While gearheads love tinkering with every last detail of their automobiles, most people just want to get in their car and drive
Yup, you're basically right. And you also make one more statement on the side of FOSS operating systems. Why ? Because with Linux the tinkering guys can have their fun, and the others can also get along (just feed them the right distro). With Windows, you're stuck with what you get, and that's it.
You know, it's not too hard these days to install a different package on a Linux than its own. Rpm's can be installed under debian-based distros (although my back shivers when I see one, long years experience with RH comes to mind), and that's just one example.
You know, a quote comes to mind: The universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements, energy, matter and enlgithened self-interest. (G'Kar)
and before u flame me, even keeks shd know that telling someone they r wrong rarely works
:D Now you got us all on your side:) Dude, you _are_ something, indeed:)
and people like me want to spend learning about OSs ? zero
I hope you're not so closed into your own little world so as not to be able to realize that there are people who can not be satisfied by a click-here-I-tell-you-what-you-need bunchacrap. It's a pretty high ball to think everybody+dog is like you out there. If so, I'd rather be on Mars alone with the breaking rovers.
In other words, the EU Council has just stated that form is more important than meaning, and that it is more important that the bureaucrats are able to create legislation quickly and effortlessly than the legislation being fair and correct.
They are just beaurocrats from head to toe. It's more important to get that piece of paper done already so they can move over to the next stuff that needs to be dealt with. They don't care what's on that paper, it just needs to get away and disappear from their sight.
I'm gald that the dominant software supplier in my shop spends more than 48 hours writing code
Well, guessing which your "dominant software supplier" might be, you should know by now that it's not the time spent on a software that will make it good.
What if they'd develop one browser for Linux for free (with a well-chosen license), and one for Windows with a price (for the software, for the patches, for support) ? Maybe one could support the other. Just an idea (and take into account that I just got the flu, my head hurts and I can't take a day off:) ).
Okay, I can see some truth in that. Let's say there were are people who only could tell about temperature whether it's very hot, hot, mild, cold or freezing. To "evolve" to a stage where they can quite exactly tell that the temperature on some scale, tell the difference between today's and yesterday's temperatures, etc. they would need to get to a point where scientific results come down to the level of the people and become integrated into their everyday lives. No matter what the scale used, it all originates from the scientific results.
So on one hand one could say the expression abilities of temperature come from science. The difference of the scales come from the scientists who propagated the knowledge into the population in question. The latter naturally has closer ties to culture, but the two can not really be that separated.
I totally understand. There are uses which necessitate Windows, and sometimes there are no suitable replaceements, or if there are, one just might not be willing to use it and that's fine. It's always very great to be able to use what one wishes and, also, to be able to choose not to use something. What I wanted to point to was that because of great consoles, game availability is not that much the turning point these days (except from applications like the one you mentioned which are only available on one platform).
Ease out chump, no need to go postal. I forgot nothing. I just told him (and anyone else interested) about a *decent* option, and I told him the caveat to it as well.
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coLinux is NOT an emulation. From it's homepage:
:) alright, alright, didn't want to go down on anyone, I was maybe a bit... out of place, I just tend to be more aggressive about the topic these days. About coLinux, you're certainly right, I just - maybe incorrectly - tried to generally refer to linux not run natively.
I can't fully agree with you. Just an example. My machine, when (Rarely) booting Windows has only two commercial applciations running: the os itself and ms office. everything else (from blender to gimp, from inkscape to netbeans, from miranda to cdburner xp pro, and I could go on the dozens of applications installed) is free. Everybody else could do that. They don't. Why ? Laziness, being-used-to, not enough will to learn a few new things, etc. That's why.
especially when this sort of thing would be completely BASHED if it were from Microsoft
And rightfully so. Why ? Because they have hundreds of well-paied developers doing the job and they ask a fair amout of money for the "product". That gives a bit of reason to expect certain things.
Unlike many others responding to this, I find this post a huge troll. Why ? Because it's a deliberate disdain of foss developers' and their committed work work for one, and it also shows no insight into foss development methods and ways. If it were as you claim (funny or not), even the present OO.org feature set wouldn't exist. Hell, no Linux whatesoever would exist, let alone the powerfull functionalities foss os'es and applications posess.
I find such comments anything but funny. Although I don't say such reactions couldn't happen, all of those people being mere humans.
Just one question: have you ever found a nice function in an foss product that you really enjoyed and was nice to use ? If so, have you ever wrote a single encourageing line of e-mail thanking their efforts ? Yup, thought so.
I've tried 1.1, and the "multi-user" install is nothing of the sort
Ok, MS Office story coming. Saw it not just once. Guy installs Office as admin on his windows box. Then switches back to his normal user account he usually uses. Runs Office, few dialogs, whatever, ususal stuff, then one comes up demanding an install disk to fetch some files. Now that's how exactly better than OO.org customizing install for each user (which had to be done, but was fast and seamless, true, quite bitching to do by one single admin) ?
Well, that began ~3 versions back. Companies notice later because of their usually later version changing software updates, but they come to notice eventually. Still, none has put enough pressure on MS regarding this matter. For sole users, well, we have our ways and our tools, so we don't complain that much, just add another mark on our virtual MS-"feature" list.
But you can use it to claim that OpenOffice does not have 100% of the functionality that MS Office does.
You can, but I hope there will be at least some people who would say this is not a valid argument. Why ? Because it suggests that the mentioned functionality can not be reproduced by anything else but Microsoft's Office applications, which is entirely not true, and on top of that amost every other possible solution would be easier to write, to handle, to update and further develop, etc etc.
Also some may consider Windows NT based systems to be part of the BSD family, or atleast its TCP/IP stack
Yay, yay, yay, hold it right there. Oh. My. Sh*t that was a really hard breath to take. I mean, everybody+dog knows about the networking and lack of thereof in early Windows and the way they got through. But the first part, man, that should find its way into some wierd sicko fortune cookie.
Again, I don't quite understand how some people can't differenciate an OS from gaming. Supposedly it's hard to imagine an OS not primarily used for gaming ? Yes, you can come over and over again with the argument that most people probably just game their guts off, but that can not be a general argumentation when favoring an OS over the other. If you want to game, then hell, game, buy a damn console and you won't even have the time to get bored. Or buy your Windows and game some more. But get lost with these arguments when bashing Linux.
You also need to keep in mind that linux users dont buy software and that is the big difference between them and Mac users.
The biggest freaking troll in days. From where the hell did you come up with that ? You saying we won't pay for let's say Maya because we use Linux and we are those bunch'a guys who don't pay for anything ? You'd be just highly surprised I suppose if I'd say how much more Windows users live from warez than Linux people. But you also just simply forget that MANY great (commercial) applications are available for Linux/Unix and yes, they have to be paid for !
Yes, true, runs and goes, and so does cygwin (I use on on a daily basis at work, because I can't run Linux there), but you (and the like) always forget something quite easily: there are some people who _don't want to use Windows_ ! Why, hell, just because. For gaming, there are the consoles, for work and other - very broad spectrum of - tasks, Linux is just freaking great. Why would we use a Windows-based emulation of our favourite OS when we can have the original rght just there.
And that's also the reason behind Wine and the like: there are times when one would need to run a Windows-based app (_not_ necessarily games, get over that) and maybe we don't want to pay for a full Windows for that.
Yup, ignorance is a bliss, unless it is blushingly embarassing.
What I would like to see from Google is maybe a dictionary or an encyclopedia or something like that. They can search, they do, so let them rule everything that is search-related. Good ideas, good service and speed. Yup, we need that.
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While gearheads love tinkering with every last detail of their automobiles, most people just want to get in their car and drive
Yup, you're basically right. And you also make one more statement on the side of FOSS operating systems. Why ? Because with Linux the tinkering guys can have their fun, and the others can also get along (just feed them the right distro). With Windows, you're stuck with what you get, and that's it.
You know, it's not too hard these days to install a different package on a Linux than its own. Rpm's can be installed under debian-based distros (although my back shivers when I see one, long years experience with RH comes to mind), and that's just one example.
(I = normal people like me)
:D Now you got us all on your side :) Dude, you _are_ something, indeed :)
You know, a quote comes to mind: The universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements, energy, matter and enlgithened self-interest. (G'Kar)
and before u flame me, even keeks shd know that telling someone they r wrong rarely works
and people like me want to spend learning about OSs ? zero
I hope you're not so closed into your own little world so as not to be able to realize that there are people who can not be satisfied by a click-here-I-tell-you-what-you-need bunchacrap. It's a pretty high ball to think everybody+dog is like you out there. If so, I'd rather be on Mars alone with the breaking rovers.
without having to edit config files
Snuggle back to your clicketty-I-can-click-anything-together redmond overlords.
In other words, the EU Council has just stated that form is more important than meaning, and that it is more important that the bureaucrats are able to create legislation quickly and effortlessly than the legislation being fair and correct.
They are just beaurocrats from head to toe. It's more important to get that piece of paper done already so they can move over to the next stuff that needs to be dealt with. They don't care what's on that paper, it just needs to get away and disappear from their sight.
I'm gald that the dominant software supplier in my shop spends more than 48 hours writing code
Well, guessing which your "dominant software supplier" might be, you should know by now that it's not the time spent on a software that will make it good.
What if they'd develop one browser for Linux for free (with a well-chosen license), and one for Windows with a price (for the software, for the patches, for support) ? Maybe one could support the other. Just an idea (and take into account that I just got the flu, my head hurts and I can't take a day off :) ).
God, it's really bad to be wrong :) I stand corrected but hey, at least I learned something today.
Okay, I can see some truth in that. Let's say there were are people who only could tell about temperature whether it's very hot, hot, mild, cold or freezing. To "evolve" to a stage where they can quite exactly tell that the temperature on some scale, tell the difference between today's and yesterday's temperatures, etc. they would need to get to a point where scientific results come down to the level of the people and become integrated into their everyday lives. No matter what the scale used, it all originates from the scientific results.
So on one hand one could say the expression abilities of temperature come from science. The difference of the scales come from the scientists who propagated the knowledge into the population in question. The latter naturally has closer ties to culture, but the two can not really be that separated.
I totally understand. There are uses which necessitate Windows, and sometimes there are no suitable replaceements, or if there are, one just might not be willing to use it and that's fine. It's always very great to be able to use what one wishes and, also, to be able to choose not to use something. What I wanted to point to was that because of great consoles, game availability is not that much the turning point these days (except from applications like the one you mentioned which are only available on one platform).
Ease out chump, no need to go postal. I forgot nothing. I just told him (and anyone else interested) about a *decent* option, and I told him the caveat to it as well.
:) alright, alright, didn't want to go down on anyone, I was maybe a bit ... out of place, I just tend to be more aggressive about the topic these days. About coLinux, you're certainly right, I just - maybe incorrectly - tried to generally refer to linux not run natively.
[...]
coLinux is NOT an emulation. From it's homepage:
I can't fully agree with you. Just an example. My machine, when (Rarely) booting Windows has only two commercial applciations running: the os itself and ms office. everything else (from blender to gimp, from inkscape to netbeans, from miranda to cdburner xp pro, and I could go on the dozens of applications installed) is free. Everybody else could do that. They don't. Why ? Laziness, being-used-to, not enough will to learn a few new things, etc. That's why.
especially when this sort of thing would be completely BASHED if it were from Microsoft
And rightfully so. Why ? Because they have hundreds of well-paied developers doing the job and they ask a fair amout of money for the "product". That gives a bit of reason to expect certain things.
Unlike many others responding to this, I find this post a huge troll. Why ? Because it's a deliberate disdain of foss developers' and their committed work work for one, and it also shows no insight into foss development methods and ways. If it were as you claim (funny or not), even the present OO.org feature set wouldn't exist. Hell, no Linux whatesoever would exist, let alone the powerfull functionalities foss os'es and applications posess.
I find such comments anything but funny. Although I don't say such reactions couldn't happen, all of those people being mere humans.
Just one question: have you ever found a nice function in an foss product that you really enjoyed and was nice to use ? If so, have you ever wrote a single encourageing line of e-mail thanking their efforts ? Yup, thought so.
I've tried 1.1, and the "multi-user" install is nothing of the sort
Ok, MS Office story coming. Saw it not just once. Guy installs Office as admin on his windows box. Then switches back to his normal user account he usually uses. Runs Office, few dialogs, whatever, ususal stuff, then one comes up demanding an install disk to fetch some files. Now that's how exactly better than OO.org customizing install for each user (which had to be done, but was fast and seamless, true, quite bitching to do by one single admin) ?
Turns out MS is not compatible with MS
Well, that began ~3 versions back. Companies notice later because of their usually later version changing software updates, but they come to notice eventually. Still, none has put enough pressure on MS regarding this matter. For sole users, well, we have our ways and our tools, so we don't complain that much, just add another mark on our virtual MS-"feature" list.
dirty and relatively clean
I don't think I ever say a better description of it in such a short way. So totally true (whether intended so or not).
But you can use it to claim that OpenOffice does not have 100% of the functionality that MS Office does.
You can, but I hope there will be at least some people who would say this is not a valid argument. Why ? Because it suggests that the mentioned functionality can not be reproduced by anything else but Microsoft's Office applications, which is entirely not true, and on top of that amost every other possible solution would be easier to write, to handle, to update and further develop, etc etc.
Also some may consider Windows NT based systems to be part of the BSD family, or atleast its TCP/IP stack
Yay, yay, yay, hold it right there. Oh. My. Sh*t that was a really hard breath to take. I mean, everybody+dog knows about the networking and lack of thereof in early Windows and the way they got through. But the first part, man, that should find its way into some wierd sicko fortune cookie.
Sure, but you'll have to recompile the kernel...
That sounds like coming from a mouth of someone who could be a model of "user" as Microsoft sees it.
Again, I don't quite understand how some people can't differenciate an OS from gaming. Supposedly it's hard to imagine an OS not primarily used for gaming ? Yes, you can come over and over again with the argument that most people probably just game their guts off, but that can not be a general argumentation when favoring an OS over the other. If you want to game, then hell, game, buy a damn console and you won't even have the time to get bored. Or buy your Windows and game some more. But get lost with these arguments when bashing Linux.
You also need to keep in mind that linux users dont buy software and that is the big difference between them and Mac users.
The biggest freaking troll in days. From where the hell did you come up with that ? You saying we won't pay for let's say Maya because we use Linux and we are those bunch'a guys who don't pay for anything ? You'd be just highly surprised I suppose if I'd say how much more Windows users live from warez than Linux people. But you also just simply forget that MANY great (commercial) applications are available for Linux/Unix and yes, they have to be paid for !
Yes, true, runs and goes, and so does cygwin (I use on on a daily basis at work, because I can't run Linux there), but you (and the like) always forget something quite easily: there are some people who _don't want to use Windows_ ! Why, hell, just because. For gaming, there are the consoles, for work and other - very broad spectrum of - tasks, Linux is just freaking great. Why would we use a Windows-based emulation of our favourite OS when we can have the original rght just there.
And that's also the reason behind Wine and the like: there are times when one would need to run a Windows-based app (_not_ necessarily games, get over that) and maybe we don't want to pay for a full Windows for that.
becoming a jack-of-all-trades and master of none?
Yup, ignorance is a bliss, unless it is blushingly embarassing.
What I would like to see from Google is maybe a dictionary or an encyclopedia or something like that. They can search, they do, so let them rule everything that is search-related. Good ideas, good service and speed. Yup, we need that.
that they make "wx" interchangeable with "weather"
Jebus, now that's some crazy sh*t. Why the hell "wx" ? Let's go hex then or navajo. Geez.