and again over the decades.
Like I said. For the things that Apple does not wish to share, they miss out on the feedback loop and code-reinvestment. Other people could call it network-effects.
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Webkit isn't BSD. It's LGPL, because it came from khtml.
Libdispatch is Apache.
LLVM/Clang - oh look, you finally struck gold, a BSD license.
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"What good is first place when second place went to a beaver?" - Gallagher on Canadian money and the Queen's portrait.
If your definition of "reliable," with regards to bitcoins, is "better than [insert country here]'s monetary system circling the drain" then I think one would need to re-evaluate whether second-best is acceptable at all.
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>Steamboat Willie and Dumbo belong to us.
Nope, and you have not paid attention at all to Eldred vs Ashcroft.
The SCOTUS determines what's Constitutional. They said "limited time" is vague and as long as it lasts for a time shorter than infinty, it's limited.
That is a mathematical definition of "limited", and contrary to the popular definition of "limited" meaning the 14 years originally mentioned, but them's the breaks.
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FTFS: "Researchers have identified an ongoing series of attacks, possibly emanating from China, that are targeting a number of high-profile organizations, including SCADA security companies, universities and defense contractors."
While Willie Sutton never actually said "that's where the money is" when it came to robbing banks, the truth in general about that statement couldn't be more apropos regarding this situation.
Data=Wealth.
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"be a very commercially friendly code base by using non-viral licenses where possible."
The advantages to Linux over BSD licensed operating systems is that improvements are reinvested in the code base, by mandate. This accelerates development at a much faster rate than we've seen with any of the BSDs since it is a positive feedback loop. Contrary to this, companies take BSD code, improve it, and tend to release nothing back. Because they don't have to. Look at OSX.
So now we have a project that is "focused on modern hardware and SMP" among other things. Compare and contrast to Linux which keeps up with modern hardware a lot better than any of the BSDs. I'm betting the goal of "keeping up with modern hardware" is going to fall by the wayside when they eventually discover how difficult it is when it's just them doing all the heavy lifting.
I also take issue with the "commercially friendly" jab. Linux is GPL, and it's commercially friendly. Sensible companies are not afraid one bit of using Linux. The ones who are don't understand what they're missing when it comes to the code reinvestment cycle.
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Hey pla, how is the internet out in the sticks these days? I haven't been in alt.ri in a dog's age.
You don't *need* a broker or a bank but it helps, rather than having the equivalent of stuffing your mattress with cash by having your bitcoins in a thumbdrive.
>Though you don't need to trust in (broker) long term stability,
Call me old fashioned...
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>The question is, if "limited time" as stated in the constitution was intended to mean ~180 years, then why was the first iteration of the law only providing for 28 years?
This, unfortunately, was settled in a SCOTUS case that basically said that anything less than the heat-death of the Universe is "a limited time"
I can't be arsed to look it up, but I assure you it's out there if you look.
Oh hell, I looked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golan_v._Holder
That and eldred vs ashcroft, which is listed as a reference.
1. "Limited time" is whatever Congress says it is.
2. It can be retroactive, going back centuries if Congress so wants, ripping Public Domain from our culture.
you may now go and weep.
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>You're arguing that this kind of service is not needed because you, as an American, do not need it.
I have a bias against bitcoin because it smells of scam in various different ways. The fact that first adopters hoard the easily generated bitcoins from the beginning and that it is wildly deflationary should it get popular doesn't help me dismiss this idea.
>I've found you to be an intelligent and reasoning person
Thank you. But I am opinionated, and stubborn, and other things, as you have discovered.
I find it odd that Japan does not have secured credit cards for unlanded immigrants. Secured credit cards are backed by collateral - and that is your credit limit. The bank can take your collateral to cover the debt if you don't pay it. You break the contract and they just take it, which makes it a no-brainer for any bank anywhere.
Have you tried any online banks?
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People originally used third parties like banks to hold their cash because having a large amount of it at home was bad security all the way around.
Having a pen drive with thousands of dollars worth of bitcoins in your dresser is just as bad as having thousands of physical bills in your dresser.
And pen drives die, all by themselves, for random reasons.
That's why.
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>The real question is are you foolish enough to think she doesn't do that on purpose?
When they said yes, she did pay. INTERAC is pretty common in Toronto.
It worked out.
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Let me tell you about what happens when you have a GF that has an INTERAC card and never a lick of cash on her, ever:
GF: "Do you have INTERAC?"
Business owner: "No, we never got it"
BMO whips out the cash.
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>Copyright is _meant_ to expire and soon
No, copyright is life of the author + 70 or 90 years, I forgot which, it keeps getting longer. There is no "soon" about it. You only believe this because you stopped paying attention to copyright law in the 70s.
And as far as corporations are concerned, they'll just keep extending it forever. That's the reality.
>patents
I said nothing about patents
>Trademarks
Trademarks are your property, forever for as long as you choose to use them. You can even give them to your descendants. They can be bought and sold. They are property.
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BMO
>However in the area of finance and banking, regulations seem to be usually there to impede the use of currency, to benefit banking oligarchy, and to reduce competition and transparency.
In the past 30 years, we have removed regulation from banking and all it's gotten is banking oligarchy. I don't know what planet you live on, but the "too big to fail" banks got that way because we refused to regulate how banking mergers happened.
"Too big to fail" = Too big to manage. They should have not gotten that big in the first place.
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>It isn't altruism, the broker was required to cover those losses if he ever wanted to do business again.
No, it's called filing Chap 7 (bankruptcy), selling the assets of the company, dispensing with the debt, creating a new LLC or INC (or in other countries, SpA or LTD) and going on with life.
>There is no need to act like a butthurt beef jerk about it.
The only butthurt here is from the true believers in bitcoins, that they are somehow magical and special.
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>Worse than that, he said "intellectual property".
So? Copyright and trademark exist. You think that The Oatmeal should have no recourse against Funnyjunk?
The GPL depends on copyright for its existence. Should authors of GPLed software have no recourse against those who would take their code and close it off?
>be held accountable for what they create
We have libel and slander laws. You are already held accountable for what you create.
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>in the case aluded to by GGPP, the broker covered the loses.
The broker wasn't required to. That's the difference. It could have been "You read the disclaimer that this is not secure, sorry, you're out the bitcoins."
Depending on the altruism of a company is a bad idea.
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and Polis, and Lofgren are probably the most Internet-literate people I had ever seen as politicians.
That Issa did not follow Smith's leadership in the House Judiciary Committee when it came to marking-up internet-hostile bills like SOPA was refreshing when watched live on CSPAN.
His social-conservatism in other areas, leaves much to be desired, but at least he's not like that scumbag Goodlatte who brought up child-porn as a justification for SOPA every time he got the chance to speak.
I think Maxine Waters was one of the most despicable on the other side of the aisle. The blatant anti-debate "let's all just go home, you're wasting my time" bullshit she was pulling made me want to scream.
The amount of illogic on both sides of the aisle except for a handful of people is disheartening.
Issa understands the Internet, and so do a few others. He is part of a very small minority. The rest are technophobes who have no idea what they are trying to regulate and simply don't care.
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>The banks in my country
This is a US centric site, hosted in the US, with a US perspective on things.
It's as if you just sat down in a Chinese restaurant and complained about noodles on the menu.
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The Bank of Montreal is simply going to have to take it up with Peter Bergman, who is dead.
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I do think they should be insured.
I also think brokers should be regulated. A lot of brokers play fast and loose just skating on the legal side of the law, if that. Most rely on the fact that the SEC and other regulators don't know what to do about bitcoins yet. They are aware that bitcoins are used for money laundering and scams. It's only a matter of time that they do something about it.
Until you can leave your bitcoins with a broker or bank and not worry about Boris or Bob breaking in from a continent away and stealing all your bitcoins over the Internet, then bitcoins will never become legitimate and accepted by society at large.
You seem butthurt that bitcoins need to grow up to become a legitimate currency. Sorry, but that's the way the world works. Deal with it.
Oh yeah, and read tftp's post about who pays for insurance when it comes to banks. He's right.
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>My bank doesn't trust me with a credit card, so trying to do anything involving money online is a huge pain
Secured credit cards through your bank. How do they effin' work?
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>And no one has ever robbed a bank of course.
Banks are insured.
Bitcoin brokers aren't. They simply can't get insurance. They get robbed, and it's simply *gone.*
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Since we realized we all came out of Africa
Obligatory:
BABE: Telegram for you, Miss DiAngelo! ... Oh, uh-I'm sorry-I didn't know ... This is for you, Ma'm ... ...
LURLENE: Thank you, son. just a minute, boy! Come here
BABE: Yes?
LURLENE: Where are you from?
BABE: Nairobi, Ma'm. Isn't everybody?
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>network and machine latency introduces randomness.
Then dispense with the pretence and have a random drawing. There are companies that specialize in this like GTECH and it can be on the up-and-up.
But no, it has to be this nonsense.
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