Or how about actually enforcing this on Bush and Cheney? After all their own IT department says they "lost" the emails and can't be retrieved. So, if you want Bush to veto this law, add a line which states it applies to Bush and Cheney,and you will see it vetoed faster than hillary says "woo hoo!"
Hey, italians don't cheat at football. They just play more aggressively and use 'creativity' to win matches. Much like Enron and Citi used 'creative' accounting to make profits. Much like Microsoft used 'creative' sales of XP to avoid taxes.
Its not that easy like radios. TCP/IP was not designed for that. And switching from HTTP to FTP or even UDP thousands of times a second is counterproductive. Ultimately you would spend 10 hours to download a 2 MB file. There are vast differences between radio and TCP/IP.
Like comparing flying the jap zero fighter contraption to a modern day F-15 Eagle fighter. The sheer amount of steps required to prepare the eagle for flight versus the zero is the difference.
How about some real biting teeth into their bill of rights. Make it as a contract with criminal penalties that comcast makes with each customer. Violation of some terms involve serious jail time for CEO. Violation of some terms involve heavy financial penalties like 25% of pre-tax profit to be paid to affected parties. Violation of some terms involve light financial penalties like $100,000 to $250,000 payable to affected party.
free internet is special, and worth fighting for, but not at the point of corrupting the very principles we are fighting for Probably if our founder fathers have thought along same lines, we would not be free even today or probably would be a commonwealth. War is a dirty business. Second World War is where you came close to clearly defining in black and white the good and bad guys. Yet US and allies did fight a dirty war for the very causes they swore to defend. As you said, there has always been corruption and injustice.
And if that corruption is useful for the larger good, then i say do it.
Give the ISPs a taste of their medicine, and see them respond.
After all they are soulless corporates led by CEOs who have 8 houses and a mistress while our only homes are being foreclosed.
Ahhh, my friend, you are showing your liberal colors. The government's sole responsibility is to collect money from you as taxes. And to spend them on $449 toilet seats and $1 trillion on a war only 28% of people approve.
Oh, so that means i can't carry my iBook as handbaggage anymore? Sweet, just sweet.
So i have to check it in and have the risk of it stolen (and the government will refund me ZERO dollars, in fact it will charge me for complaints), OR risk being taken away from my cold dead hands at the airport as a bunch of super-protected, M4 carbine armed SWAT team slowly circles around my dead body surrounded by a cloud of gunpowder smoke while the remaining passengers are hastily dismantling their laptops and discarding their DVD drives...
A class 2 laser is good enough for most people, and if you really need a bigger one Probably you need a class 3 or 4 to prove your mahood or whatever is that you aussies need to prove. And while you are at it, have you thought about classifying led-light flashlights as weapons? They too are bright, shiny and powerful enough. Also metal forks and metal spoons: They can used as deadly weapons in an assault by kids at home. Also the plastic carrybags that Coles and Woolworths sooo love to hand out: They are deadly too. One kid can choke another. Have you seen Urban Legends movie? Also sharp pencils man! You need to ban them too, and not just at home. At schools and planes too. After all a sharply pointed pencil can poke the eyes out for REAL.
Also ban water: Oh i forgot, you guys don't have any. Anyway still ban it: After all the pesky US uses it for waterboarding.
Ban heavy books too: I could use it to beat you to death for your incredible stupidity and incredible reasoning.
I always thought Australia is where the Empire sent its criminals. I never thought that is where failed Darwin Award winners also ended up.
the cops will STILL not bust into someone's home to recover your laptop. But the same cops will come with a SWAT team to your home if the RIAA or BSA or MPAA even "suggests" they raid your home. Note, they suggest, these guys do not even have a warrant, but the sheriff will come a'blastin' both barrels into your home, destroy your PC, and when they are wrong, they say sorry and get away.
Oh.. you are an European? I envy you guys. Your ISPs have Net Neutrality enforced on them by law (finland), and in germany the cops cannot insert spyware into PCs, in France you are forced to allow others to compete else the state beats your head with a mallet, in Norway i can get a bankcruptcy declaration against a large corporate if it fails to pay me even EUR 1,00 that it owes to me.
And your medical insurance schemes make it possible for me to pay $39 for an x-ray in paris compared to $300 in US.
Possibly US could be there IF both parties are dissolved and all their leaders prohibited for life from politics, and laws are passed preventing corporate ownership of news media, and NO consolidation/monopoly media.
You are right. But you are also idealistic. And you belong in the Jefferson era. Your approach would not work in today's times, where corporates rule the roost without even having a vote or responsibility. Laws can be circumvented easily through stooges, loopholes, sympathetic judges, presidents-pardoning-criminals, etc.
At a time when might is right, it makes sense to apply the same rules to those twist the law and cheat. Take for instance Microsoft's recent troubles: Its EULA clearly state XP is NOT sold, but only licensed, to prevent us from tampering or reselling it. The same EULA was used by one US State to force Microsoft to pay taxes on such license fees. Microsoft tried to weasel out, but was caught by its own EULA. Now they can't avoid paying taxes because their EULA says its license fees, and they can't remove the EULA, because hackers would have a field day in selling legitimate copies of modified XP!
If large corporates can change the spirit of the law to suit themselves and perform unethical and clearly border-illegal acts like throttling, disconnecting without notice, then so can we.
After all US has the Super 501 laws which state that any country's laws which are discriminative against US products would have those same laws adopted by US against them!
If the government says its OK to have an eye-for-eye attitude, then it is OK for me too!
I used BitTorrent more during holidays to...download various linux distros, exchange vacation photos and videos with my friends, 'tested' my router, 'tested' comcast whether it complied with its own policy, downloaded movies i BOUGHT from BitTorrent.com and downloaded Farenheit 9/11 about 3 times just to be sure (after all Michael Moore allowed me to do).
So saying bittorrent usage is higher == movie/music stealing is higher is like saying iam getting poorer because the bush government's tax cuts benefit the rich only. Wait! Isn't that true? Sorry, its linking my home foreclosure with Bear Stearns bailout. Wait! Dammit Fox news, you have made me think like an idiot!
Why can't we just convict the CEOs of child endagerment and send them to jail? For instance someone delibrately hacks ISP pass-thru server, inserts child pr0n into it; streams it to the user; who when arrested by FBI proves in court it was the ISP who changed the pages; and gets the CEO to serve time with bubba! Yes it does require coordinated well directed effort, but then many would like to play the false flag operations especially if its for a good cause.
I say we do it.
Make a couple of ISP's pay, in jail time, especially the middle-ones, and suddenly you would see the larger fish playing nice and net neutral and crap.
After all that's what the Bush government does, right? It fights dirty, floats Swift Boat ads, leaks out CIA agent names, tortures, use FOX news as mouthpiece, etc.
Play the same game they play.
I guess if ParMaster or the old-age hackers were still alive, they would rise to this challenge.
Yup. Put a couple of taps on the PM's phone, with realtime relay of all his telephone calls over radio and TCP. After all if he can listen to us, we can listen to whoever is wasting our money.
So why doesn't the government let the bad-decison-making investment banks die? After all if you and i made an improper decision and went into debt, we have to declare bankruptcy. The government does not lift a finger to help us, not even by giving us back our social security.
Similarly companies should be allowed to die. About a dozen banks go belly up, and the rest will get smarter. That is evolution. But then this government believes in Creationism, so i may be wrong.
All this hoopla about TBTF (coined by a senator in 1985 if i remember), is bullshit. After all, the Second bank of United States was dissolved and US did not die with it.
I say, Bear Stearns and Citi should be allowed to pay the price and dismantled, with assets sold in auction.
I suggest we put a monitor at all *.senate.gov addresses, *.whitehouse.gov and *.nsa.gov Plus Joe Biden is a public figure, meaning his private life is open too! So, lets tack on his home telephone numbers, home internet connection, and his 3 cellphones (1 gov provided, 1 his own, and one belonging to spitzer-similar-mistress) And i say we make the records available 24x7
Is any senator/congressman man enough to introduce such a resolution? If not, they are all pussies.
It's about kicking him in the balls and then shooting him dead when he's on the ground Guess that's what cheney is doing right now to his enemies: The people of USA. Kicking them with record foreclosures, and donating money to banks which have 'lost' money in foreclosures, while disregarding the plight of the man who has lost his home to ARM. Plus, the increasing price of gas which hits the man doubly when he has lost his home BECAUSE some greedy bank raised payment from $800 to $3600 suddenly.
Nope. Nixon did it. Roosevelt did it temporarily for wartime. It was restored after Bretton Woods as implicit Gold Standard.
I guess Republicans are ALWAYS harmful to the economy. Have been always and will be. They were responsible for "elastic money", the creation of the Fed, the fiat money, moving away from gold coinage system, etc.
The democrats will never learn the lesson, because they never understand what the test is. Force is the only thing republicans understand and a three-dimensional assault is what the dems must do to reclaim the country from economy-wrecking-republicans. Unfortunately democrats are interested only in popularity contests and Hillary is like Joe Lieberman albeit worse since unlike Lieberman, she pretends to be a democrat to win the election. As McCain said, he would like to meet Hillary in November rather than Obama.
I seriously hope now that McCain wins the election. It is the ultimate blow to the spineless democrats and that should make them see what lesson the people are trying to teach them.
Would you explain how RIAA thinks copying music is Piracy??? Piracy is reserved for marine armed attack by militias. Do we all don black masks, a beard, fly the pirate flag and attack our CDs or attack RIAA HQ? Well, if you have an explanation i can explain adding child endangerment to laws against corporates.
The democratic majority are a bunch of feckless, financially corrupt, morally vacant lot who soil the name of "Old Hickory". They WILL NOT, repeat WILL NOT ever even try to impeach or censure any republican (even a lowly mayor even if found guilty of prostitution) because they know the full weight of republican machine would fall on their heads.
Is this the same bunch of democrats that FDR and old hickory led? Is this the same bunch of democrats who defiantly defeated the Second Bank of United States and its republican backed money-power? Is this the same bunch of democrats who enforced Gold and Silver coinage and made sure republican weenies never controlled economy in early 1800s?
I doubt it.
This whole bunch of dems SHOULD lose ALL their seats in coming elections, especially nancy pelosi for sucking up to Bush and Cheney. I guess if cheney publicly slapped nancy in face in the senate, she would smile and wave and say he was swatting a mosquito on her face.
Take the republicans now: They are a unified lot, show a lot of initiative, make sure to take the fight to the enemy camp, and generally destroy their enemy even when their forces are weak.
Republicans remind me of the fearsome Wehrmacht with its soldiers trained endlessely to show initiative.
The democrats remind me of Gamelin-led troops of France in 1940. Weak, inefficient, and on bright star Obama who is bogged down by idiots and losers.
Self regulation is crap. If comcast thinks they need to self-regulate, then what harm is there in making it as law? After all as Bush often claims, why do you worry about surveillance, if you are not breaking the law? I suggest FCC adopt comcast's sell-regulation, make it as a felony to break it and say to comcast: "If you break this, your CEO and the board would goto jail on charges of perjury and child endargement."
they're certainly going to be looking at every possible way of cutting costs and generating additional income They could start by cutting the salaries of Branson and his Brat pack first. I dare the board to reduce the salaries of Tier-1 management to about $55,000 a year first. Then let them screw the customers.
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Or how about actually enforcing this on Bush and Cheney?
After all their own IT department says they "lost" the emails and can't be retrieved.
So, if you want Bush to veto this law, add a line which states it applies to Bush and Cheney,and you will see it vetoed faster than hillary says "woo hoo!"
Hey, italians don't cheat at football.
They just play more aggressively and use 'creativity' to win matches.
Much like Enron and Citi used 'creative' accounting to make profits.
Much like Microsoft used 'creative' sales of XP to avoid taxes.
As long as its not illegal, am not cheating.
Its not that easy like radios.
TCP/IP was not designed for that.
And switching from HTTP to FTP or even UDP thousands of times a second is counterproductive.
Ultimately you would spend 10 hours to download a 2 MB file.
There are vast differences between radio and TCP/IP.
Like comparing flying the jap zero fighter contraption to a modern day F-15 Eagle fighter.
The sheer amount of steps required to prepare the eagle for flight versus the zero is the difference.
How about some real biting teeth into their bill of rights.
Make it as a contract with criminal penalties that comcast makes with each customer.
Violation of some terms involve serious jail time for CEO.
Violation of some terms involve heavy financial penalties like 25% of pre-tax profit to be paid to affected parties.
Violation of some terms involve light financial penalties like $100,000 to $250,000 payable to affected party.
Comcast are you game for it?
War is a dirty business.
Second World War is where you came close to clearly defining in black and white the good and bad guys.
Yet US and allies did fight a dirty war for the very causes they swore to defend.
As you said, there has always been corruption and injustice.
And if that corruption is useful for the larger good, then i say do it.
Give the ISPs a taste of their medicine, and see them respond.
After all they are soulless corporates led by CEOs who have 8 houses and a mistress while our only homes are being foreclosed.
The government's sole responsibility is to collect money from you as taxes.
And to spend them on $449 toilet seats and $1 trillion on a war only 28% of people approve.
Oh, so that means i can't carry my iBook as handbaggage anymore?
Sweet, just sweet.
So i have to check it in and have the risk of it stolen (and the government will refund me ZERO dollars, in fact it will charge me for complaints), OR risk being taken away from my cold dead hands at the airport as a bunch of super-protected, M4 carbine armed SWAT team slowly circles around my dead body surrounded by a cloud of gunpowder smoke while the remaining passengers are hastily dismantling their laptops and discarding their DVD drives...
And while you are at it, have you thought about classifying led-light flashlights as weapons? They too are bright, shiny and powerful enough.
Also metal forks and metal spoons: They can used as deadly weapons in an assault by kids at home.
Also the plastic carrybags that Coles and Woolworths sooo love to hand out: They are deadly too. One kid can choke another. Have you seen Urban Legends movie?
Also sharp pencils man! You need to ban them too, and not just at home. At schools and planes too. After all a sharply pointed pencil can poke the eyes out for REAL.
Also ban water: Oh i forgot, you guys don't have any. Anyway still ban it: After all the pesky US uses it for waterboarding.
Ban heavy books too: I could use it to beat you to death for your incredible stupidity and incredible reasoning.
I always thought Australia is where the Empire sent its criminals. I never thought that is where failed Darwin Award winners also ended up.
Note, they suggest, these guys do not even have a warrant, but the sheriff will come a'blastin' both barrels into your home, destroy your PC, and when they are wrong, they say sorry and get away.
Oh.. you are an European? I envy you guys. Your ISPs have Net Neutrality enforced on them by law (finland), and in germany the cops cannot insert spyware into PCs, in France you are forced to allow others to compete else the state beats your head with a mallet, in Norway i can get a bankcruptcy declaration against a large corporate if it fails to pay me even EUR 1,00 that it owes to me.
And your medical insurance schemes make it possible for me to pay $39 for an x-ray in paris compared to $300 in US.
Possibly US could be there IF both parties are dissolved and all their leaders prohibited for life from politics, and laws are passed preventing corporate ownership of news media, and NO consolidation/monopoly media.
But then...am dreaming.
You are right.
But you are also idealistic. And you belong in the Jefferson era.
Your approach would not work in today's times, where corporates rule the roost without even having a vote or responsibility.
Laws can be circumvented easily through stooges, loopholes, sympathetic judges, presidents-pardoning-criminals, etc.
At a time when might is right, it makes sense to apply the same rules to those twist the law and cheat. Take for instance Microsoft's recent troubles: Its EULA clearly state XP is NOT sold, but only licensed, to prevent us from tampering or reselling it. The same EULA was used by one US State to force Microsoft to pay taxes on such license fees. Microsoft tried to weasel out, but was caught by its own EULA. Now they can't avoid paying taxes because their EULA says its license fees, and they can't remove the EULA, because hackers would have a field day in selling legitimate copies of modified XP!
If large corporates can change the spirit of the law to suit themselves and perform unethical and clearly border-illegal acts like throttling, disconnecting without notice, then so can we.
After all US has the Super 501 laws which state that any country's laws which are discriminative against US products would have those same laws adopted by US against them!
If the government says its OK to have an eye-for-eye attitude, then it is OK for me too!
I used BitTorrent more during holidays to...download various linux distros, exchange vacation photos and videos with my friends, 'tested' my router, 'tested' comcast whether it complied with its own policy, downloaded movies i BOUGHT from BitTorrent.com and downloaded Farenheit 9/11 about 3 times just to be sure (after all Michael Moore allowed me to do).
So saying bittorrent usage is higher == movie/music stealing is higher is like saying iam getting poorer because the bush government's tax cuts benefit the rich only. Wait! Isn't that true? Sorry, its linking my home foreclosure with Bear Stearns bailout. Wait! Dammit Fox news, you have made me think like an idiot!
Why can't we just convict the CEOs of child endagerment and send them to jail?
For instance someone delibrately hacks ISP pass-thru server, inserts child pr0n into it; streams it to the user; who when arrested by FBI proves in court it was the ISP who changed the pages; and gets the CEO to serve time with bubba!
Yes it does require coordinated well directed effort, but then many would like to play the false flag operations especially if its for a good cause.
I say we do it.
Make a couple of ISP's pay, in jail time, especially the middle-ones, and suddenly you would see the larger fish playing nice and net neutral and crap.
After all that's what the Bush government does, right? It fights dirty, floats Swift Boat ads, leaks out CIA agent names, tortures, use FOX news as mouthpiece, etc.
Play the same game they play.
I guess if ParMaster or the old-age hackers were still alive, they would rise to this challenge.
Yup. Put a couple of taps on the PM's phone, with realtime relay of all his telephone calls over radio and TCP.
After all if he can listen to us, we can listen to whoever is wasting our money.
You mean to say the B-52s which flew nukes around the country were controlled by robots???
So why doesn't the government let the bad-decison-making investment banks die?
After all if you and i made an improper decision and went into debt, we have to declare bankruptcy.
The government does not lift a finger to help us, not even by giving us back our social security.
Similarly companies should be allowed to die. About a dozen banks go belly up, and the rest will get smarter.
That is evolution.
But then this government believes in Creationism, so i may be wrong.
All this hoopla about TBTF (coined by a senator in 1985 if i remember), is bullshit. After all, the Second bank of United States was dissolved and US did not die with it.
I say, Bear Stearns and Citi should be allowed to pay the price and dismantled, with assets sold in auction.
I suggest we put a monitor at all *.senate.gov addresses, *.whitehouse.gov and *.nsa.gov
Plus Joe Biden is a public figure, meaning his private life is open too!
So, lets tack on his home telephone numbers, home internet connection, and his 3 cellphones (1 gov provided, 1 his own, and one belonging to spitzer-similar-mistress)
And i say we make the records available 24x7
Is any senator/congressman man enough to introduce such a resolution?
If not, they are all pussies.
Kicking them with record foreclosures, and donating money to banks which have 'lost' money in foreclosures, while disregarding the plight of the man who has lost his home to ARM.
Plus, the increasing price of gas which hits the man doubly when he has lost his home BECAUSE some greedy bank raised payment from $800 to $3600 suddenly.
Nope. Nixon did it. Roosevelt did it temporarily for wartime. It was restored after Bretton Woods as implicit Gold Standard.
I guess Republicans are ALWAYS harmful to the economy.
Have been always and will be.
They were responsible for "elastic money", the creation of the Fed, the fiat money, moving away from gold coinage system, etc.
The democrats will never learn the lesson, because they never understand what the test is.
Force is the only thing republicans understand and a three-dimensional assault is what the dems must do to reclaim the country from economy-wrecking-republicans.
Unfortunately democrats are interested only in popularity contests and Hillary is like Joe Lieberman albeit worse since unlike Lieberman, she pretends to be a democrat to win the election.
As McCain said, he would like to meet Hillary in November rather than Obama.
I seriously hope now that McCain wins the election. It is the ultimate blow to the spineless democrats and that should make them see what lesson the people are trying to teach them.
Would you explain how RIAA thinks copying music is Piracy??? Piracy is reserved for marine armed attack by militias.
Do we all don black masks, a beard, fly the pirate flag and attack our CDs or attack RIAA HQ?
Well, if you have an explanation i can explain adding child endangerment to laws against corporates.
The democratic majority are a bunch of feckless, financially corrupt, morally vacant lot who soil the name of "Old Hickory".
They WILL NOT, repeat WILL NOT ever even try to impeach or censure any republican (even a lowly mayor even if found guilty of prostitution) because they know the full weight of republican machine would fall on their heads.
Is this the same bunch of democrats that FDR and old hickory led?
Is this the same bunch of democrats who defiantly defeated the Second Bank of United States and its republican backed money-power?
Is this the same bunch of democrats who enforced Gold and Silver coinage and made sure republican weenies never controlled economy in early 1800s?
I doubt it.
This whole bunch of dems SHOULD lose ALL their seats in coming elections, especially nancy pelosi for sucking up to Bush and Cheney.
I guess if cheney publicly slapped nancy in face in the senate, she would smile and wave and say he was swatting a mosquito on her face.
Take the republicans now: They are a unified lot, show a lot of initiative, make sure to take the fight to the enemy camp, and generally destroy their enemy even when their forces are weak.
Republicans remind me of the fearsome Wehrmacht with its soldiers trained endlessely to show initiative.
The democrats remind me of Gamelin-led troops of France in 1940. Weak, inefficient, and on bright star Obama who is bogged down by idiots and losers.
Self regulation is crap.
If comcast thinks they need to self-regulate, then what harm is there in making it as law?
After all as Bush often claims, why do you worry about surveillance, if you are not breaking the law?
I suggest FCC adopt comcast's sell-regulation, make it as a felony to break it and say to comcast: "If you break this, your CEO and the board would goto jail on charges of perjury and child endargement."
Abrams is a name.
I dare the board to reduce the salaries of Tier-1 management to about $55,000 a year first.
Then let them screw the customers.