It gets interesting there because there have been so many challenges in every direction to internet censoring and book censoring in libraries, completly different medium. I will bend over and accept my ass kicking and continue living in my libertean dream world.
Don't you think someone who loved the Constitution so much would have an issue enforcing a law on speech when the Constitution plainly lays out that the government is ordered to leave speech alone?
I figured the first reply would be mention community standards, children, or the court's history of trying to deny first amendment protection to radio, not an attack on someone's intelligence. Heck, I'm presenting a better counter-attack to my arguement than you...
Wow, he is all over the place, one sentence he loves the first amendment, the next he is saying [paraphrased] "well, enforcing indecency laws are different, it was the will of the people, there is legislation!".
To Michael: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Badnarik was trying to serve the Commission on Presidential Debates with an order to show cause (located here from an Arizona judge. Members of the LP attempted to serve the CPD earlier in the day at their Washington D.C. headquarters and were met with security guards.
The official Badnarik/Campagna 04 website has a page that is being continuously updated with news as it comes in, it appears that Badnarik is now out of jail and resting. The page is located here.
The French also want them to remove the nazi apparel from their.com address, which is operated in the US, as well as their.fr address (which they apparently have a legit gripe over) and are threatening to sue if they don't. Yahoo and the ACLU were trying to get a court to rule that a suit from France would have no legal grounds against a US based site.
Will Ferrell had already left SNL when he made Anchorman and other than Chris Parnell there was no SNL connection. I listed only movies that were skit spin offs, generally movies done by ex-SNLers or SNL movies that don't originate from skits (Tommy Boy for example) are hits whilst the skits bomb on the big screen.
I listed only spin offs of SNL skits, not movies done under the SNL banner (Mean Girls, Tommy Boy [directed by Lorne Michaels and written by one or more SNL staff) or movies done by SNLers after they left (Old School, Austin Powers).
When making my list I kept it to spin offs of SNL skits. There are a number of films like Tommy Boy and Mean Girls that were more or less released under the SNL banner (being produced by Lorne Michaels and written by one or more SNL staff), most of which have faired far better than the skit spin off flicks.
So, you paid dues to an organization you were already a member of, and you made some posts on a web board. Really went above and beyond didn't we. While I had been a long time supporter of the ACLU (non-finacially), I didn't make my first donation until after 9/11, and other than Slashdot (which I didn't join til recently, have been reading for 3 or 4 years) I only post on one other site (college hockey). I mostly talked to the teen voters that I work with, friends, their families, etc.
Again with the Patriot Act nonsense. Ok, here's what happened, try to keep up. A poorly thought out idea was passed into law, in the heat of the moment. In the course of time, the law was challenged, and is piece by piece being declared unconstitutional. That is EXACTLY how the system works. The fact that some people had it rough for a while is a shame (honestly, I mean that) but the system works. It's working as we speak, yet somehow the Patriot Act is still a boogeyman you try to use to frighten people. You're as bad as the administration that cries "TERROEISM!!!" every time they need something done It's something that should have never been passed in the first place and that fact that it was should frighten people.
What (aside from your inherent paranoia) leads you to believe this will happen? National ID cards, the recent Supreme Court cases on IDs and ISPs reading your email, CARINVORE, denied FOIA requests, etc. Is it imminent, no, but is it something that could happen down the line, I hope not.
You see, the difference between you and me is simple. You think the Government runs the country, and could eventually control us if it wants to. I believe that America is a place where the People do the talking, and no matter how much the government tries, that will never change. I hope to god it continues to stay the way you describe it, the reason I care and make an issue of it is because I want it to stay that way.
First of all, why didn't you answer my question? You posed many questions, my apologizes for overlooking this one. Yes, I did oppose the PATRIOT Act and as well as making financial donations to the ACLU and EFF to help overturn it I tried to get the word out of the potential ramifications.
Secondly, I don't think people who question the President are un-American, and I'd wager more people are like me in that regard than not. I never said "ifwm thinks people who disagree with the President are unpatriotic", so I'm sorry if you misread it that way, but there was/still is a great deal of backlash against disagreeing with the popular opinion in a time of war. Look at the way the right has labeled the Dixie Chicks and Michael Moore anti-American.
As far as "a majority of the public" confiding in the Patriot Act, most of the public doesn't even know what it does, so how can they "confide" in it. What does that mean anyway that the public "confides" in the Patriot Act? They call it up and tell it whent they're having a bad day? They tell it about a cheating spouse? So much of the public supports the PATRIOT Act for that exact reason, they don't know what is in it, because surely if they did they would not support such an insane trampling of our rights. Say it will stop terrorists and you've got the bandwagon on board, no questions asked.
Lastly, no one believes civil-libertarians wear "tinfoil hats" just paranoid wackjobs like you. How am I a whack job?
No, Ashcroft doesn't drink coffee because of the caffeine so I can't imagine him being a huge Coke fan, but the abuse of technologies like these is what you should keep an eye on.
Except more and more of the Patriot Act is getting shot down every day. A great deal of damage has already been done.
By the way you say "the public" didn't question the Patriot Act. Speak for yourself (you're part of "the public" right?) I know I sure had plenty to say about it. An overwhelming amount of the public didn't question the PATRIOT Act, and I'd say even now that a majority of the public still confides in it, mostly because they are uniformed. Remember, if you question the President you are un-American and civil-libertarians all wear tinfoil hats to these people. Is it not possible they could pull a fast one on us again?
I believe Dave Barry has prior art on this, Year in Review.
JUNE: 17 -- True Item: A consumer in Seattle reports finding a hypodermic syringe in a can of Diet Pepsi.
JULY: 1 -- A consumer in Detroit reports finding a switchblade knife in a can of Diet Pepsi.
AUGUST 3 -- A consumer in Baton Rouge reports finding a machete in a can of Diet Pepsi.
SEPTEMBER 1 -- A consumer in Boston reports finding an AK-47 assault rifle in a can of Diet Pepsi. 5 -- In a move strongly opposed by the National Rifle Association, the California State Legislature passes a law requiring a five-day "cooling-off" period on purchases of Diet Pepsi.
OCTOBER 1 -- A consumer in Phoenix reports finding a nuclear submarine in a can of Diet Pepsi.
NOVEMBER 1 -- A consumer in Detroit reports finding a full combat division of the Iraqi army in a can of Diet Pepsi.
DECEMBER 1 -- A consumer in Orlando reports finding the Ark of the Covenant in a can of Diet Pepsi.
Combine RFID and GPS in the name of national security (hey, if the public didn't question the PATRIOT Act what are the chances they are going to question this), boom, let the Minority Report flashbacks begin.
"You can win, but you can't hide" as their promo stand ups in grocery stores read. Items tracking you, just a hint of waht is to come with RFID. Be afraid.
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It gets interesting there because there have been so many challenges in every direction to internet censoring and book censoring in libraries, completly different medium. I will bend over and accept my ass kicking and continue living in my libertean dream world.
Don't you think someone who loved the Constitution so much would have an issue enforcing a law on speech when the Constitution plainly lays out that the government is ordered to leave speech alone?
I figured the first reply would be mention community standards, children, or the court's history of trying to deny first amendment protection to radio, not an attack on someone's intelligence. Heck, I'm presenting a better counter-attack to my arguement than you...
Wow, he is all over the place, one sentence he loves the first amendment, the next he is saying [paraphrased] "well, enforcing indecency laws are different, it was the will of the people, there is legislation!".
To Michael:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
My mistake, replace C for Java and the ultimate message is still the same.
I'm disappointed with the EFF, in my opinion the money would have been better spent defending princple in the legal system, not in Java.
{S Goodbye
*watches post get modded away*
meh, overlooked that it was the same link, but the rest of the post is relevant as the mention of the serving of the papers was left out.
Badnarik was trying to serve the Commission on Presidential Debates with an order to show cause (located here from an Arizona judge. Members of the LP attempted to serve the CPD earlier in the day at their Washington D.C. headquarters and were met with security guards.
The official Badnarik/Campagna 04 website has a page that is being continuously updated with news as it comes in, it appears that Badnarik is now out of jail and resting. The page is located here.
The French also want them to remove the nazi apparel from their .com address, which is operated in the US, as well as their .fr address (which they apparently have a legit gripe over) and are threatening to sue if they don't. Yahoo and the ACLU were trying to get a court to rule that a suit from France would have no legal grounds against a US based site.
Will Ferrell had already left SNL when he made Anchorman and other than Chris Parnell there was no SNL connection. I listed only movies that were skit spin offs, generally movies done by ex-SNLers or SNL movies that don't originate from skits (Tommy Boy for example) are hits whilst the skits bomb on the big screen.
I listed only spin offs of SNL skits, not movies done under the SNL banner (Mean Girls, Tommy Boy [directed by Lorne Michaels and written by one or more SNL staff) or movies done by SNLers after they left (Old School, Austin Powers).
It ran on SNL as well. Season 20, episode 371. SNL episode guide
When making my list I kept it to spin offs of SNL skits. There are a number of films like Tommy Boy and Mean Girls that were more or less released under the SNL banner (being produced by Lorne Michaels and written by one or more SNL staff), most of which have faired far better than the skit spin off flicks.
Hollowman
Almost any of the SNL movies minus Wayne's World, Blues Brothers, and Office Space (started as a short animated SNL skit).
It's Pat
The Ladies Man
A Night At The Roxbury
Superstar
Stuart Saves His Family
Mr. Bill's Real Life Adventures
Coneheads
Blues Brothers 2000
Now a Sprockets movie... that would have kicked ass...
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Drr... Network Adapter Does Not Work if Unplugged
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Thank god Mozilla remembers passwords Error Message: Your Password Must Be at Least 18770 Characters and Cannot Repeat Any of Your Previous 30689 Passwords
!!! Explorapedia Nature: Earth Rotates in Wrong Direction
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After installing MS-DOS on a computer system with both MS-DOS and UNIX, your SCO UNIX login sign disappears. - no complaints here UNIX Login Sign Disappears After Installing MS-DOS
MS gets straight to the point Homepub Error Message: Something Is Missing...
Can you hear me now? WD2002: Text Is Typed by Office Assistant Sounds When Microphone Is Turned off or Unplugged
They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery Left Mouse Button Click Acts Like Right Mouse Button Click
Hunny I shrunk the kids part 4 MSB Human Body Minimizes When Printing To HP Deskjet
So what happens if you create a Windows folder in
You don't say... ACC2000: Opening and Closing a Form Hundreds of Times Noticeably Affects System Resources
Rim shot please... Julia Child Err Msg: Insufficient Memory to Function
Has happened to me before Plus! 98: Computer Hangs When You Start Lose Your Marbles
Douglas Adams couldn't top this "Object Not Found" Error Message Accessing "The Known Universe" in MMS
And an oil change... MSB Solar: ErrMsg: Magic School Bus Needs More Memory
So, you paid dues to an organization you were already a member of, and you made some posts on a web board. Really went above and beyond didn't we.
While I had been a long time supporter of the ACLU (non-finacially), I didn't make my first donation until after 9/11, and other than Slashdot (which I didn't join til recently, have been reading for 3 or 4 years) I only post on one other site (college hockey). I mostly talked to the teen voters that I work with, friends, their families, etc.
Again with the Patriot Act nonsense. Ok, here's what happened, try to keep up. A poorly thought out idea was passed into law, in the heat of the moment. In the course of time, the law was challenged, and is piece by piece being declared unconstitutional. That is EXACTLY how the system works. The fact that some people had it rough for a while is a shame (honestly, I mean that) but the system works. It's working as we speak, yet somehow the Patriot Act is still a boogeyman you try to use to frighten people. You're as bad as the administration that cries "TERROEISM!!!" every time they need something done
It's something that should have never been passed in the first place and that fact that it was should frighten people.
What (aside from your inherent paranoia) leads you to believe this will happen?
National ID cards, the recent Supreme Court cases on IDs and ISPs reading your email, CARINVORE, denied FOIA requests, etc. Is it imminent, no, but is it something that could happen down the line, I hope not.
You see, the difference between you and me is simple. You think the Government runs the country, and could eventually control us if it wants to. I believe that America is a place where the People do the talking, and no matter how much the government tries, that will never change.
I hope to god it continues to stay the way you describe it, the reason I care and make an issue of it is because I want it to stay that way.
We are more alike than you choose to believe.
First of all, why didn't you answer my question?
You posed many questions, my apologizes for overlooking this one. Yes, I did oppose the PATRIOT Act and as well as making financial donations to the ACLU and EFF to help overturn it I tried to get the word out of the potential ramifications.
Secondly, I don't think people who question the President are un-American, and I'd wager more people are like me in that regard than not.
I never said "ifwm thinks people who disagree with the President are unpatriotic", so I'm sorry if you misread it that way, but there was/still is a great deal of backlash against disagreeing with the popular opinion in a time of war. Look at the way the right has labeled the Dixie Chicks and Michael Moore anti-American.
As far as "a majority of the public" confiding in the Patriot Act, most of the public doesn't even know what it does, so how can they "confide" in it. What does that mean anyway that the public "confides" in the Patriot Act? They call it up and tell it whent they're having a bad day? They tell it about a cheating spouse?
So much of the public supports the PATRIOT Act for that exact reason, they don't know what is in it, because surely if they did they would not support such an insane trampling of our rights. Say it will stop terrorists and you've got the bandwagon on board, no questions asked.
Lastly, no one believes civil-libertarians wear "tinfoil hats" just paranoid wackjobs like you.
How am I a whack job?
No, Ashcroft doesn't drink coffee because of the caffeine so I can't imagine him being a huge Coke fan, but the abuse of technologies like these is what you should keep an eye on.
Except more and more of the Patriot Act is getting shot down every day.
A great deal of damage has already been done.
By the way you say "the public" didn't question the Patriot Act. Speak for yourself (you're part of "the public" right?) I know I sure had plenty to say about it.
An overwhelming amount of the public didn't question the PATRIOT Act, and I'd say even now that a majority of the public still confides in it, mostly because they are uniformed. Remember, if you question the President you are un-American and civil-libertarians all wear tinfoil hats to these people. Is it not possible they could pull a fast one on us again?
Or, perhaps microwaving everything that is not supposed to be an electronic device would be adequate. Warm Coke? Yuck!
I believe Dave Barry has prior art on this, Year in Review.
JUNE:
17 -- True Item: A consumer in Seattle reports finding a hypodermic syringe in a can of Diet Pepsi.
JULY:
1 -- A consumer in Detroit reports finding a switchblade knife in a can of Diet Pepsi.
AUGUST
3 -- A consumer in Baton Rouge reports finding a machete in a can of Diet Pepsi.
SEPTEMBER
1 -- A consumer in Boston reports finding an AK-47 assault rifle in a can of Diet Pepsi.
5 -- In a move strongly opposed by the National Rifle Association, the California State Legislature passes a law requiring a five-day "cooling-off" period on purchases of Diet Pepsi.
OCTOBER
1 -- A consumer in Phoenix reports finding a nuclear submarine in a can of Diet Pepsi.
NOVEMBER
1 -- A consumer in Detroit reports finding a full combat division of the Iraqi army in a can of Diet Pepsi.
DECEMBER
1 -- A consumer in Orlando reports finding the Ark of the Covenant in a can of Diet Pepsi.
Combine RFID and GPS in the name of national security (hey, if the public didn't question the PATRIOT Act what are the chances they are going to question this), boom, let the Minority Report flashbacks begin.
"You can win, but you can't hide" as their promo stand ups in grocery stores read. Items tracking you, just a hint of waht is to come with RFID. Be afraid.
Stop looking at me Swan!