Hmm..isnt that how they led with XP, copying Aqua?
Well, hardly, given that if they really tried copying, they failed miserably. Or does XP's default "skin" seem to you close to OSX in any concievable way ? Looks or functionality ? I don't think so. On the other side, as now it seems, they will try the same with Longhorn, since all features pulled out and what remains is the looks, which is like decaf coffee: you can drink it and not die, but it will only keep you awake because of your weak stomach:)
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Mozilla/Firefox/Opera do not have the google toolbar
Don't be so ignorant, each of the above, and also Konqueror has built-in search boxes for searching on Google for example. Kewl stuff. In my Firefox I have now 18 search options, man of them hand-made, very nice.
I do care, myself. I try to use OO, but the exporting/importing from MS Office in 1.x has some problems.
I always feel that I need to count to 10 and calm down before refelecting on such statements. The main reasons I would never embrace anything from and related to Microsoft is that today there are very many people that really think that everything out there should be Microsoft-compatible, and _never_ the other way around. No matter if the others have genuine standards compliance, great open formats, etc. For them it's the MS way or the highway. That said, I do think OpenOffice.org does a very great job at importing and exporting Word documents, in spite the fact that the whole damn format is burried hundred feet deep under Everglades among rotting animal corpses.
I don't need no stinkin' Base:D But seriously, it can help in the design, mostly for newbies, but what else would you need Base for when you have mysql and postrges, just to name the two major ones ? And besides, if somebody new to databases, they'd better learn p/mysql, great benefits in the long term.
Ok, after the rant, I'd also very welcome Base, not for myself, and not for many others, but it would represent a significant point in convincing the great joe6pack masses about the usability of OpenOffice.org. And that would be a Good Thing.
I hope so, considering that Libranet uses Ubuntu packages.
You mean it also uses packages from Ubuntu, meaning there are some Ubuntu packages. Otherwise, Libranet is better with Debian, meaning it has absolutely no issues with the huge Debian pachage base.
Well, different worlds I'd say. I never in my life would've thought about Warty Warthog, Hoary Hedgehog, Breezy Badger or Grumpy Groundhog as simple, nor intuitive. I think whoever thinks these names out is just in an urging need of a good kilolitre of fine ale and a good sleep.
Well, I might not be quite objective her e:) but I really like Sid, Woody and Sarge:)
Oh please, why that ? I have not much against py but I do have against py-written apps. I had so much trouble with such apps, that I avoid anything related to it if I can. You can call this FUD spreading, but that was not my intention, it just what happened. If you want so much to port the stuff, make it c+gtk or c+qt or c# based, it still would be multi-platform. I don't have anything against the java client, still, I always used other torrent clients (like bitcomet) because of speed and/or stability.
Ok, fine. Lay out for me some experiment I can do in which one of the possible outcomes disproves the existance of God or the theory of ID.
Nothing new, but so you also know, the inability to yet disprove something doesn't mean that it is naturally true. I believe some God exists. Still, I wouldn't demand proof from anyone. Why ? Because it's a belief, ain't no need to prove. I also believe in evolution, because I am a man of facts, of science, of engineering, of proofs, meaning I also believe my eyes not just my heart.
These people PANIC because they feel the THEORY of EVOLUTION is being taught as FACT. So long as teachers are doing their job RIGHT (which is rare in public school), EVOLUTION is being taught as a TESTED THEORY, that has SCIENTIFIC backing.
I am a Christian. What I always believed, and I still do, that while evolution theory and Darwin's works should be taught in schools (we could go into discussions about the school level though) for reasons like history, some undeniable proofs, etc., religion and religious believes should only be "taught" in schools as part of history lessons. Why ? Because I feel that while the evolution theory is part of our [i.e. this planet's] overall culture, hell even everyday life as bilogy, and general knowledge of different religions are also, specific religions and religious issues do not belong to schools. Our religion&faith and passing it over to our children is a matter of a smaller culture, family, community, sometimes nation. I firmly believe it's my job, and the church's job to introduce my children to our religion.
I personally feel that all sides of the story should be told and heard. What would make me especially outrageous is when they didn't taught evolution theory in schools. Well, not that I wouldn't tell about it to my children, but there could be the possibility that others didn't.
Microsoft is not deciding what you can do on your computer. They are deciding what you can do with a product they sell. It's a free market - if their product doesn't do what you want, buy (or download for free in many cases) a product that does.
You seem to forget something. MS doesn't want you to use anything else, just think back on the last 1-2 years on MS's PR and marketing campaigns, think on the truly crippled - as I call it - 3rd world windows version, the price reduced version for Brasil, and I could go on. The point is, they don't want anyone to leave them and want everyone to hug them. Still... read back.
Oh yes, his post does make sense. Just think, smaller companies won't easily survive making bad quality software, so they make good or die. But there are ones out there, who just won't let go:]
I imagine if someone were to create TCP/IP today instead of 30 years ago when the Internet was a much smaller, nicer place, raw sockets would not be part of the spec.
Oh. So what with those poor bastards who work on new protocols, testing, implementing, whatever (well, I can't imagine why would they do that on windows, but that's not the point). Guess they wouldn't have been that happy about that exclusion. Sometimes wouldn't hurt to not always think from joe6packs' point of view.
giving every program access to raw sockets is a bit silly considering how easy it is to get programs into Windows. But this is a good move
Yeah, typical microsoftish opinion: if we can't fix, deny the use. This is nothing new. Think antispy acquisition, think palladium, all being indirect answers to a missing solution.
As someone who writes all kinds of code, for hobby, for research, for work, on windows and on linux, I don't really like restrictions like this. But then again, it never came to my mind to write anything using sock_raw in windows.
Anyway, what sticks me here is - as happened already sometimes related to MS - that why should I even think about loving and/or sticking with a company who has grown so big/powerful that they no longer need the duty - to put it this way - to follow standards. They just say this is good that is bad this shall follow, and everybody shall line up behind them in deep prayer.
It looks like mostly a way of keeping stuff on hard-drives secret.
Thing is, you probably won't be able to carry hard drives in racks, because what you will write on it at one place, can't be read at another ? Or am I just too pessimistic here ?
Added to that, why would anyone need such a chip when I can protect entire volumes (let that have any physical manifestation that you can dream of) with gpg encryption under linux ? TPM my ass, well said.
I always felt a bit funny and peculiar that instead of trying to be more robust and secure, MS wants us to protect ourselves with some chips. I ain't going to pay no more money to a company who can't solve 5-10 year old sw security problems with all that cash they gather(ed).
Where can I find a list of enhancements that are due in Longhorn?
Well, look what happened to their eariler lists. It just continuously shrinks smaller and smaller. Not that when it was a bigger one it had any major innovation on it. But now even those are getting slowly dropped. One more year and what you will have ? XP SP12 with a gray-ish skin, needing double cpu double memory, and double price.
I think they'd better not make any lists yet (again).
On the other side, Xen, the line of the cycler kid at the end of The Incredibles comes to mind, something like "wow, that was totally wicked":D
I don't, didn't, won't convert people in the sense the "article" writer means. But I tell my opinion, always accompanied with facts and proofs about the differences among different MS products and the many available free software, about MS's policies and market behaviour, PR techniques, marketing trash, etc.
I don't really and specifically care what sw other people use. What I care about it that they should have a clear and open mind, take a step back and don't believe every hype that some - one or the other - big buck company shoves in your face. The reason why I sometimes suggest free alternatives is simply to show them that "choice", in its best meaning, is not a myth, it is and it can be truth. I'd like to make them understand, that they should not follow the lead of a huge corporation just because it has lots of money, great PR, big hype campaigns, huge ad sprees, etc., but take a small moment and think what they need, why they need it, what would be their best solution and pick the best one - not just take a company's promise or PR as granted.
Also, why would any caring person, who has any small amount of computer knowledge let willingly stay people in the dark and let them further think IE is the internet and Word is the editor and Windows is the OS. Not because you want them do drop their MS love, just simply because you want them to know.
And no, the "use this 'cause it's better" argument is mostly not working. Even showing and presentig in detail doesn't work usually. Switching is hard for most ordinary clickety people. But, and I think this is most important, no matter if they don't switch, what matters is that they gained some knowledge that hopefully will benefit them in the long term. Maybe at their next computer purchase, maybe at their next system wide data loss, whatever. If the seed is planted, it will eventually grow.
Hell, if that would depend on some vote, I'd vote for it. But thing is, it sadly doesn't depent on us. Maybe we should make some tv ads like those soap and cleaner and diapers adds, all flashy and pink and some magnificent girl licking an OO.org logo:D:D:D
Surely MS would respond, and judging how their PR works, they would probably would try to come up with an add being bigger, more pink, more girls, and not just licking:)
Remember the episode on Friends with the free pr0n ?:D Half of the population would be won over:)
Well, I guess it's just tastes and distastes, but I never in my life thought about that picture viewer thing as "functional". What I like in it the most is that I can get rid of it quickly.
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just get back all these things you have to click on--that is so antiquated
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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All that came to me about that was:
Sounds like a line from Simpsons
pow(ignorance,pow(stupidity,2))
Hmm..isnt that how they led with XP, copying Aqua?
:)
Well, hardly, given that if they really tried copying, they failed miserably. Or does XP's default "skin" seem to you close to OSX in any concievable way ? Looks or functionality ? I don't think so. On the other side, as now it seems, they will try the same with Longhorn, since all features pulled out and what remains is the looks, which is like decaf coffee: you can drink it and not die, but it will only keep you awake because of your weak stomach
Mozilla/Firefox/Opera do not have the google toolbar
Don't be so ignorant, each of the above, and also Konqueror has built-in search boxes for searching on Google for example. Kewl stuff. In my Firefox I have now 18 search options, man of them hand-made, very nice.
I'm sorry, but really, what an asshole. Can't accept a little competition?
Given MS's behaviour in the last 20 years you still can sincerely ask such questions ?
I do care, myself. I try to use OO, but the exporting/importing from MS Office in 1.x has some problems.
I always feel that I need to count to 10 and calm down before refelecting on such statements. The main reasons I would never embrace anything from and related to Microsoft is that today there are very many people that really think that everything out there should be Microsoft-compatible, and _never_ the other way around. No matter if the others have genuine standards compliance, great open formats, etc. For them it's the MS way or the highway. That said, I do think OpenOffice.org does a very great job at importing and exporting Word documents, in spite the fact that the whole damn format is burried hundred feet deep under Everglades among rotting animal corpses.
and the 2.x betas are not provided as binaries
I honestly don't know what you are talking about.
I don't need no stinkin' Base :D But seriously, it can help in the design, mostly for newbies, but what else would you need Base for when you have mysql and postrges, just to name the two major ones ? And besides, if somebody new to databases, they'd better learn p/mysql, great benefits in the long term.
Ok, after the rant, I'd also very welcome Base, not for myself, and not for many others, but it would represent a significant point in convincing the great joe6pack masses about the usability of OpenOffice.org. And that would be a Good Thing.
I hope so, considering that Libranet uses Ubuntu packages.
You mean it also uses packages from Ubuntu, meaning there are some Ubuntu packages. Otherwise, Libranet is better with Debian, meaning it has absolutely no issues with the huge Debian pachage base.
Ahem, just one quick: if this is an article on Ubuntu, then why is there the Debian logo beside the title ?
Simple, intuitive, Ubuntu.
:)
Well, different worlds I'd say. I never in my life would've thought about Warty Warthog, Hoary Hedgehog, Breezy Badger or Grumpy Groundhog as simple, nor intuitive. I think whoever thinks these names out is just in an urging need of a good kilolitre of fine ale and a good sleep.
Well, I might not be quite objective her e:) but I really like Sid, Woody and Sarge
We do need a python version though.
Oh please, why that ? I have not much against py but I do have against py-written apps. I had so much trouble with such apps, that I avoid anything related to it if I can. You can call this FUD spreading, but that was not my intention, it just what happened. If you want so much to port the stuff, make it c+gtk or c+qt or c# based, it still would be multi-platform. I don't have anything against the java client, still, I always used other torrent clients (like bitcomet) because of speed and/or stability.
Ok, fine. Lay out for me some experiment I can do in which one of the possible outcomes disproves the existance of God or the theory of ID.
Nothing new, but so you also know, the inability to yet disprove something doesn't mean that it is naturally true. I believe some God exists. Still, I wouldn't demand proof from anyone. Why ? Because it's a belief, ain't no need to prove. I also believe in evolution, because I am a man of facts, of science, of engineering, of proofs, meaning I also believe my eyes not just my heart.
Europe and America separate at the rate of 4 cm/year
Yup, and what do you call your "assumption" that this speed has always been linearly the same, along the couple of years that have passed ?
Anyway, the point is: Stop thinking for yourself!
/. where the above is "insightful".
Yup alright, we're clearly on
These people PANIC because they feel the THEORY of EVOLUTION is being taught as FACT. So long as teachers are doing their job RIGHT (which is rare in public school), EVOLUTION is being taught as a TESTED THEORY, that has SCIENTIFIC backing.
I am a Christian. What I always believed, and I still do, that while evolution theory and Darwin's works should be taught in schools (we could go into discussions about the school level though) for reasons like history, some undeniable proofs, etc., religion and religious believes should only be "taught" in schools as part of history lessons. Why ? Because I feel that while the evolution theory is part of our [i.e. this planet's] overall culture, hell even everyday life as bilogy, and general knowledge of different religions are also, specific religions and religious issues do not belong to schools. Our religion&faith and passing it over to our children is a matter of a smaller culture, family, community, sometimes nation. I firmly believe it's my job, and the church's job to introduce my children to our religion.
I personally feel that all sides of the story should be told and heard. What would make me especially outrageous is when they didn't taught evolution theory in schools. Well, not that I wouldn't tell about it to my children, but there could be the possibility that others didn't.
Well, enough of my blatter.
intelligent design (ID) is not (or at least I haven't seen anyone show how it is falsifiable)
That doesn't prove anything. Think Simpson+stone+tigers.
:D hehe :D now this should've landed on the front page, not how Google looked 6-7 years ago, why ? well, because we still freakin' remember that's why
damn, tomorrow we will read about how the weather was yesterday
Microsoft is not deciding what you can do on your computer. They are deciding what you can do with a product they sell. It's a free market - if their product doesn't do what you want, buy (or download for free in many cases) a product that does.
You seem to forget something. MS doesn't want you to use anything else, just think back on the last 1-2 years on MS's PR and marketing campaigns, think on the truly crippled - as I call it - 3rd world windows version, the price reduced version for Brasil, and I could go on. The point is, they don't want anyone to leave them and want everyone to hug them. Still... read back.
Oh yes, his post does make sense. Just think, smaller companies won't easily survive making bad quality software, so they make good or die. But there are ones out there, who just won't let go :]
I imagine if someone were to create TCP/IP today instead of 30 years ago when the Internet was a much smaller, nicer place, raw sockets would not be part of the spec.
Oh. So what with those poor bastards who work on new protocols, testing, implementing, whatever (well, I can't imagine why would they do that on windows, but that's not the point). Guess they wouldn't have been that happy about that exclusion. Sometimes wouldn't hurt to not always think from joe6packs' point of view.
giving every program access to raw sockets is a bit silly considering how easy it is to get programs into Windows. But this is a good move
Yeah, typical microsoftish opinion: if we can't fix, deny the use. This is nothing new. Think antispy acquisition, think palladium, all being indirect answers to a missing solution.
As someone who writes all kinds of code, for hobby, for research, for work, on windows and on linux, I don't really like restrictions like this. But then again, it never came to my mind to write anything using sock_raw in windows.
Anyway, what sticks me here is - as happened already sometimes related to MS - that why should I even think about loving and/or sticking with a company who has grown so big/powerful that they no longer need the duty - to put it this way - to follow standards. They just say this is good that is bad this shall follow, and everybody shall line up behind them in deep prayer.
It looks like mostly a way of keeping stuff on hard-drives secret.
Thing is, you probably won't be able to carry hard drives in racks, because what you will write on it at one place, can't be read at another ? Or am I just too pessimistic here ?
Added to that, why would anyone need such a chip when I can protect entire volumes (let that have any physical manifestation that you can dream of) with gpg encryption under linux ? TPM my ass, well said.
I always felt a bit funny and peculiar that instead of trying to be more robust and secure, MS wants us to protect ourselves with some chips. I ain't going to pay no more money to a company who can't solve 5-10 year old sw security problems with all that cash they gather(ed).
Where can I find a list of enhancements that are due in Longhorn?
:D
Well, look what happened to their eariler lists. It just continuously shrinks smaller and smaller. Not that when it was a bigger one it had any major innovation on it. But now even those are getting slowly dropped. One more year and what you will have ? XP SP12 with a gray-ish skin, needing double cpu double memory, and double price.
I think they'd better not make any lists yet (again).
On the other side, Xen, the line of the cycler kid at the end of The Incredibles comes to mind, something like "wow, that was totally wicked"
I don't, didn't, won't convert people in the sense the "article" writer means. But I tell my opinion, always accompanied with facts and proofs about the differences among different MS products and the many available free software, about MS's policies and market behaviour, PR techniques, marketing trash, etc.
I don't really and specifically care what sw other people use. What I care about it that they should have a clear and open mind, take a step back and don't believe every hype that some - one or the other - big buck company shoves in your face. The reason why I sometimes suggest free alternatives is simply to show them that "choice", in its best meaning, is not a myth, it is and it can be truth. I'd like to make them understand, that they should not follow the lead of a huge corporation just because it has lots of money, great PR, big hype campaigns, huge ad sprees, etc., but take a small moment and think what they need, why they need it, what would be their best solution and pick the best one - not just take a company's promise or PR as granted.
Also, why would any caring person, who has any small amount of computer knowledge let willingly stay people in the dark and let them further think IE is the internet and Word is the editor and Windows is the OS. Not because you want them do drop their MS love, just simply because you want them to know.
And no, the "use this 'cause it's better" argument is mostly not working. Even showing and presentig in detail doesn't work usually. Switching is hard for most ordinary clickety people. But, and I think this is most important, no matter if they don't switch, what matters is that they gained some knowledge that hopefully will benefit them in the long term. Maybe at their next computer purchase, maybe at their next system wide data loss, whatever. If the seed is planted, it will eventually grow.
Hell, if that would depend on some vote, I'd vote for it. But thing is, it sadly doesn't depent on us. Maybe we should make some tv ads like those soap and cleaner and diapers adds, all flashy and pink and some magnificent girl licking an OO.org logo :D :D :D
:)
:D Half of the population would be won over :)
Surely MS would respond, and judging how their PR works, they would probably would try to come up with an add being bigger, more pink, more girls, and not just licking
Remember the episode on Friends with the free pr0n ?
Windows Picture and Fax viewer in XP
Well, I guess it's just tastes and distastes, but I never in my life thought about that picture viewer thing as "functional". What I like in it the most is that I can get rid of it quickly.