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Hungarian Sequencing Company Vets DNA For 'Gypsy Or Jew' Genes
ananyo writes "Hungary's Medical Research Council (ETT), which advises the government on health policy, has asked public prosecutors to investigate a genetic-diagnostic company that certified that a member of parliament did not have Roma or Jewish heritage. The MP in question is a member of the far-right Jobbik party, which won 17% of the votes in the general election of April 2010. He apparently requested the certificate from the firm Nagy Gén Diagnostic and Research. The company produced the document in September 2010, a few weeks before local elections. Nagy Gén scanned 18 positions in the MP's genome for variants that it says are characteristic of Roma and Jewish ethnic groups; its report concludes that Roma and Jewish ancestry can be ruled out." Adds ananyo: "The test is of-course nonsense, and notions of 'racial purity' have long been discredited." Just when you think the world is too modern for such things, modernity gets hijacked by flim-flam.
But did they scan him for the vampire gene?
Why would the ETT want to start a prosecution? Oh yeah, didn't RTFA
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Thats Rumania, not Hungary
I feel like throwing in the towel and getting the hell out of this country.
Why would it even matter? Unless you're some kind of right wing, neo nazi freak - oh, wait... never mind.
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>>Adds anonyo: "The test is of-course nonsense, and notions of 'racial purity' have long been discredited."
These are two different claims. One is that the test is nonsense, the other is that racial purity has long been discredited.
It's quite possible for both the genetic test to be valid, and to not *care* about racial purity.
While notions of race are tied up in all sorts of political correct nonsense and/or racist stereotyping, the simple fact of the matter is that there is a certain nexus of genes that are associated with what we commonly call race, and no amount of politically correct handwaving will make the science go away. Things like sickle cell anemia are associated with people of African descent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickle-cell_disease#Genetics), as is Tay-Sachs in Ashkenazi Jews (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_genetics_of_Jewish_people), high rates of adult lactase enzymes in people of Northern European descent, low rates of alcohol dehydrogenase in several Asian groups, and so forth.
Long story short, while the concept of race is socially constructed (what is considered "white" has changed significantly over the last 100 years), the labels that we do use for race can be backed up by genetic testing (by looking for clusters of genes associated with a race), and so tests like this *are* scientifically valid, even though ethically suspicious.
1. How accurate are these tests?
and 2. How ethical is doing something like that?
I think the answer on #1 is actually more complex than this summary makes it sound. The notion of pure ethnic groups is a fiction, but you can trace some kinds of population lineages using genetic markers. That's in fact some of how we've recreated early human population movements; by estimating when in time certain markers diverged between Asian and European populations, for example, we can estimate when those populations migrated out of the Middle East / Africa area where their ancestors likely originated. The HapMap project maps some more recent geographical correlations.
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"The test is of-course nonsense, and notions of 'racial purity' have long been discredited."
Really? Since when?
We have a lot of blonde-haired, blue-eyed natives prancing about in Africa?
Considering the rather complex history of invasions and migrations through Hungary, I can't even imagine what one would qualify as a pure Hungarian. We're not talking about largely homogeneous populations like Iceland or Norway, we're talking about a country that has been the stomping ground from everyone from Central Asians to Germans to Mediterranean types. Read a history of that region. The idea that there is any kind of true full blooded "Hungarian" is daft.
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So are the Democrats.
And vomiting generalized insults over a whole continent puts you on the moral high ground compared to your average neonazi idiot how, exactly?
Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
There are still Nazi pigs in Europe
FTFY. This is just proof that idiocy knows no national boundaries - there's racist fucks in Europe, Asia, the Americas, Africa, Australia, Oceania and probably even Antarctica.
Unless you can definitively demonstrate that your country has never, in all its history, engaged in any sort of ethnic discrimination (or been the victim of it)...
Just what makes you all so sure these guys *haven't* figured out a way to screen for racial impurities? Heck, DNA wasn't even thought to be important until recently. Time and time again ivory tower eggheads have turned out to be wrong, despite all their book learning.
I got an impression that Slashdot is pushing a certain point of view here. What's that about "nonsense" of racial purity? Are you denying that Jews and Gypsies exist? There must genetic markers defining any racial group that physically differs. It is certainly possible to determine the likelihood of person having certain ancestry based on genetic typing.
The test is of-course nonsense, and notions of 'racial purity' have long been discredited." Just when you think the world is too modern for such things, modernity gets hijacked by flim-flam.
Sorry, but you either descended from Jacob (insert the comparabl\, or you did not. We currently have the technology to measure that with a high degree of confidence.
Now, if you want to talk about whether or not an adopted Jew, or a convert, count as "really" Jewish, that gets into matters of dogma, not genetics - And don't think this extends only to the "racists" - Just as some groups would hold such ancestry against someone, orthodox Judaism considers it (specifically, matrilineal descent) a requirement.
And for the record, I consider both stances equally stupid.
Everyone here is barking up the wrong tree. Political power is always driven by self-interest. Logically, only a self-interested person would consider initiating coercion against another as his means to an end (and that is the essence of all government).
Therefore, "Racial purity" is merely a gimmick that helps to consolidate political power into the hands of the elite few. Consolidation of political power is the end goal, and "racial purity" is nothing but a cheap attempt to chip away at that goal.
I can't speak for the Roma, but on behalf of the Jewish people, I accept the results of this test. This idiot has nothing to do with us genetically. Cue other ethnic groups demanding he test himself so they can wash their hands of him as well. (Sadly, people like this take: "Nobody wants me" to be a compliment rather than an insult.)
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Can I get tested for the bastages gene instead. MY wife and I may be carriers but not full bastages. And we do know that to get ahead in this world only true bastages fully succeed. Only confirmed genetic testing would be able to vet out whom is a true bastage vs whom is acting like one as a means to an end. We must identify the Bastages.
Also through empirical testing and anecdotal evidence Bastages is a genetic components as I have see the nicest people come from the biggest of Bastages and the biggest of Bastages raised by the nicest of parents. And though latent Bastage tendencies may be in all of us as a recessive gene, we should test and identify these Bastages early and shape their upbringing for the betterment of humanity
Then again this could all just be a load of c#$p
Reading this kind of news is pretty shocking IMHO. First we have anti-ROMA racism in France, then anti-ROMA and antisemitic racism in Hungary. I really hope history doesn't repeat itself, though I'm not overly optimistic.
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In talks with Hungarian friends, some of which still live there, they seem keenly aware of the poor image their country has in the eyes of the rest of the world. It's a country best known for giving the origins to history's most prolific serial killer, Elizabeth Bathory (killed ~600 young girls with torture methods that make the Spanish Inquisition look like amateur hour), and for being the de facto porn capital of Europe. Worse, the attempts of Hungarians to whitewash haven't made things much better, yet they persist. For example, last year there was quite a bit of drama on the Wikipedia page for the countess, with Hungarians trying to sanitize the Bathory article of some of the more gruesome details and putting in claims that the evidence against her was hear-say and/or politically motivated (veritably and verifiably false, as there were plenty of well-documented witnesses). When this didn't work out and much of the dishonest editing was undone (though I've still been unable to fully restore the article), they tried to shift the blame for the edit attempts on feminists. Which might have been convincing, had I not hang around Hungarian IRC channels in one of which the whole whitewash campaign was discussed.
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Is being Jewish a religion, ethnicity, or culture? Only one - ethnicity - could even possibly be connected to genes, and even then I gather that that is not valid?
It’s reassuring to know that the United States of America doesn’t have a monopoly on nut cases.
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She doesn't sequence druish.
Let's face it, most of us are scoffers. But moments before zero hour, it does not pay to take chances.
Stop generalizing!
Americans are so stupid...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
So why are these Hungarians trying to solve a Kazakh problem?
You can't handle the truth.
Do they really celebrate Running of the Jew in Antarctica?
[Sorry, someone had to slip a Borat joke]
As a Finn, I'd like to note that it's well-established that we are very inbred. There is a wide array of genetic diseases (and a few positive mutations) that can be found essentially nowhere else in the world.
The nice thing about malevolent bigoted fools who need to experience a noose is that they are eager to self-identify. Saves the rest of us a lot of trouble.
Everybody gets what the majority deserves.
See their reaction when you ask them if they support:Africa for the Africans,Asia for the Asians,white countries for EVERYBODY! This is genocide according to international law.Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white.
Questions for the anti-whites: 1) If "RACE does not exist", then genocide can't happen and has never happened? 2) If "RACE is just skin color", then why is skin color so important to you? 3) If "RACE is just how people look", then why are you only against the way white people look? Why do you hate white children so much?
Some anti-whites will say they want to genocide all races, which makes them mulatto-supremacists as well as criminals; I suspect however, they only say that to justify white genocide. Any which way you want to slice it, anti-whites justify white genocide. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
"They are close to being expelled either willingly or against their will," he [Interior Minister Eli Yishai] said. "This is a number that threatens the Jewish identity."
Just taking some simple observations would give you an average success rate greater than random selection so your "not at all" is wrong. For instance, pick only those with dark hair. (http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/7061-hair#anchor7)
I read this while stroking my red beard (courtesy of my red-headed Jewish father) and running my hair through my blond hair (courtesy of my German great-grandfather, who converted to Judaism in order to marry my great-grandmother). If it will satisfy you, though, I will rephrase the question: given a lineup of five white people with black hair, how will you determine which person is Jewish?
Why do people insist on having an airtight, scientifically sound, completely precise definition for race?
Why do people insist that a religion or culture is even related to race? Race should refer only to sets of inheritable characteristics; Judaism is not something you can inherit. I cannot convert to having dark, African skin, no matter how hard I try; yet anyone who is willing is able to convert to Judaism, and if I wanted to I could convert out of Judaism.
You're mistaking the religious beliefs with the race.
So take away the religion and the culture, and what is left? What do you think Judaism is, beyond religion and culture?
Palm trees and 8
There was a recently published book Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People By Harry Ostrer Oxford University Press. Read more: http://forward.com/articles/155742/jews-are-a-race-genes-reveal/ It was widely heralded as showing "Jews Are a 'Race,' Genes Reveal" http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/dna-links-prove-jews-are-a-race-says-genetics-expert-1.428664 I did not see comments calling the book extremist or hateful words being used about the author. This man had a genetic test and he is some sort of devil. The same sort of tests are carried out on Jewish people are this is fine and dandy Why the hypocrisy? I see lots of anti-racist rhetoric. But it does make me wonder. Why is it bad for the politician to investigate his race but good for Jewish people to investigate theirs. It almost make me think there is denial of the White race. It makes me think this anti-racist rhetoric is really anti-White. I've seen posted: Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White. Looks like it is true for lots of posters here.
"The test is of-course nonsense, and notions of 'racial purity' have long been discredited."
Perhaps, but before we laugh at such things I would like to point out that the U.S. government recognizes Native American heritage on less convincing evidence than a DNA sequence. It makes a difference in government benefits and tribal rights. My point is that governments regularly, and officially, pigeon-hole people into various groups based on "racial purity" or something like it. It sure seems important to a lot of people, especially when money is involved.
Proverbs 21:19
DNA USA is a readable journey through various DNA techniques and ancestry studies by the British geneticist Bryan Sykes. It covers many of the arguments discussed in this thread. Sykes has written several other books like this, which update the state of the art about every three years or so.
An interesting argument from Sykes is that after 400 years, some ancestors are edited out of your heritage. You can only have 50K contributors to the 25K pairs of genes you carry. And after 16 generators, some the ancestors no longer give you any genes. 400 years is 16 generations. To worry about a billion ancestors back 30 generations is not that important.
If good gives up, evil prevails.
As an American I get a bit of Schadenfreude, that the Europeans have seem to be less snobbish lately on their superiority, over the Americans. Right before 2008 crash, there was all this stupid talk on how much better they are for all the government provided services... Then the market crashed, America is in a recovery, Europe is still having a tons of major problems. A lot of it is due to the fact that they offered too many services that they could only afford in a strong economy, while the US and other countries who took a more Conservative approach seems to be better off.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Is there a test yet for the douchebag gene?
but I see more and more ways in which civilization moves backward. And I don't think it's just after having heard the term "Peak Civilization."
It seems logical. As resources dwindle, people retreat physically and mentally.
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Yeah, well so is the state of Israel, but I don't hear you Jews complain about that.
A lot more of it is due to being taken advantage of by Goldman Sachs. There's nothing wrong with government providing services that it can pay for. The problem occurs when the government colludes with banks to hide the actual costs of those services.
Further problems happen when the banks who knowingly made loans to insolvent nations demand to be paid back in full, forcing austerity measures on a public who has done nothing wrong, which even further damages the economy of the country. The entire thing is a ploy by Goldman Sachs to turn Greece into an indentured servant.
The only people who did anything wrong in the European crisis are the government leaders and the banks. Those are the only parties who bear any responsibility, and those are the only parties who should have to pay.
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correction: trolls are so stupid, as is anyone who blames all Americans for being prejudiced
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And now these are racially determined?, I'm confused now.
Because mass immigration and "assimilation" is imposed on ALL white countries and ONLY on white countries.It is geNOcide.Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
Questions for the anti-whites: 1) If "RACE does not exist", then genocide can't happen and has never happened? 2) If "RACE is just skin color", then why is skin color so important to you? 3) If "RACE is just how people look", then why are you only against the way white people look? Why do you hate white children so much? Some anti-whites will say they want to genocide all races, which makes them mulatto-supremacists as well as criminals; I suspect however, they only say that to justify white genocide. Any which way you want to slice it, anti-whites justify white genocide. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
There was a controversial 2005 paper that did suggest Ashkenazi Jews may have above average math and verbal intelligence, and inferior spatial intelligence
Some 40% of Ashkenazi Jews have mitochondrial DNA descended from just four women. If those four women had DNA that encouraged above average intelligence it would be quite plausible for the same tendency to extend to a large percentage of Ashkenazi Jews.
Physical characteristics of our brains are determined to a significant extent by our genes, along with nutrition and other factors, but it is entirely plausabile that there are genetic factors that would result in above average intelligence, just like there are genetic factors that result in above average strength, stamina or speed.
Its just a matter of time before someone is going to try to genetically engineer superintelligent humans.
P.S.
Last laugh at all the people, especially interkin3tic, who fileted me on the slashdot thread a few weeks about $1000 DNA sequencing when I pointed out how neo nazi's would immediately latch on to it as a way to determine racial purity. Assorted liberals asserted that we had moved beyond Nazi's, eugenics and race and it would never happen again. I pointed out then Hungary already had a neo Nazi government going down this path again, and today here you are.
@de_machina
You can get information from the gene code to have a better probability with certain factors.
I mean,. having someone come up with an 'racial purity' test o nonsense and below the aspiration of s civilized person, but that's a separate issue.
You8 could tell that the person had no 'middle eastern' heritage, for example.
However you can also have a man who is very black, and be eastern European heritage.
Radio lav did an excellent story on this, btw.
What you can not do, is look at someone skin and build and actually know ancestral history. I'm not talking about apparent or grand parent,s but many generations.
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Race as a biological intention of 'subspecies' then no, there is only humans. There are no subspecies of humans.
You don't seem to uderstand what Genocide is:
genocide/jensd/
Noun:
The deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation.
Stop confusing ethnicity with race.
"Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white."
And that is complete utter nonsense.
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If it were just the MP doing this out of curiosity, I would say he is a wacko who is overly obsessed with race and genetics. Yet the purpose of doing this was almost certainly political: he likely wanted to rally support from Hungarians who hate Jews and Gypsies, and wanted to parade around this "proof" that he is not one of "them." That is why it is problematic for a company to provide this sort of testing: it fuels violence and Nazi attitudes.
Imagine if private schools or social clubs pressured people to get these tests, refusing to admit members who showed signs of being descended from Jews or Gypsies. Imagine if people were ostracized or even physically attacked if they "tested positive" for such genes. That is the sort of outcome that such testing will inevitably lead to. Hungary already has problems with ethnic violence; this sort of testing would undoubtedly fuel that.
The fact that a right-wing Hungarian website called the test "noble" rather than "irrelevant" should be all you need to know that such Nazi ideology is not yet dead.
Palm trees and 8
Like all humans. :-)
Of course, that's only "bad" news if you're some race-obsessed right-wing wacko.
The Talmud is not part of the Jewish belief system. It's a bunch of old men with no particular religious importance (judges and scholars) writing down their opinions on Biblical law. It's like pointing to Plessy v Ferguson as proof that all Americans are racist.
1. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
2. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
source = http://www.waylanderskeep.com/2009/12/jewish-talmud-quotes/
That handles your line of crap perfectly with jews' own words. They wrote them after all.
Mitochondrial DNA (mDNA) is only passed down from the mother, meaning it's not sexually mixed. This DNA is also ONLY used in the mitochondria, the DNA doesn't affect a damn thing in your body outside the Mitochondria. So even if there are 4 women who originate an entire ethnic groups Mitochondria it says NOTHING about the sexual mixing of regular DNA that has occurred over those generations. So not only can you say nothing about intelligence based on mDNA but mDNA is worthless for anything other than paternity and descendence studies.
I won't even get into genetics versus environment and the studies that have shown intelligence, ambition and knowledge are as dependent on environment (upbringing) as they are on natural advantages.
As disturbing as it might sound, my parents in Europe had to have aria/aryan papers to move around without being arrested/molested/deported/etc.
I am from Hungary, but it has nothing to with my nationality, this was all around occupied Europe before.
As for the subject: this is outrageous. What I wish, is that these people find out that they are gipsies/jews/blacks (or whatever they hate the most), then demonstrating their faith, they just set themselves on fire or hang themselves. Hopefully the rest of the idiots then follow :)
And yes, I post as AC .. because it is a subject I do not with to discuss with my handle at all, even though I am on the non-agressor side of the issue.
BTW : how is this worse than Obamas' birth certificate bullshit?
I am part of a minority in Hungary and I have to hide this from my friends and coworkers. They would certainly change their attitude if they would know I am not '100%' pure hungarian. I am tired of this extremist culture, hatred and agitation.
If I were to tell them I am Romanian, they most probably would hate me and god knows what else ....
I feel I have a civic duty to warn you all that is not a good thing to feed or give money to the Gypsies/Roma (they're the same thing). They'll try to look as if they're really poor and oppressed, but don't worry, they won't die from starvation or lack of money (they thrive on this, and just so you know, they might have a lot of money but still go begging), the vast majority of them reject most of the following things: education, work, honesty or civilized world's moral values and will steal from you on every chance they'd get (it's in their culture to reject society's values). ;) :)
Just so you know...your perception about their situation here is pretty much wrong, i'd love to see them invade the american continent and see how you cope, and how your general perception about them changes.
Hopefully different from that of the West Europeans
Maybe this will make you understand why not having Roma genes is an important thing here, as a politician
As for Jews...i don't have anything bad to say, and i don't understand why it would be relevant (in a bad way) to be or have Jew ancestors.
Look closely.
You have 1. Massive immigration, 2. To white countries only 3. Border laws suspended Coupled with: 4. Forced integration 5. Racial preference to non-whites 6. Coerced tolerance 7. Socially engineered assimilation/genetic blending
What is the end result of diversity? Genocide, white genocide.
How is this not white genocide - forced immigration + forced tolerance + assimilation = end of white people?
So you have definitively established that the mitochondria has no role in the function of the brain even though neurons have hundreds of mitochondria and they are essential to meeting the energy needs of neurons.
Please do share with us your innovative research.
@de_machina
Here is one of many papers, "Neuronal degeneration and mitochondrial dysfunction", where mitochondrial DNA does seem to "affect a damn thing in your body outside the Mitochondria".
Would you like to retract your kneejerk claim now or later?
@de_machina
... meaning 'White people who simply want to live around THEIR OWN KIND and be left alone'...
Perhaps some of the brainwashed Slashdotters can tell me why that is such a crime...
Probably because Jews are incapable of living with THEIR OWN kind, since they don't 'do' manual labour... and thus have to live in a HOST country, leeching off the indigenous people...
Seriously - are any of you going to tell me that YOU have the right to tell ME who I have to live with? That means you think you OWN me, and that I am your property.
If you want to live as a white minority in a third world country so much (which is exactly where you left wing nutcases are sending every white country on Earth), why aren't you moving to Africa?
The groups in the US who consider themselves "conservative" or "far-right" seldom advocate a society without government intervention. Most of them are in favor of lots of government intervention, but only in some areas, and only supporting them and their interests. Lots of them approve of wars against Communism, and you don't get much more interventionist than war. (Of course, Muslim is the new Commie.) Lots of them approve of government making lots of social policies, and keeping the poor people and foreigners in their places (even if they're less concerned about what color the poor are than they used to be), and about banning "obscenity" (are vibrators legal in Texas yet?), and deciding who's allowed to get married.
And they may be opposed to some kinds of government intervention in business (like environmental or worker safety regulations), but they sure want their defense contracts, and their "intellectual property" protection. And whether they like free trade or protectionism depends a lot on the business they're in (for instance, steel companies got Bush to support protectionist legislation, even though it made steel more expensive for American car manufacturers.)
And when you're talking about European far-right parties, a lot of them aren't particularly in favor of civil discourse anyway.
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It makes sense that a religious group with strong tradition would have a consistent environment. The upbringing would complement whatever innate tendency was already there. It may even encourage those lacking a genetic basis to better themselves.
Ever hear of the Chinese occupation of Tibet? Israeli occupation of Palestine? Saddam Hussein and the Kurds? The Sunni and the Shea? Muslims kill one another all the time. In Darfur and Rwanda blacks hack each other to bits, and rape and kill one another. The entire planet is a fireball of ethnic conflicts, but you anti-Whites blame Joe European for it all. You want to demonize my race, for your genocidal intent! Anti-racism is just a code word for anti-White.
Hatta's right here. There have been a number of studies that show that "modern" human genetic diversity was widest in Africa, and that some of those people moved north to Europe, and some of those people moved to Asia, and some of them moved to Australia and the Pacific Islands in various groups, and others of them moved to North America. Some of the Europeans hung out with Neanderthals, and some of the Asians hung out with Denisovans, and of course there were mutations along the way, like the ones that let the Northwest Europeans drink milk as adults (and separately, the ones that let the MauMau drink milk.)
But the folks who went to different parts of Africa had a really wide genetic range compared to the ones who stayed in Kenya or went north.
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The US government can cook the books all it likes, but the employment (not unemployment) numbers have barely improved at all. We're short 10 million jobs. Income is declining in real terms for every income bracket except the top 0.1%. Even if that were not so, we actually took a less conservative approach than Europe. We gave tens of trillions of dollars in welfare to the bankers and speculators who caused the problem, Europe did far less of that and far more austerity, and where there was the most austerity there have been the worst results.
Governments on both sides of the Atlantic would have been better to get equity in the big banks when they were on the ropes, in exchange for the bailout and recapitalization, effectively nationalizing all the too-big-to-exist banks. Then some real housecleaning, write-offs and mass prosecutions could take place, followed by breaking up the big banks and selling off the pieces. We also need to require them to make loans to productive enterprises as an enforced condition of their charters, rather than paying them to sit on their hands and buy treasuries as we are doing now.
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?" - Patrick Henry
His downmod of the original post's our answer http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2911237&cid=40301105 . It would appear what was quoted there is truthful.
This shows who's dumb and it was downmodded http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2911237&cid=40301105 showing it was truthful and exactly who the dumb ones are.
http://www.waylanderskeep.com/2009/12/jewish-talmud-quotes/
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1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."
22. Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."
23. Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."
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You can clearly see what they think of you all non-jews (yes, non-jews are Goy/Goyim and Gentiles from above), and quoted straight from their own beliefs and words. Perhaps it explains why Jews were persecuted in World War II and earlier in addition to anti-semetism now. They just can't be too smart to put stuff like that down on paper.
http://www.waylanderskeep.com/2009/12/jewish-talmud-quotes/
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1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."
22. Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."
23. Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."
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You can clearly see what they think of you all non-jews (yes, non-jews are Goy/Goyim and Gentiles from above), and quoted straight from their own beliefs and words. Perhaps it explains why Jews were persecuted in World War II and earlier in addition to anti-semitism now. It probably explains them being kicked nation to nation throughout history also. They just can't be too smart to put stuff like that down on paper.
http://www.waylanderskeep.com/2009/12/jewish-talmud-quotes/
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1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."
22. Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."
23. Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."
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You can clearly see what they think of you all non-jews (yes, non-jews are Goy/Goyim and Gentiles from above), and quoted straight from their own beliefs and words. Perhaps it explains why Jews were persecuted in World War II and earlier in addition to anti-semitism now. It probably explains them being kicked nation to nation throughout history also. They just can't be too smart to put stuff like that down on paper.
You need to get your facts straight. Blacks sold their prisoners and other malcontents to slavers. I wager you're not aware of that happening, and I suggest you look it up and verify it yourself. You'll doubtless be quite surprised to find out I told you the actual truth, not a line of horseshit.
http://www.waylanderskeep.com/2009/12/jewish-talmud-quotes/
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1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."
22. Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."
23. Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."
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You can clearly see what they think of you all non-jews (yes, non-jews are Goy/Goyim and Gentiles from above), and quoted straight from their own beliefs and words. Perhaps it explains why Jews were persecuted in World War II and earlier in addition to anti-semitism now. It probably explains them being kicked nation to nation throughout history too.
If you're lumping black Africans all into one cluster, you've missed both Hatta's point and the point of that Wordpress article. Those "two principal components" aren't some fundamentally significant choice of axes, they're components that let you get a visually distinct separation between groups that you've already clustered. So that picture was useful in showing differences between Africans, Europeans, Asians, Australians, and Native Americans. But if you were to split the Africans into 10 or 20 clusters, you'd see a lot more variation between those clusters than between the Europeans and the nearest African groups. For instance, compare the Kalahari Bushmen with the Eastern and Western Pygmy groups in the Congo, the Zulus, the Mau-Mau and other Kenyans, the Bantu groups, the Berbers in Morocco, the Tuareg, etc.
Or for more precision, look at the Wikipedia pages for the L0 mitochondria haplogroup vs. L1, L3, L6, etc. and this picture. Non-African humans are all part of subgroups L3M and L3N, people who left Africa for Arabia a while back. (L3N is mostly in Europe, L3M mostly in Asia.) The Y-chromosome data isn't as well-sampled, but Wikipedia's Y-Chromosomal Adam page also suggests that most of the diversity's in Africa.
And yes, there's also evidence of Neandertal in European genetics and Denisovans in Melanesia, though not in the Y chromosomes or mitochondria, and some other hominids in Sub-Saharan African genetics as well.
Bill Stewart
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http://www.waylanderskeep.com/2009/12/jewish-talmud-quotes/
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1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."
22. Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."
23. Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."
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You can clearly see what they think of you all non-jews (yes, non-jews are Goy/Goyim and Gentiles from above), and quoted straight from their own beliefs and words. Perhaps it explains why Jews were persecuted in World War II and earlier in addition to anti-semitism now. It probably explains them being kicked nation to nation throughout history also. Anyone with 1/2 a brain can see who the real racists appear to be here and it's not Europeans. They had their experiences with Jews, bad ones, and when no one else would take them, the european community did. They booted them every time in the end! Gee, wonder why? Not.
goes to the cut and paste Talmud guy.
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
I'd like you to explain why it is jews got kicked from nearly every european nation then. They took them when nobody else would and you see the results. Explain that please. Good luck.
The title in GATTACA was chosen using the letters A, C, G, T... as in:
Adenine
Cytosine
Guanine
Thymine
(The four bases of DNA).
Mike
Depending on whose calculations you like, Jacob's birthdate was probably about 1650 BCE, and there are number of Y-chromosomal genetic studies of descendents of his son Cohen (Most of whom have names that are variant spellings, like Cohan, Kohan, Garfinkel, etc.) There's a good Wikipedia article on Jewish genetics.
But no, genetic mixing isn't that as thorough and widespread as you'd think. People tend to marry people from the same culture, who speak the same languages, non-nomadic people tend to marry within their own village, nomadic people within their own tribe. Very few non-Jewish non-Arabs have Jacob as an ancestor (or at least have Rachel or Leah as ancestors - polygamy stuck around for another 1500-2000 years in that area.)
Some connections are easier to trace (paternal lines through Y-chromosome, maternal through mitochondria), though of course you don't get any information from your father's mother's mitochondria or your mother's father's Y-chromosome, so you're mostly limited to statistical analysis from other traits unless there are distinct mutations available to work with.
It does look like we're all descendants of "Mitochondrial Eve" about 200,000 years ago, and "Y-Chromosomal Adam" about 140,000 years ago, though of course there were lots of other humanish men and women around back then - they're just the ones whose easily traceable genes stuck around
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You are psychotic, and need mental help. I shouldn't respond to a post from a psychopath. It's just plain stupid, but I can be sometimes. My children are 1/4 Jewish genetically, although I think it's really more of a cultural than genetic heritage. I'm Unitarian, and the only belief drilled into me as a child is to respect other's religious beliefs, at least so long as they don't try to force me to adopt them.
I'm guessing you consider yourself either Christian or Muslim. I am quite sure authorities of both religions reject you as a worshiper, as will God, if he does sit in judgement, when you die.
Celebrate failure, and then learn from it - Nolan Bushnell
Explain why it is jews got kicked from nearly every european nation then in your own words. They took them when nobody else would and you see the results. Explain that please. Good luck.
Gak, ignore half of that, I was low on caffeine, of course it was Levi who was Jacob's son (and there are some genetic studies there), the Kohans are descended from Aaron, mostly, who was of course several generations later.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
I'm not Jewish :)
"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
Ok no "ifs", I am going to explain exactly what the article did, and why they way you characterized the principal components ("they're components that let you get a visually distinct separation between groups that you've already clustered.") is wrong.
The figure I linked to is figure S3B. The supplementary material describes the construction of this figure as follows
Now what you need to know about the IBS matrix, is that it is computed without reference to any prior clustering of the data. In case someone else decides to argue this point without doing their own research, here are the definitions:
[The IBS matrix is a] square, symmetric matrix of the IBS distances for all pairs of individuals
and further
and finally
source
What is important here is that at no point as we trace through the definitions needed to understand how the principal components were constructed, is any data other than the DNA of the individuals used. So from these quotes, even the most reluctant reader can see that the graph I originally linked to was constructed without any prior knowledge of the races of the 938 individuals (except of course for the color of the dots).
Now you are of course free to argue what the principal componets do and do not represent. But you are no longer in a position to argue that they were constructed in order to visualize a clustering that we had already assumed. They were not.
I beg to differ! I am a direct descendent of the first ever human(s) lol.
It seems the Jews and the Roma are the real winners here.
> Adds ananyo: "The test is of-course nonsense, and notions of 'racial purity' have long been discredited."
Nothing non-sense! In 2007 Professor Fridakis famously DNA-sequenced a serial girl-killer as a black afro-caribbean, even though the guy had long been looked for as a white caucasian, based on unsure eye-witnesses and false psycho profiling. The killer was caught, indeed negro and his garden yielded a mass grave. He was sentenced to death and is now sitting on the death row. Soon after, Frudakis's gene lab company was shuttered on political and economic pressure.
Read all about that case on Wired:
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/10/dnaprint?currentPage=all
BTW, if you don't know, the gipsy or tzigane or romani are a dark-skinned tribe that left North India in the 10th century and arrived into Central Europe by the 1400s. They are thiefs, violence-doers, fortune-teller fraudsters and a whole baby-production factory line. Any gipsy woman with less than 6 off-springs is shunned by the tribe. Since gipsy male are often in prison, the last one or two kids are often sired by the eldest son of a woman, leading to genetical degradation due to in-breeding.
Neo nezi government? They are spending for gipsy minority education and integration programs billions. Also they spending billions for gipsies' aids (unfortunately a huge amount of money are stolen by gipsy organizations' leaders like Orban Kolompar, Viktoria Mohacsi). If it's so bad for them from how they could buy luxury cars what other working people couldn't?
If they were neo-nazis they would support the so-called white hungarian people but now as all of the other governments they are supporting only themselves as all of the other parties in Hungary.
What are you talkin about is the jobbik they are a minority in the hungarian parlament (16%). About this test not just lot of people (of other parties supporter) wondering how could be somebody so stupid like this one, but lot of Jobbik supporters are disagree with this kind of stupidity.
Just a picture about Viktor Orban (the leader of the so-called neo-nazi government) :
http://erlauer5.nolblog.hu/files/2010/09/orban_metzger%20%5B800x600%5D.jpg
Anyway I think in Hungary everybody welcome outlanders if they are working, able to have cultured behave. Yes unfortunately lot of gipsy people in Hungary are living from crimes (plus the aid) and because of this have lots of people prejudgement against them. But if they working (and usually if they working they are working hard as they can to prove that they are good people) nobody has problems with them. About jews I think they have a very good place in Hungary. Very very small amount of people have problems with them in real life, they have lot of schools, synagogues, and lot of cultural events. Of course some people trying to ride the small wave and make it bigger to get popularity and votes (saying that all of them are bad but they are not in the government and this is not Jobbik).
Its just a matter of time before someone is going to try to genetically engineer superintelligent humans.
There's a whole bunch of reason why that's not possible without resorting to external hardware additions. Our brains have been optimized by a billion years of evolution and the gains to be had are very tiny, unless you want to rebuild the whole thing from scratch ! The main limit is energetic: our brain already consumes an awful lot of energy to run even in 'sleep' mode. But there are other limits like the number of neurons, the number of connections, evacuation of waste heat, etc... Read a paper about that recently and it was interesting.
Non-Linux Penguins ?
You should know that most (probably all but I don't have all day) of those examples are inaccurate (some to the point of being ridiculous), incomplete, or have the meaning changed by being taken out of context. For example see this site which offers actual explanations.
10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them." and 5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording." from the jews own laws in the talmud. Are you jewish? Of course your answer can't be trusted if you say now per the above.
How much time did you spent with researching the Elizabeth Bathory story before making those edits on wikipedia? Hammer movies and sites not citing sources, like straight dope do not count.
Of course, B movie style, unthinkably sadistic mass murders are much more probable as real events, as politically motivated trials based on fabricated claims by the Habsburgs, who could easily get any amount of witnesses about anything after the right amounts of torture.
And it is really impressive that you are actually bragging about protecting and maintaining bullshit popular culture myths. *slow clap*
Mitochondria are the energy factories of cells. They could indirectly negatively affect any other part of the body if the mDNA is damaged. Likewise a coding for higher energy efficiency in neuronal mitochondria could result in better neural operation, resulting in higher intelligence. But then it would be likely that the same person would have better energy efficiency in all cells. Perhaps higher metabolism overall etc. (intelligent skinny people?). (intelligent skinny jews?). Its possible.
There is certainly the risk for some very devestating effects on the brain and body from malfunctioning mitochondria. That does however not necessarily imply that different mitochondria will work very differently when they do perform their function.
That is, of the (few) viable human mitochondria genomes we know of, there doesn't have to be much difference in function just because mutations into non-viable mitochondria genomes have strong degenerative effects. Not saying there couldn't possibly be such differences, but it would return the burden of proof to you to show some research to demonstrate this (different mDNA leading to differences in traits for example such as intelligence) to be the case.
Does anyone have any idea of which genes were tested? I've gone through many of the comments to see if this specifics were part of the discussion but no such luck.
The discussion reminds me of the Polish election where the likes of Walesa and his opponents were arguing over who had the least Jewish ancestry. Given there are few Jews in Poland then or now, people were beating themselves over mirages of their long-standing prejudices.
Interesting points, and it makes me wonder why "The test is of-course nonsense". One need not be racist to acknowledge that there are genetic differences between groups of people.
In Reason We Trust
Racial religion, god's chosen race, laws against outbreeding.
It is that simple.
Mitochondria do pretty much one thing: convert sugar to energy for the cell. It doesn't control any development despite a malfunction having severe effects.
Grar II
So ... 'Mitochondria' are not passed from Jedi to Jedi then?
So not only can you say nothing about intelligence based on mDNA but mDNA is worthless for anything other than paternity and descendence studies.
Wait -- How can you use mDNA for determining paternity? It's only passed via the maternal line. I seem to have missed something about mitochondrial DNA ...
(Actually, I've read claims that the occasional sperm cell contains one or more mitochondria. So it's possible that a tiny amount of our mitochondrial DNA comes from a male ancestor. )
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
Some people get a joke, some don't...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.