No, YOU don't get out that easily. To the question of "Why are blacks, on average, notably poorer than whites?", you are the one who stated that the two possible answers are either it's because they are somehow inferior or a result of slavery and subsequent repression after which you then stated "If it's the latter, however, one could argue that, seing as it was this nation's fault for creating the situation, we should do something to fix it."
at no point did you allow for the possibility that social engineering by a large bureaucratic government might hinder rectification of the situation which prompted my bringing up that possibility with the implication that the people were better suited to fix the problem if the government would get out of the way, I even provided a URL to an essay that had statistics to support the notion, instead of addressing the idea, you demand a proposal from me, presume an answer of "do nothing" and then make some insane leap to a caste system
until you:
1. address the possibility that social engineering by the government might be ineffective 2. address the statistics in the given URL that suggest black Americans were making better progress before Johnson's "government help" and 3. bridge the gulf between, the idea that people and society can better rectify the situation without government interference, and "If your answer is "do nothing", we might as well go ahead and call it a caste system."
I will give you nothing further as all of your posts lead me to the conclusion that you are a bigot and any further discussions with you would be a waste of time.
"If it's the latter, however, one could argue that, seing as it was this nation's fault for creating the situation, we should do something to fix it."
yes, one could argue that, of course one could that the fault was with the people at the time, and not "the nation" a nice external scapegoat that lets you perpetually place the blame on shoulders that didn't even exist at the time...
one could also argue that people could better rectify the situation themselves without getting a massive, inefficient bureaucracy involved:
Maybe that indicates that professionals if fields other than medicine and law should require some kind of license in order to practice in some areas of their field.
His degree wasn't revoked because of changing modes and fads. His transgression had an impact beyond himself and his employer. For reference:
http://home.t-online.de/home/Bernhard.Hiller/ext er n/NewScientist.176_2363_05.html
From the above:
"All these reports of breakthroughs must now be scrapped because the experiments on which they are based were run by Schön alone. The case is bound to do untold damage to the reputation of the field in the eyes of investors..."
"But for researchers trying to repeat Schön's superconductivity results, the past few years have been wasted, according to Paul McEuen of Cornell University, one of the first people to spot the danger signs in Schön's papers. 'There's a lot of lost effort by people and that's one of the tragedies, especially for students and postdocs.'"
I don't know about the rest of you, but if I was in grad school, knee-deep my thesis and suddenly found out the basis for my topic was bogus, I'd adorn him with a fake nose and hand him over to Sir Bedevere.
"there was a case a while back where one politicians thesis was found to be very blatant copying from another work - yet he got to keep his PhD."
I thought that was the standard for awarding PhDs for politicians, why would they take it away?:)
"they are certification that you successfully met a series of requirements, none of which include being a decent and honorable person."
There's not an honor requirement at the college you teach?
"This is part of a general principle: Once you assign the degree, no post-degree behavior should alter your judgement that this person fulfilled the requiremens for the degree."
That may be part of your general principle but as other posts have indicated, the laws in Germany don't agree.
"A committee of 12 professors at his alma mater in southern Germany decided after its own review to strip Schoen of the doctorate in physics he earned in 1998 and asked him to return his diploma, Dieterich said. Schoen has a month to appeal.
Aside from that,
"We cannot pretend to alter the past, and say someone did not accomplish what they did, even if we later decide we do not like him."
LOL, I know you didn't mean that to be a joke but I couldn't help laughing:)
"RTFA. He has cheated while at Bell Labs, not at the university. Maybe you should check some facts yourself before accusing people of not knowing what they are talking about?"
I agree, I had the same experience (May '03 grad as well). My school also had classes on ASIC, SoC, Parallel Programming, Real-Time & Embedded, DSP, etc.
Although my university had Comp. Eng. under the Elec. Eng. department, I noticed while doing some browsing that some colleges have the Comp Eng. curriculum as part of the Comp. Sci. department. I may be wrong but it seems like this is bound to cause problems in the future.
I wonder if that is part of the reason I was constantly asked about the difference between Comp. Sci. and Comp. Eng. at job fairs. It didn't suprise me that much when I fielded the question from HR folks but I didn't expect it from mid-level management who were trained as engineers.
"It didn't take a Jar Jar character in the US Senate when it voted to give Bush the power to wage war.."
agreed...it took 77 Jar Jar characters in the Senate and 296 Jar Jar characters in the House. Of course, why the rest of the Jar Jar characters in the Legislature voted otherwise will always be a mystery...
"Eurogamer: But this requires other hardware manufacturers to make consoles compatible with your technology...
J Allard: Well, it requires that, but it also requires you to start building enough software distraction that the creators aren't focused on the hardware limitations because they're focused on the software. This is what happened in the PC space if you dial back a hundred years ago, in the PC space, the operating systems were customised to the hardware, the applications were customised to the operating systems, it was a complete mess, prices were incredibly high, adoption was incredibly low, innovation was incredibly low, and it just wasn't a very efficient market."
hahahahaha..I can't stop laughing long enough to realize I don't even know where to begin...hahahahaha...
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No, YOU don't get out that easily. To the question of "Why are blacks, on average, notably poorer than whites?", you are the one who stated that the two possible answers are either it's because they are somehow inferior or a result of slavery and subsequent repression after which you then stated "If it's the latter, however, one could argue that, seing as it was this nation's fault for creating the situation, we should do something to fix it."
at no point did you allow for the possibility that social engineering by a large bureaucratic government might hinder rectification of the situation which prompted my bringing up that possibility with the implication that the people were better suited to fix the problem if the government would get out of the way, I even provided a URL to an essay that had statistics to support the notion, instead of addressing the idea, you demand a proposal from me, presume an answer of "do nothing" and then make some insane leap to a caste system
until you:
1. address the possibility that social engineering by the government might be ineffective
2. address the statistics in the given URL that suggest black Americans were making better progress before Johnson's "government help" and
3. bridge the gulf between, the idea that people and society can better rectify the situation without government interference, and "If your answer is "do nothing", we might as well go ahead and call it a caste system."
I will give you nothing further as all of your posts lead me to the conclusion that you are a bigot and any further discussions with you would be a waste of time.
"If it's the latter, however, one could argue that, seing as it was this nation's fault for creating the situation, we should do something to fix it."
/ ts 20040817.shtml
yes, one could argue that, of course one could that the fault was with the people at the time, and not "the nation" a nice external scapegoat that lets you perpetually place the blame on shoulders that didn't even exist at the time...
one could also argue that people could better rectify the situation themselves without getting a massive, inefficient bureaucracy involved:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell
How can you rest your case without answers to your questions?
Seriously, how many of those examples have PhDs in business adminisatration? I don't know, and unless you offer proof I don't believe you know either.
Maybe that indicates that professionals if fields other than medicine and law should require some kind of license in order to practice in some areas of their field.
t er n/NewScientist.176_2363_05.html
His degree wasn't revoked because of changing modes and fads. His transgression had an impact beyond himself and his employer. For reference:
http://home.t-online.de/home/Bernhard.Hiller/ex
From the above:
"All these reports of breakthroughs must now be scrapped because the experiments on which they are based were run by Schön alone. The case is bound to do untold damage to the reputation of the field in the eyes of investors..."
"But for researchers trying to repeat Schön's superconductivity results, the past few years have been wasted, according to Paul McEuen of Cornell University, one of the first people to spot the danger signs in Schön's papers. 'There's a lot of lost effort by people and that's one of the tragedies, especially for students and postdocs.'"
I don't know about the rest of you, but if I was in grad school, knee-deep my thesis and suddenly found out the basis for my topic was bogus, I'd adorn him with a fake nose and hand him over to Sir Bedevere.
"there was a case a while back where one politicians thesis was found to be very blatant copying from another work - yet he got to keep his PhD." I thought that was the standard for awarding PhDs for politicians, why would they take it away? :)
LOL, if I could I would so mod that funny :)
"they are certification that you successfully met a series of requirements, none of which include being a decent and honorable person."
There's not an honor requirement at the college you teach?
"This is part of a general principle: Once you assign the degree, no post-degree behavior should alter your judgement that this person fulfilled the requiremens for the degree."
That may be part of your general principle but as other posts have indicated, the laws in Germany don't agree.
It should be noted from TFA:
:)
"A committee of 12 professors at his alma mater in southern Germany decided after its own review to strip Schoen of the doctorate in physics he earned in 1998 and asked him to return his diploma, Dieterich said. Schoen has a month to appeal.
Aside from that,
"We cannot pretend to alter the past, and say someone did not accomplish what they did, even if we later decide we do not like him."
LOL, I know you didn't mean that to be a joke but I couldn't help laughing
"RTFA. He has cheated while at Bell Labs, not at the university. Maybe you should check some facts yourself before accusing people of not knowing what they are talking about?"
l ler/fraud -27.htm
From:
http://home.t-online.de/home/Bernhard.Hi
"He is suspected to have falsified data also during his stay at University of Konstanz, according to the committee."
I'm not going to vouch for the accuracy of the above link but TFA is not the sole source of facts for the case.
I agree, I had the same experience (May '03 grad as well). My school also had classes on ASIC, SoC, Parallel Programming, Real-Time & Embedded, DSP, etc.
Although my university had Comp. Eng. under the Elec. Eng. department, I noticed while doing some browsing that some colleges have the Comp Eng. curriculum as part of the Comp. Sci. department.
I may be wrong but it seems like this is bound to cause problems in the future.
I wonder if that is part of the reason I was constantly asked about the difference between Comp. Sci. and Comp. Eng. at job fairs. It didn't suprise me that much when I fielded the question from HR folks but I didn't expect it from mid-level management who were trained as engineers.
it could have been worse. you could have filked Black Flag with a Star Wars reference. "Amidala's got the Ten and a Half!"
"It didn't take a Jar Jar character in the US Senate when it voted to give Bush the power to wage war.."
agreed...it took 77 Jar Jar characters in the Senate and 296 Jar Jar characters in the House. Of course, why the rest of the Jar Jar characters in the Legislature voted otherwise will always be a mystery...
"Eurogamer: But this requires other hardware manufacturers to make consoles compatible with your technology...
J Allard: Well, it requires that, but it also requires you to start building enough software distraction that the creators aren't focused on the hardware limitations because they're focused on the software. This is what happened in the PC space if you dial back a hundred years ago, in the PC space, the operating systems were customised to the hardware, the applications were customised to the operating systems, it was a complete mess, prices were incredibly high, adoption was incredibly low, innovation was incredibly low, and it just wasn't a very efficient market."
hahahahaha..I can't stop laughing long enough to realize I don't even know where to begin...hahahahaha...