I thought webmobs are like flashmobs, but on the web as they write in the webmobs manifesto http://www.webmobs.de/manifesto.html. There seem to be 2 different meanings of the same word.
I wonder why all of them are called 'social'. Yes you can communicate wit people, but finally it is all asynchronous communication. I wonder why they do not actually show people on these pages and services. There is virtual presence. I beg you social service providers, please make people aware of each other while they are on the page. This would make the service really social. Users could meet each other live, while they are there. I don't dare posting a URL, because it sounds like an ad. Search google for the Jabber Virtual Presence Project. This is what we need to become really social on the Web.
Yes I remember. It was the Interactive Model Railroad at University of Ulm, Germany. Starting in 1995 it operated 2 trains running between 3 platforms and a webcam. It got 1 Mio. visitors in 1995 (!). Images from the first model railroad of the Web: here.
There is a diffence between meeting real and virtually. There are so many people who socialize on the net, but not in the real world. They are great warriors and mighty mages, starship captains and Jedi. They communicate thru avatars. I wonder if they would like to take their avatar to the Web.
Right, one important goal of the JVP project is to win users for Jabber. Virtual Presence is messaging and closely related to (IM)Presence. If Jabber doesn't catch the VP users then other IM platforms will.
That's definitely the trend. Maybe our children will regard our old ways of meeting and getting to know people as backward amateurism: "Any sane person would use a professional service to meet the significant other for the rest of the life. Would you relay on chance and luck for a thing that important. You even pay for cutting your hair"
He might have a point. Jabber is "only" the transport protocol. The virtual presence stuff could be done over any flexible messaging infrastructure. Actually the VP project abandoned it sown server and protocol to move to Jabber and become JVP. The transport protocol needs
1. features and extensibility
2. specs and a formal process
3. support and code
4. trust by operators
Any platform can qualify.
Speed is a matter of course. Speed is simple. The other criteria rule.
(1) The server got slashdotted for 4 hours. We are sorry. Jabber is fine. Jabber was chosen as a transport for virtual presence because of its features and architecture. If there is a better messaging system, then tell me and we try a Cougaar transport.
(2) There is plenty of information on the web site, plus a direct link to the spec with introduction, motivation, examples. If you already read that and it is not enough send an email. Product? Since ad-based B2C is almost dead there is no point for the JVP project other than doing work for free and support users for fun.
The next step is to walk around on the Web with your in game avatar. It's time to break the barriers between virtual worlds. To go from a virtual/gaming world to the web with the same avatar, and maybe even between different virtual world.
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I thought webmobs are like flashmobs, but on the web as they write in the webmobs manifesto http://www.webmobs.de/manifesto.html. There seem to be 2 different meanings of the same word.
Using the avatar on the Web is a start. See the Jabber Virtual Presence Project and Webmobs.
I wonder why all of them are called 'social'. Yes you can communicate wit people, but finally it is all asynchronous communication. I wonder why they do not actually show people on these pages and services. There is virtual presence. I beg you social service providers, please make people aware of each other while they are on the page. This would make the service really social. Users could meet each other live, while they are there. I don't dare posting a URL, because it sounds like an ad. Search google for the Jabber Virtual Presence Project. This is what we need to become really social on the Web.
:-) This was not a fake. I have old images: see yourself.
Yes I remember. It was the Interactive Model Railroad at University of Ulm, Germany. Starting in 1995 it operated 2 trains running between 3 platforms and a webcam. It got 1 Mio. visitors in 1995 (!). Images from the first model railroad of the Web: here.
Are we really talking about this project. No bugs?. No patches?. No docs?. No specs?.
There is a diffence between meeting real and virtually. There are so many people who socialize on the net, but not in the real world. They are great warriors and mighty mages, starship captains and Jedi. They communicate thru avatars. I wonder if they would like to take their avatar to the Web.
Right, one important goal of the JVP project is to win users for Jabber. Virtual Presence is messaging and closely related to (IM)Presence. If Jabber doesn't catch the VP users then other IM platforms will.
That's definitely the trend. Maybe our children will regard our old ways of meeting and getting to know people as backward amateurism: "Any sane person would use a professional service to meet the significant other for the rest of the life. Would you relay on chance and luck for a thing that important. You even pay for cutting your hair"
Now that you say it, I remember we forgot to put the email field into the profile. Could have been a big business.
He might have a point. Jabber is "only" the transport protocol. The virtual presence stuff could be done over any flexible messaging infrastructure. Actually the VP project abandoned it sown server and protocol to move to Jabber and become JVP. The transport protocol needs
1. features and extensibility
2. specs and a formal process
3. support and code
4. trust by operators
Any platform can qualify. Speed is a matter of course. Speed is simple. The other criteria rule.
(1) The server got slashdotted for 4 hours. We are sorry. Jabber is fine. Jabber was chosen as a transport for virtual presence because of its features and architecture. If there is a better messaging system, then tell me and we try a Cougaar transport.
(2) There is plenty of information on the web site, plus a direct link to the spec with introduction, motivation, examples. If you already read that and it is not enough send an email. Product? Since ad-based B2C is almost dead there is no point for the JVP project other than doing work for free and support users for fun.
The next step is to walk around on the Web with your in game avatar. It's time to break the barriers between virtual worlds. To go from a virtual/gaming world to the web with the same avatar, and maybe even between different virtual world.