He didn't need to be sniffing anyone's network to do this.
Yeah, I wrote this before the demonstration was published.
The other points are still valid. Why is Linus so pissed? Would he have been equally pissed if it had been done by someone other than Tridgell? etc, etc.
Scenario: Bob is forced to buy a client for a SCM he doesn't like. Bob invites Ted to come over to his house and poke around on the client. Bob has permission to use the client AND interact with the server. Ted is looking at the server from the client that his friend purchased.
I don't think that would be something that could be construed as "illegal". It might be "actionable" in a civil tort sense.
I've read a few exchanges from the/. crowd, read a few statements by Linus and the gang, have read McVoy's interpretation of the BK saga, and have come to one conclusion:
No one but the three people involved in this fiasco *really* knows what happened to get this situation to the stage where people begin a verbal free-fire in public.
McVoy is a business man; true to his heart, he needs to keep the BK user strung out on his code. Hell, I would feel the same sense of outrage that he feels if someone threatened to kill my cash cow. Don't pretend that every one you wouldn't feel the same way if it was *your* revenue stream. To me, anyone who claims an absolute vow of poverty is looking for a monastery to live in. Everyone I know would fight to protect a source of financial income.
Selfish? You bet. But nature has created more selfish beings than egalitarian ones. Nature favors pragmatism.
But McVoy could have let this one ride a bit more. It is just a matter of time before someone cracks his model. Then he will have to play the same game as Microsoft and Adobe only on a different level. Too bad for him, though, that his inexpensive advertising scheme didn't last. That is another little detail that goes relatively "un-remarked" upon in the various forums I've read. Larry had one of the hottest programmers in FOSS using his SCM. In fact, this Man Of The Year lavished all kinds of praise on his progeny! You would have to pay more than the "free" license fee for that kind of advertising. Shit, probably A LOT more. If Linus had been paid for his endorsements, that could have added up to quite a sum of money. Larry has wisely kept those funds securely in his pocket.
Again, I'd do that too. The monks of this world can keep their vows.
Linus? Well, it was kind of hard to turn down a free license for one of the best SCMs on the market. If I had been in his position, I would have grabbed the product and ran. In fact, I would like to personally thank Larry for helping juice the Linux kernel development. I know SCO has been rummaging around in the Linux closet for evidence that it was their intellectual property that made the kernel advance so quickly. I believe that Larry's BK contribution probably made the significant increase in kernel production possible. Judging from Linus' angst and outrage, I think he believes that too.
But Linus is being a bit thin skinned. Does he believe he is the ONLY programmer that has been burned by relying on a proprietary product for their work? Didn't he listen to all the people who had been telling him about *their* bad experiences with proprietary lock-in? From what I've read in the past, they had plenty of legitimate worries that this was going to happen. I'm sure that Linus knew it would happen someday too. He's just pissed that it happened NOW as opposed to LATER.
Boo hoo, get over it, this too will pass, etc. But why attack Tridgell in public? Hmmm.... That does raise some interesting questions. And why get all bitchy about it?
There is something we are not getting in this little soap opera. Tridgell is silent, probably for good reason. But why would Linus take him to task knowing that he would not be able to respond publicly?
And Perens? This is a slugfest that only Gates, Darl, and RMS would love - all for differing reasons. Why does Perens feel compelled to call out Linus over his treatment of Tridgell?
I thought the points made by some posters about just how Tridgell was sniffing packets to see the metadata protocols is extremely insightful. To have BK protocols running on his network would require that he be operating a client and server somewhere where he could see it, no? What network was he sniffing if he didn't have a license?
What amazes me is that the attempt to get BK's protocols didn't happen *sooner*. With all of the pissing and moaning that erupted when Linus started using BK, I would have thought there would have been someone doing what Tridgell was accomplishing years
..before Wikipedia gets the level of respect that it deserves. While encyclopedia companies will probably never like this online resource for the obvious economic reasons, there are plenty of other detractors who are going to continue to hammer it for their own reasons. Those people include subject matter experts who will take exception to the way information is presented, either because it isn't written authoritatively or is factually incorrect, and by groups who object to "boiling down" complex information for a lay audience.
That resistance will continue for some time. No doubt Wikipedia will always be a thorn in the side of the bound publishers, but as more factually correct entries are secured in the repository then subject matter experts will warm to the idea of easily-accessible information. I doubt they will rely on it for their own research, relying instead to peer-refereed journals as they always have.
Feel free to be entertained as much as you like. It's for the greater good.
Thanks for your permission.
No doubt by reading my posts, it will leave less time for you to drown puppies, trip old ladies, and hunt down children for whatever evil purposes reside in your head.
Actually those diabolical images never crossed my mind but originated instead inside your putrid imagination.
Not surprising, really.
So really, everyone benefits by you reading my posts.
I guess.
And while you are at it, dig deeper... and notice the large number of positive mods to my posts,
But on balance, however, you were correctly identified as a troll.
Again, not surprising.
quite a trick you have there, of jumping in after the odd person has modded me down, after 5 or 6 have modded me up.
You have an over-active imagination. You should create another persona to help you keep modding yourself up when everyone else calls you out for the rancid turd that you are.
Maybe you can use that taxpayer funded super computer to figure it all out.
Not enough compting power exists to plumb your depraved depths. What kind of pathetic wanker sits masturbating over dual core processors and XP? Perhaps you could explain that for us.
Oh, and another thing to consider... You should hope that the person you insult today doesn't end up being a hiring manager for your next job. The geosciences is a small world.
Who knows? I could be standing across from you at an AGU conference.
I just checked your stats on this thread: many reduced to offtopic and flamebait. Not a single +5 left in the bunch.
While I agreed with you that the article was a pointless exercise in Microsoft bashing, I find your debating skills (such as they are) amusingly stupid.
Lets all bow before the great master, who when attacked, pretends he's all high and mighty,
(bows gracefully)
Thanks. Kiss my feet while you are down there, will you?
looking down his nose at us all while he hides behind his supercomputer paid for by the taxpayer.
Yep. You (the taxpayer) would rather that I waste your tax dollars trying to make one machine perform tasks that a specifically-designed machine could do faster, with higher productivity, and lower overall cost.
Yes, I am quite the money wasting pig.
... while we mere mortals try to eak out a living on our workstations,
Poor soul. I really pity you.
for companies that must make a profit to survive
When I was with my last company, we would have been canned for not using a supercomputer. In fact, when I worked for a major oil company we did that quite often.
And we worked for profits too.
...without any tasty taxpayer money to throw at a supercomputer.
Nuclear waste cleanup requires more than just one dual core processor machine in order to to solve massive computational problems.
You could care less?... well obviously you could care less!... you cared enough to respond, so you most definately do care some! Thanks!
I just think you attack every problem with a hammer when a screwdriver might be a better tool.
Dont like my posts? Dont read them!
I wouldn't miss your posts for anything.
I think they are funnier than hell.
... or better yet, keep reading them, get more stressed, and give yourself that early heart attack you appear to be heading for.
You presume to grasp more power than you truly possess.
I'm enjoying watching you attempt to leap tall buildings with a single bound.
Or maybe you'll get my point, get a dual core processor and get enough work done that you can spend more time at home relaxing instead of pulling your hair out.
I do that without having to resort to multiple processors. When I need a job completed that uses more than one processor, I batch the job to a real computer.
You are on about 12 threads now covering this topic and it is abundantly clear to just about everyone here that you are a BIG fan of XP.
It hyperthreads, it multi-threads, it slices, it dices....
We get it.
I like some of Microsoft's products too. For me, it is their business practices suck. That's why I choose to get my work done with Linux. No other reason. And I am quite productive doing the same stuff you do - GIS and geology (as welll as hydrogeology, geophysics, etc).
I could care less if you need your computer to simultaneously play mp3s, do anti-virus scans, redraw your CAD files, while running ARCINFO and creating photomicrographs from your petrographic microscope as you measure birefringence! I don't *currently* need dual cores to get my work done, nor am I'm stupid or a Microsoft-hater for saying so!
In fact, Windows XP SP1 with AVG *and* a software firewall ran office and home apps faster on my old C433/256 than Mandrake 9.2 *or* FreeBSD 4.3 with no A/V or firewall.
"Windows" apps run faster in "Windows"?
Shit! Who would have thought that would be possible?
New Axiom to Remember: Apps run faster on their native platform.
I've read a few exchanges from the/. crowd, read a few statements by Linus and the gang, have read McVoy's interpretation of the BK saga, and have come to one conclusion:
No one but the three people involved in this fiasco *really* knows what happened to get this situation to the stage where people begin a verbal free-fire in public.
McVoy is a business man; true to his heart, he needs to keep the BK user strung out on his code. Hell, I would feel the same sense of outrage that he feels if someone threatened to kill my cash cow. Don't pretend that every one you wouldn't feel the same way if it was *your* revenue stream. To me, anyone who claims an absolute vow of poverty is looking for a monastery to live in. Everyone I know would fight to protect a source of financial income.
Selfish? You bet. But nature has created more selfish beings than egalitarian ones. Nature favors pragmatism.
But McVoy could have let this one ride a bit more. It is just a matter of time before someone cracks his model. Then he will have to play the same game as Microsoft and Adobe only on a different level. Too bad for him, though, that his inexpensive advertising scheme didn't last. That is another little detail that goes relatively "un-remarked" upon in the various forums I've read. Larry had one of the hottest programmers in FOSS using his SCM. In fact, this Man Of The Year lavished all kinds of praise on his progeny! You would have to pay more than the "free" license fee for that kind of advertising. Shit, probably A LOT more. If Linus had been paid for his endorsements, that could have added up to quite a sum of money. Larry has wisely kept those funds securely in his pocket.
Again, I'd do that too. The monks of this world can keep their vows.
Linus? Well, it was kind of hard to turn down a free license for one of the best SCMs on the market. If I had been in his position, I would have grabbed the product and ran. In fact, I would like to personally thank Larry for helping juice the Linux kernel development. I know SCO has been rummaging around in the Linux closet for evidence that it was their intellectual property that made the kernel advance so quickly. I believe that Larry's BK contribution probably made the significant increase in kernel production possible. Judging from Linus' angst and outrage, I think he believes that too.
But Linus is being a bit thin skinned. Does he believe he is the ONLY programmer that has been burned by relying on a proprietary product for their work? Didn't he listen to all the people who had been telling him about *their* bad experiences with proprietary lock-in? From what I've read in the past, they had plenty of legitimate worries that this was going to happen. I'm sure that Linus knew it would happen someday too. He's just pissed that it happened NOW as opposed to LATER.
Boo hoo, get over it, this too will pass, etc. But why attack Tridgell in public? Hmmm.... That does raise some interesting questions. And why get all bitchy about it?
There is something we are not getting in this little soap opera. Tridgell is silent, probably for good reason. But why would Linus take him to task knowing that he would not be able to respond publicly?
And Perens? This is a slugfest that only Gates, Darl, and RMS would love - all for differing reasons. Why does Perens feel compelled to call out Linus over his treatment of Tridgell?
I thought the points made by some posters about just how Tridgell was sniffing packets to see the metadata protocols is extremely insightful. To have BK protocols running on his network would require that he be operating a client and server somewhere where he could see it, no? What network was he sniffing if he didn't have a license?
What amazes me is that the attempt to get BK's protocols didn't happen *sooner*. With all of the pissing and moaning that erupted when Linus started using BK, I would have thought there would have been someone d
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XP Pro and server 2003, with no frills interface - as a loo-ong time Linux user I do actually prefer to work in Windows nowdays.
Which means that it is mainly a discussion of preference. No doubt that is the case with all OSs.
I use Linux and other FOSS software because my life is already complicated enough without having to track and manage licenses for every workstation in my house. I've given up on the idea that I must orient my life and work around the demands of Microsoft and Adobe.
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Believe it or not, people educated about the alternatives *still* use XP.
My commments were not intended to be exclusive, but there is a body of evidence in the form of user polls that indicates that Microsoft users are largely unaware of any alternatives to IE. Given that users will not explore alternatives beyond a simple browser, it makes my case a bit more strong that they will also not investigate alternative OSs.
Simply put, most folks will not venture out beyond the OS that came pre-installed in their first computer. That leads into a discussion on predatory pricing and strong-arm monopolistic practices by Microsoft.
Care to argue against court transcripts?
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If there was a clearly better OS out there then why are people still using windows?
Lack of education about alternatives and Microsoft FUD.
That would be just two reasons. I haven't even started with the predatory monopolistic practices.
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He didn't need to be sniffing anyone's network to do this.
Yeah, I wrote this before the demonstration was published.
The other points are still valid. Why is Linus so pissed? Would he have been equally pissed if it had been done by someone other than Tridgell? etc, etc.
I bet at least one kernel developer would be willing to let him do that.
I agree. I am astonished that this didn't happen sooner.
Not if you were invited.
Scenario: Bob is forced to buy a client for a SCM he doesn't like. Bob invites Ted to come over to his house and poke around on the client. Bob has permission to use the client AND interact with the server. Ted is looking at the server from the client that his friend purchased.
I don't think that would be something that could be construed as "illegal". It might be "actionable" in a civil tort sense.
That might be why Tridgell is keeping quiet.
I've read a few exchanges from the /. crowd, read a few statements by Linus and the gang, have read McVoy's interpretation of the BK saga, and have come to one conclusion:
No one but the three people involved in this fiasco *really* knows what happened to get this situation to the stage where people begin a verbal free-fire in public.
McVoy is a business man; true to his heart, he needs to keep the BK user strung out on his code. Hell, I would feel the same sense of outrage that he feels if someone threatened to kill my cash cow. Don't pretend that every one you wouldn't feel the same way if it was *your* revenue stream. To me, anyone who claims an absolute vow of poverty is looking for a monastery to live in. Everyone I know would fight to protect a source of financial income.
Selfish? You bet. But nature has created more selfish beings than egalitarian ones. Nature favors pragmatism.
But McVoy could have let this one ride a bit more. It is just a matter of time before someone cracks his model. Then he will have to play the same game as Microsoft and Adobe only on a different level. Too bad for him, though, that his inexpensive advertising scheme didn't last. That is another little detail that goes relatively "un-remarked" upon in the various forums I've read. Larry had one of the hottest programmers in FOSS using his SCM. In fact, this Man Of The Year lavished all kinds of praise on his progeny! You would have to pay more than the "free" license fee for that kind of advertising. Shit, probably A LOT more. If Linus had been paid for his endorsements, that could have added up to quite a sum of money. Larry has wisely kept those funds securely in his pocket.
Again, I'd do that too. The monks of this world can keep their vows.
Linus? Well, it was kind of hard to turn down a free license for one of the best SCMs on the market. If I had been in his position, I would have grabbed the product and ran. In fact, I would like to personally thank Larry for helping juice the Linux kernel development. I know SCO has been rummaging around in the Linux closet for evidence that it was their intellectual property that made the kernel advance so quickly. I believe that Larry's BK contribution probably made the significant increase in kernel production possible. Judging from Linus' angst and outrage, I think he believes that too.
But Linus is being a bit thin skinned. Does he believe he is the ONLY programmer that has been burned by relying on a proprietary product for their work? Didn't he listen to all the people who had been telling him about *their* bad experiences with proprietary lock-in? From what I've read in the past, they had plenty of legitimate worries that this was going to happen. I'm sure that Linus knew it would happen someday too. He's just pissed that it happened NOW as opposed to LATER.
Boo hoo, get over it, this too will pass, etc. But why attack Tridgell in public? Hmmm.... That does raise some interesting questions. And why get all bitchy about it?
There is something we are not getting in this little soap opera. Tridgell is silent, probably for good reason. But why would Linus take him to task knowing that he would not be able to respond publicly?
And Perens? This is a slugfest that only Gates, Darl, and RMS would love - all for differing reasons. Why does Perens feel compelled to call out Linus over his treatment of Tridgell?
I thought the points made by some posters about just how Tridgell was sniffing packets to see the metadata protocols is extremely insightful. To have BK protocols running on his network would require that he be operating a client and server somewhere where he could see it, no? What network was he sniffing if he didn't have a license?
What amazes me is that the attempt to get BK's protocols didn't happen *sooner*. With all of the pissing and moaning that erupted when Linus started using BK, I would have thought there would have been someone doing what Tridgell was accomplishing years
You don't see a problem with somebody hammering at Wikipedia because subject matter is factually incorrect?
Nope.
Who, other than you, said I did have a problem with the criticism of Wikipedia for presenting poorly vetted articles?
..before Wikipedia gets the level of respect that it deserves. While encyclopedia companies will probably never like this online resource for the obvious economic reasons, there are plenty of other detractors who are going to continue to hammer it for their own reasons. Those people include subject matter experts who will take exception to the way information is presented, either because it isn't written authoritatively or is factually incorrect, and by groups who object to "boiling down" complex information for a lay audience.
That resistance will continue for some time. No doubt Wikipedia will always be a thorn in the side of the bound publishers, but as more factually correct entries are secured in the repository then subject matter experts will warm to the idea of easily-accessible information. I doubt they will rely on it for their own research, relying instead to peer-refereed journals as they always have.
Feel free to be entertained as much as you like. It's for the greater good.
... and notice the large number of positive mods to my posts,
Thanks for your permission.
No doubt by reading my posts, it will leave less time for you to drown puppies, trip old ladies, and hunt down children for whatever evil purposes reside in your head.
Actually those diabolical images never crossed my mind but originated instead inside your putrid imagination.
Not surprising, really.
So really, everyone benefits by you reading my posts.
I guess.
And while you are at it, dig deeper
But on balance, however, you were correctly identified as a troll.
Again, not surprising.
quite a trick you have there, of jumping in after the odd person has modded me down, after 5 or 6 have modded me up.
You have an over-active imagination. You should create another persona to help you keep modding yourself up when everyone else calls you out for the rancid turd that you are.
Maybe you can use that taxpayer funded super computer to figure it all out.
Not enough compting power exists to plumb your depraved depths. What kind of pathetic wanker sits masturbating over dual core processors and XP? Perhaps you could explain that for us.
Oh, and another thing to consider... You should hope that the person you insult today doesn't end up being a hiring manager for your next job. The geosciences is a small world.
Who knows? I could be standing across from you at an AGU conference.
Wow.
How the mighty have fallen.
I just checked your stats on this thread: many reduced to offtopic and flamebait. Not a single +5 left in the bunch.
While I agreed with you that the article was a pointless exercise in Microsoft bashing, I find your debating skills (such as they are) amusingly stupid.
Thanks for the entertainment.
I did check my posting history for this article, and seems like the audience is big and appreciative, judging by all the mod ups.
You mean that 5 that went to a 4?
Shame you cant say the same.
You're right. I'm not worthy enough to be posting on the same articles as you.
You're so smart.
woooo!
... while we mere mortals try to eak out a living on our workstations,
...without any tasty taxpayer money to throw at a supercomputer.
Isn't that supposed to end with a 'T'?
Lets all bow before the great master, who when attacked, pretends he's all high and mighty,
(bows gracefully)
Thanks. Kiss my feet while you are down there, will you?
looking down his nose at us all while he hides behind his supercomputer paid for by the taxpayer.
Yep. You (the taxpayer) would rather that I waste your tax dollars trying to make one machine perform tasks that a specifically-designed machine could do faster, with higher productivity, and lower overall cost.
Yes, I am quite the money wasting pig.
Poor soul. I really pity you.
for companies that must make a profit to survive
When I was with my last company, we would have been canned for not using a supercomputer. In fact, when I worked for a major oil company we did that quite often.
And we worked for profits too.
Nuclear waste cleanup requires more than just one dual core processor machine in order to to solve massive computational problems.
Am I typing too slowly for you?
Come on, you just can't take the truth can you?
... just to the core, no dual-core for you!
Do you have some?
The fact that Windows will benefit from dual core just pains you to the core!
How so?
I don't use Windows.
You might as well be describing how CP/M benefits from dual cores.
I don't need it. I may need it in the future, but I don't have any pressing need to run one now.
New Axiom to Remember: geomon enjoys making incredibly obvious statements to heckle other posters that have made obvious statements.
You've got me now, mate.
Don't let go!
Damn, slashdot is ripe with dumbasses today.
Spoken like a true king.
How's your karma?
You can't tell?
is it being used to hide all your posts from everyone, or is it boosting your posts beyond the anonymous coward filters most people have set?
No. If I were going to do anything like that I would get a sockpuppet and perform from that venue.
Or did you respond to me as an AC because you stay awake at night worrying about your precious karma, unable to risk 'geomon's' enourmous reputation?
I'm posting under my account. I have haven't quite figured out why you keep referring to me as an AC.
Doesn't my name appear above my posts when you view them?
Don't care? Then why post at all? Just to hear yourself talk to yourself?
Check your posting history for this article.
Now tell me who is talking to themselves.
You could care less? ... well obviously you could care less! ... you cared enough to respond, so you most definately do care some! Thanks!
... or better yet, keep reading them, get more stressed, and give yourself that early heart attack you appear to be heading for.
I just think you attack every problem with a hammer when a screwdriver might be a better tool.
Dont like my posts? Dont read them!
I wouldn't miss your posts for anything.
I think they are funnier than hell.
You presume to grasp more power than you truly possess.
I'm enjoying watching you attempt to leap tall buildings with a single bound.
Or maybe you'll get my point, get a dual core processor and get enough work done that you can spend more time at home relaxing instead of pulling your hair out.
I do that without having to resort to multiple processors. When I need a job completed that uses more than one processor, I batch the job to a real computer.
It's not a position, just an observation.
I meant nature's position, not yours.
Sorry I wasn't more clear.
...or is that you responding with no balls as an anonymous coward?
GISGEOLOGYGEEK is your real name?
Your parents must have a wicked sense of humor.
Nature favors nothing and cares about no one.
Pretty pragmatic position, eh?
Now to clear up your other ignorant statements:
Boy, you sure know how to finesse an argument.
You are on about 12 threads now covering this topic and it is abundantly clear to just about everyone here that you are a BIG fan of XP.
It hyperthreads, it multi-threads, it slices, it dices....
We get it.
I like some of Microsoft's products too. For me, it is their business practices suck. That's why I choose to get my work done with Linux. No other reason. And I am quite productive doing the same stuff you do - GIS and geology (as welll as hydrogeology, geophysics, etc).
I could care less if you need your computer to simultaneously play mp3s, do anti-virus scans, redraw your CAD files, while running ARCINFO and creating photomicrographs from your petrographic microscope as you measure birefringence! I don't *currently* need dual cores to get my work done, nor am I'm stupid or a Microsoft-hater for saying so!
YOU LIKE WINDOWS XP!!
AAAAAAAAAGHHHHH!!!!
Whew!
In fact, Windows XP SP1 with AVG *and* a software firewall ran office and home apps faster on my old C433/256 than Mandrake 9.2 *or* FreeBSD 4.3 with no A/V or firewall.
"Windows" apps run faster in "Windows"?
Shit! Who would have thought that would be possible?
New Axiom to Remember: Apps run faster on their native platform.
Thanks for the heads up, dude.
I've read a few exchanges from the /. crowd, read a few statements by Linus and the gang, have read McVoy's interpretation of the BK saga, and have come to one conclusion:
No one but the three people involved in this fiasco *really* knows what happened to get this situation to the stage where people begin a verbal free-fire in public.
McVoy is a business man; true to his heart, he needs to keep the BK user strung out on his code. Hell, I would feel the same sense of outrage that he feels if someone threatened to kill my cash cow. Don't pretend that every one you wouldn't feel the same way if it was *your* revenue stream. To me, anyone who claims an absolute vow of poverty is looking for a monastery to live in. Everyone I know would fight to protect a source of financial income.
Selfish? You bet. But nature has created more selfish beings than egalitarian ones. Nature favors pragmatism.
But McVoy could have let this one ride a bit more. It is just a matter of time before someone cracks his model. Then he will have to play the same game as Microsoft and Adobe only on a different level. Too bad for him, though, that his inexpensive advertising scheme didn't last. That is another little detail that goes relatively "un-remarked" upon in the various forums I've read. Larry had one of the hottest programmers in FOSS using his SCM. In fact, this Man Of The Year lavished all kinds of praise on his progeny! You would have to pay more than the "free" license fee for that kind of advertising. Shit, probably A LOT more. If Linus had been paid for his endorsements, that could have added up to quite a sum of money. Larry has wisely kept those funds securely in his pocket.
Again, I'd do that too. The monks of this world can keep their vows.
Linus? Well, it was kind of hard to turn down a free license for one of the best SCMs on the market. If I had been in his position, I would have grabbed the product and ran. In fact, I would like to personally thank Larry for helping juice the Linux kernel development. I know SCO has been rummaging around in the Linux closet for evidence that it was their intellectual property that made the kernel advance so quickly. I believe that Larry's BK contribution probably made the significant increase in kernel production possible. Judging from Linus' angst and outrage, I think he believes that too.
But Linus is being a bit thin skinned. Does he believe he is the ONLY programmer that has been burned by relying on a proprietary product for their work? Didn't he listen to all the people who had been telling him about *their* bad experiences with proprietary lock-in? From what I've read in the past, they had plenty of legitimate worries that this was going to happen. I'm sure that Linus knew it would happen someday too. He's just pissed that it happened NOW as opposed to LATER.
Boo hoo, get over it, this too will pass, etc. But why attack Tridgell in public? Hmmm.... That does raise some interesting questions. And why get all bitchy about it?
There is something we are not getting in this little soap opera. Tridgell is silent, probably for good reason. But why would Linus take him to task knowing that he would not be able to respond publicly?
And Perens? This is a slugfest that only Gates, Darl, and RMS would love - all for differing reasons. Why does Perens feel compelled to call out Linus over his treatment of Tridgell?
I thought the points made by some posters about just how Tridgell was sniffing packets to see the metadata protocols is extremely insightful. To have BK protocols running on his network would require that he be operating a client and server somewhere where he could see it, no? What network was he sniffing if he didn't have a license?
What amazes me is that the attempt to get BK's protocols didn't happen *sooner*. With all of the pissing and moaning that erupted when Linus started using BK, I would have thought there would have been someone d
Nicely played. ;)
XP Pro and server 2003, with no frills interface - as a loo-ong time Linux user I do actually prefer to work in Windows nowdays.
Which means that it is mainly a discussion of preference. No doubt that is the case with all OSs.
I use Linux and other FOSS software because my life is already complicated enough without having to track and manage licenses for every workstation in my house. I've given up on the idea that I must orient my life and work around the demands of Microsoft and Adobe.
Believe it or not, people educated about the alternatives *still* use XP.
My commments were not intended to be exclusive, but there is a body of evidence in the form of user polls that indicates that Microsoft users are largely unaware of any alternatives to IE. Given that users will not explore alternatives beyond a simple browser, it makes my case a bit more strong that they will also not investigate alternative OSs.
Simply put, most folks will not venture out beyond the OS that came pre-installed in their first computer. That leads into a discussion on predatory pricing and strong-arm monopolistic practices by Microsoft.
Care to argue against court transcripts?
If there was a clearly better OS out there then why are people still using windows?
Lack of education about alternatives and Microsoft FUD.
That would be just two reasons. I haven't even started with the predatory monopolistic practices.
The rule we used was, once it went into the lab, it never came out except as medical waste to be burned or what ever they did with that stuff.
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With the exception of the humans working in the lab, I hope.
Can you imagine the hardiness of the critters living on the Blarney Stone?