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I beleieve you're remembering a time when the hardware was considered more profitable then software, so the software engineers were left alone to produce efficient designs....
I've had four 1.8Ghz dell boxen running as an OpenMosix cluster (debian) for over a year now, with no problems whatsoever. Before that they had been windows workstations for two years, and hadn't broken down. I also have a Dell laptop, six years old and still going strong.
Most of the time I build my own machines, but I have never had problems with Dell hardware when I've used it.
Personally I think most people who dislike Dell are just Mooing with the rest of the herd, unwilling to find out what the real situation is.
as an avid bbc website user I rather like realmedia. All their content (well, almost all), is in the realmedia format. I think there are a few options for wmv, and they do have mp3 podcasts/downlaods
Realmedia works in linux and windows, with no problems at all. I don't get the hatred of it at all.
Ok, there was a time when Real were awful, and their programs were intrusive and horrible. I bought realjukebox once, which I rather liked, and that freed me from advert land, but they renaged on their contract/changed it, so I never got the updates I was meant to have. They changed to RealOne a few months after I bought realjukebox and demanded payment all over again, the bastards. That was quite a few years ago now. Sooner or later you have to move on.
My early Real experience doesn't detract from the fact that these days their format is probably the best, and the easiest to use on multiple platforms.
I did watch the video, yes. And beforeI'd had my second cup of coffee, a major acheivement.
It will be their package of web services/application that has that message. I imagine that it isn't certain to work on linux, so they just said it won't ever. Then they won't (or rather hope they won't) have problems when it doesn't work.
They have a subscriber service too. So if the subscribers didn't get such a warning, they might get all legal if stuff doesn't work.
America is the land of improbable warnings after all. My sister came over from there a few months back, and the pram she brought over was laden with the stupidest set of warnings I'd ever seen. I'm told putting warnings on everything is a defensive measure.
I'm 'Needless Paranioa' and I aprove of this message.
I'm sorry, but what? All I can see is that their current online video authoring package isn't very good, and they don't want to have people who's OS doesn't support it thinking that there's a bug with their site.
Ok, it's not a good plan to not have it working in linux, but lets be honest, how many of the people working at nyt have anything but windows at their desk? I'm guessing none, with possibly a few macs about the place. For that matter, how many users will be on linux? Not many I'll wager. Sad, but almost certainly true. Therefore this problem will effect only a very small minority of their readers.
The chances are that most people here use linux (me included). However, we are still in the minority, and we don't have persuasive reps loaded with free pens going round selling authoring packages and other web software to newspapers. While that's the case, linux will get the short straw.
this threatens US based FOSS, not FOSS in general.
If america manages to succeed in it's apparent crusade to heavily restrict all forms of software development (not just FOSS), then the US will find itself rendered irrelevent by developers in third world countries, India, africa, China, and good old Blighty (where I reside), to name but a few. Such developers, myself included, will just carry on, and ignore the rantings of the US while they paint themselves into a corner.
Sometimes I wonder if the parties on both sides of the Patent dispute in america remember their history lessons. Any restrictive system which seeks to limit the exploration of idea's invariably results in new avenues of expression being founded.
Heck, how do you think Hollywood got started? They were over in California to get away from a restrictive patenting system, not because of the weather.
I've looked at a few of these gui's already, and have a friend with a really good XGL setup. Thus far I haven't bothered because most of my computer interaction/programming takes place in a bash console. Yes, I am that dull, *and* I like Vim, oh dear.
Will there be anything that can do better then bash by adding extra graphical whizziness? Thus far all I've seen is that bash can be wobbled, which isn't an improvement. GUI improvements are nice to see mind. When they're aimed aat aiding physically disabled people I'll be truly impressed, right now it's just a case of 'oooh, pretty'.
Until I see significant improvements to bash (and right now I can't think what those might be, it's pretty darned perfect), I won't be eating up system resources with a fancy gui that could be better spent running my simulations.
Man, do I ever sound like some muttering old geezer.
ah, well that's good then. I had some very long talks with other phd students worried about the patents thing (mainly because we were concerned that the university not patent our work).
If software patents are allowed I'm going to have to patent several algorithms I've created just to prevent them being taken and used without recognising my development work.
That will suck. I guess I can always dedicate the patents afterwards, so long as it prevents someone else from trying to make me not use my own work.
I may be over-reacting, hope so, but software patents are a terrible idea.
There's plenty of information on the bbc page though, enough for you to dig further if you're interested, which you should be if you studied anthropology.
wrong. there is ample evidence, including cave paintings that depict the fighting. Archeological evidence points to two seperate groups. One that travelled from the north down, and one that had been in south america for much longer.
The small tribe discovered on an island off the southern tip of south america was proven to be related to the humans in australia, and had migrated there from the mainland a very long time ago.
Sounds like your one of those people desperate to claim that the indians got there first.
well, actually acheological evidence suggests that for the largest portion of the evolution of our particuler ape family we've been a passive and predominantly matriarchal society.
Basically, the women were in charge. We even have some very old aboriginal tribes (several countries) who's verbal history speaks of women being completelly in charge of their cultures a long time ago. A handy present day verification for the archeological hints.
Prehistoric women managed the 'cave' (innacurate, but it'll do), cared for the children, foraged for food that didn't try to gore you, and almost certainly did not risk their lives on a daily basis. They ran everything essentially. There is barely any evidence for wars between these ancient humans, or when homo sapiens lived alongside Neanderthal. This was the time when the female seems to have been the dominant partner.
The only exception seems to have been when modern humans crossed into the americas over the land bridge and displaced a group of humans in south america who'd come up from australia. There is definate archeological evidence of the new arrivals killing off the previous occupants. Almost all of them, one group survived till the early 19th century, when we 'helped them' and wrecked an ancient culture before we understood its significance and real importance to understanding early human involvement in the americas. Hmm, one up for the civilised world there....
What I'm getting at is that the ones in charge were not the ones who were doing all the fighting with meat that was inconveniently still packaged in its original owner. This whole 'men in charge' and wars thing is a relativelly new invention which likely followed the advent of farming.
The UK universities that I've known have firefox installed, but often it's not the default.
What is usually the case is that general machines (and library machines) use internet explorer, and specific departmental lab boxes have a choice of several browsers, but again internet explorer is the default. At least this is the case in the uni's I've studied/worked at or visited, in so far as I've noticed.
A saving grace is that I've never seen one that uses outlook or outlook express as a default email client. Oddly at my last uni the default mail client was pine.
I prefer Mutt, because I'm some kind of retro wierdo who still goes on about Elite on the BBC model B.
I bought a dell laptop, and they told me I could install linux, but they wouldn't support it officially. That said, they were happy to try and help me sort a few small issues out (soundcard and graphics driver issues), because I had paid for support, it's just that they wouldn't go beyond advice over the phone.
I initially tried to buy the laptop with just linux, no windows, but they couldn't do it. The impression I got was that they weren't able to do it because you still had to buy a windows license with a computer from them, so you might as well have windows installed. This is more likely to be a contractual issue with microsoft tying their hands on the issue.
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I beleieve you're remembering a time when the hardware was considered more profitable then software, so the software engineers were left alone to produce efficient designs....
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I've had four 1.8Ghz dell boxen running as an OpenMosix cluster (debian) for over a year now, with no problems whatsoever. Before that they had been windows workstations for two years, and hadn't broken down.
I also have a Dell laptop, six years old and still going strong.
Most of the time I build my own machines, but I have never had problems with Dell hardware when I've used it.
Personally I think most people who dislike Dell are just Mooing with the rest of the herd, unwilling to find out what the real situation is.
If that's an indicator of the style, I may not cope...
My god, it's full of CAPS.
That websites just scary.
as an avid bbc website user I rather like realmedia. All their content (well, almost all), is in the realmedia format. I think there are a few options for wmv, and they do have mp3 podcasts/downlaods
Realmedia works in linux and windows, with no problems at all. I don't get the hatred of it at all.
Ok, there was a time when Real were awful, and their programs were intrusive and horrible. I bought realjukebox once, which I rather liked, and that freed me from advert land, but they renaged on their contract/changed it, so I never got the updates I was meant to have. They changed to RealOne a few months after I bought realjukebox and demanded payment all over again, the bastards. That was quite a few years ago now. Sooner or later you have to move on.
My early Real experience doesn't detract from the fact that these days their format is probably the best, and the easiest to use on multiple platforms.
I did watch the video, yes. And beforeI'd had my second cup of coffee, a major acheivement.
It will be their package of web services/application that has that message. I imagine that it isn't certain to work on linux, so they just said it won't ever. Then they won't (or rather hope they won't) have problems when it doesn't work.
They have a subscriber service too. So if the subscribers didn't get such a warning, they might get all legal if stuff doesn't work.
America is the land of improbable warnings after all. My sister came over from there a few months back, and the pram she brought over was laden with the stupidest set of warnings I'd ever seen. I'm told putting warnings on everything is a defensive measure.
I strongly suspect that stupidity is the main reason for this problem, not a deliberate plan.
I'm 'Needless Paranioa' and I aprove of this message.
I'm sorry, but what? All I can see is that their current online video authoring package isn't very good, and they don't want to have people who's OS doesn't support it thinking that there's a bug with their site.
Ok, it's not a good plan to not have it working in linux, but lets be honest, how many of the people working at nyt have anything but windows at their desk? I'm guessing none, with possibly a few macs about the place.
For that matter, how many users will be on linux? Not many I'll wager. Sad, but almost certainly true. Therefore this problem will effect only a very small minority of their readers.
The chances are that most people here use linux (me included). However, we are still in the minority, and we don't have persuasive reps loaded with free pens going round selling authoring packages and other web software to newspapers.
While that's the case, linux will get the short straw.
this threatens US based FOSS, not FOSS in general.
. htm
If america manages to succeed in it's apparent crusade to heavily restrict all forms of software development (not just FOSS), then the US will find itself rendered irrelevent by developers in third world countries, India, africa, China, and good old Blighty (where I reside), to name but a few.
Such developers, myself included, will just carry on, and ignore the rantings of the US while they paint themselves into a corner.
Sometimes I wonder if the parties on both sides of the Patent dispute in america remember their history lessons. Any restrictive system which seeks to limit the exploration of idea's invariably results in new avenues of expression being founded.
Heck, how do you think Hollywood got started? They were over in California to get away from a restrictive patenting system, not because of the weather.
See this reference: http://www.cobbles.com/simpp_archive/edison_trust
I really hope that the US gets it's act together.
Perhaps the only thing that will stop it will be the software equivilent of Sputnik flying overhead and beeping. I have no idea what that might be.
I've looked at a few of these gui's already, and have a friend with a really good XGL setup. Thus far I haven't bothered because most of my computer interaction/programming takes place in a bash console. Yes, I am that dull, *and* I like Vim, oh dear.
Will there be anything that can do better then bash by adding extra graphical whizziness? Thus far all I've seen is that bash can be wobbled, which isn't an improvement. GUI improvements are nice to see mind. When they're aimed aat aiding physically disabled people I'll be truly impressed, right now it's just a case of 'oooh, pretty'.
Until I see significant improvements to bash (and right now I can't think what those might be, it's pretty darned perfect), I won't be eating up system resources with a fancy gui that could be better spent running my simulations.
Man, do I ever sound like some muttering old geezer.
aha, I'm not. I'll do that right away, thanks
you're a very odd chap, I hope you realise this :-)
My one windows machine (authentic windows, purchased and everything, from HP), fails when trying to install IE7 beta.
It passes the genuine disadvantage test, then b0rks for an unknown reason.
Firefox, on the other hand, is perfect, so I don't feel it matters much anyhow. I only tried to install IE7 out of curiosity
Got it, one peer reviewed paper
0 0000034/00000002/art00183
"The Zhoukoudian Upper Cave Skull 101 as seen from the Americas," Journal
of Human Evolution 34(1998):219-222., p. 219.
And the full text can be obtained from here
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ap/hu/1998/
I'm not paying for the full text though
ah, well that's good then. I had some very long talks with other phd students worried about the patents thing (mainly because we were concerned that the university not patent our work).
Academic priotiry means I have been the first to publish them in peer reviewed papers.
The algorithms haven't been used in software by anyone but me yet. My original plan was to release the software which instantiates them under the GPL.
that depends. I have academic priority established, so that *should* cover it, but patents can muddy the water somewhat.
I need to do more research
If software patents are allowed I'm going to have to patent several algorithms I've created just to prevent them being taken and used without recognising my development work.
That will suck. I guess I can always dedicate the patents afterwards, so long as it prevents someone else from trying to make me not use my own work.
I may be over-reacting, hope so, but software patents are a terrible idea.
here you go, one reference.
Only a bbc article I'm afraid, I can't find a reference to the original research.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/430944.stm
There's plenty of information on the bbc page though, enough for you to dig further if you're interested, which you should be if you studied anthropology.
wrong. there is ample evidence, including cave paintings that depict the fighting. Archeological evidence points to two seperate groups. One that travelled from the north down, and one that had been in south america for much longer.
The small tribe discovered on an island off the southern tip of south america was proven to be related to the humans in australia, and had migrated there from the mainland a very long time ago.
Sounds like your one of those people desperate to claim that the indians got there first.
well, actually acheological evidence suggests that for the largest portion of the evolution of our particuler ape family we've been a passive and predominantly matriarchal society.
Basically, the women were in charge. We even have some very old aboriginal tribes (several countries) who's verbal history speaks of women being completelly in charge of their cultures a long time ago. A handy present day verification for the archeological hints.
Prehistoric women managed the 'cave' (innacurate, but it'll do), cared for the children, foraged for food that didn't try to gore you, and almost certainly did not risk their lives on a daily basis. They ran everything essentially. There is barely any evidence for wars between these ancient humans, or when homo sapiens lived alongside Neanderthal. This was the time when the female seems to have been the dominant partner.
The only exception seems to have been when modern humans crossed into the americas over the land bridge and displaced a group of humans in south america who'd come up from australia. There is definate archeological evidence of the new arrivals killing off the previous occupants. Almost all of them, one group survived till the early 19th century, when we 'helped them' and wrecked an ancient culture before we understood its significance and real importance to understanding early human involvement in the americas. Hmm, one up for the civilised world there....
What I'm getting at is that the ones in charge were not the ones who were doing all the fighting with meat that was inconveniently still packaged in its original owner. This whole 'men in charge' and wars thing is a relativelly new invention which likely followed the advent of farming.
The UK universities that I've known have firefox installed, but often it's not the default.
What is usually the case is that general machines (and library machines) use internet explorer, and specific departmental lab boxes have a choice of several browsers, but again internet explorer is the default. At least this is the case in the uni's I've studied/worked at or visited, in so far as I've noticed.
A saving grace is that I've never seen one that uses outlook or outlook express as a default email client. Oddly at my last uni the default mail client was pine.
I prefer Mutt, because I'm some kind of retro wierdo who still goes on about Elite on the BBC model B.
I bought a dell laptop, and they told me I could install linux, but they wouldn't support it officially. That said, they were happy to try and help me sort a few small issues out (soundcard and graphics driver issues), because I had paid for support, it's just that they wouldn't go beyond advice over the phone.
I initially tried to buy the laptop with just linux, no windows, but they couldn't do it. The impression I got was that they weren't able to do it because you still had to buy a windows license with a computer from them, so you might as well have windows installed. This is more likely to be a contractual issue with microsoft tying their hands on the issue.
That sir, is *exactly* what I was talking about. However I didn't put it across as well as you.