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Adobe Reader 7.0 Coming to Linux
Sometimes_Rational writes "There is now one less thing for Windows and Mac users to point to when claiming desktop usability superiority. While not officially listed in Adobe's download page, you can get Adobe Reader 7.0 for Linux from the company's FTP server
according to this
article at The Inquirer ,
which also has a review. The upshot is that Reader 7.0 for Linux
is as bloated as its Windows and Mac siblings, but it loads much
faster and is more useable than version 5. I imagine that this will get loads of comments about how Reader for Linux headed downhill after version 4. Or was it 3?"
What's wrong with xpdf? I am sure it loads a heck of a lot faster.
For instance, my Bank Statements have been coming in password protected files for years now. So I very much welcome this new product.
Linux users can endure the eternal system lag that is .pdf
Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all
I prefer xpdf because it loads much faster, and you can hit the 'r'eload button when you update your document. It's quite useful when you're working with LaTeX.
The "only" drawback I see is that sometimes when reading certain articles I get some really ugly, pixelated fonts.
I suppose there might be a fix around for that? Anyone?
A message from the system administrator: 'I've upped my priority. Now up yours.'
adobe has the poorest support for it's own PDF format.
After using Preview in OSX, nothing compares. On my windows boxes I regularly kill Adobe because it's so slow, although the author did say this one is faster...
Unless OSX's Preview has been ported to linux, then this a big *yawn*
For the impatent:
e nu/
ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/7x/7.0/
Since I work with many people who *still* have not switched to Open Office, I tend to export my OO files into PDF. At least I preserve my formatting much better than if I save as MS Office formats [filtering is better in OO 2.x I'm told].
PDF is also useful for sending read-only stuff like contracts or proposals - if you're the consultant types.
Now that Adobe updated Acrobat, maybe some of the more recent PDFs will be more renderable in Linux.
"You're gonna need a bigger boat." - Chief Brody
Thank god. I was just about to send them an e-mail, I get encrypted PDFs all the time, and I don't like having to bust out my laptop or VMWare. Glad they finally got with the pogram
Preview.app, in 10.3 and up is much much better then A. Reader 7.
It's FASTER, makes very pretty thumbnails of each page... Why would anyone use Adobe Reader 7.
Believe me, we most certainly don't point to Acrobat Reader when pointing out "desktop superiority".
In fact, I'd say it's pretty much the other way around!
Nice to see that Adobe is putting some effort into Linux and I'm sure the Adobe reader provides things open source readers don't yet support. Namely I think there is currently no OS reader that supports filling out forms.
That said, for all my needs, the new OS pdf readers are good enough. They used to suck (kpdf and gpdf were a joke and xpdf was simply ugly), but the new kpdf is simply awesome and the same goes for evince.
Now if only they'll port Photoshop, Illustrator, Premiere, InDesign, and all their other stuff... In other words, gimme the finger, I want the whole hand.
Acroread renders better than xpdf, and has much better document navigation features to boot.
Yes, xpdf is somewhat faster (although acroread7 feels faster to me than crappy old 5.x).
Good thing everyone can have both!
Anyone had it crash yet? Acroread 5.0.1 thru 5.0.6 (or so) crashed regularly for me...
Unless they release the source code under some OSS friendly license I doubt this will make a big diffrence. We already have real player for linux, but from what I see at my univ, most people are using mplayer or kaffeine.
If they release it under BSD or GPL, then I'm interested.
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I mostly use gv or gpdf because they're fast and simple for most PDFs. I have to admit, though, that it's nice to have an updated viewer for when I need to do things like deal with forms or some of the other esoteric functions of PDF.
Derek
Don't Panic...
yes, but does it run in....
hello? is this on?
http://www.livejournal.com/users/metricmusic
Lets hope they don't figure out a way to integrate annoying toolbars (see earlier article about MSIE Toolbar Integration)
One really cool thing about the 7.0 version of Adobe Readers is that they can be extended with Adobe LiveCycle Reader Extensions to add features that are normally only available when you buy Adobe Acrobat. Of course, Reader Extensions costs something. But what's great is that given the right "pixie dust", Linux is no longer a platform for just viewing PDFs, but it can do PDF Collaboration and forms routing just like its Windows and Macintosh counterparts.
Heh, I wonder if recent history (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/08/23412 13&tid=172&tid=146) is anything to go by.
It's still data freely available on the Internet but with no explicit authorisation to download.
Kinda makes you think, no?
I use gpdf, it loads all pdfs fine for me, and it intergrates nicely into gnome and mozilla, the only thing it has ever rendered incorrectly was that giant PDF from Mozilla.org when they put the ad in the new york times, the names showed up but the background firefox logo did not show up, So I launched it on my mac and preview opened it with no problems except it took 5 times longer than gpdf, hopefully gpdf fixes that small bug. otherwise its been great
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I can't wait for Ubuntu to add it to the repos...
I don't get a ton of PDF documents (mostly MS Office documents from the executive types at work...grrr), but I personally like gv. It has a nice, easy, clean interface and loads quickly.
What are it's drawbacks that make Adobe's Reader so much better?
I've been using this for several days under slackware, and I must say I'm impressed. It loads quickly enough (though not as fast as xpdf), but it fits right into my desktop as far as widgets go, and the rendering looks great! The printing support also work fine with the KDE system (you just tell it to print to "kprinter"), and so far I haven't experienced the weird orientation issues I sometimes get with landscape-oriented documents printing improperly.
As far as installation goes, I just used rpm2tgz to convert the downloaded rpm into a slackpack then used installpkg. I had to create a symlink to the executable, which was /usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/bin/acroread.
My biggest gripe so far is the annoying, but thankfully small, banner add in the top right corner advertising random Adobe services, but it's not *too* intrusive. Here is a screenshot.
Or you could use a PDF/PS viewer that's nicely integrated with your desktop, and has a sane feature-set and good usability. On GNOME we've got Evince, and on KDE there's KPDF. Evince (and now KPDF, I believe) is backed by the Freedesktop.org Poppler library (which is in turn backed by Cairo which can use hardware acceleration for faster PDF rendering). Kristian (as referenced earlier today on slashdot re: wobbly windows) is hard at work on adding nice features needed for desktop apps. Poppler is a fork from the Xpdf rendering code (with the maintainer's blessing, since he was using his own rendering infrastructure and didn't want to mix two backends into Xpdf).
We've been doing a lot of experimenting with making the "core features" of Evince better for on-screen reading, rather than working on the sort of extra packed in features in Acrobat. For example, when you press page down, evince will slightly darken the area on the screen where your page was as it smooth scrolls. That lets your eye track its position much easier, so once the scroll is over you just keep reading without a visual "seek". KPDF is cool too, so either way you swing you've got a good choice.
Acroread 7.0 is using GTK+ for its widgets, but this hardly makes it have a native "feel". Use it for a minute and its pretty clear its a cross-platform app port.
Seriously, 4 is the best if you're just looking to open up .pdf files and print them.
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There has been a gentoo ebuild for this for a week or longer now, I'm surprised this showed up now.
How old is this news? This was announced months ago, and I've been running v7 on my Gentoo box for two weeks...
It would really suck if Reader 7 is only 32-bit compatible.
Let's play Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. I'll be Pestilence.
Try kpdf 0.4 (one that comes with KDE 3.4)? This is what a pdf viewer should look like. 1. Type ahead search. 2. Easy copy-paste. With acrobat reader it is not possible to select/copy a paragraph in 2 column format document, but with kpdf one can easily do that. 3. Can watch for changes in the viewed file and update the view accordingly. 4. Presentation mode. 5. KDE app. Native look and feel. Can use kio_slaves. 6. No bloat. Open source.
"For the impatent"
.pdf's to load with Adobe software and plugins.
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Hey, who told you?
BTW, learn to spell!
I'm not really an impotent but I play one on t.v... (you may have seen my work in some Vi4g.r4 commercials)
All of my youth, and the envigorating sex life I could have had, was spent on waiting for various
How long must we be a victim of fate and circumstance?
As long as it takes to change our minds.
So far I've had problems printing most PDF's to an HP LJ4Si printer, but when I upgraded to 7, those problems went away. Yes, I confirmed that running xpdf or acroread 5 again still showed the same problems (blinking light showing job in printer, stops blinking after several seconds, no typical startup sounds).
FWIW, YMMV.
on windows as well, you just need to go in the installation directory, then in the Plugins subdirectory and remove EVERYTHING BUT these 3 files (just move them somewhere else so you can put them back if you have a problem)
EWH32.api
Search5.api
Search.api
after I did that and disabled the splash screen Acrobat reader 7 loads up nearly instantaneously on XP. I'm not taking credit for this, I found this tip somewhere I can't quite remember right now and it surely works!
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This has been on the front page of http://www.fedoraforum.org/FedoraForum.org[FedoraF orum.org] for a while now. Kinda late news, as I've been using it for a while now.
There's a difference. Even Opera (who I hold in high regard for their cross-platformness) doesn't have the latest versions available for all platforms. I understand not updating the BeOS port, but really... OS/2 is on Opera 5? I have professors who still use OS/2 as their primary desktop OS!
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I could deal with the bloat if the damn thing is more stable than Acrobat 5. It is one of the only closed-source desktop apps I use regularly in running my business. (The only reason I use it over xpdf or gpdf is because Acrobat allows me to print multiple copies of documents, where gpdf/xpdf do not! Does nobody print multiple copies of PDFs but me?)
It also happens to be the one app that routinely destroys the desktop. I often have to ssh into the desktop boxes because Acrobat has seized all input and won't let go. My employees frequently abandon virtual desktops because the Acrobat splash screen won't go away and they don't know how to kill it. (Have to show them how to use xkill I guess).
Acrobat 5 doesn't integrate well with the Linux desktop. It has a rude habit of grabbing keyboard input at unexpected times -- I have trouble switching virtual desktops using certain window managers because Acrobat always receives the F1 key, not the window manager.
The Acrobat 5 Firefox plugin is nasty -- if you drag your mouse pointer into the main window while the Acrobat plugin is running, it seizes all keyboard input; you can't even type anything into the location bar until you drag the mouse pointer back up to the Firefox menu bar.
While writing this message I launched Acrobat Reader 5 to remind myself of what the problems were, and within two minutes it locked up and I had to kill the beast by remotely logging in from another computer.
So if Acrobat 7 solves any of these problems, I'll probably use it gladly, bloat and all. Come on, Adobe! I swear that if you wrote quality Linux desktop apps, people would use them. They might even *pay for them* (ahem, Photoshop... ahem, Illustrator).
I just returned from the CSUN Conference on Technology and Persons with Disabilities where Pete DeVasto of Adobe was demoing a beta build of Adobe Reader for Linux using the Gnopernicus screen reader. Speech output, Braille output, working navigation of the PDF documents he showed (including forms), all accessible to him on the Sun Opteron box he was using, running the forthcoming edition of Sun's Java Desktop System Release 3 (GNOME 2.6 with GNOME 2.8 accessibility bits). Even as someone very much involved in this work (I'm Sun's Accessibility Architect), it was really cool to see this, and to see the reactions from folks at the conference to what Adobe was showing.
I have the 7.0 version installed on my Linux box on the 15th of march. It is version 7.0.0 03/11/2005
The first place it came out was on the Dutch adobe site, because Dutch people needed it to fill out their taxes if they wanted to do it via electronic way. (I think)
The first time I saw it was on the 14th: on google
I would have thought that all people already had downloaded it.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
I recently had a job interview at Adobe. One of the new features is the ability to embed a 3D object into the pdf document. You can click on the 3D object and view it from all sides. It's primary aimed at the CAD/CAM market where having a 3D object in the technical specs makes sense. Unfortunatley, I didn't get the job. :(
http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Elcomsoft/us_v_skl yarov_faq.html
this is the same Adobe that went after Dmitri Sklyarov.
what has changed in their org, board of directors, corporate mindset that should convince me to ever forgive them?
Yep - I didn't think so.
Lets have a little contest as to how large of objects we can shove up the collective rectum of Adobe.
-me
how do I get my original account back when @home died long ago?
Well done Adobe. Acroread on Linux loads up almost instantly and displays even large documents in rapid fashion. Unlike the windows version which is a bit slow ;) :) Thanks guys.
It's a fine piece of software worthy of much praise from all linix users!
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I suppose I'm glad they have a linux version at all.
That said, if it were an open source project I would be able to get a linux PPC version. But alas, I am going to keep using xpdf for some time to come.
Get with the times, people!! We need native support!! I call upon the OSS community to boycott Adobe for this travesty. (Yeah thats AMD64 not X86-64 (INTEL SUCKS))
KPDF and KGhostview cover anything I need to do.
What I would really like is a full PDF creator/editor.... That would impress me..
I've decided that linux users are in large a hard to please bunch :) . . .
Seriously though, we should be glad that the acrobat reader has been updated. This is one area that is still fairly essential for a corporate desktop. Corporate types wanna know silly things like why do I use something called xpdf and my colleagues at xyz company have the newest adobe. As a computer person, you can smile at this behavior - however, many of you realize discussions such as this is what continues to marginalize Linux from gaining marketshare.
Corporate entities should be thanked for releasing software to Linux. They DO NOT PROFIT from it at this point by and large. I'm sure someone can pull up a random example to the contrary. However, by and large there is little profit. Those companies that choose to support linux in whatever fashion probably do so at the behest of some visionary individuals within the corporate ranks that see fit to expend corporate resources on the project - again not because of profit - but because of future potential of one.
That's right, imho companies are placing small wagers on Linux - and we, the OSS community need to make these wagers pay off eventually by concentrating on increasing our numbers. When that happens - the wagers placed by companies will be larger and larger - and eventually we will get things we've always wanted for Linux.
Don't beat up or be overly critical of corporate efforts. Please remember if you've got a favorite OSS solution to a product that a corporate entity is trying to offer a solution for, then that is the best of both worlds - not an attack on yours.
anyone wrap this into a torrent yet? their ftp server is getting hosed and id like to get it before my windoze friends are talking about version 8
for those interested, debian packages are now available at ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
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I am a fan of the PDF format: it is very suitable for cross-platform document distribution. It certainly has its problems though. I have yet to find a fool proof way of ensuring everyone can read the files. Also this week, I have some recipients (three of about a dozen) complaining they cannot open PDF files that were created on Linux in Acrobat 3/4 format. I can open them using the same versions of Acrobat Reader they claim to be using, on the same operating system they are using. Resending the files produced the same result ... an aggravating problem to fix when you cannot reproduce the problem ... sigh!
I was using Apple's Preview for a while to view contracts, but I never saw certain deadlines - I kept emailing people asking about them, and one day I got the reply that they're where there are supposed to be in the PDF: look again. Whatdayaknow!? Preview didn't display certain form data, AND didn't alert the user that it wasn't displaying it either. Group-based markups frequently get ignored in "alternative" PDF viewers too.
So sure, if all you're reading in PDF are static data sheets and what are essentially "print files," this really isn't big news, but if you actually use PDF files to work with big companies ino order to earn a living, this is great news!
Gentoo users have been able to install Adobe Reader 7.0 for two weeks now. (Though the firefox plugin didn't work properly until a week ago.)Loads fast, looks okay (GTK), and most importantly CLOSES WITH ONLY ONE MOUSE CLICK.
On the 17th of the month, somebody in our department posted the following message:
So, it's been out for a while, even publicly
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Im sure we will have plenty of people harp on about how XPDF is faster(which it is) or how the adobe reader is not compact , or how it has more bloat than a whale. The fact still remains that it renders PDFs excelently and it is another product for the linux world .
,. .
OSS is about freedom and our right to choose what we run.
Every port to linux or BSD or one of the other alternat Operating systems is a major victory for freedom of choise. As much as i respect RMS and his iron stance on GNU everything , i have to disagree and say we also need to allow people to decide how they want there product licensed.
with Adobe finaly updating the antiquated reader , its just one more sign linux is gaining a stronger foothold in the desktop market, Now i may really dislike windows though i dont want to see it vanish , i want to see all products having an equal(or near enough) market share
Let us hope we soon see photoshop on linux , the gimp is cool but right now linux really needs a program in that class with a little more omph
Its the freedom to decide if you want to run comercial or OSS
And the freedom to decide if you want to sacrafice a bit of HDD space and RAM space for frankly better PDF rendering(right now atleast , the xpdf team are doing a great job)
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This is not the final version! It's a beta build to enable Dutch people to do their taxes.
While xpdf and kpdf renders text quickly and functionally I gladly wait a few extra seconds to get Adobes font-rendering which is nothing short of beautiful.
jumping on the bandwagon...If linux would fail on the desktop he would forget Linux, but since Linux desktop is getting to be a viable alternative, they just can't afford to miss it. They sure don't want to lose the future's market so as good capitalists even they sleep with M$ or Apple today they will choose to sleep with Linux if need be... Sorry about the rant but that's my opinion about Adobe's "commitment" to Linux. And I think it is good, there are more choices and I hope that gpdf and open source alternatives will get to the same level and less bloat in the next years.
i don't know what your problem is, but GPDF
I got Adobe Reader last week from this newsgroup thread. I also read that this is not the final version.
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Thanks, just installed it.
After reading about this in the Gentoo Weekly Newsletter on Monday, I emerged acroread 7, and it works like a charm. It's a definite improvement over version 5.
Would they port it to linux ppc? That would be great too!!!
"I thought PDF was meant to be a "lock-in free" format? Essentially what you're saying here then, is that you have to use Adobe's product."
Um,no. That's not what he said. What he said is that the alternatives are incomplete. You don't need "lock-in" to be incomplete. You need hard work (and it seems 'paid' hard work at that) to be complete. So chop-chop, get to work, and stop blaming others for failures in your chosen development model.
xpdf renders text like dog vommit. Hell, even acroread renders stuff like dog vommit. I create lots of pdf's of plots, data, etc. and they look like crap unless I open them on the Windows side with Acrobat. sad but true...
It allows you to disable almost all of the plugins, making Acrobat Reader pretty quick to load.
I didn't know about this shortcoming of Preview. Thanks for pointing it out. I've always hated Acrobat Reader because of the bloat and performance issues, but I'll give it a second look, and at least keep it on hand for situations (with contracts, etc.) that you describe. Thanks again.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
I don't understand why Microsoft hasn't gotten on the pdf "game". I mean, add some sort of pdf viewer into XP, and especially the ability to (automatically, not with any 'distiller') make pdf files through Word.
.zip files. The embedded zip tools in XP do the job for me a lot easier and less annoyingly than a shareware version of winzip (the last version I had reminded me I was using the shareware for 500+ days).
They already did it with
I would imagine that doing so would be HIGHLY damaging to Adobe, and honestly, I would use it because Acrobat gets more and more irritating with every new incarnation. And I mean, what are the difficulties/legalities especially since the open source people seem to be on the ball?
Just a thought...
No, man. It was encrypted.
Just the fact that it uses GTK makes it look so much better. I wish they would also release a KDE native version, but this is great.
It's nice to have Reader, but it's really shame that there is still, as far as I know, no Linux solution for enabling commenting tools. One needs Acrobat Pro (Windows only) to do that. I was under impression that PDF format is pretty much well understood. How hard it is to add this commenting layer? It seems to me that the ability to add comments to PDF would be extremely useful.
Actually, does anybody know whether, after one enables this in Acrobat Pro, commenting tools work in Linux Reader?
This is great for those of us who like e-books. I have several which are only readable with Adobe Reader 7 (Not that I'll be very likely to read e-books on my Linux boxen anyway, I find the LCD screen on my mac to be much easier on the eyes for reading for long periods of times).
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Just installed it, and it works fine. Scrolling with the weel also, same in fileselection boxes.
Bart
From expirience of both using and developing application - if it NEEDS a splash screen or a "loading..." progress bar, IT ALREADY MEANS it's too damn slow!
Now all the Linux users can enjoy the annoying aspects of up to date Adobe products.
Yeah it's great and stuff... but where's the scrolling function for those of us who have such an old fashion scroll mouse ?
I'd love to see Frame on linux. They ship it for solaris, so a linux port isnt hard -they just need to see benefit.
I wonder what the benefit to adobe was to port the (free) acroread program. Maybe everyone who paid many $£ for the acrowriteer were complaining to adobe that linux users were complaining they couldnt read the docs without being told off for using a dated version of the app. Or that adobe felt it was time to stamp out all the competition, competition for acroread that was getting too good, could print reliably, integrated with the desktops, etc, etc.
It's a pre-release version that's not yet intended for the public, though it's not marked as beta or pre-release. According to http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/57616 (german) it's been put online for a customer in the netherlands. The final version can be expected around mid 2005. The acrobat files mentioned on heise.de and this /. article are the same, so i guess the real final will still take some time.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
I see /. has been recruiting sufferers of tourette's again.
The more support the better, especially from mainstream vendors like Adobe. Of course, I would really like to see Photoshop, Illustrator and others come to Linux (and therefore, *BSD through Linux emulation at the least). Adobe gains customers, the open source community gets more applications and more people can migrate away from Windows without excuses. Sure there's GIMP, but some people don't want to learn an entirely new application if they don't have to.
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I don't know about the download, but I remember going to Adobe.com right around tha time and seeing a huge headline "Reader 7 for Linux" -- I didn't download it because it didn't apply to me. Now I look at the download page and it only lets you get 5.x.
Odd.
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
As I use FDF a LOT, this is a major show stopper and so I've emerge-ed it back down to 5.0.10. :-(
I for one welcome our new Portable Document Format Overloards.
You can fill out pdfs with flpsed. flpsed allows you add text to pdfs.
On another note xpdf is many times faster for small pdfs than acroread. However, if you zoom in on a big pdf (like a map) w/ xpdf it renders the whole thing to X as an image. If that image is bigger than your memory (regardless of the screen size), X swaps out and your machine is reduced to a crawl. Acroread, on the other hand, doesn't do that. It just renders the part of the screen that is visible, which is slower than keeping your image in memory, but much faster than reading swapped contents from disk.
And what's the problem w/ all of you? I just downloaded Reader 7 at 200kKB/s from adobe. Where's the slashdot effect?
Has anybody tried running it under amd64?
Meh.
The offer of Adobe 7 means more than you will have latest, greatest PDF viewer on Linux/BSD.
Who uses Acrobat format extensively, like thousands of users? COMPANIES! Very big, evil companies.
I bet lots of "suits" read this story having different questions in their mind.
Useful info!
People keep forgetting that Linux is not x86-only. It runs on lots of other platforms (probably ppc/ppc64 is the second most popular.)
So this isn't going to help me (nor will it help Linus!)
Actually it is quite fast. Compared to f.e.:
/opt/acrobat7 /opt/acrobat7
xpdf - acroread is much faster (rendering) and xpdf is ugly as hell and almost not usable (try printing something with this ancient shit)...
ggv/kpdf and other ghostscript based - they are fine for postscript but fail much to more times on PDF files, they simply do not open all PDF files that disqualifies them for me...
acroread 5 - version 7 is faster and more usable...
So actually Acrobat Reader 7.0 for Linux is the best choice, and as for bloat (in size) I installed it via tarball, deleted loads of shit - all plugins - I don't need them. I just need acroread to display and print PDF files, nothing more. Also I deleted some help/sample files. Compressed acroread binary with upx and what I get is:
% du -hs
36M
Not so bad at all... Given that acroread loads almost instantly on my machine (and my machine is not a rocket certainly), renders fast and Just-Works.
Very good job Adobe...
But it has some bug. I hope they will iron them out (yes I've submitted them to their beta program bug tracking database).
I started downloading the RPM for 7.0 from the FTP, and it crapped out on me. I am retrieving it again, and for some reason, I'm grabbing AdobeReader_enu-8.0.0-1.i386.rpm, yet the ftp index still says 7.0.0. I call shenanigans!!
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Add the follwing line in your sources.list:
:)
deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
then
atp-get update && apt-get install acroread acroread-plugin
Couldn't be easier, it even adds a menu entry
I was going to complain bitterly about Adobe's desire to munge the pdf before it could be downloaded to the Palm, and that the application for doing that munging was only for Windows/Mac...
But I got a Zaurus instead, which has qpdf (a port of xpdf) precompiled.
Thanks for all of your help, Adobe!
--Storm
Like a billion usability features Windows has that Linux doesn't? Give up, you fucking retards. Your shitty little POS OS isn't going anywhere except for into the bitbuckets on a billion machines of frustrated users who, unlike yourselves, don't have the patience or tolerance for inferior code. Linux is and always will be a pile of crap code stitched together by dumbass halfwit hack programmers with no fucking clue regarding reality. Put that in your bong and smoke it, fuckwits.
the Dutch finance ministry ordered that al taxes of companies should be filed online. And for that, they use pdf forms. in parliament there were questions about Linux. In fact, Adobe saved the Dutch junior minister by a good timing of PDF Linux 7 :-)
I mainly work on Linux and prepare documents with LaTeX. However a very useful feature would be to edit a PDF (and not by opening the PDF in Vim!).
This would be a great help when collaborating with others who don't use LaTeX. Even the ability to simply add annotations to a certain peice of text would be extremely useful.
Does anybody know of anything that can do this under Linux?
It's been in portage testing for some time, and I definitely will keep using it. Not only do you have the peace of mind that it will render your PDF correctly, but the GTK2 GUI looks far better than xpdf or acroread5, and the loading times aren't too bad at all. I haven't even had to remove the useless plugins.
One qualm - I had to delete one plugin file to stop an error message coming up on start (It was invalid or something).
I want to change from Acrobat because A) it has a limited number of windows it will keep open at once (I typically browse with 30+ pages with 20+ tabs each open at any time), and B) even before I hit this limit I find Acrobat often crashes and blanks out all pdf windows. Any recommendations for a pdf viewer that can handle my kind of browsing? NB I use Mozilla 1.7 rather than Firefox (which last I looked still didn't fill in forms). Also I work in Windows XP (not by choice). Finally it is not obvious at all to me in the Moz preferences how to change the default pdf viewer. Any tips are appreciated.
I submitted this last week, with a funnier headline!
.pdf that it did not render correctly, but it unfortunately will not render pure postscript.
Actually, they did have it on their official download page for about a day, and I just happened to be checking. When I went to show a friend, however, I found it was no longer there, and the download pointed you to the version 5. Luckily, I was able to find the URL in my download history, and found that they didn't actually remove the file from the server -- only the link.
The program is actually quite smooth, and is very well-integrated. They seem to have done a great deal of work on the interface, and I'd be surprised if this didn't forshadow some future Adobe interest in Linux. It seems like an excessive amount of effort for one freely-available program -- accessibility features, a very good help system, etc. I was especially impressed by the implementation of the "Find" feature.
The rendering is spotless, clean, and fast, and Adobe's "CoolType" font rendering libraries are also provided. I've not found a
All in all, though, I must admit that I was quite impressed. I hope to see more Adobe interest in Linux in the future -- it would be a very nice seal of approval for the system as a whole to finally see, say, Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects, or Premiere natively for Linux.
Very cool!
P.S. If it's still the same version I downloaded, you can rid yourself of that annoying flashing advertisement bar thingy by dragging all the toolbar buttons down to a new toolbar...when you move the last one down, it removes the now-empty (except for the flashy Adobe ad thingy) original bar and you're left with an identical bar where you moved the button, without the annoying advertisement, helpfully moved back to its "original" position when the default one is removed. Lock 'em there, and you're good to go, even after closing and re-opening the program!
Background information:
I authored my resume using LaTeX, and usually compile it to PDF.
Now, if I were looking for a job, and the recruiter/employer insisted on having a Word document, I generally would regard him as quite narrow-minded and incompetent, and probably not worth the best of my time.
I've just picked up a laptop with and AMD64 processor. I'm thinking I'm going to install Ubuntu 5.04 (when it's official) in 32-bit mode for full compatability and set up a 64-bit chroot for computationally intensive stuff like BRL-CAD, Octave, z88, etc.
I've loaded both the 32-bit and 64-bit Hoary LiveCD's on it and both work pretty much without a hitch except that the 64-bit version gives a error message when looking for the hardware clock (a known bug I believe).
A goal is a dream with a deadline
The Onion totally lost cool points with the subscription thing.
Capitalists.
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
view and print pdfs this software seems a lot faster to me don't know about compatibility http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php
Some people believe 1-1=3 and for the sake of being politically correct, we should respect their differences
There are actually some very nice markup (in the editing sense) tools in Acroread 7, and I had no problem at all using it on Fedora 3. I never managed to crash or hang it, and it was really fast.
I've always used xpdf and friends in the past, but I think I'm going to come to perfer the actual Adobe app now.
I do have one issue with the product: there is an animated advertising button in the top-right of the menubar which changes pitches peroidically. ("Acrobat Reader 7.0" "Try Acrobot for Free!" etc...) This is a bit annoying when you are concentrating on the document and something is flashing in the corner.... There is also a "Search the Internet using Yahoo" button which makes me uneasy for no good reason.
I have heard that the Adobe 7. tools compress images better and I have seen the 7.0 readers do some very slick image zooming...no grainyness even on images that were captured as .bmp...and FAST. Image handling almost always poses space/time tradeoffs to the developers so I am not surprised the apps swelled up.
Now to shoehorn it onto my palm-os!
SLASHDOT: news for people who can't concentrate on work or have no life at all and got tired of yelling back at the TV.
See,
QT is a great multi-plataform toolkit... it can render beautifully under Windows or MacOSX, witch are the main target plattaforms for Adobe.
It would make a lot of sense to Adobe port their core applications to a toolkit that can compile on all their target plattaforms, plus Linux!
Hey, its happening!! We already have Acrobat Reader and PhotoShop Album made using QT.
Plus, if Adobe could be untied from both Windows and MacOSX, their products would become a LOT more acessible... A dedicated Linux box running Photoshop + Illustrator would be a great solution for a lot of graphic houses out there!
Now, if the XOrg guys could fix the XImput system, so my Wacom tablet would get configured automagicaly via hotplug without having to manualy edit the config files... wow, that would be perfect!!
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Acrobat Reader has steadily become more and more obese to the point where xpdf is now my default PDF viewer. I'm no big fan of xpdf, but it beats waiting around for Acrobat Reader to load code I will never need.
but why!? can someone from Adobe please tell me why we need this?
I noticed it updated yesterday, so I checked it out. I use a lot of pdf's for reference (like the Pragmatic Programmer's Ruby book). It looks a LOT nicer, does suck up about 25MB of memory while it's running. I generally prefer FOSS, but Acrobat just works better for me.
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I installed this two WEEKS ago! Why is this even news now?
GET FREE APPLE STUFF!
It is true disc space is a concern for some setups, but a worry? Just because it's made doesn't mean it has to be included.
Knoppix doesn't have to include the new Acrobat on the live-CD, especially considering its finite disc space and the alternative readers available. If the new Acrobat absorbs 5-10 percent compressed disc space it really is not a contender for a live-cd application. Software trade-offs and practical use must be considered.
On a modern desktop the bloat is perhaps an annoyance and a waste of time, but not a worry.
Now you can crash your browser in Linux too!
hurrah for Adobe & their cross-platform shitware.
Is there anything they cant crash?
People who have never used the actual Adobe Acrobat product likely will not understand.
There are a number of decent and reliable methods to output to a 'PDF-format'. There is only one tool, the Adobe Acrobat Suite, to annotate and augment your PDF files.
I like to produce tables-of-content, to be able to use an easy graphical method to arrange pages, crop them, etc. I am afforded this ability by the commercal Adobe Acrobat product (which is rather expensive per-seat)
Adobe should get beyond their 'touch it gingerly' approach to Linux. Release some of your actual tools for Linux, not just a half-baked 'Reader' to look at their output.
You can do that, but what if you are only partially filling out the form, or need to make correction to it later on? For example, I usually get started on filling out my PDF tax forms early (December or January), then I'll hang on to them until I get my 1099 or W-2 from my employer(s) and banks and check to see if I need to make any minor corrections. If I do, I can't use a static PDF created by ps2pdf.
Logic is a wonderful thing but doesn't always beat actual thought. -Terry Pratchett
Add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list and youre good to go.
deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
I like 7.0, but its an absolute pig compared to gpdf/xpdf.
Adobe is more concerned with Acrobat Reader working correctly than they are with bloat. Acrobat has become THE file standard in the printing industry. (We used to receive Quark or Illustrator files, along with a bunch of photos, text files, and fonts - now all we need is a properly distilled .pdf.) And believe me, there are plenty of people out there who are very picky about the tiniest matters in their printed pieces. Since customers are often getting their proofs over email or the web in the form of .pdf, it's critical that these files display exactly right. You can lose tens of thousands of dollars if your press outputs something even slightly different than what the customer signs off on proof out.
And the programs that graphic designers are using now are far more complex, giving the designers more to work with and letting them work faster. Of particular interest are layers and transparency - something even Quark has begun to see the light on. These graphic files have to work as designed when they're dropped into Acrobat Distiller, or you're going to have the same problem - customer's proof is different from the printed piece.
I would imagine that Adobe develops Acrobat Reader and Acrobat side by side, so it's not a matter of separate development teams and of not worrying about the program they don't make money on. Adobe has far too much at stake to put out poor versions of the free Reader.
Pay your $599 license fee you cocksucking leaches!
use Linux. Heck, it's why the Fremont neighborhood - where I live - is a place where anyone can get free wireless just by sitting on your balcony or front porch - we have more free wireless coffee shops than even Capitol Hill.
And those of us who don't work there have been asking for this for years. We're not against buying software - just last year, I bought $4000 of commercial software for my own use alone - we just don't want to be slaves to Microsoft.
Maybe someone should do a giant float celebrating Open Source or Adobe offering Reader 7.0 for Linux at the upcoming Fremont Arts Council's Fremont Solstice Parade?
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Another good example of differences is the PDF version of the Firefox Logo.
Why did they put the buttons to the bottom? This is the worst place ever. Acrobat 1 to 5 had the buttons where they should be, on top. The natural moves for the mouse are from bottom to top, left to right ( right to left for left handed people), I NEVER move the mouse from top to bottom.
Must be a Windows imitation or something. In Windows the default position for the taskbar is to the bottom (the WORST PLACE). At least in windows you can move the taskbar, I always move it to the left or to the top.
I also hate the Apple GUI, it has no flexibility, you cannot move the finder menus from the top (It happend that I like where they are, but this is not the point, I MUST BE ABLE TO MOVE THEM WHERE I LIKE).
At least in UNIX/Linux various windows managers have flexibility.
Don't get me wrong. I'm very excited about Adobe Reader 7.0 on Linux. I love that it uses GTK, starts quickly and looks really good. Unfortunately, however, the printing still sucks as it doesn't support cups. I can't go and select the printer I want to use from a drop down. I personally can manage without this but I know a number of non-technical people that hate not having this.
http://torrentz.burn.myvnc.com:5454/download.php?i d=013fa37d4fbbcc3ad226db1dcfeb9c83873a8bb9&f=Adobe Reader_enu-7.0.0-1.i386.rpm.torrent
Ahh...feels good to be the one who found it.
I posted this story to slashdot a week ago when it came out. Of course the story was rejected. Gentoo users have had this since the 15.
Then in the Print dialog box, change the "print command" from "lp" to "gtklp." Bingo! A friendly, usable, and full-featured Print dialog box that does everything you'd ever want in CUPS.
It works for Opera too...
Well, one thing that kpdf, kghostview, xpdf et al. don't handle is the bookmarks and hyperlinks inside a PDF. It is incredibly useful, when navigating a huge PDF document, to have the contents as bookmarkrs, and clickable cross-references. You can even create them using the Hyperref LaTeX package.
.ps file, then use ps2pdf). Editing the PDF, enabling text and image selection and copy/paste a la Apple Preview for example, would be very nice indeed.
As far as I know, apart from acroread, only gpdf shows the bookmarks and enables hyperlinks. In fact, gpdf does everything I need. However, it's nice to have Adobe Reader 7.0 to ensure that your PDF will display correctly on Windows desktops.
Oh, and creating PDFs is trivial (print to a
It's not bloated!
I haven't tried the Linux version yet, but I have run both the Windows version and the Mac OS X versions.
Sure, it's a large installation; about 100MB's give or take 10-20MB's for each platform. But who out there seriously has disk space issues nowadays? I mean you can get a 160GB disk for under a $100 bucks! I remember paying several hundred dollars for a hard disk that wasn't even a gig in size! Disk space is cheap.
Sure, it takes a lot of RAM but who out there seriously has memory problems? Aren't most people running 512MB's or even 1GB or 2GB's? RAM is cheap.
I just loaded a 555 page eBook PDF that is encrypted and authorized. I've paged through it and jumped around a bit while I monitored it's memory usage on OS X. Once it settled down after loading and caching pages, it stabilized at less that 1% CPU usage, 7 threads, and memory usage of 48MB's.
Heck, Safari is using more then twice that amount of RAM just to load Slashdot! Bloated, my ass!
Want to talk Bloated? Take a look at Microsoft Word! Just built a document that is 20 pages of plain unformatted text with no pictures, etc. Word is taking more then 9% CPU, and 40MB's or RAM. I even have the spell checker turned off!
But seriously, unless an application hogs the CPU and consumes most of your RAM while it brings your OS to it's knees, forcing it to swap to disk, you can't call it bloated anymore.
Acrobat Reader 7 is a seriously improved version of the application. If you are running 5 or 6, I would highly recommend you upgrade to 7! It's blazingly fast to load and run. Whoever optimized the load time and fixed all the bugs did a freaking great job! I suspect they did something to optimize the loading of plugins as that was what took so long when loading Acrobat 5 and 6. Probably did something similar to XP when it boots, i.e. defers the loading of startup apps, etc.
You can talk about XPDF and other free (open) alternatives but they don't offer the features I need. I have to be able to decrypt purchased documents. i.e. I buy a book and get a discounted eBook to go along with it or just the ebook. I've got hundreds of reference guides that I use with Acrobat. I got tired of lugging 3" thick programming books around with me. Now, they are all stored on a USB Flash memory drive on my keychain or on a laptop. I heard about some school giving iPods to students and placing a bunch of eBooks on the hard disks. I doubt anyone reads the books on the iPod screen, but it makes a great way to store a ton of books.
# rpm -U AdobeReader_enu-7.0.0-1.i386.rpm
error: Failed dependencies:
libstdc++.so.5 is needed by AdobeReader_enu-7.0.0-1
libstdc++.so.5(CXXABI_1.2) is needed by AdobeReader_enu-7.0.0-1
libstdc++.so.5(GLIBCPP_3.2) is needed by AdobeReader_enu-7.0.0-1
v5 runs fine on the same box.
LyX http://www.lyx.org/ is a great, great, wonderful tool, which is available on linux (mainly), OS X, and as a Windows port. My colleagues, many of whom have years of experience using "raw" LaTeX for academic articles, come to me for advice, and I've just been using LyX for a little while.
Even if they don't use LyX, I can almost always find an elegant way to do the things things they want with it, and then export the code to LaTeX so that they can do the same thing with LaTeX code. It's a very, very, very nice tool, and I actually *enjoy* writing with it.
Too, the LyX mailing lists are very helpful.
You're on drugs or maybe the OSX version is special. When talking about bloat in the Acrobat Reader context, one typically complains about the painfully long time it takes to start up or to manipulate pdfs with large bitmaps.
/. I downloaded the version 5 and uninstalled the 6.? I had. Version 5 starts almost an order of magnitude faster and seems snappier on my Windows PC at work than the bloody version 6.
After seeing the yesterday Reader discussion on
Before, I actually avoided opening up pdf files because it took so long to start up. To cope with this issue, I had to keep the Reader always running.
Now it's much much better. I strongly advise everyone to downgrade to Revision 5, unless there is something special, can't-live-without feature in the latest adove crap.
Serban
I still run version 4, it opens everything I attempt to read fine (though it says its too old to open some documents) and loads oh so much faster then the latest bloatware from adobe.
Does anybody know a printer that prints PDF files? AFAIK there are NONE. Of course there are PostScript printers, and others, but PDF? ZERO!
12 days ago the direct download urls were posted here and this news was reported by a different submitter to /. and posted offtopic to another news article here but I guess (yet again) my submission was rejected. I enjoy reading /. but I guess I'll stop submitting articles.
Since I got a Mac a few months ago, I've been using Preview. Loads instantly, has a nice interface, opened every file so far. I do not see any reason to have an Adobe reader on Mac...
Whats really the use for this? I have to say, there are so many light and simple, non-bloated opensource PDF viewers for linux. I can mention xpdf, which I use for viewing pdf in linux. I am sure adobe's version has more features and all that, but I'd still stick to xpdf.
Xpdf actually has a *working* and *peppy* search function. That alone makes it rather firmly stomp on Acrobat Reader, even ignoring the other points in its favor:
* xpdf is more stable (I've seen Reader crash on different platforms many a time -- I don't believe I've *ever* seen xpdf crash)
* xpdf uses less memory
* xpdf doesn't have a splash screen and starts up much faster.
* xpdf is open source, if that's of value to you.
Really, the only "drawbacks" I can think of are that xpdf doesn't have an interface composed of massive 32-bit pixmaps (which seems to be the rage these days) and the more legitimate complaint that there are a (very few) documents that xpdf still renders differently from Reader. Xpdf, at least on Linux, really is a much better package.
There's a setting inside in the control panel and inside IE that lets you control how much space to dedicate to temp files.
Does anybody know if the Asian fonts for version 5.0.x works for this version? Or anyone knows where I can get asian fonts for version 7? I could not find the download link from adobe site (CJK fonts for the Reader verson 7 on Unix platform is what I am looking for).