How do people justify a claim to believe that Jesus was a prophet, and not accept His statements about Him being the fulfillment of prophesy, and who His Father is?
At no point did Jesus actually claim to be the Messiah. He let other people come to that conclusion, based on their belief.
Well after the 'fall' of Rome, the Christians pretty much destroyed the place including a lot of the knowledge of the Romans so who knows what really happened.
Matthew, Mark, Luke ad John were apostles so yes they were eyewitnesses to the later events of Christ. No they were not a eyewitness of the birth of Christ - don't be an idiot. Nothing in the writings claim to be such.
Good point, but I dont know of any. So with lack of evidence to the contrary , I'll believe the eyewitness accounts of four separate people as written in the new Testament. But I always keep an open mind and I don't always take what's written as absolute truth.
There isn't a single bit of Roman history stating that Jesus was the "King of the Jews."
Mark 15 (New International Version)
9"Do you want me to release to you the king of the Jews?" asked Pilate, 10knowing it was out of envy that the chief priests had handed Jesus over to him. 11But the chief priests stirred up the crowd to have Pilate release Barabbas instead.
12"What shall I do, then, with the one you call the king of the Jews?" Pilate asked them.
13"Crucify him!" they shouted.
25It was the third hour when they crucified him. 26The written notice of the charge against him read: THE KING OF THE JEWS
32Let this Christ,[b] this King of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe."
The funny thing about this is that those roots are actually the same. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all trace back to Abraham/Ibrahim
One of the best courses I ever took (in public school) was Religion. It was mandatory and instead of teaching us one religion, it taught us the origins of all of the modern religions in a historical context.
It also taught us what the different beliefs of these religions were and we had guest lecturers (priests, rabbis, etc) come in and we could ask them questions.
What I got out of it was an understanding that all religions are basically the same - just variations on a theme. If everyone was taught a course such as this I think there would be a lot less fear and prejudice in the world.
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The Christian Christ is the son of God and divine. The Jewish Messiah is just a mortal man and not divine
But Christ died and was therefore mortal. And the Romans labeled him "King of the Jews" which implies may Jews believed him to be the messiah.
Now Jewish history is important to Christianity, but labeling it as christian roots is a bit like labeling British history as American roots (which while is important to America there are many more influences then just the British).
Before the war of Independence America was under British rule and everyone here were British subjects. So yes America has it's roots in British history.
No, Mohammed didn't create the religion, he's just the last prophet.
Similarly, Jesus didn't really create Christianity, he was Jewish. The Jews that became Christians decided that Jesus was the son of God as foretold in the old Testament, while the rest of the Jews decided that he was just another prophet and the true son of God hadn't come yet.
Christianity traces its roots to before Christ, just as Islam traces its roots to a time before Mohammed.
Isn't this how it is already? I thought you were liable if someone took drugs in your place.
Can't comment on other countries but in Canada you are not liable if someone else takes drugs in your house that you did not supply nor had any other involvement in.
You are liable however if you knowingly let an impaired person drive away from your house and you didn't take reasonable steps to stop them.
I get my information from banking centers that post dollar exchange rates, not any political site. Go check it out for yourself. the U.S. dollar has tanked under Bush. He will go down in history as a moron.
At least we agree that the RIM settlement was bad, and I hope that you have learned the truth about some of your other misunderstandings in our discussion.
I think we can blame Clinton for a lot of things that happened on his watch, such as a couple of Al Qaeda attacks and 90% of the preparations for 9/11
Again with the misdirected blame. Al Qaeda can be directly blamed on the policies of Ronald Reagan who armed these religious crackpots as a method of fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan without actually involving US troops. He called the Soviets an evil empire and claimed the mujahadeen were a repressed religious group that needed military help. Goos call there.
We can blame him for getting up there on national TV and lying through his teeth about the Monica Lewinsky affair
Who cares! Nothing Clinton did was illegal, he just failed to keep his pecker in his pocket. It's not like be lied to start an illegal war (Bush) or Nixon who was involved in numerous instances of illegal activity including bribery, blackmail, and obstruction of justice
Bush will go down in history as a great promoter of democracy in the world
Give me a break. Bush is viewed across the world as a warmonger. Someone who should have been jailed for the murder of thousands of innocent lives because of his actions.
That whole mess was also created by the Republicans. First it was Reagan who got caught illegally selling arms to Iran, (yet was also not impeached, and everyone else got off scott free because Bush Sr gave them all pardons when he got into office). When someone figured out that selling arms to a crackpot fundamentalist Islamic state was probably not a good idea, then Bush Sr started selling arms to Iraq - Irans long time rival, and training them how to use them. Yes Iraq had WMDs because the U.S. sold them to them.
As for the appointing of liberal and anti-business judges, perhaps I called it wrong on Judge Spencer but that doesn't alter the general trend
Republican presidents appointed seven of the nine judges currently serving on the supreme court. Wheres the trend? Again misdirected blame towards the democrats when you should be blaming republicans.
the dot com crash of 2001 swung the U.S. into debt, not anything that Bush did. His tax cuts amounted to a few hundred billion dollars that helped bring about a strong economic recovery.
In four years Bush has doubled the debt by adding one Trillion dollars to it and is on record for asking for three of the four largest debt increases in history (Bush Sr. has the forth). The Iraq war is costing 250 Billion and counting. Your dollar is in the toilet compared to other countries currency, losing 30% of its value against the Euro and similar losses elsewhere - you call that an economic recovery?
Another anti-business Clinton appointee throwing his weight around, it looks like.
Why is it that Republicans continually spout lies and bullshit when something happens that they don't like and turn the story around to blame the Democrats for it? What is it that you're always angry and pissed off?
Without even bothering to check the facts you instantly blame Clinton, hoping that if you say it with enough conviction people will blindly believe it.
It is blind moronic sheep like yourselves that voted in this insane government, and believe their made up reasons for starting a war. With a straight face you say that Republicans are for small government and spending cuts while Democrats are for big government and spending increases when the facts show the complete opposite!
I'm sick and tired of this propagandist bullshit spewed by Republicans. Republicans need to collectively get their heads out of their asses before they suffocate and take the rest of us with them.
As a shareholder I'm pissed off they settled. I can't believe they gave in to a bunch of scum sucking extortionist lawyers. It would have been cheaper and more satisfying to have the lawyers all killed instead of paying them what they did.
Ah, you were taking shortcuts:-) I remember my grandmother and mother making it when I was small. Recipe was easy as you say with simple ingredients. However to make enough for the family for the week a huge batch was made in the laundry tub. Mixing the ingredients, folding it down, then beating it flat as it rose took well over an hour. Then it had to partially rise in a warm room for an hour or two, then had to be beaten back down again (the two risings was key). This dough was then separated into loaves for the oven. Since there were too many loaves to fit in at once, an assembly line of sorts was made of loaves prepped in pans, loaves baking and loaves cooling. Now that took all day.
Have you ever tried making bread from scratch the old fashioned way? It was an all day affair. So was laundry and getting the dust out of the house. Machines took over these jobs or vastly reduced the time and effort to do them.
This mechanization has over the last hundred years helped cause a workplace revolution as millions of women now had enough free time to enter the workforce.
These millions of people looking for work didn't cause the destruction of society, but merely caused new types of jobs to be created to accomodate them.
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Well after the 'fall' of Rome, the Christians pretty much destroyed the place including a lot of the knowledge of the Romans so who knows what really happened.
Matthew, Mark, Luke ad John were apostles so yes they were eyewitnesses to the later events of Christ. No they were not a eyewitness of the birth of Christ - don't be an idiot. Nothing in the writings claim to be such.
Good point, but I dont know of any. So with lack of evidence to the contrary , I'll believe the eyewitness accounts of four separate people as written in the new Testament. But I always keep an open mind and I don't always take what's written as absolute truth.
Mark 15 (New International Version)
9"Do you want me to release to you the king of the Jews?" asked Pilate, 10knowing it was out of envy that the chief priests had handed Jesus over to him. 11But the chief priests stirred up the crowd to have Pilate release Barabbas instead.
12"What shall I do, then, with the one you call the king of the Jews?" Pilate asked them.
13"Crucify him!" they shouted.
25It was the third hour when they crucified him. 26The written notice of the charge against him read: THE KING OF THE JEWS
32Let this Christ,[b] this King of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe."
It can be simultaneously mocking and factual.
One of the best courses I ever took (in public school) was Religion. It was mandatory and instead of teaching us one religion, it taught us the origins of all of the modern religions in a historical context.
It also taught us what the different beliefs of these religions were and we had guest lecturers (priests, rabbis, etc) come in and we could ask them questions.
What I got out of it was an understanding that all religions are basically the same - just variations on a theme. If everyone was taught a course such as this I think there would be a lot less fear and prejudice in the world.
No, Mohammed didn't create the religion, he's just the last prophet.
Similarly, Jesus didn't really create Christianity, he was Jewish. The Jews that became Christians decided that Jesus was the son of God as foretold in the old Testament, while the rest of the Jews decided that he was just another prophet and the true son of God hadn't come yet.
Christianity traces its roots to before Christ, just as Islam traces its roots to a time before Mohammed.
Can't comment on other countries but in Canada you are not liable if someone else takes drugs in your house that you did not supply nor had any other involvement in.
You are liable however if you knowingly let an impaired person drive away from your house and you didn't take reasonable steps to stop them.
I suggest we plant an RFID tag into her head just to see if she bursts into flames as she thinks she will.
It she doesn't then she can shut the hell up. If she does burst into flame, well same thing. Either way everybody wins.
If that happened then it would have been unjustly done as the patents of NTP are all invalid.
I get my information from banking centers that post dollar exchange rates, not any political site. Go check it out for yourself. the U.S. dollar has tanked under Bush. He will go down in history as a moron.
At least we agree that the RIM settlement was bad, and I hope that you have learned the truth about some of your other misunderstandings in our discussion.
Give me a break. Bush is viewed across the world as a warmonger. Someone who should have been jailed for the murder of thousands of innocent lives because of his actions.
That whole mess was also created by the Republicans. First it was Reagan who got caught illegally selling arms to Iran, (yet was also not impeached, and everyone else got off scott free because Bush Sr gave them all pardons when he got into office). When someone figured out that selling arms to a crackpot fundamentalist Islamic state was probably not a good idea, then Bush Sr started selling arms to Iraq - Irans long time rival, and training them how to use them. Yes Iraq had WMDs because the U.S. sold them to them.
Republican presidents appointed seven of the nine judges currently serving on the supreme court. Wheres the trend? Again misdirected blame towards the democrats when you should be blaming republicans. In four years Bush has doubled the debt by adding one Trillion dollars to it and is on record for asking for three of the four largest debt increases in history (Bush Sr. has the forth). The Iraq war is costing 250 Billion and counting. Your dollar is in the toilet compared to other countries currency, losing 30% of its value against the Euro and similar losses elsewhere - you call that an economic recovery?Why is it that Republicans continually spout lies and bullshit when something happens that they don't like and turn the story around to blame the Democrats for it? What is it that you're always angry and pissed off?
Without even bothering to check the facts you instantly blame Clinton, hoping that if you say it with enough conviction people will blindly believe it.
It is blind moronic sheep like yourselves that voted in this insane government, and believe their made up reasons for starting a war. With a straight face you say that Republicans are for small government and spending cuts while Democrats are for big government and spending increases when the facts show the complete opposite!
I'm sick and tired of this propagandist bullshit spewed by Republicans. Republicans need to collectively get their heads out of their asses before they suffocate and take the rest of us with them.
As a shareholder I'm pissed off they settled. I can't believe they gave in to a bunch of scum sucking extortionist lawyers. It would have been cheaper and more satisfying to have the lawyers all killed instead of paying them what they did.
But I agree, probably not the best example.
You've obviously never made bread.
Duh, its already happening.
Have you ever tried making bread from scratch the old fashioned way? It was an all day affair. So was laundry and getting the dust out of the house. Machines took over these jobs or vastly reduced the time and effort to do them.
This mechanization has over the last hundred years helped cause a workplace revolution as millions of women now had enough free time to enter the workforce.
These millions of people looking for work didn't cause the destruction of society, but merely caused new types of jobs to be created to accomodate them.
America doesn't do business with itself? Do you have any idea what the U.S. is doing in Guantanamo Bay?