You just wait, mister, until enough people start using Lynx. Then they'll start coding malware for Lynx. Just think! Pop-ups, Homepage changing... You might even get browser-hijacked to porn sights!
The truth of an opinion is subjective. It's impossible for you to declare an opinion to be "indeterminate" because that is your own subjective opinion on his opinion.
Well, yes and no. You're correct when you say an opinion is subjective. But the truth of an opinion is not subjective. Having an opinion means it may be impossible to gather the evidence to prove your case. For instance, it is my opinion that NP-complete problems are intractable. We don't know if that's true or false, and I may not be able to prove it.
Indeterminism is almost like a trinary system of logic, although that's an over-simplification. So long as an opinion is true or false, but not indeterminate, it's a valid opinion to hold.
Instead of referencing dictionaries and attempting anal retentive debate tactics, how about taking a deep breath and realizing people have differing perspectives on things?
Because I'm appealing to a higher, more abstract layer than just opinions; a common, objective system of logic.
And, yes, of course we all have different perspectives. But perception alone isn't everything. The mere fact that we're both relying on a shared system to state our arguments hints at a common, shared universal experience external to our perceptions, stymieing any meta-physical argument for radical skepticism.
If you want to feel superior with your ability to think logically, fine, well and good. But I'll suggest that the warm and fuzzy feeling from feeling superior is a pale shadow of the warm and fuzzies from teaching others...
Teaching via brow-beating isn't very convincing either. I don't recall that my explanation of the hole in the argument belittled the poster or otherwise patronized him/her by name calling.
Are you a grammar Nazi as well as a logic Nazi?
From A Rulebook for Arguments, 3rd ed., by Anthony Weston: "Do not make your argument look good by mocking or distorting the other side. Generally, people advocate a position for serious and sincere reasons." (Chapter 1, section 5, pp. 6-7).
You can teach kids how to use a gun, but you cannot make them mature over night.
That's why someone should wait until their kids are mature enough to understand the consequences before teaching them things like guns. Driving is a good example also. Although ignorance doesn't work either. To paraphrase Kierkoff (sic): "Security through obscurity: isn't."
So they're teaching skills. That's not ethics. "Ethical" hacking, if there is such a thing, requires action, not just a skill set. So the ethical part is how you use your skills.
Not everything has to be a thesis here, y'know. I don't get why people only ever demand proof for an opinion when it's an opinion that goes against the majority.
Yet an opinion has to be either true or false. It doesn't matter which one. However, what I said was that his argument is indeterminate, and therefore can't be a valid opinion.
If Java worked well, it wouldn't be one of the languages that a ton of people hate to work with because of how annoying it is... granted, that is due to the poor VM rather then the problems within the language itself...
Your argument is attempting to prove that Java does not, in fact, work well. What you're saying goes something like this:
Java doesn't work well.
Therefore Java is annoying.
Therefore a ton of people hate to work with it.
You can't assume that point #1 is correct because you can never assume that which you are trying to prove. The only proof (albeit subjective proof) you offer is that "tons of people hate to work with it." But if we grant that to you then you're affirming the consequent. Again, something you can not do. This argument doesn't work.
Well, since we already have poetry from spam we have the lyrics. So just add a tune. I hear something like the cheesy music you hear at a circus with the clowns.
Actually, all three of those are also "malware". In general, you can call malware anything that runs without the users consent and/or knowledge. This could include adware, spyware, or DRM.
If they had made the first movie in India then Aunt May would've had to throw herself on Peter's uncle's funeral pyre.
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Umm...offtopic, but I still feel constrained to reply: Fahrenheit 9/11 is a "mockumentary". It is not real life. It is a carefully collected montage of video clips designed to preach to the choir. The people who listen to Michael Moore and Al Franken and take them seriously are no different than the people who listen to Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter; they're listening to what they want to hear.
Exactly. I don't care if Moore is making a correct judgement or not. He's not taking the correct approach. Brow beating me with your opinion won't make me agree with you, only dislike you more.
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when do we start enforcing the constitution and putting a stop to legalized political bribery?
As a representative of the World Ethical Association of Salient Entrepreneurial Lobbyists (WEASEL), I must say that your statements constitute libel. Our attorney, Leonard "J" Crabs will be in contact. For the legal proceedings may we suggest KY.
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You just wait, mister, until enough people start using Lynx. Then they'll start coding malware for Lynx. Just think! Pop-ups, Homepage changing... You might even get browser-hijacked to porn sights!
Mmm... ASCII porn...
Glad to hear we're advancing new technologies. We need everything we have to catch up to the Chinese in the fireworks arms race.
The truth of an opinion is subjective. It's impossible for you to declare an opinion to be "indeterminate" because that is your own subjective opinion on his opinion.
Well, yes and no. You're correct when you say an opinion is subjective. But the truth of an opinion is not subjective. Having an opinion means it may be impossible to gather the evidence to prove your case. For instance, it is my opinion that NP-complete problems are intractable. We don't know if that's true or false, and I may not be able to prove it.
Indeterminism is almost like a trinary system of logic, although that's an over-simplification. So long as an opinion is true or false, but not indeterminate, it's a valid opinion to hold.
Instead of referencing dictionaries and attempting anal retentive debate tactics, how about taking a deep breath and realizing people have differing perspectives on things?
Because I'm appealing to a higher, more abstract layer than just opinions; a common, objective system of logic.
And, yes, of course we all have different perspectives. But perception alone isn't everything. The mere fact that we're both relying on a shared system to state our arguments hints at a common, shared universal experience external to our perceptions, stymieing any meta-physical argument for radical skepticism.
If you want to feel superior with your ability to think logically, fine, well and good. But I'll suggest that the warm and fuzzy feeling from feeling superior is a pale shadow of the warm and fuzzies from teaching others...
Teaching via brow-beating isn't very convincing either. I don't recall that my explanation of the hole in the argument belittled the poster or otherwise patronized him/her by name calling.
Are you a grammar Nazi as well as a logic Nazi?
From A Rulebook for Arguments, 3rd ed., by Anthony Weston: "Do not make your argument look good by mocking or distorting the other side. Generally, people advocate a position for serious and sincere reasons." (Chapter 1, section 5, pp. 6-7).
You can teach kids how to use a gun, but you cannot make them mature over night.
That's why someone should wait until their kids are mature enough to understand the consequences before teaching them things like guns. Driving is a good example also. Although ignorance doesn't work either. To paraphrase Kierkoff (sic): "Security through obscurity: isn't."
So they're teaching skills. That's not ethics. "Ethical" hacking, if there is such a thing, requires action, not just a skill set. So the ethical part is how you use your skills.
Everything you say is correct
Why thank you.
- Java is still a Sun promoted item that nobody wanted.
Now that, I didn't say.
Java, the language of college-weenies to lazy to learn anything else.
Not too lazy to learn the difference between "to", "two", and "too" though.
Not everything has to be a thesis here, y'know. I don't get why people only ever demand proof for an opinion when it's an opinion that goes against the majority.
Yet an opinion has to be either true or false. It doesn't matter which one. However, what I said was that his argument is indeterminate, and therefore can't be a valid opinion.
I don't understand why people hate Java so much...
public class SomeCode { public static void main(String[] args) { Buffer.overflow(new Rootkit("31337 3y3 0wN j00z")); } }Most developers are retraded too.
Does that include Greg Maddux? He did, after all, get retraded to the Cubs.
If Java worked well, it wouldn't be one of the languages that a ton of people hate to work with because of how annoying it is... granted, that is due to the poor VM rather then the problems within the language itself...
Your argument is attempting to prove that Java does not, in fact, work well. What you're saying goes something like this:
You can't assume that point #1 is correct because you can never assume that which you are trying to prove. The only proof (albeit subjective proof) you offer is that "tons of people hate to work with it." But if we grant that to you then you're affirming the consequent. Again, something you can not do. This argument doesn't work.
The more you spend on diamonds, the more empty headed you are.
Or well trained by your significant other.
Being smart sucks.
Tell that to Socrates.
Well how about music from spam?
Well, since we already have poetry from spam we have the lyrics. So just add a tune. I hear something like the cheesy music you hear at a circus with the clowns.
Malware, maybe. Virus/Worm/Trojan?
Actually, all three of those are also "malware". In general, you can call malware anything that runs without the users consent and/or knowledge. This could include adware, spyware, or DRM.
If they had made the first movie in India then Aunt May would've had to throw herself on Peter's uncle's funeral pyre.
Umm...offtopic, but I still feel constrained to reply: Fahrenheit 9/11 is a "mockumentary". It is not real life. It is a carefully collected montage of video clips designed to preach to the choir. The people who listen to Michael Moore and Al Franken and take them seriously are no different than the people who listen to Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter; they're listening to what they want to hear.
Exactly. I don't care if Moore is making a correct judgement or not. He's not taking the correct approach. Brow beating me with your opinion won't make me agree with you, only dislike you more.
when do we start enforcing the constitution and putting a stop to legalized political bribery?
As a representative of the World Ethical Association of Salient Entrepreneurial Lobbyists (WEASEL), I must say that your statements constitute libel. Our attorney, Leonard "J" Crabs will be in contact. For the legal proceedings may we suggest KY.
Doesn't Gary switch with Chicago?
Yes. And not just Gary. All of Lake county, Porter county, and I think most if not all of Jasper and St. Joseph counties.
And don't forget SimGasMask.
Don't know how much that'd help. Judging from the people I know who are from up there, you'll be having SimLungProblems either way.
Is this RodKU from Coltpower? You owe me a steak dinner at St. Elmo's!
Sorry, afraid not. No steak here.
Will this help Gary, Indiana?
Only if you download SimBulletProofVest.
I think they said it was Indiana, anyway.
You heard right. Come to Purdue in West Lafayette. It's like Little Delhi.
how do I send in the tornadoes?
The tornadoes have been doing a good job of getting themselves going as of late.
On an unrelated note: How would Dan Quayle spell "tornadoes"?
And is offering me a ride in his shiny car.
I think you mean tractor.
Ride! Ride! Ride!
Plow! Plow! Plow!
Oh, is it called SimIndiana because you can pretend to be a Hoosier?
Remeber that your SimCorn should be as high as a SimElephant's eye by the Fourth of July.