Exactly. Also the engine in most hybrids are of a lot lower power than would be in a conventional vehicle. That's because the impression of power comes from acceleration ability (mostly from start). On a hybrid during acceleration the gas and electric are working together, and the electric has loads of low end torque.
I have a hybrid escape, and before that I had the V6 version. The hybrid has maybe half the horsepower of the V6 but because of the electric assist, the apparent power seems identical (sometimes even better for the hybrid). That and I average over 40mpg on the hybrid for an SUV.
Sure electrics get less range the faster you go, jsut like a gasoline engine. But why are you assuming that the range drops off so dramatically at highway speeds?
You brought up the law of thermodynamics, then used it to refute the original poster who stated that you would get better mileage in the city rather than highway. I agreed with the poster and gave an example why he was correct.
I would say it is your incorrect restriction of the discussion to the laws of thermodynamics to prove your point that is in error, not my comparison.
and that when I'm out of power I can stop and have full power again (either through rapid charging or a battery swap) within 15 minutes or less
Personally, I'm looking forward to the time when I go to my electric car after work that has been parked in the parking lot all day, and the battery is fully charged for free from the solar panels. THAT is what the oil companies are really afraid of.
And has anyone investigated the environmental impact of these lithium or lead-acid buggies when they're stacking up in junk yards 20 years from now?
How about the environmental impact of current combustion based cars with lead acid batteries, toxic coolant fluids, toxic oil, and toxic gasoline dripping all over the roads?
One will never get as much range in city driving than in highway driving.
Definitely not true with hybrids. Reason is that at highway speeds the gasoline engine is always on, whereas if I keep it under 60km/h, the electric kick in which is more efficient.
It sounds to me like you have at least 3 computers in your house. The one that controls the thermostat, the one that controls the driveway lights and the PVR.
Well yes they are all computers, just nothing I have to setup and maintain. My car has several computers in it too but I dont count those either.
Apparently you see at least one need to have those networked...
Again, nothing I had to setup, configure or worry about in any way.
what's the point of a GPS timer anyway? i mean photoelectric sensors have been around for decades and cost like $2
I do have those on other lights. For the front lights with this switch I can do thinks like 'on at sunset, off at midnight, and on at 5am off at sunrise'. Can't do that with just a photoelectic.
Also I misspoke- its not a GPS, I just enter lat and long, set the date and it figures out the actual sunrise and sunset.
The reason that the field hasn't developed or matured is that the approach being taken for most products is wrong.
Actually, the reason that the field hasn't developed or matured is that the approach is pointless.
Right now, without having any self configured computer in my house:
- my front and driveway lights turn on and off at dusk/dawn, automatically adjusting for sunrise and sunset (off the shelf gps timer)
- my thermostat adjusts the heat and A/C appropriately according to a schedule I programmed in. I can access this from the web if needed to check usage and adjust the temperature and schedule as I see fit (smart thermostat for TOD power use)
- my hi-def PVR records the shows I want whenever they happen to be on, even if they shift times. I can record at least three (haven't tried more) hi-def signals simultaneously (PVR that came with my cable)
I have no reason to do more than the above. I see no reason to have these networked. I see no reason or benefit to me spending money and time to try and duplicate what is already easily possible using inexpensive off the shelf components from Home Depot. I see no point in having a server running in my house 24/7 wasting power.
Our electricity rate is subsidized by the government.
Please back this up - I do not believe this is true. The only thing that is currently subsidized to my knowledge are tax incentives to create solar and wind farms. But the government is not artrificially reducing our poower rates. They are low due to an abundance of hydro-electric and nuclear.
Not sure where he lives, but he's getting ripped off on his power rates. I live in Ontario which is mostly nuclear. I pay 5.6c / kWh base then jumps to 6.5 c after a certain amount of usage (this will change when time of day rates kick in). But at an average of 6c / kWh, it only costs about $52 for me to run 100W year round.
So here, to cut that to 30W would only save $37 per year. Doesn't make any sense to spend $300 to save $37.
I'm not in telecommunications, and I don't share your attitude thank you very much.
Its a competition, not a government entity. The CRTC ruling doesn't change anything except make public the rules. If it's public, people will choose the supplier with more favourable rules, so eventually the free market will change things.
"Their pipes" were built with government money.
As someone who pays taxes.. I expect the people who run the network I paid for to do so in a way that best serves me..
I hate that sense of entitlement attitude. Me me me and fuck everyone else.
> Having a mechanical backup for a loss of power is essential.
to all the joystick twiddlers -- this cannot be emphasized enough!!
I do fault tolerant real time systems. You do not need a mechanical backup (although it helps). But you do have to analyse your system very carefully if you don't to ensure it is safe.
Fairly certain every car made in the last 15 years has a vacuum reservoir (every car I have ever owned) that should give at least one stab at the brakes with boost (then manual.)
Yes, thats what I said - I quickly lost steering and brakes *as I used them*. To clarify, the more I used them, the more 'manual' it became.
That was an older ('80s) truck though. Now I have a hybrid and if I ever did run out of gas, I could continue for quite a ways on battery alone.
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Exactly. Also the engine in most hybrids are of a lot lower power than would be in a conventional vehicle. That's because the impression of power comes from acceleration ability (mostly from start). On a hybrid during acceleration the gas and electric are working together, and the electric has loads of low end torque.
I have a hybrid escape, and before that I had the V6 version. The hybrid has maybe half the horsepower of the V6 but because of the electric assist, the apparent power seems identical (sometimes even better for the hybrid). That and I average over 40mpg on the hybrid for an SUV.
Are you saying parasitic drag cuts the range of an electric in half at highway speeds but only has a slight impact on cars with combustion engines?
Get a grip.
Sure electrics get less range the faster you go, jsut like a gasoline engine. But why are you assuming that the range drops off so dramatically at highway speeds?
You brought up the law of thermodynamics, then used it to refute the original poster who stated that you would get better mileage in the city rather than highway. I agreed with the poster and gave an example why he was correct.
I would say it is your incorrect restriction of the discussion to the laws of thermodynamics to prove your point that is in error, not my comparison.
I don't know about you but when I travel long distances on the highway I expect a 500 km trip to take about 4.5 hours, not 9 hours.
Where did speed come into this? The Tesla has a max speed of 200km/h - more than enough for any sane road trip.
and that when I'm out of power I can stop and have full power again (either through rapid charging or a battery swap) within 15 minutes or less
Personally, I'm looking forward to the time when I go to my electric car after work that has been parked in the parking lot all day, and the battery is fully charged for free from the solar panels. THAT is what the oil companies are really afraid of.
And has anyone investigated the environmental impact of these lithium or lead-acid buggies when they're stacking up in junk yards 20 years from now?
How about the environmental impact of current combustion based cars with lead acid batteries, toxic coolant fluids, toxic oil, and toxic gasoline dripping all over the roads?
One will never get as much range in city driving than in highway driving.
Definitely not true with hybrids. Reason is that at highway speeds the gasoline engine is always on, whereas if I keep it under 60km/h, the electric kick in which is more efficient.
Ok, in worst case conditions, it would be 6.5c / kWh
The 'subsidies' in the article are not from cost overruns - they are purely tax rebates.
Those aren't real subsidies. If the government decided to tax you less would you then consider this a government subsidy?
Good point, however I dont believe the original topic was referring to ultra high end house networks.
And my configuration isn't x-10 based.
It sounds to me like you have at least 3 computers in your house. The one that controls the thermostat, the one that controls the driveway lights and the PVR.
Well yes they are all computers, just nothing I have to setup and maintain. My car has several computers in it too but I dont count those either.
Apparently you see at least one need to have those networked...
Again, nothing I had to setup, configure or worry about in any way.
what's the point of a GPS timer anyway? i mean photoelectric sensors have been around for decades and cost like $2
I do have those on other lights. For the front lights with this switch I can do thinks like 'on at sunset, off at midnight, and on at 5am off at sunrise'. Can't do that with just a photoelectic.
Also I misspoke- its not a GPS, I just enter lat and long, set the date and it figures out the actual sunrise and sunset.
The reason that the field hasn't developed or matured is that the approach being taken for most products is wrong.
Actually, the reason that the field hasn't developed or matured is that the approach is pointless.
Right now, without having any self configured computer in my house:
- my front and driveway lights turn on and off at dusk/dawn, automatically adjusting for sunrise and sunset (off the shelf gps timer)
- my thermostat adjusts the heat and A/C appropriately according to a schedule I programmed in. I can access this from the web if needed to check usage and adjust the temperature and schedule as I see fit (smart thermostat for TOD power use)
- my hi-def PVR records the shows I want whenever they happen to be on, even if they shift times. I can record at least three (haven't tried more) hi-def signals simultaneously (PVR that came with my cable)
I have no reason to do more than the above. I see no reason to have these networked. I see no reason or benefit to me spending money and time to try and duplicate what is already easily possible using inexpensive off the shelf components from Home Depot. I see no point in having a server running in my house 24/7 wasting power.
Our electricity rate is subsidized by the government.
Please back this up - I do not believe this is true. The only thing that is currently subsidized to my knowledge are tax incentives to create solar and wind farms. But the government is not artrificially reducing our poower rates. They are low due to an abundance of hydro-electric and nuclear.
Fees on top of the base price are non-usage based. Reduction in usage by the amounts we are talking about will not affect these extra costs.
Not sure where he lives, but he's getting ripped off on his power rates. I live in Ontario which is mostly nuclear. I pay 5.6c / kWh base then jumps to 6.5 c after a certain amount of usage (this will change when time of day rates kick in). But at an average of 6c / kWh, it only costs about $52 for me to run 100W year round.
So here, to cut that to 30W would only save $37 per year. Doesn't make any sense to spend $300 to save $37.
I LISTED HYBRIDS!!!! Fuck.
And I don't see any of the twenty most sold cars in Europe in this list.
Are any of the twenty most sold cars in Europe hybrids?
I'm not in telecommunications, and I don't share your attitude thank you very much.
Its a competition, not a government entity. The CRTC ruling doesn't change anything except make public the rules. If it's public, people will choose the supplier with more favourable rules, so eventually the free market will change things.
Your case only happens if you're in overdrive, which is likely in an automatic transmission.
Where do you people get these ideas? I was doing 5-10 mph, max.
"Their pipes" were built with government money. As someone who pays taxes.. I expect the people who run the network I paid for to do so in a way that best serves me..
I hate that sense of entitlement attitude. Me me me and fuck everyone else.
> Having a mechanical backup for a loss of power is essential.
to all the joystick twiddlers -- this cannot be emphasized enough!!
I do fault tolerant real time systems. You do not need a mechanical backup (although it helps). But you do have to analyse your system very carefully if you don't to ensure it is safe.
Fairly certain every car made in the last 15 years has a vacuum reservoir (every car I have ever owned) that should give at least one stab at the brakes with boost (then manual.)
Yes, thats what I said - I quickly lost steering and brakes *as I used them*. To clarify, the more I used them, the more 'manual' it became.
That was an older ('80s) truck though. Now I have a hybrid and if I ever did run out of gas, I could continue for quite a ways on battery alone.
Most? I believe that is limited to Toyota Hybrids, and maybe a few others. Hardly most.
Of course, never let your beliefs interfere with facts. Here are the major 2009 models:
Ford Fusion Hybrid - CVT
Ford Escape Hybrid - CVT
Medrcury Milan - CVT available
Honda Insight - CVT
Toyota Prius - CVT
Lexus 450h, 250h - CVT
Saturn Vue Greenline - CVT available
So yes, 'most' is correct.