Actually, if you didn't know, there is a prototype. Yes, there is one. How do I know? I'm on of those "50 opensource..." people. And, there were pictures in Next Gen April 2001. The whole system looks pretty slick (much nicer than the Xbox), and if it got out...Plus, it is now running at 750Mhz with an AMD processor. Standard Geforce 3 graphics (yeah, the Xbox will be NV27.5, but who knows when that will be out? That could possible kill M$ by causing them to delay launch, or settle for NV20 graphics..either way they are screwed).
Also, the 0.4 version of the IESDK is about to be released. No, there is nothing new in it. But, it is completely updated (and it now included the kernel, so you can actually use the nVidia stuff in there). If the funding does go through, there will be an updated road map for all the sdk releases (with stuff like openstream and Xtrema, which are Indrema creations in it). Plus, us volunteer people have taken over some of the gameXchange / IDN / mailing list management, and there will be new content up on IDN soon. Yes, the place will come to life.
Now, what happens if they go under? Well, John (as you can see in last weeks chat log) is going to try and save the IDN and gameXchange sites as more general linux gaming resources. Also, they will be releasing all of their code (including the popcorn stuff -- their tv viewer and jukebox stuff), which they plan to do anyway (Xtrema is based on Xfree86 4, and openstream will be LGPL IIRC). So, don't count them out yet. Even if indrema inc. goes under, indrema the community won't.
I hope you read this...but if the developer strictly adheres to using only the standard frameworks and libraries built on the standard frameworks for the Yellow Box / OPENSTEP / Cocao / whatever it is caled now...it should only require a simple recompile to be ported to linux and most of the other major *nix's and BSDs. What you say! How is this possible! Why, there is a little (not so) secret things called gnuSTEP. What does it do? Well, it provides a set of Frameworks that are 100% compatible with the OPENSTEP specification. And guess what? Mac OS X Cocao is OPENSTEP! Yay. And, gnuSTEP is really close to 1.0 (the last release was what the developers said was the last release before 1.0). So, we may see lots of cool apps on linux in the future, once people start writing Cocao apps for Mac OS X. See all the fun and magic over at gnustep.org. Today.
I love X. Great and amazing Architecture.
Still, it isn't all the way there. It needs more flexibilty.
It's hard for me to describe, but I'll try.
You've got me worried already...
* Display backend : controls the hardware
That's the X server
Not entirely. I mean extremely low level. Like an Xfree 4 module. The server would be a more
abstract element in the system, consiting of the I/O for devices, whatever Extensions you
would be running (think X-RENDER / Display PostScript / OpenGL), and the server communication
glue.
* GUI library : Basically xlib
Huh? Xlib doesn't povide any GUI stuff at all, unless you consider
things like rectangles, points, and arcs to be GUI objects.
There are no widgets in Xlib; it is not a GUI library. GTK+ and Qt are GUI libraries.
I do consider rectangles and stuff GUI code. They are drawings that make up the graphics,
that make up the user interface. So, it is GUI code. You would build your toolkits on top
of this, just like you do with Xlib. Now, it is possible to write a program sans toolkit,
and you could do the same with this, but it would be just as painful.
* User Interface Management : controls for the various devices
like mice and keyboards
xset and xmodmap
Not exactly. I'm talking about raw I/O with the devices. There would be a standard interface
to use the devices, but then you would have the modules to communicate with the devices.
The tools like xset and xmodmap would be built on top of the standard interfaces.
* GUI backend + library communiction : the glue that would tie everything together and allow them to talk, whether it be by network or any other method
Try X protocol. The thing is, X protocol *must* be on a lower level
than widgets or other UI components. If it was up to the higher level stuff,
then things like KDE and GNOME simply could not co-exist unless they worked out
a new standard for network display. But they've already got a
standard in X protocol.
I'm just not being clear am I? There would be a standard communication protocol between
the low level GUI libraries and the display backend. Now, you could choose how to implement
this. Be it over a network, or some way to do it locally with no networking involved at all.
I love X. Great and amazing Architecture. Still, it isn't all the way there. It needs more flexibilty. It's hard for me to describe, but I'll try.
First, throw away the over the network approach to GUI. Instead, modularize the entire architecture. Then, you could swap in a network module for the xlib + xserver interaction, or you could do without the network, and do it all locally somehow.
Expanding on the idea of modules, allow swapping them in out while the system is running. I say system, because the server wouldn't be the central part. You'd need a few core components:
Display backend : controls the hardware
GUI library : Basically xlib
User Interface Management : controls for the various devices like mice and keyboards
GUI backend + library communiction : the glue that would tie everything together and allow them to talk, whether it be by network or any other method
Now, X does meet a lot of the goals, but I want more. Can I run X without any network sockets ever being used? Can I make X run without displaying anything easily? Can I get X to run in text mode (ala aalib) easily? I don't know the answers really. But what I suggest is to screw X and Berlin at some point, and start over with a more dynamic and rich enviroment. These modules in the Windowing System would be like X-extensions, but on lots and lots of crack. Hopefully people can see what I mean.
A small question now: does X allow you to make a multi-docment interface (1 big app window, with several document windows that are constrained to within the window). I've been wondering about that for a while. I've seen nothing to say it can, but I still wonder. Can someone who know the answer just send me a message (just grab my mail addressfrom the mail link). Thanks. (Yes, that is probably a dumbass question or so you think. No one knows everything).
You might not see a point, but some people will. Basically, indrema will be launching the IES in two stages: a limited launch for the early adopter people so they can get funding for launch 2, the larger lauch. Remember that the DC did extremely well in the North American Market, it just failed in the Japanese market (and since Sega is from there, they probably care more about that market). There is always the chance that indrema can beat the other -- everyone has to start somewhere. Maybe it isn't for you, but it will be a good console for others.
Besides, if indrema does fail, they made the promise to give everything to the community -- the tools to certify games and all the source to their proprietary stuff (Stuff like the Digital Right Management Software that generated certification keys and checks them at runtime). So, if nothing else comes of it, you will have a fairly decent box with a nice graphics system (the GPU is in a card, so it is replaceable). So, there might be a reason to get one even if you don't want games (remember, they lose money on every console and make it back up in game sales).
Plus, they are very hacker friendly. I mean, the company was founded by a hacker. They have said they won't mind you taking apart the systems as long as you don't circumvent DRM (there will be a DRM-less dev console retailing at or slightly below production cost, more on that later). It has 4 usb ports on the front, HDTV + s-video + tv out, a graphics card socket, a modem, an ethernet card, and more usb on the back so...the possibilities are endless.
The developers console will also cost much less than all the other devkits. I mean, 600-900 bucks for a developers console (with cool extras like Code Warrior For linux and some 3d tools) is amazing! I mean, Sony charges what for their developers kit? Way too much for most small game development houses. Now, imagine this -- it is 1992, and id is just starting. Do they have the money for an expensive dev kit? Nope. So, they just make a dos game. Ok, so not a good example. But, it does make a point. Small game houses do make good games, but can't afford expensive developer kits. This gives them a chance to make their games for a console with a reasonable cost to them. So now they can be the next id.
So, I hope I've convinced some people about indrema. Or at least sparked some thought.
I don't think you understand. Indrema does allow the average person to make a game, but it is really focusing on commercial development. If it has as many games as it is supposed to at launch (they said 10-20 commercial games) then they have to have connections (loki and silicon dreams anyone...) in high places. Basically, you'll be able to play the rip-off (and maybe not rip-off) free games and the cool commercial games. And, you have to remember that about half of indrema's target market (marketing buzz-word, I must be smart) are people who don't use linux. So the free games (tuxkart, tuxAFHQ, xboing, BZFlag, whatever gets ported / written) will be new to them. Try to remember that.
This is cool. Some people in the indrema development community have an irc channel on openprojects (irc.openprojects.net). Its in..what else but #indrema. Its really cool because they have a developers (or rather, just a regular chat most of the time) chat with John Gildred and other indrema employees every wednesday at 4:30 PST (or 0030 GMT on thursday for people on the other side of the line). Its really nice to see a company that can have its CEO just talk to the normal people.
Actually, the Debian woody installer will be using the Mandrake Hwdetect libraries, because they are so good. I don't know about them using kudzu though.
280MB is huge. A full install of applixware 5 is about 380..but that comes with dictionaries in a lot of languages, a few thousand pages of docs(including the entire ELF user and programmers guides, the words file format reference, all of the user manuals, and lots of sample docs). If I killed the words tech references, the extra dicts, applix realtime, some of the docs(the alternate language ones). Boom, my install is trimmed to about 200MB for a lot more than word gives you(try a nice ass development enviroment that you can code both macros and programs in, an actual dictionary with word meanings, etc). And, it uses way less memory / lacks the annoying clip. Yeah, I can't right click for spelling corrections, but here is a little known secret:
position your cursor in the misspelled word and hit F3
Guess what that does? It pops up a list of corrections. And you don't even have to use the mouse, just select the correction with the keyboard and hit enter. A bit hidden, but it is there.
Caldera bought SCO, and Caldera is changing SCO UNIX to make it run linux binaries unmodified. That will be cool. And you have to love their CEO's name too. But they are a but too buzzwordy. So, I use debian. But Caldera is still cool. NOTE: buy there stuff, because I told someone to buy it..at 25 bucks per share..so, uh...make it go up, or else I'm in trouble.
A search for britney spears on opennap(bitchx.dimension6.com), whynap(forgot), and noEvilnap(see.noevil.net) yielded 1 result. A search for cannibal corpse on said networks yielded > 100 results(I have it set to only recieve 100 results per server). Same search on napster(real napster) yielded over 300 for britney, and about 200 for the dead corpse that eats other people. So, it seems to be that opennap is much better for finding more obscure music, and napster for popular music ; not the other way around.
On the older computers thing -- all of the applix office programs(5.0) perform flawlessy on my pentium 166Mhz/48MB RAM, except for applix presents. Of course, I've only had to use it once, and it was usable, but it made my swap usage go way up, and the graphics were a bit jitery(maybe it was the redrawing of the gradients?). So, the parts I use(words/spreadsheet/graphics(clipart)) all work great. Unlike staroffice..I installed it to try it -- here are my results with staroffice 5.0(starwriter):
startup time: 2 minutes / swap used before: 0K after: 50MB(yes, 50MB out of 225MB) / time to create a new doc : 2 minutes / interface : unresponsive / hard drive : thrashing badly, pissing me off
Applix office(using the applixware office launch bar):
startup time(words):
And I was listening to mp3s while using words, while staroffice made it impossible to do anything else. I have also extensively used abiword(written over 300 short documents(less than 10 pages) in it), and I have to say that applixwords isn't as light as it, but since you get so much more, the extra 1-3MB of ram usage is nothing. So, it is IMHO that I call applixware office the best linux office suite. But only if it could let me right-click those underlined words(maybe after someone buys it)
Well, if I could read the thing, I'd be able to make an insightful comment. But, I can't so I'll make an insightful rant
So, RMS is anti-MPAA. Woo! He can call them all facists, and the MPAA Will all go away. Ok, so everyone who is sane is anti-MPAA. And, DeCSS is not illegal so..This part goes nowhere. Well, welcome to america, the land where the judges are not impartial. DeCSS will be outlawed, the DMCA deemed constitutional, and the republicans will get there way and take my box(so I don't kill anyone). Why? Well, first off, the judges are technological babies. They have almost no clue on how things work. So, they will think that DeCSS has no useful purpose, and they will bad it. And while they are at it, they will call RMS a communist. Because he believes in the old way - freedom. Of course, the conservatives decided in the early 80s that freedom was bad(and doesn't everyone remember learning in school that the conservatives were the ones who pushed for a bill of rights -- and now they want to take our rights). So, screw this, I'm moving to canada.
Actually, the executive branch has to enforce the supreme courts decision. So, they can say what they want, but they can't enforce it. So, if the good old leaders in the white house decide that they don't like what the supreme court says..well, we end up getting screwed.
Next time a presidential election rolls around, I'll finally have a voice. So, you are like me, do your part and vote(if you live in the US / vote if you can wherever you are). Even if the censors stay in power, at least you did your part.
Football Players violent! No! Football is a great american sport. Why, all of those little internet gamers are the ones who go crazy and kill everyone! Not the football Players!
Why do the gamers kill other people?
Well, because they play violent games, stupid!
Why do the gamers even play these violent games?
Because, they sit at the computer all day.
But why do they sit at the computer all day?
Because they have nothing better to do.
Why don't they have anything better to do? Could they not be out at the mall hanging out with friends? Why aren't they at the school dance, or on a date? Why don't they go to school and watch the football games?
Because the football players made fun of them. They made fun of how they looked, how they were too smart, how they didn't listen to the same music, how they weren't interested in sports.
Isn't there something wrong with that?
No, because the football players were only trying to make them normal
What!?
Because football players don't play internet games, and they aren't violent like those gamers.
The questioner is horrified and wonders why he lives in such a backwards culture. He goes and plays his internet games and chats on irc for a while, all while listening to his different music. And being who he is.
Actually...
cout is an iostream object. iostream is a member function of the ios class so...when you use cout, you have created a new object. And, you have used operator overloading even though you may not realize it. Well, it is object oriented then. Except you personally aren't making objects, so it really isn't idelogical object oriented coding. If it was, you would have made a hello_world class and put the code there...
class hello_world{
hello_world();
}
hello_worl::hello_world(){
cout "Hello World" endl;
}
By pop, I meant pop music, not popular music. The genre of pop. RATM and metallica and suck are rock. Yes, they are often top 40 and popular / played on MTV and the like, but they are not pop music. Britney spears == pop music. The jingly beat, the syncronised dancing, empty words, etc. I have nothing wrong with popular music, just the pop genre.
This is me Clinton(I really am). I am not a troll, and never have been. I only post when I feel like I need too. Since this question won't be sent to me(I have a feeling about it..its only modded up to 3), I answered. I have a karma of 12. Yay.
You are very much right. If my linux distro had only come with vi..well, I might have turned into a vi user. But, good old Caldera(I've since moved to mandrake, then turbo, back to mandrake(7 this time) and got disgusted...then came the debian install...all hail debian) came with vim, joe, emacs, and Xemacs. I chose emacs/xemacs. Because it is cool. The OS diguised as a text editor. I also became a KDE addict, since it was the only enviroment with Caldera. But Mandrake gave me GNOME. I used it, and decided it was better. Now, I decided to try XFce(Distro people: include it too!). XFce is great, and I find I use it a lot now(with dfm...it's so much faster than GNOME + GMC or KDE + KFM...and XFGnome makes it GNOME compliant and stuff). So, the moral of the story is: just ignore ZDnet. They are the windows people. We should call them on windows...in that huge Mandrake or Caldera install, you get tons of useful stuff...for the same 1.2GB for a default winME install, you get minesweeper, a crappy video editor, and lots of bugs. The linux install you get Emacs, Open office, two kick ass desktop enviroments, a few dozen games, and almost no bugs. For less than windows costs! Besisdes, after installing windows, what do users do? They install programs. I've found that after installing the most common windows programs(windows + office + some other stuff), the install totals over 3GB to make the system usable. Someone explain to me how my Debian(sid) install is a mere 800MB, and still has stuff I'll never, ever use? C'mon zd, realize that linux has more stuff included with it, but you don't have to install it all(and what you do install usually gived you a perfectly usable computer).
I am a user. My box is bad. It has 48MB of RAM. My Hard Drive is 2.5GB. It has 800MB free. My processor is 166Mhz. Compile big software project != good time for me. In fact, some things won't compile. Like ACE, GNOME, Mozilla, or anything using C++ + lots of components. Compiling ACE needs over 4GB of tmp space, and almost 1GB RAM. So, nice precompiled binaries help us less fortunate children. I have nothing wrong with source, in fact, I have used apt-get -b source program several times, and have use autoconf / make, and in extremes hacked makefiles and / or wrote makefiles for software. It is painful. Here is some advice: sometimes even programmer don't want to write a make file for your program. If you don't use autoconf, at least write a nice Makefile that needs very little modification to get it working if you want more than 3 people to use it. It is painful writing makefiles when you have no clue what needs to happen...its all trial and error. And, if you know how to compile it, then compile it and make a deb or rpm or it.
I like apt-get -b source because it can install stuff that won't otherwise. Like dfm + woody + helix(I know I'm evil). Well, helix created a package conflict, and dfm cannot be installed. It is small enough that the compile was fairly quick for me(10 minutes). That is what I have no problems with -- small, less than 5MB of source applications. I don't need binaries for those. But, if you make some l33t 31337 40MB hello world program...GIVE ME A BINARY OR I WILL TRACK YOU DOWN AND SHOOT YOU.
EOR -- End Of Rant.
My karma just went down. I was so close to the automatic +2...
Of course, debian doesn't have dselect anymore...the new pool thing has broken it. It no longer workes for me, and I am sad. Of course, I am lying. I won't miss dselect. Aptitude is dselect for apt, and on crack.
Semms nice, and cool, but it reeks of vaporware. I wish these were real. But they probably aren't, and I'm not gonna wait for them(like I did for FMD...they said october and it is december)
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Actually, if you didn't know, there is a prototype. Yes, there is one. How do I know? I'm on of those "50 opensource ..." people. And, there were pictures in Next Gen April 2001. The whole system looks pretty slick (much nicer than the Xbox), and if it got out...Plus, it is now running at 750Mhz with an AMD processor. Standard Geforce 3 graphics (yeah, the Xbox will be NV27.5, but who knows when that will be out? That could possible kill M$ by causing them to delay launch, or settle for NV20 graphics..either way they are screwed).
Also, the 0.4 version of the IESDK is about to be released. No, there is nothing new in it. But, it is completely updated (and it now included the kernel, so you can actually use the nVidia stuff in there). If the funding does go through, there will be an updated road map for all the sdk releases (with stuff like openstream and Xtrema, which are Indrema creations in it). Plus, us volunteer people have taken over some of the gameXchange / IDN / mailing list management, and there will be new content up on IDN soon. Yes, the place will come to life.
Now, what happens if they go under? Well, John (as you can see in last weeks chat log) is going to try and save the IDN and gameXchange sites as more general linux gaming resources. Also, they will be releasing all of their code (including the popcorn stuff -- their tv viewer and jukebox stuff), which they plan to do anyway (Xtrema is based on Xfree86 4, and openstream will be LGPL IIRC). So, don't count them out yet. Even if indrema inc. goes under, indrema the community won't.
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I hope you read this...but if the developer strictly adheres to using only the standard frameworks and libraries built on the standard frameworks for the Yellow Box / OPENSTEP / Cocao / whatever it is caled now...it should only require a simple recompile to be ported to linux and most of the other major *nix's and BSDs. What you say! How is this possible! Why, there is a little (not so) secret things called gnuSTEP. What does it do? Well, it provides a set of Frameworks that are 100% compatible with the OPENSTEP specification. And guess what? Mac OS X Cocao is OPENSTEP! Yay. And, gnuSTEP is really close to 1.0 (the last release was what the developers said was the last release before 1.0). So, we may see lots of cool apps on linux in the future, once people start writing Cocao apps for Mac OS X. See all the fun and magic over at gnustep.org. Today.
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I love X. Great and amazing Architecture. Still, it isn't all the way there. It needs more flexibilty. It's hard for me to describe, but I'll try.
You've got me worried already... * Display backend : controls the hardware
That's the X server
Not entirely. I mean extremely low level. Like an Xfree 4 module. The server would be a more abstract element in the system, consiting of the I/O for devices, whatever Extensions you would be running (think X-RENDER / Display PostScript / OpenGL), and the server communication glue.
* GUI library : Basically xlib
Huh? Xlib doesn't povide any GUI stuff at all, unless you consider things like rectangles, points, and arcs to be GUI objects. There are no widgets in Xlib; it is not a GUI library. GTK+ and Qt are GUI libraries.
I do consider rectangles and stuff GUI code. They are drawings that make up the graphics, that make up the user interface. So, it is GUI code. You would build your toolkits on top of this, just like you do with Xlib. Now, it is possible to write a program sans toolkit, and you could do the same with this, but it would be just as painful.
* User Interface Management : controls for the various devices like mice and keyboards
xset and xmodmap
Not exactly. I'm talking about raw I/O with the devices. There would be a standard interface to use the devices, but then you would have the modules to communicate with the devices. The tools like xset and xmodmap would be built on top of the standard interfaces.
* GUI backend + library communiction : the glue that would tie everything together and allow them to talk, whether it be by network or any other method
Try X protocol. The thing is, X protocol *must* be on a lower level than widgets or other UI components. If it was up to the higher level stuff, then things like KDE and GNOME simply could not co-exist unless they worked out a new standard for network display. But they've already got a standard in X protocol.
I'm just not being clear am I? There would be a standard communication protocol between the low level GUI libraries and the display backend. Now, you could choose how to implement this. Be it over a network, or some way to do it locally with no networking involved at all.
Snipped the rest out
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First, throw away the over the network approach to GUI. Instead, modularize the entire architecture. Then, you could swap in a network module for the xlib + xserver interaction, or you could do without the network, and do it all locally somehow.
Expanding on the idea of modules, allow swapping them in out while the system is running. I say system, because the server wouldn't be the central part. You'd need a few core components:
Now, X does meet a lot of the goals, but I want more. Can I run X without any network sockets ever being used? Can I make X run without displaying anything easily? Can I get X to run in text mode (ala aalib) easily? I don't know the answers really. But what I suggest is to screw X and Berlin at some point, and start over with a more dynamic and rich enviroment. These modules in the Windowing System would be like X-extensions, but on lots and lots of crack. Hopefully people can see what I mean.
A small question now: does X allow you to make a multi-docment interface (1 big app window, with several document windows that are constrained to within the window). I've been wondering about that for a while. I've seen nothing to say it can, but I still wonder. Can someone who know the answer just send me a message (just grab my mail addressfrom the mail link). Thanks. (Yes, that is probably a dumbass question or so you think. No one knows everything).
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I heard it from some crazy guy writing a linux game programming book...wait a minute :P
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You might not see a point, but some people will. Basically, indrema will be launching the IES in two stages: a limited launch for the early adopter people so they can get funding for launch 2, the larger lauch. Remember that the DC did extremely well in the North American Market, it just failed in the Japanese market (and since Sega is from there, they probably care more about that market). There is always the chance that indrema can beat the other -- everyone has to start somewhere. Maybe it isn't for you, but it will be a good console for others.
Besides, if indrema does fail, they made the promise to give everything to the community -- the tools to certify games and all the source to their proprietary stuff (Stuff like the Digital Right Management Software that generated certification keys and checks them at runtime). So, if nothing else comes of it, you will have a fairly decent box with a nice graphics system (the GPU is in a card, so it is replaceable). So, there might be a reason to get one even if you don't want games (remember, they lose money on every console and make it back up in game sales).
Plus, they are very hacker friendly. I mean, the company was founded by a hacker. They have said they won't mind you taking apart the systems as long as you don't circumvent DRM (there will be a DRM-less dev console retailing at or slightly below production cost, more on that later). It has 4 usb ports on the front, HDTV + s-video + tv out, a graphics card socket, a modem, an ethernet card, and more usb on the back so...the possibilities are endless.
The developers console will also cost much less than all the other devkits. I mean, 600-900 bucks for a developers console (with cool extras like Code Warrior For linux and some 3d tools) is amazing! I mean, Sony charges what for their developers kit? Way too much for most small game development houses. Now, imagine this -- it is 1992, and id is just starting. Do they have the money for an expensive dev kit? Nope. So, they just make a dos game. Ok, so not a good example. But, it does make a point. Small game houses do make good games, but can't afford expensive developer kits. This gives them a chance to make their games for a console with a reasonable cost to them. So now they can be the next id.
So, I hope I've convinced some people about indrema. Or at least sparked some thought.
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Actually, the real unknownlamer (_ is illegal..it ruined my day ;)has UID = 15. I'm only impaler here because unknown_lamer was too long.
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I don't think you understand. Indrema does allow the average person to make a game, but it is really focusing on commercial development. If it has as many games as it is supposed to at launch (they said 10-20 commercial games) then they have to have connections (loki and silicon dreams anyone...) in high places. Basically, you'll be able to play the rip-off (and maybe not rip-off) free games and the cool commercial games. And, you have to remember that about half of indrema's target market (marketing buzz-word, I must be smart) are people who don't use linux. So the free games (tuxkart, tuxAFHQ, xboing, BZFlag, whatever gets ported / written) will be new to them. Try to remember that.
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This is cool. Some people in the indrema development community have an irc channel on openprojects (irc.openprojects.net). Its in..what else but #indrema. Its really cool because they have a developers (or rather, just a regular chat most of the time) chat with John Gildred and other indrema employees every wednesday at 4:30 PST (or 0030 GMT on thursday for people on the other side of the line). Its really nice to see a company that can have its CEO just talk to the normal people.
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Actually, the Debian woody installer will be using the Mandrake Hwdetect libraries, because they are so good. I don't know about them using kudzu though.
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280MB is huge. A full install of applixware 5 is about 380..but that comes with dictionaries in a lot of languages, a few thousand pages of docs(including the entire ELF user and programmers guides, the words file format reference, all of the user manuals, and lots of sample docs). If I killed the words tech references, the extra dicts, applix realtime, some of the docs(the alternate language ones). Boom, my install is trimmed to about 200MB for a lot more than word gives you(try a nice ass development enviroment that you can code both macros and programs in, an actual dictionary with word meanings, etc). And, it uses way less memory / lacks the annoying clip. Yeah, I can't right click for spelling corrections, but here is a little known secret:
position your cursor in the misspelled word and hit F3
Guess what that does? It pops up a list of corrections. And you don't even have to use the mouse, just select the correction with the keyboard and hit enter. A bit hidden, but it is there.
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Caldera bought SCO, and Caldera is changing SCO UNIX to make it run linux binaries unmodified. That will be cool. And you have to love their CEO's name too. But they are a but too buzzwordy. So, I use debian. But Caldera is still cool. NOTE: buy there stuff, because I told someone to buy it..at 25 bucks per share..so, uh...make it go up, or else I'm in trouble.
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A search for britney spears on opennap(bitchx.dimension6.com), whynap(forgot), and noEvilnap(see.noevil.net) yielded 1 result. A search for cannibal corpse on said networks yielded > 100 results(I have it set to only recieve 100 results per server). Same search on napster(real napster) yielded over 300 for britney, and about 200 for the dead corpse that eats other people. So, it seems to be that opennap is much better for finding more obscure music, and napster for popular music ; not the other way around.
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On the older computers thing -- all of the applix office programs(5.0) perform flawlessy on my pentium 166Mhz/48MB RAM, except for applix presents. Of course, I've only had to use it once, and it was usable, but it made my swap usage go way up, and the graphics were a bit jitery(maybe it was the redrawing of the gradients?). So, the parts I use(words/spreadsheet/graphics(clipart)) all work great. Unlike staroffice..I installed it to try it -- here are my results with staroffice 5.0(starwriter):
startup time: 2 minutes / swap used before: 0K after: 50MB(yes, 50MB out of 225MB) / time to create a new doc : 2 minutes / interface : unresponsive / hard drive : thrashing badly, pissing me off
Applix office(using the applixware office launch bar):
startup time(words): And I was listening to mp3s while using words, while staroffice made it impossible to do anything else. I have also extensively used abiword(written over 300 short documents(less than 10 pages) in it), and I have to say that applixwords isn't as light as it, but since you get so much more, the extra 1-3MB of ram usage is nothing. So, it is IMHO that I call applixware office the best linux office suite. But only if it could let me right-click those underlined words(maybe after someone buys it)
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Well, if I could read the thing, I'd be able to make an insightful comment. But, I can't so I'll make an insightful rant
So, RMS is anti-MPAA. Woo! He can call them all facists, and the MPAA Will all go away. Ok, so everyone who is sane is anti-MPAA. And, DeCSS is not illegal so..This part goes nowhere. Well, welcome to america, the land where the judges are not impartial. DeCSS will be outlawed, the DMCA deemed constitutional, and the republicans will get there way and take my box(so I don't kill anyone). Why? Well, first off, the judges are technological babies. They have almost no clue on how things work. So, they will think that DeCSS has no useful purpose, and they will bad it. And while they are at it, they will call RMS a communist. Because he believes in the old way - freedom. Of course, the conservatives decided in the early 80s that freedom was bad(and doesn't everyone remember learning in school that the conservatives were the ones who pushed for a bill of rights -- and now they want to take our rights). So, screw this, I'm moving to canada.
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Actually, the executive branch has to enforce the supreme courts decision. So, they can say what they want, but they can't enforce it. So, if the good old leaders in the white house decide that they don't like what the supreme court says..well, we end up getting screwed.
Next time a presidential election rolls around, I'll finally have a voice. So, you are like me, do your part and vote(if you live in the US / vote if you can wherever you are). Even if the censors stay in power, at least you did your part.
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Football Players violent! No! Football is a great american sport. Why, all of those little internet gamers are the ones who go crazy and kill everyone! Not the football Players!
Why do the gamers kill other people?
Well, because they play violent games, stupid!
Why do the gamers even play these violent games?
Because, they sit at the computer all day.
But why do they sit at the computer all day?
Because they have nothing better to do.
Why don't they have anything better to do? Could they not be out at the mall hanging out with friends? Why aren't they at the school dance, or on a date? Why don't they go to school and watch the football games?
Because the football players made fun of them. They made fun of how they looked, how they were too smart, how they didn't listen to the same music, how they weren't interested in sports.
Isn't there something wrong with that?
No, because the football players were only trying to make them normal
What!?
Because football players don't play internet games, and they aren't violent like those gamers.
The questioner is horrified and wonders why he lives in such a backwards culture. He goes and plays his internet games and chats on irc for a while, all while listening to his different music. And being who he is.
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Actually...
cout is an iostream object. iostream is a member function of the ios class so...when you use cout, you have created a new object. And, you have used operator overloading even though you may not realize it. Well, it is object oriented then. Except you personally aren't making objects, so it really isn't idelogical object oriented coding. If it was, you would have made a hello_world class and put the code there...
class hello_world{
hello_world();
}
hello_worl::hello_world(){
cout "Hello World" endl;
}
int main(){
hello_world hello;
return(0);
}
of course, screwing objects is so much easier.
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By pop, I meant pop music, not popular music. The genre of pop. RATM and metallica and suck are rock. Yes, they are often top 40 and popular / played on MTV and the like, but they are not pop music. Britney spears == pop music. The jingly beat, the syncronised dancing, empty words, etc. I have nothing wrong with popular music, just the pop genre.
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Well, here is my schedule on the weekend:
noon - wake up
1pm - eat food
1am - go to sleep
Well, and the fact that I have the hours of 4-6:30pm free as well...
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This is me Clinton(I really am). I am not a troll, and never have been. I only post when I feel like I need too. Since this question won't be sent to me(I have a feeling about it..its only modded up to 3), I answered. I have a karma of 12. Yay.
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You are very much right. If my linux distro had only come with vi..well, I might have turned into a vi user. But, good old Caldera(I've since moved to mandrake, then turbo, back to mandrake(7 this time) and got disgusted...then came the debian install...all hail debian) came with vim, joe, emacs, and Xemacs. I chose emacs/xemacs. Because it is cool. The OS diguised as a text editor. I also became a KDE addict, since it was the only enviroment with Caldera. But Mandrake gave me GNOME. I used it, and decided it was better. Now, I decided to try XFce(Distro people: include it too!). XFce is great, and I find I use it a lot now(with dfm...it's so much faster than GNOME + GMC or KDE + KFM...and XFGnome makes it GNOME compliant and stuff). So, the moral of the story is: just ignore ZDnet. They are the windows people. We should call them on windows...in that huge Mandrake or Caldera install, you get tons of useful stuff...for the same 1.2GB for a default winME install, you get minesweeper, a crappy video editor, and lots of bugs. The linux install you get Emacs, Open office, two kick ass desktop enviroments, a few dozen games, and almost no bugs. For less than windows costs! Besisdes, after installing windows, what do users do? They install programs. I've found that after installing the most common windows programs(windows + office + some other stuff), the install totals over 3GB to make the system usable. Someone explain to me how my Debian(sid) install is a mere 800MB, and still has stuff I'll never, ever use? C'mon zd, realize that linux has more stuff included with it, but you don't have to install it all(and what you do install usually gived you a perfectly usable computer).
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I am a user. My box is bad. It has 48MB of RAM. My Hard Drive is 2.5GB. It has 800MB free. My processor is 166Mhz. Compile big software project != good time for me. In fact, some things won't compile. Like ACE, GNOME, Mozilla, or anything using C++ + lots of components. Compiling ACE needs over 4GB of tmp space, and almost 1GB RAM. So, nice precompiled binaries help us less fortunate children. I have nothing wrong with source, in fact, I have used apt-get -b source program several times, and have use autoconf / make, and in extremes hacked makefiles and / or wrote makefiles for software. It is painful. Here is some advice: sometimes even programmer don't want to write a make file for your program. If you don't use autoconf, at least write a nice Makefile that needs very little modification to get it working if you want more than 3 people to use it. It is painful writing makefiles when you have no clue what needs to happen...its all trial and error. And, if you know how to compile it, then compile it and make a deb or rpm or it.
I like apt-get -b source because it can install stuff that won't otherwise. Like dfm + woody + helix(I know I'm evil). Well, helix created a package conflict, and dfm cannot be installed. It is small enough that the compile was fairly quick for me(10 minutes). That is what I have no problems with -- small, less than 5MB of source applications. I don't need binaries for those. But, if you make some l33t 31337 40MB hello world program...GIVE ME A BINARY OR I WILL TRACK YOU DOWN AND SHOOT YOU.
EOR -- End Of Rant.
My karma just went down. I was so close to the automatic +2...
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Of course, debian doesn't have dselect anymore...the new pool thing has broken it. It no longer workes for me, and I am sad. Of course, I am lying. I won't miss dselect. Aptitude is dselect for apt, and on crack.
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Semms nice, and cool, but it reeks of vaporware. I wish these were real. But they probably aren't, and I'm not gonna wait for them(like I did for FMD...they said october and it is december)
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