yes i'm aware of that. i was responding about wlan, usb, and firewire. i don't do gaming, so the 3D stuff isn't a huge issue for me. and believe it or not, neither is it a problem for most people who use laptops.
i do wish video support was better, but until hardware vendors open up the specs it will always be difficult for ANY alternative operating system. but despite this, i have NO problem using linux on my laptop. it does everything i need it to, including playing video, etc..
Funny thing is that the first thing that occurred to me the first time I booted up the Ubuntu Live CD was, "Holy crap, my grandmother could use this!"
(She's good at email and the web, but she finds updating the virus scanner kind of confusing.. wish I could tell her she didn't need a virus scanner. If it was up to me, I'd install it for her.. but on the other hand, it took her so much effort to learn Windows I don't want to change things on her now.)
That's strange. I recently installed Debian on my laptop. USB worked out of the box, and WLAN just took an install of the NDISWRAPPER. (Haven't tried firewire as i don't have anything that uses it.)
Everything works just fine. For all intents and purposes it didn't really required anything more than installing on a desktop, nor was it really any more work than a windows install. (But don't ask me to get direct rendering and 3D acceleration to work... *sigh*)
So yeah, I use linux on my laptop everyday. And i love it.:) What's the problem again?
the problem with that kind of thinking (and i do wish it were true), is that it relies on a certain amount of "sanity".
unfortunately, oil prices have been artificially held back (wish i could find the link to the story i read this in), so they're just going to suddenly spike when we're looking the other way. Hello, End Of the World...!
damn right. the thing about the Moog was that it was the first "modular" synth.. the first time people could easily really honestly create their own sounds from scratch with a minimum amount of fuss. this fact alone spawned endless creativity in the artists that used them. thank you Mr. Moog, for giving us such wonderful ideas.:)
funny how you say THE genre, as if it is one genre. why make such a big deal when people go on a little bit of a tangent? i mean if people are talking about electronic instruments, you can't really expect them to not talk about electronic music. give me a break.
and this in a forum where every story no matter how diverse ends up being a discussion on the evils of microsoft.
it's not a competition.. he's just mentioning another very influencial name here.
Derbyshire did a lot of really interesting (and yes, pioneering) studio work, involving manipulating taped sine waves and all sorts of weird stuff. Chill out. Almost everyone who was working on electronic music in those days was part of inventing the tools to do so. It's not like she sat down for 5 minutes with Reason.
here here! well said. that's _exactly_ what i think, but i couldn't have put it so eloquently. people have got to accept this fact and move on... information, be it software, music, movies, or whatever, is no longer necessarily a good way to make money. this isn't a question of morals, it's just a fact... you can't protect information from being copied. it's too bad, but you just can't.
perhaps what we need then is a format where the user can download a very small file from the program's web page containing a package name and some sources.list entries.
Then, when you double-click on this file, it launches synaptic and automatically downloads and install the software (merging the included sources.list entries with the current ones).
One thing users will never do is edit sources.list themselves...
This would be nice, as the user would have a package to download and click on, but then it would still grab it using apt. And since you could include a new sources.list entry, developers could link to their own.deb files instead of relying on the debian package managers to include them in the main distro...
wicked, my first flamebait mod! but seriously, i think what i wrote was legitimate. i wasn't trying to troll. i find it odd that people are doing designs and pre-assigning them the Apple logo. Why not sell the designs to a competing company or something? Why would they default to selling them to Apple? And why would apple buy, when they have their own design teams?
hm... okay. i guess that makes sense. easy and quick, but still, burning 50 + cds everytime you want to upgrade is kind of annoying, no?
you could do a network-boot or something.. i dunno. oh well, whatever works..:)
i think indie artists rely more on netlabels and well-designed personal web sites. also, chatting on forums and posting said links.
i really don't think p2p forums are used all that much for distributing indie music, because the average Kazaa user will not really download something they don't recognize, even if it shows up on a file listing. also, if something is published on a web site it's much easier to explicitly state things like licensing terms (creative commons, etc) which gets entirely skipped if the person just downloads it from a kazaa client.
the average single-track mp3 is between 3 and 10 megabytes, hardly a candidate for the advantages that bittorrent offers.
you'll have to excuse my ignorance of your situation, but i have a small question... why the heck would you base 50+ systems on Knoppix? Knoppix is a Live CD, meant for being a swiss-army-knife life saver, something you can boot up on any computer to show someone the wonders of Linux...
but it's not a distro meant for installing on a large network. It's not meant for "installing" at all, in fact... (i know you CAN, but you should install something that is meant for it, like Debian itself, or a derivative.)
I'm just curious as to your motive for this choice...
i don't disagree at all. i'm usually launching terminals all over the place to just run other apps, even to type "ooffice" for a file on my desktop.. I, like you, prefer grep and find to nautilus file browser.
But the point is that we're talking about "newbies" here, not me and you, and really when it comes down to it, it's NOT that hard to find your apps. Especially considering "newbies" will _not_ have 60 or so apps in their menus.
Besides, even if it was, you couldn't claim it's any harder than the competition.
Er, but i was thinking along the lines of a PDF printer driver, like the way PDF Writer works in Windows. Something not specific to a particular application. Is there any way of doing that?
that's why newbies should use a good desktop, like gnome or kde, where there's a little thing called a "menu".
Seriously, I've found that *most* (but not all) application packages in debian tend to install decent menu items.
However, I will admit that this isn't always the case. Sometimes after installing a package you do have to guess a bit at how to run it or what to look for though. (Especially if it's something you're just trying but maybe don't know much about.) It's more a question of easily accessible documentation. (Ie., users won't want to use "man". And besides, you need to know the command name before you can put "man" in front of it.)
But my point was that most of the time, I run synaptic, install a package, then hit the gnome Applications menu and find it right away. What's so hard about that?
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adjust your X config file to use /dev/input/mice
It usually combines all mouse input to one stream.
i do wish video support was better, but until hardware vendors open up the specs it will always be difficult for ANY alternative operating system. but despite this, i have NO problem using linux on my laptop. it does everything i need it to, including playing video, etc..
my point was that it wasn't all that hard.
p.s, thanks for your code, whatever it is.
(She's good at email and the web, but she finds updating the virus scanner kind of confusing.. wish I could tell her she didn't need a virus scanner. If it was up to me, I'd install it for her.. but on the other hand, it took her so much effort to learn Windows I don't want to change things on her now.)
Love these stories.. ;-)
Brilliant! Thank you for that. ;-)
That's strange. I recently installed Debian on my laptop. USB worked out of the box, and WLAN just took an install of the NDISWRAPPER. (Haven't tried firewire as i don't have anything that uses it.)
:)
Everything works just fine. For all intents and purposes it didn't really required anything more than installing on a desktop, nor was it really any more work than a windows install. (But don't ask me to get direct rendering and 3D acceleration to work... *sigh*)
So yeah, I use linux on my laptop everyday. And i love it.
What's the problem again?
the problem with that kind of thinking (and i do wish it were true), is that it relies on a certain amount of "sanity".
unfortunately, oil prices have been artificially held back (wish i could find the link to the story i read this in), so they're just going to suddenly spike when we're looking the other way. Hello, End Of the World...!
damn right. :)
the thing about the Moog was that it was the first "modular" synth.. the first time people could easily really honestly create their own sounds from scratch with a minimum amount of fuss. this fact alone spawned endless creativity in the artists that used them. thank you Mr. Moog, for giving us such wonderful ideas.
and this in a forum where every story no matter how diverse ends up being a discussion on the evils of microsoft.
Also I believe it was used for the opening chords to Planet Rock.. ;-)
Absolutely wicked tune.
it's not a competition.. he's just mentioning another very influencial name here.
Derbyshire did a lot of really interesting (and yes, pioneering) studio work, involving manipulating taped sine waves and all sorts of weird stuff. Chill out. Almost everyone who was working on electronic music in those days was part of inventing the tools to do so. It's not like she sat down for 5 minutes with Reason.
here here!
well said.
that's _exactly_ what i think, but i couldn't have put it so eloquently.
people have got to accept this fact and move on... information, be it software, music, movies, or whatever, is no longer necessarily a good way to make money. this isn't a question of morals, it's just a fact... you can't protect information from being copied. it's too bad, but you just can't.
I have to just say that that sounds like a *very* decent solution... :)
Thanks for explaining.
I'm impressed.
heh, thanks.. ;-) :)
i don't really care THAT much though..
but its always good to have people on your side..!
perhaps what we need then is a format where the user can download a very small file from the program's web page containing a package name and some sources.list entries.
.deb files instead of relying on the debian package managers to include them in the main distro...
Then, when you double-click on this file, it launches synaptic and automatically downloads and install the software (merging the included sources.list entries with the current ones).
One thing users will never do is edit sources.list themselves...
This would be nice, as the user would have a package to download and click on, but then it would still grab it using apt. And since you could include a new sources.list entry, developers could link to their own
that's not to say that it wouldn't be more efficient using it.
wicked, my first flamebait mod! but seriously, i think what i wrote was legitimate. i wasn't trying to troll. i find it odd that people are doing designs and pre-assigning them the Apple logo. Why not sell the designs to a competing company or something? Why would they default to selling them to Apple? And why would apple buy, when they have their own design teams?
hm... okay. i guess that makes sense. easy and quick, but still, burning 50 + cds everytime you want to upgrade is kind of annoying, no? you could do a network-boot or something.. i dunno. oh well, whatever works.. :)
i think indie artists rely more on netlabels and well-designed personal web sites. also, chatting on forums and posting said links.
i really don't think p2p forums are used all that much for distributing indie music, because the average Kazaa user will not really download something they don't recognize, even if it shows up on a file listing. also, if something is published on a web site it's much easier to explicitly state things like licensing terms (creative commons, etc) which gets entirely skipped if the person just downloads it from a kazaa client.
the average single-track mp3 is between 3 and 10 megabytes, hardly a candidate for the advantages that bittorrent offers.
you'll have to excuse my ignorance of your situation, but i have a small question... why the heck would you base 50+ systems on Knoppix? Knoppix is a Live CD, meant for being a swiss-army-knife life saver, something you can boot up on any computer to show someone the wonders of Linux...
but it's not a distro meant for installing on a large network. It's not meant for "installing" at all, in fact... (i know you CAN, but you should install something that is meant for it, like Debian itself, or a derivative.)
I'm just curious as to your motive for this choice...
I'm confused... isn't it up to Apple to say what the next Apple designs are going to look like?
i don't disagree at all. i'm usually launching terminals all over the place to just run other apps, even to type "ooffice" for a file on my desktop.. I, like you, prefer grep and find to nautilus file browser.
But the point is that we're talking about "newbies" here, not me and you, and really when it comes down to it, it's NOT that hard to find your apps. Especially considering "newbies" will _not_ have 60 or so apps in their menus.
Besides, even if it was, you couldn't claim it's any harder than the competition.
Er, but i was thinking along the lines of a PDF printer driver, like the way PDF Writer works in Windows. Something not specific to a particular application. Is there any way of doing that?
that's why newbies should use a good desktop, like gnome or kde, where there's a little thing called a "menu".
Seriously, I've found that *most* (but not all) application packages in debian tend to install decent menu items.
However, I will admit that this isn't always the case. Sometimes after installing a package you do have to guess a bit at how to run it or what to look for though. (Especially if it's something you're just trying but maybe don't know much about.) It's more a question of easily accessible documentation. (Ie., users won't want to use "man". And besides, you need to know the command name before you can put "man" in front of it.)
But my point was that most of the time, I run synaptic, install a package, then hit the gnome Applications menu and find it right away. What's so hard about that?