"Having seen Robocop, I always imagined (remote-controlled) robots would replace soldiers eventually. In the end, it still all boils down to military budget vs. military budget. Why waste the human lives in the process?"
Um, that doesn't make much sense. If one's robots are all destroyed, then the humans are going to start attacking the robots. Then the robots will be killing humans. Eventually human life is going to be destroyed. Why do you think humans would just concede the war after their robots are destroyed?
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They're not nearly as much of a threat to the US as Iraq was. China is a civilized, intelligent country. China's economy is very dependent on the US; turn something sitting on your desk upside down, and see what it says... good odds it says 'Made in China'. China would not attack us, unless severely provoked... it just wouldn't be in their best interest whatsoever. If China does anything, it's just to send a symbolic message.
On the other hand, Iraq was a tyranical dictatorship, whose leaders and citizens are ignorant, anti-american religious zealots.
You can make OS X boot to the command line then launch X11 from there with TWM on top, avoiding the Quartz WM. After that, you can run all of your linux apps, after you install them with fink, or Gentoo MacOS (Portage for OS X). All of that saves precious RAM.
How about for relatively recent Apple hardware that will run OS X poorly, like my aging 350MHz iMac?
Your 350mhz iMac runs OS X poorly? I'm on one right now, and it runs great, without any upgrades. If you upgrade the RAM, it'll be even better. OS X 10.1 might run a tad slow on it (of course the first version won't be as fast as the improved one), but Panther is blazing. With all due respect, you're flat-out wrong on OS X's performance.
Fortunately, with OS X every time a new version comes out it runs better on slower hardware... atleast so far atleast. The changes from Puma -> Jaguar -> Panther have always increased speed.
Linux can't compete with OS X on the desktop. Anyone who says it can is living in a fantasy world, or is simply a linux zealot. No offense, but slashdot can be blinded by the latter occasionally.
How does "Tempted by Mac OS but not thrilled with the hardware cost?" equal to just an alternate OS? It's comparing MacOS and Syllable. It's insinuating syllable is a free x86(cheaper hardware) version of a macos-like alternative. Which it's not. That's like saying "tempted by Walmart, but not thrilled with the distance there? Go to Bob's Backyard Retail Store." That's insinuating Bob's backyard retail store and Walmart are similar.
"You're astoundingly lacking in the reading comprehension department!"
For USians, if you voted for George Bush, and supported republican policy that'd be fixed. He is a supporter of a "loser pays" rule, so Microsoft would end up having to pay all the court and lawyer fees for you after you win. Furthermore it would prevent frivolous lawsuits like SCO v. Linux. Democrats are a staunch hater of such rules.
"Tempted by Mac OS but not thrilled with the hardware cost?"
Ugh, having the start menu at the top isn't really making it like MacOS, and it sure seems that's the only similar thing. It doesn't even integrate the application menus into the title bar. Another great part of MacOS is the fact it "just works." I doubt you get this with Syllable. Furthermore, the MacOS UI is a lot nicer.
Moreover, I doubt this OS will really take off with a "big future." BeOS/QNX/etc were a lot spiffier, and they didn't survive. I wish them the best of luck, however.
"[...] the NetBSD improvements are generally applicable to all classes of machines."
It's good to see people still caring about older hardware; DragonFlyBSD developers (Note: not Matt Dillon or anyone incredibly highup) basically wrote off the idea of supporting anything other than new hardware when I was talking to them. That's silly practice, in my opinion, and I hope that's not the mantra of the higher up developers, but I digress.
"It's actually quite amusing to see NetBSD development labelled as "slow" compared to OpenBSD."
OpenBSD seems to be making a lot of non-kernel additions, such as OpenNTPd/OpenSSH/implementing X.org/and the such. It's too bad these two groups can't see eye-to-eye, or we'd have one heck of an OS... portable, secure, innovative, etc. Although, OpenBSD code is portable due to it's heritage, it doesn't take advantage of it like NetBSD.
I've always been a fan of NetBSD, and thought it was a lot cleaner and better developed OS, imho. Theo's antics are, personally, enough to shy me away from using it.
Indeed, they're just a company trying to make money. They're not hacking web sites and forcing said sites put their banners up. Sure, you dislike ads, but take it out on the people putting them in their html, not the actual ad companies.
I think it's more of a gambling thing. Compare investing in SCO to winning the lottery... if they fail, you're out your ticket, but if you win, you're going to win big.
First off, i'd like to say i'm not alluding to NetBSD, or BSD, dying. However, it seems NetBSD's pace is awfully slow compared to OpenBSD and FreeBSD, or even DragonFly. NetBSD 1.6 came out September 14, 2002. Versions 1.6.1 and 1.6.2 were pretty much just security fixes.
Seems like they're being pretty stagnant. PF still won't be in 2.0, that's a shame, imho. They've managed to do a lot of superfluous activities, though; for example, they've achieved Trademark status on NetBSD, and attained 501(c)(3) tax-exemption status.
Although I like NetBSD, and think it's a wonderful project that has superb, portable code... i'd, personally, like to see more development and less superfluous activities, especially considering how expensive activities such as trademark status are. Who do they think is going to steal their title anyway? Although, if I remember correctly from a debian mailing list thread, their trademark status _did_ hinder Debian/NetBSD being released.
Looks like all he's threatening to do is sell the address and public information to spammers... it's not like that is THAT big of a deal. If he was threatening to sell credit card information along with Social Security numbers, then that'd be a different story. This is just another case of someone getting hacked into.. it's not the first time, and it won't be the last. I'd say an example of a site getting said valuable information, such as CC#'s, stolen would be quite a bigger deal.
Then again, I don't think he's really saying he's going to do it, just threaten to do so to cause a ruckus so the admins will take him seriously and fix problems... moreover, fix security problems before adding the-kitchen-sink feature.
"Then you select the ftp server you want to use for the install and it installs very quickly."
Ugh, I don't have whatever kind of bandwidth you have in my house, so installing an OS on a couple of systems through an ftp install would take a nice whopping couple of days. It's faster and more efficient to download one iso, and just reuse it over and over. Not to mention, I can download an iso and burn it at a friend's house who has cable or DSL, then use it to install on a system that only has a dialup connection.
"I recently ordered the 3.5 CD set and it took a looonnnggg time to arrive. Since I was in a hurry, I just installed from the Internet and had no problems at all."
On Dial-up, it'd probably take less time to wait for the postman to deliver it by horse than it would to download the entire distribution.
The license is ambiguous, and uses the term "without fee" in a way that could easily be construed as "you can distribute this if you don't charge a fee" instead of "you have permission to do stuff, without having to pay a fee to me".
In either such case, OpenBSD be putting itself into harm's way. I personally don't like how they refuse to release iso's, so that you have to buy the CDs. The CD, mind you, is an unfortunate whopping $40.
However, it's good to see a "free-er" version of ntpd out there. It seems like OpenBSD is competing with GNU in the political aspect of software.
It was a typo... or was it? Maybe i'm going to go on a killing spree. You'll know soon when you read the post regarding the Slashdotter whose computers led him to homicide. Then again, slashdot posters would probably lead me to such before pkgsrc.
I wish that it had some Apt-Get sort of thing (besides Swaret/Slapt-get which have a low package base in comparison.
Although slackware's 'pkgtool' is rather disappointing tool, you can install NetBSD's pkgsrc for slackware, and it can handle and install all your packages. I have found pkgsrc to be very useful, and very eloquent.
For a walkthrough on getting it working in slackware, Marrti Kuperinen has created an easy guide that can get you up and running with pkgsrc on Slackware in no time.
We have been in rigorous discussion over what kind of ports/packaging system we want to have. We have already agreed that the core ports/packaging system visible to end-users should be a binary system rather then a source build system. This isn't to say that sources would not be made available for customization purposes, just that most users just want to get a port/package installed as quickly as possible. While the BSD ports/packaging system does have a binary install capability it is insufficient for our needs.
The other thing we've decided on is to give the ports/packaging system the ability to isolate installations. One of the biggest problems one has maintaining a large multi-use system is when upgrading a package for one particular subsystem. Upgrades to the packages for one subsystem can interfere with packages already installed for another, and sysops cannot afford to have upgrades break unrelated subsystems. So, for example, we want there to be isolation between the packages associated with, say, the mail subsystem, and packages associated with, say, a workstation user. The two subsystems might install the same package or might install different versions of the same package... we want that to work.
Also... in response to whether they might use pkgsrc, he replies...
We are considering everything. Nothing is set in stone yet.
However, while committer relations have always been an issue, DragonFly split off from FreeBSD-5 over major architectural differences, not anything else. We really do feel that FreeBSD-5 is taking the wrong approach to SMP and building something that is so complex that it will ultimately not be maintainable. We think we have a better way.
You can find more information if you actually visit the project homepage, or read a fairly recent ONLamp.com interview with the developers.
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"Having seen Robocop, I always imagined (remote-controlled) robots would replace soldiers eventually. In the end, it still all boils down to military budget vs. military budget. Why waste the human lives in the process?"
Um, that doesn't make much sense. If one's robots are all destroyed, then the humans are going to start attacking the robots. Then the robots will be killing humans. Eventually human life is going to be destroyed. Why do you think humans would just concede the war after their robots are destroyed?
They're not nearly as much of a threat to the US as Iraq was. China is a civilized, intelligent country. China's economy is very dependent on the US; turn something sitting on your desk upside down, and see what it says... good odds it says 'Made in China'. China would not attack us, unless severely provoked... it just wouldn't be in their best interest whatsoever. If China does anything, it's just to send a symbolic message.
On the other hand, Iraq was a tyranical dictatorship, whose leaders and citizens are ignorant, anti-american religious zealots.
"most of which kerry was not present for"
This seems pretty indicative of Mr. Kerry.
"If you vote for Kerry, you're voting for a moderate liberal agenda."
Moderate liberal agenda? From the guy with the most liberal voting record in the Senate? Even farther left than Teddy "nutjob" Kennedy, and Hillary Clinton.
You can make OS X boot to the command line then launch X11 from there with TWM on top, avoiding the Quartz WM. After that, you can run all of your linux apps, after you install them with fink, or Gentoo MacOS (Portage for OS X). All of that saves precious RAM.
How about for relatively recent Apple hardware that will run OS X poorly, like my aging 350MHz iMac?
Your 350mhz iMac runs OS X poorly? I'm on one right now, and it runs great, without any upgrades. If you upgrade the RAM, it'll be even better. OS X 10.1 might run a tad slow on it (of course the first version won't be as fast as the improved one), but Panther is blazing. With all due respect, you're flat-out wrong on OS X's performance.
Fortunately, with OS X every time a new version comes out it runs better on slower hardware... atleast so far atleast. The changes from Puma -> Jaguar -> Panther have always increased speed.
Linux can't compete with OS X on the desktop. Anyone who says it can is living in a fantasy world, or is simply a linux zealot. No offense, but slashdot can be blinded by the latter occasionally.
How does "Tempted by Mac OS but not thrilled with the hardware cost?" equal to just an alternate OS? It's comparing MacOS and Syllable. It's insinuating syllable is a free x86(cheaper hardware) version of a macos-like alternative. Which it's not. That's like saying "tempted by Walmart, but not thrilled with the distance there? Go to Bob's Backyard Retail Store." That's insinuating Bob's backyard retail store and Walmart are similar.
"You're astoundingly lacking in the reading comprehension department!"
For USians, if you voted for George Bush, and supported republican policy that'd be fixed. He is a supporter of a "loser pays" rule, so Microsoft would end up having to pay all the court and lawyer fees for you after you win. Furthermore it would prevent frivolous lawsuits like SCO v. Linux. Democrats are a staunch hater of such rules.
Furthermore, the k5 article about Kerry being worse than Ashcroft on civil liberties is an interesting thing to ponder this election year.
"Tempted by Mac OS but not thrilled with the hardware cost?"
Ugh, having the start menu at the top isn't really making it like MacOS, and it sure seems that's the only similar thing. It doesn't even integrate the application menus into the title bar. Another great part of MacOS is the fact it "just works." I doubt you get this with Syllable. Furthermore, the MacOS UI is a lot nicer.
Moreover, I doubt this OS will really take off with a "big future." BeOS/QNX/etc were a lot spiffier, and they didn't survive. I wish them the best of luck, however.
"[...] the NetBSD improvements are generally applicable to all classes of machines."
It's good to see people still caring about older hardware; DragonFlyBSD developers (Note: not Matt Dillon or anyone incredibly highup) basically wrote off the idea of supporting anything other than new hardware when I was talking to them. That's silly practice, in my opinion, and I hope that's not the mantra of the higher up developers, but I digress.
"It's actually quite amusing to see NetBSD development labelled as "slow" compared to OpenBSD."
OpenBSD seems to be making a lot of non-kernel additions, such as OpenNTPd/OpenSSH/implementing X.org/and the such. It's too bad these two groups can't see eye-to-eye, or we'd have one heck of an OS... portable, secure, innovative, etc. Although, OpenBSD code is portable due to it's heritage, it doesn't take advantage of it like NetBSD.
I've always been a fan of NetBSD, and thought it was a lot cleaner and better developed OS, imho. Theo's antics are, personally, enough to shy me away from using it.
Indeed, they're just a company trying to make money. They're not hacking web sites and forcing said sites put their banners up. Sure, you dislike ads, but take it out on the people putting them in their html, not the actual ad companies.
Moreover, the ends do not justify the means...
I think it's more of a gambling thing. Compare investing in SCO to winning the lottery... if they fail, you're out your ticket, but if you win, you're going to win big.
First off, i'd like to say i'm not alluding to NetBSD, or BSD, dying. However, it seems NetBSD's pace is awfully slow compared to OpenBSD and FreeBSD, or even DragonFly. NetBSD 1.6 came out September 14, 2002. Versions 1.6.1 and 1.6.2 were pretty much just security fixes.
Seems like they're being pretty stagnant. PF still won't be in 2.0, that's a shame, imho. They've managed to do a lot of superfluous activities, though; for example, they've achieved Trademark status on NetBSD, and attained 501(c)(3) tax-exemption status.
Although I like NetBSD, and think it's a wonderful project that has superb, portable code... i'd, personally, like to see more development and less superfluous activities, especially considering how expensive activities such as trademark status are. Who do they think is going to steal their title anyway? Although, if I remember correctly from a debian mailing list thread, their trademark status _did_ hinder Debian/NetBSD being released.
Looks like all he's threatening to do is sell the address and public information to spammers... it's not like that is THAT big of a deal. If he was threatening to sell credit card information along with Social Security numbers, then that'd be a different story. This is just another case of someone getting hacked into.. it's not the first time, and it won't be the last. I'd say an example of a site getting said valuable information, such as CC#'s, stolen would be quite a bigger deal.
Then again, I don't think he's really saying he's going to do it, just threaten to do so to cause a ruckus so the admins will take him seriously and fix problems... moreover, fix security problems before adding the-kitchen-sink feature.
If you saw this walk up to you, you'd be really freaked out. I know I would be... that things creepy looking.
"Then you select the ftp server you want to use for the install and it installs very quickly."
Ugh, I don't have whatever kind of bandwidth you have in my house, so installing an OS on a couple of systems through an ftp install would take a nice whopping couple of days. It's faster and more efficient to download one iso, and just reuse it over and over. Not to mention, I can download an iso and burn it at a friend's house who has cable or DSL, then use it to install on a system that only has a dialup connection.
"I recently ordered the 3.5 CD set and it took a looonnnggg time to arrive. Since I was in a hurry, I just installed from the Internet and had no problems at all."
On Dial-up, it'd probably take less time to wait for the postman to deliver it by horse than it would to download the entire distribution.
The license is ambiguous, and uses the term "without fee" in a way that could easily be construed as "you can distribute this if you don't charge a fee" instead of "you have permission to do stuff, without having to pay a fee to me".
In either such case, OpenBSD be putting itself into harm's way. I personally don't like how they refuse to release iso's, so that you have to buy the CDs. The CD, mind you, is an unfortunate whopping $40.
However, it's good to see a "free-er" version of ntpd out there. It seems like OpenBSD is competing with GNU in the political aspect of software.
They probably had to give windowsupdate.com to Microsoft as part of the judgment.
eloquent? do you mean elegant?
It was a typo... or was it? Maybe i'm going to go on a killing spree. You'll know soon when you read the post regarding the Slashdotter whose computers led him to homicide. Then again, slashdot posters would probably lead me to such before pkgsrc.
I wish that it had some Apt-Get sort of thing (besides Swaret/Slapt-get which have a low package base in comparison.
Although slackware's 'pkgtool' is rather disappointing tool, you can install NetBSD's pkgsrc for slackware, and it can handle and install all your packages. I have found pkgsrc to be very useful, and very eloquent.
For a walkthrough on getting it working in slackware, Marrti Kuperinen has created an easy guide that can get you up and running with pkgsrc on Slackware in no time.
Um... BOINC _is_ the "next generation tool." SETI@Home uses it too. It's open source, and lots of projects use it.
Although their team is small, it's compiled with very competent and capable developers such as Jeffrey Hsu and Matt Dillon, among others.
Also, a small commit team helps get things done at a faster rate, whereas it's not so hard to get things added.
Quoting Matt Dillon, the project creator:
We have been in rigorous discussion over what kind of ports/packaging system we want to have. We have already agreed that the core ports/packaging system visible to end-users should be a binary system rather then a source build system. This isn't to say that sources would not be made available for customization purposes, just that most users just want to get a port/package installed as quickly as possible. While the BSD ports/packaging system does have a binary install capability it is insufficient for our needs.
The other thing we've decided on is to give the ports/packaging system the ability to isolate installations. One of the biggest problems one has maintaining a large multi-use system is when upgrading a package for one particular subsystem. Upgrades to the packages for one subsystem can interfere with packages already installed for another, and sysops cannot afford to have upgrades break unrelated subsystems. So, for example, we want there to be isolation between the packages associated with, say, the mail subsystem, and packages associated with, say, a workstation user. The two subsystems might install the same package or might install different versions of the same package... we want that to work.
Also... in response to whether they might use pkgsrc, he replies...
We are considering everything. Nothing is set in stone yet.
Quoting Matt Dillon, the project creator:
However, while committer relations have always been an issue, DragonFly split off from FreeBSD-5 over major architectural differences, not anything else. We really do feel that FreeBSD-5 is taking the wrong approach to SMP and building something that is so complex that it will ultimately not be maintainable. We think we have a better way.
You can find more information if you actually visit the project homepage, or read a fairly recent ONLamp.com interview with the developers.
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