Well Small Dick, it's really time to pull up stakes and move on to another job.
Why not propose an alternative "Web Based Info System" based on Perl/PHP, Apache, MySQL, Linux. Demonstrate the cost savings and rapid development.
Do have a spec on the Information System their are looking to build? I do development work for a large Ag Bank and the Navy. Recently my company has developed several Information system such as:
Online Memo Logs including attachment uploading and dynamic conversion of to pdf formats, e-mail announcements, access scoping.
FAQ and Helpdesk managers. Let helpdesk personell help themselves.
Well if you have a packet sniffer on a lan or wan cookies would be one of the least significant data items you can receive (such as clear text passwords, cc numbers or whatever is being transmitted in the domain you have access to). Right ? or am i missing your point.
As was pointed out a lot of sites use cookie to maintain session. Therefore if I can steal the session ID for lets say Amazon I could send you $20000 dollars of books as a joke. That is not funny.
This hole depreciates the value of "Netscape" cookies which is a nice way to maintain session with a connectionless protocol.
I thought genes were selfish. Sex was not "created" to increase genetic diversity, although that may be a side effect. Sex is merely a way for your selfish genes to find there way into another survival machine and (hopefully) propagate again.
If i recall dandelions are asexual and judging from their domination of my lawn I would say they are successful.
I wonder if there isn't parallel lessons to learn here about biological diversity. The reason for the rapid and quick spread was due to the proliferation (if not standardization) of Outlook. If other e-mail clients existed in larger numbers in the population they would have represented a resistance to the spread.
In animal populations that are endangered and then make a recovery the diversity of the DNA makeup of each indivual is low since they all closely related. As such they are very susceptable to a single illness wiping them out.
So to those companies and organizations who strive to standardized (typically on MS products) beware of the other edge of the sword.
Java Servlet API provides methods to access all the information about the server, session and request, there is no need to parse text such as the query string or form data. java.lang.String covers 90% of all your text processing needs, the rest 10% can be achieved by using it in loops, which is more efficient at run-time than any generic regular expression handling anyway.
Your reference used the above quote. Where in the !#%* did they pull out the 90/10 number. Anyone writing web enabled apps in Perl never parses the query string, they let CGI.pm do that for them. Reg expression are hugely useful in general purpose programming and if you ever start using them there is no going back. A single reg expression often eliminates the need for dozens of lines of code.
Perl also include simple to use string functions such as split, join, grep. Sure there are probably Java modules for these things, but with Perl is right there at your finger tips.
This is why PHP is o.k. for small sites but does not scale well (Same arguement against ASP, BTW)
I believe that partitioning the code from the presentation (HTML) provides several significant advantages and gives flexibility.
I have used Perl together with the use of HTML templates with great successs. Templates allows one code source to serve different sites each with a different set of templates and consequently a different look and feel. Presentation change can be made with effecting the code and simplifies configuration management. In fact, the templates and code can be managed as seperately.
When starting a new project I hammer out the html screens, change the replaceable parameters with variables, build the code that retrieves the data either from a database and/or user input, develop any special business logic and you close to being done.
I will agree for new users PHP (or ASP) is faster to comprehend a then learning a scripting language such as Perl.
Linux... Of course, since a BSOD at 600 ft could ruin your day
I am part of a team that is operating an Apache Linux based webserver at 600 feet. The vehicle is unmanned and thats why reliability is paramount. Topside Communication is via a fiber optic cable.
The Linux box is host to a data acquisition system that acquires vehicle health data and provides a human interface to control power. A Perl based application communicates to data acquisition modules (check www.Opto22.com) using a firewire driver rewritten from C++ to Perl.
The operator interface is CGI/Perl and if a condition alarms occurs and is not acknowledged the application sends out e-mails alerts. The operator can view historical data which is plotted with Gnuplot which I can do at home in my underware.
This is article is obviously troll material. It design to generate heat (and clicks). There is no substance.
Its starting to become almost a cliche' for struggling tech authors to generate interest by attacking Open Source (Mr. Metcalf comes to mind). Ignore them and get back to work on something usefull.
I am sorry, but every time there is mere mention of Perl someone has to post "Hey, what about Python". Are Python advocates so Perl envy that they cannot contain themselves. Several days ago there was a Python post (under the camel icon, mind you) and you did not see every third post saying "Perl can do that" or "Perl is has bla bla bla".
Python is a fine language and I hope it has a long life and gains market share, but a topic on Perl is not a negative on Python.
I remember reading a book by Amory Lovins concerning soft energy. He is a great author on this subject. His contention was that in the case of nuclear power that when the full scope cost of waste elimination and health effects are calculated in the cost of nuclear derived power was vastly greater then all other forms of power generation.
On the issue of fossil fuels, there is only a 50 to 100 years of reserves left at present levels of consumption.
Who the fsck'ing do we think we are that we, the present generation, should have the right and privilege of consuming the vast reserves in an instant of human history ? What about future generations. I am disgusted with the current outrage that as accompanied the recent rise of fuel costs. Are people really that short sighted that they somehow believe that a buck-a-gallon is birthright ! Our great grand children will look back and think how stupid, myopic and selfish we were.
I believe there should be a 20% to 30% tax on all fossil fuels with that revenue being spent on research and implementation of renewable energy sources (wind, solar, extraterrestial solar, waste-to-energy, geothermal) in addition to conservation measures (insulation, better designs, improveed transmission and storage methods)
Exactly... I work for a gov't lab and we have been trying to get a contractor that works for us to port some code over to a more open platform and environment. They scoff at this concept in meetings saying "We advise against depending on shareware for mission critical apps".
They recommond that we use "Corporate quality" and "supported" software.
Ha ha ha... Thats when I laugh. We need to port our 40k lines of code because Openlook, xview, tooltalk is no longer support by the manufacture!
The times are a changin. One of the reasons to use opensource software is support will be available in terms of a variety of internet sources and for popular projects there are always large numbers of consultants around that can be contracted with and the software is not going to get axed for business reasons and at least you have the code.
I think it's time that people took a break from the rat race and pressures of society, in order to concentrate on the important things in life.
Like what... shooting cats ?!
I do not think that rising violent crime has anything to do with the fact that kids don't get the opportunity to cause pain in creatures when feeling frustrated. sheeesh.
Hey I won't mark you post "flamebait" or "troll" just poorly thought out.
She is profiting off of horny lonely men, and will not give out any refunds(a drunk friend of mine signed up for jennicam, and refused to give him a refund).
Don't get mad get even. Have your druken freind do the same thing the Cookie lady did and publish the password right here on/.:)
This "geek" elitist's bullshit is getting old. I enjoy reading slashdot (at a >=1 threshold mind you) for the intellectual insight of posters, however the Slashdot team along with the Mr. Katz and others are continuously trying to present this "we are different we are superior" crap for too long.
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brainless Tom Christiansen
You can call Tom alot of things and I would probably agree with you but Brainless is not one of them...
used to write toy scripts does not mean that it's useful for anything interesting.
Ah you posting to one. Say what you like about/. but when you do point me to the equivalent written in any other environment.
The browswer is the thing. I want a browser and nothing else. Mail, News, HTML builders bla. They are just taking up resources.
Focus and dominate.
I suppose this is AOL's influence who wants to brand everything and want newbees to think that AOL is the internet or at make them think that AOL internet is better than the other internet.
Slashdot Mirror
O.K. its race to get the first server to run decomposing Pig manure. This kinda stuff can get out of hand . . .
Why not propose an alternative "Web Based Info System" based on Perl/PHP, Apache, MySQL, Linux. Demonstrate the cost savings and rapid development.
Do have a spec on the Information System their are looking to build? I do development work for a large Ag Bank and the Navy. Recently my company has developed several Information system such as:
Online Memo Logs including attachment uploading and dynamic conversion of to pdf formats, e-mail announcements, access scoping.
FAQ and Helpdesk managers. Let helpdesk personell help themselves.
Image archive w/ image resizing, quality adjustment and batch file upload.
Operational and Maintenance logs. Multi-user input with file upload and time tracking and acount tracking.
etc.
We would be happy to give you code if think you could get a piece of the work.
"the 1970s-era procedural scripting languages"
O ya and don't use that 50's technology operatoring systems.
Of course your either a pompous ass or a troll or both.
Heres How...
1. Write book ( Something catchy and trendy ie. "Whats good for MS is good for America" ).
2. Build a website to promote your book.
3. Scan for BN and Amazon cookies from those who visit your site.
4. Build a LWP Perl script and batch order copies of your book to those fools who visit your site with cookies enabled.
5. Collect your royalties and move offshore.
Well if you have a packet sniffer on a lan or wan cookies would be one of the least significant data items you can receive (such as clear text passwords, cc numbers or whatever is being transmitted in the domain you have access to). Right ? or am i missing your point.
As was pointed out a lot of sites use cookie to maintain session. Therefore if I can steal the session ID for lets say Amazon I could send you $20000 dollars of books as a joke. That is not funny.
This hole depreciates the value of "Netscape" cookies which is a nice way to maintain session with a connectionless protocol.
I thought genes were selfish. Sex was not "created" to increase genetic diversity, although that may be a side effect. Sex is merely a way for your selfish genes to find there way into another survival machine and (hopefully) propagate again.
If i recall dandelions are asexual and judging from their domination of my lawn I would say they are successful.
"data darwinism" I like that term.
I wonder if there isn't parallel lessons to learn here about biological diversity. The reason for the rapid and quick spread was due to the proliferation (if not standardization) of Outlook. If other e-mail clients existed in larger numbers in the population they would have represented a resistance to the spread.
In animal populations that are endangered and then make a recovery the diversity of the DNA makeup of each indivual is low since they all closely related. As such they are very susceptable to a single illness wiping them out.
So to those companies and organizations who strive to standardized (typically on MS products) beware of the other edge of the sword.
Java Servlet API provides methods to access all the information about the server, session and request, there is no need to parse text such as the query string or form data. java.lang.String covers 90% of all your text processing needs, the rest 10% can be achieved by using it in loops, which is more efficient at run-time than any generic regular expression handling anyway.
Your reference used the above quote. Where in the !#%* did they pull out the 90/10 number. Anyone writing web enabled apps in Perl never parses the query string, they let CGI.pm do that for them. Reg expression are hugely useful in general purpose programming and if you ever start using them there is no going back. A single reg expression often eliminates the need for dozens of lines of code.
Perl also include simple to use string functions such as split, join, grep. Sure there are probably Java modules for these things, but with Perl is right there at your finger tips.
It easily integrates directly into your HTML code
This is why PHP is o.k. for small sites but does not scale well (Same arguement against ASP, BTW)
I believe that partitioning the code from the presentation (HTML) provides several significant advantages and gives flexibility.
I have used Perl together with the use of HTML templates with great successs. Templates allows one code source to serve different sites each with a different set of templates and consequently a different look and feel. Presentation change can be made with effecting the code and simplifies configuration management. In fact, the templates and code can be managed as seperately.
When starting a new project I hammer out the html screens, change the replaceable parameters with variables, build the code that retrieves the data either from a database and/or user input, develop any special business logic and you close to being done.
I will agree for new users PHP (or ASP) is faster to comprehend a then learning a scripting language such as Perl.
Linux... Of course, since a BSOD at 600 ft could ruin your day
I am part of a team that is operating an Apache Linux based webserver at 600 feet. The vehicle is unmanned and thats why reliability is paramount. Topside Communication is via a fiber optic cable.
The Linux box is host to a data acquisition system that acquires vehicle health data and provides a human interface to control power. A Perl based application communicates to data acquisition modules (check www.Opto22.com) using a firewire driver rewritten from C++ to Perl.
The operator interface is CGI/Perl and if a condition alarms occurs and is not acknowledged the application sends out e-mails alerts. The operator can view historical data which is plotted with Gnuplot which I can do at home in my underware.
The entire system is 100% Open Source software.
This is article is obviously troll material. It design to generate heat (and clicks). There is no substance.
Its starting to become almost a cliche' for struggling tech authors to generate interest by attacking Open Source (Mr. Metcalf comes to mind). Ignore them and get back to work on something usefull.
I am sorry, but every time there is mere mention of Perl someone has to post "Hey, what about Python". Are Python advocates so Perl envy that they cannot contain themselves. Several days ago there was a Python post (under the camel icon, mind you) and you did not see every third post saying "Perl can do that" or "Perl is has bla bla bla".
Python is a fine language and I hope it has a long life and gains market share, but a topic on Perl is not a negative on Python.
If your troll I bit.
I remember reading a book by Amory Lovins concerning soft energy. He is a great author on this subject. His contention was that in the case of nuclear power that when the full scope cost of waste elimination and health effects are calculated in the cost of nuclear derived power was vastly greater then all other forms of power generation.
On the issue of fossil fuels, there is only a 50 to 100 years of reserves left at present levels of consumption.
Who the fsck'ing do we think we are that we, the present generation, should have the right and privilege of consuming the vast reserves in an instant of human history ? What about future generations. I am disgusted with the current outrage that as accompanied the recent rise of fuel costs. Are people really that short sighted that they somehow believe that a buck-a-gallon is birthright ! Our great grand children will look back and think how stupid, myopic and selfish we were.
I believe there should be a 20% to 30% tax on all fossil fuels with that revenue being spent on research and implementation of renewable energy sources (wind, solar, extraterrestial solar, waste-to-energy, geothermal) in addition to conservation measures (insulation, better designs, improveed transmission and storage methods)
If the industry-at-large was this anal s/w would cost 10 to 100 times. Notice in the article there was no mention on $ / LOC.
Baloney
:)
We employ Linux, Apache, Perl, Gnuplot, Samba, etc. in our work everyday.
Now about the part of shredding stuff before being approved - we do do that
Exactly... I work for a gov't lab and we have been trying to get a contractor that works for us to port some code over to a more open platform and environment. They scoff at this concept in meetings saying "We advise against depending on shareware for mission critical apps".
... Thats when I laugh. We need to port our 40k lines of code because Openlook, xview, tooltalk is no longer support by the manufacture!
They recommond that we use "Corporate quality" and "supported" software.
Ha ha ha
The times are a changin. One of the reasons to use opensource software is support will be available in terms of a variety of internet sources and for popular projects there are always large numbers of consultants around that can be contracted with and the software is not going to get axed for business reasons and at least you have the code.
I think it's time that people took a break from the rat race and pressures of society, in order to concentrate on the important things in life.
Like what... shooting cats ?!
I do not think that rising violent crime has anything to do with the fact that kids don't get the opportunity to cause pain in creatures when feeling frustrated. sheeesh.
Hey I won't mark you post "flamebait" or "troll" just poorly thought out.
She is profiting off of horny lonely men, and will not give out any refunds(a drunk friend of mine signed up for jennicam, and refused to give him a refund).
/. :)
Don't get mad get even. Have your druken freind do the same thing the Cookie lady did and publish the password right here on
You mean Perl not pearl ? right...
This "geek" elitist's bullshit is getting old. I enjoy reading slashdot (at a >=1 threshold mind you) for the intellectual insight of posters, however the Slashdot team along with the Mr. Katz and others are continuously trying to present this "we are different we are superior" crap for too long.
brainless Tom Christiansen
/. but when you do point me to the equivalent written in any other environment.
You can call Tom alot of things and I would probably agree with you but Brainless is not one of them...
used to write toy scripts does not mean that it's useful for anything interesting.
Ah you posting to one. Say what you like about
Variable intrepolation for string cat's
$str = "Thank you $name you ordered $num items";
Symbolic references
$var = "temperature";
$$var = 45 ;
Eval with timer
$SIG{ALRM} = \&SomeFunction();
eval {
alarm(5);
# Insert Code that may block
# or go into an uncontrolled loop.
$input = STDIN ;
}
Of course all the reusable code on CPAN is reason enough...
The browswer is the thing. I want a browser and nothing else. Mail, News, HTML builders bla. They are just taking up resources.
Focus and dominate.
I suppose this is AOL's influence who wants to brand everything and want newbees to think that AOL is the internet or at make them think that AOL internet is better than the other internet.
Yes, Control we have entered the new coordinates but a dialog is asking me if I want to "restart" for the new settings to take effect...