Ok so to sum this up quickly. Countries with civil/religion-based wars, going for 5 years or more: Yugoslavia, Ireland, Spain (Basks), Iraq, Afghanistan. Country where there was no war, perhaps only a short 3-month civil unrest with casualties under 200: Ukraine. No deaths or civil unrest in Crimea. And look, Russian peacekeepers are still claiming their right to protect something from somebody.
Yeah I saw tweets by this "spanish atc working in Kyiv". It is a fabricated lie. UA ATC people are all UA nationals and they don't employ foreigners. This Spanish guy does not exist anywhere beyond fabricated tweets and a livejournal page. More here - http://www.stopfake.org/en/lie...
Internet is indeed full of conflicting accounts, etc. In this particular case, terrorist's tweets were coming from their numerous official accounts, the ones they used for past 3-4 months.
If by "Seppos" you mean "separatists", then I should point out that they and terrorists are the same people, and Russia is their main supporter in man power, arms, money. There's a vast amount of evidence for this, accumulated since early April.
Could be. In any case, operating a BUK system requires quite a bit of training - something like 6 months per army standards. It's not a playstation machine and terrorists aren't geniuses. This hints at a high chance that specialists had to be provided from abroad.
Look, I saw these numerous tweets coming from the accounts used by terrorists themselves. They are still using these accounts, openly and publicly. There's no conspiracy here and no government to trust in order to realize what happened.
I suppose it should be enough to just hint that it was Columbus who brought potato and tomato to Europe from America. Russian propaganda machine relies heavily on half-truths, and since Russians are so susceptible to those, a considerable damage can be done this way. Anything which can hurt Putin these days will do.
It does go both ways, but I argue there's a vast amount of evidence to accuse terrorists of this atrocity. They actually *confessed* doing this. The rest of the evidence is also very, very strong.
So we do have a very, very good sense of the direction to point fingers at.
Ukraine was indeed a part of the USSR and practiced propaganda intensely. This ended 23 years ago. Nowadays, he have numerous, independent news sources, so the situation is much more like what it is in e.g. EU, rather than what it is in Russia where all large TV stations are directly controlled by Kremlin.
I obviously agree that Ukraine is to gain the most from this tragic event, and yet that's the only argument for a horrible accusation of UA army shooting down this plane. One really has to have good argumentation in place in order to suggest or proceed in this direction. There has been no credible evidence for this thus far - nothing from terrorists, nothing from Kreml.
UA army claimed all BUKs were crippled beyond repair, so it is also likely that specialists and materials needed for repair (if it indeed happened) came from Russia
Also, there's a series of intercepted phone calls between terrorists on 16-17th of July, where they discuss BUK system newly arrived from Russia.
Crimea does not have borders with Donbass region, but Russia does. Even if these BUKs were originally from Crimea, they still had to get to Donbass somehow, and the only route would be via Russia. Also, how likely is it for terrorists to have this thing shipped over without knowledge and support of this by Russian government?
In this particular case, there was exactly one terrorist group who claimed they shot down AN-26, a military support plane. Only to find out 30 minutes later it was a Malaysian Air flight. They also claimed 2 planes in 48 hours leading to the incident. They posted numerous pictures of BUK AA system(s) in their possession, in 3 weeks leading to this incident.
Do you or do you not realize that if over 5 independent news sources continually say the same thing, it can only be false if they've conspired to lie?
Donbass region is a home to some 4 million people. Sure they had perhaps 100,000 people supporting these terrorist organizations initially - sometime in April. Has it occurred to you that things changed? A video I just posted to you - right here - http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - is a nice illustration of my point.
Has it ever occurred to you that Russia has never, ever it it's history held a properly organized democratic vote where opposition won? Do you realize that this suggests that Russia is not in the business of Democracy (makes me wonder why I have to argue this)? Are you suggesting that, as someone claiming to understand applied mathematics and psychology, that for the first time in history, Russia organized it's first Democratic, completely free and representative referendums - in Crimea and Donbass?
The only fear I can see is in the eyes of the reporter when he recalls events of being held hostage by terrorists. The women at 11:20, barely 2 days since the end of war on their street, are recalling events of the past 4 weeks - and a look on their faces is just that - recalling events of the past 4 weeks. If you say they show fear, then you sort of have to admit it is directly related to surviving under terrorist rule. A women at 11:40 is upset because she does not understand how she's supposed to live in a half-destroyed house. There's also an older man cleaning broken glass out of a house. He's cautious of the camera people and does not say much. Then at 12:40 there's a 90yo woman making a tour of the remnants of her condo. There's, again, an uncertainty regarding how she's supposed to survive in these conditions, she's thankful for somebody who brought some bread, water and cleaned some of the rubble (for money). Happened *after* terrorists were gone. Where's fear? Do you have a specific offset in the stream, Minute:Second?
"Old man lashing out and instantly getting subdued at Ukrainians soldier" is something you misunderstood entirely. This old men demands for the water etc to be restored as soon as possible, and the soldier asks him to simply wait - they are still busy removing boobytraps, mines, searching for remaining terrorists. Where's the "threat"?
On the nazi thing - so you're basically claiming that a) I feel superior, b) nazis felt superior => I am a nazi. Do you really think logic works this way for the majority of people inhibiting this web site, let alone the planet?
Also, Slovyansk and other cities have been liberated for 2 weeks now. Surely nazi Ukraine army did gruesome things to the locals, and surely there must be evidence for that, available on internet for all to see as well. Can you please find some for us to see?
Let's have another Dr. Cal Lightman-style look at the emotions of civilians, now in the city of Donetsk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
This is an old, insulin-dependent lady with a disabled relative, telling Gubarev (one of the main terrorists's leaders - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...) that they have no more support from the people of Donetsk, and asks him to literally leave the city with all his gunmen. His reply is - "we can't. we've got nowhere to go".
FYI - terrorist-controlled territories do not have Ukrainian TV; they have Russian TV instead. I highly doubt this lady and her friends have facebook or twitter accounts. They have to consult their own sensory organs such as eyesight and hearing in order to get information while being literally on-site. Do you think she's living in the same "information bubble" I allegedly live in?
Okey let's take a closer look at the "sealed propaganda construct" you're claiming I'm living in. My information sources are:
first-hand experience
popular Ukrainian TV channels
large Ukrainian online publications
twitter, facebook posts made by on-site eyewitnesses - everybody these days has a phone with a camera and an access to internet. This is, after all, a country where you can get 100mbit unlimited for roughly 13 USD/month, in any city. Cellular data exchange is also universally accessible.
I personally just came back from a 2-week trip all over the central and western Ukraine, visited 10 regions, stayed in 10 cities.
On-line publications by large Western news companies
On-line publications and videos by Russian news agencies
Now, there are two ways one can go around adding 1 and 1: either do the math yourself and get "2", or one can ask around for a consensus opinion. What if the consensus is "3"? I'd say there's a conspiracy going on (and as you, as a psychiatrist, know very well that it is a prerogative of relatively retarded people to believe in large-scale conspiracies). If most of what I get from my news sources is aligned, except for info coming from Russian channels, do I go for the conspiracy theory (claiming that all my news sources are somehow not independent), or for a simpler explanation that these news sources, except for Russian ones, are sort of trying to tell the "truth" ?
My dean at the University once said that once you hear word "obvious" in a conversation, do yourself a favor and question underlying logic. Please provide a time frame for the "people who were deathly afraid" in the video in question.
What is the "will of hundreds of thousands of people in Ukrainian East", exactly? We heard demands of wider autonomy, making Russian an official language. These things are going to be granted with the new constitution and reforms, and it has been promised by a new-elect President Poroshenko on numerous occasions. It is also, as it happens, something plenty of people are waiting for here, in Odessa. Waiting peacefully, no guns, no killings, no kidnappings, bank robberies, rape, organ trade, etc.
Are you going to argue that the latter do not, in fact, represent a covert intrusion of armed special forces, criminals, ex-military from a nice peaceful country to the East? Which is not known for annexing another part of Ukraine just recently, waging war in Georgia in 2008, destroying most parts of it's own Chechnya region in two wars 10 years ago?
Truly failing is one thing, being perceived as fallen by a biased is quite another, isn't it?
As somebody claiming knowledge (perhaps professional?) in the field of psychiatry, can you please comment on the current state of the general Russian population? In the past year or so, as far as pretty much everybody in the world knows besides Russians, Russians suffered a rather unique and intense brain-washing attack coming from their own media. Is there going to be a permanent damage? How much time it may take for the population to calm down, get rid of spontaneous aggression towards e.g. Ukrainians, Europeans, Americans?
It is a very interesting question to me personally since my relatives from russian far east had suffered greatly. Apparently, while being 11,000 km away from Ukraine, they behave as if they understand and know more on current events in my country than me - somebody who's living here. Their judgment is very harsh, aggressive and contradicts basic facts. This long-distance know-it-all attitude is very common and perhaps you could identify it's clinical picture, and perhaps indulge in a self-diagnose?
Also, please advise us on a long-distance therapeutic methods you seem to employ when it comes to psychiatric evaluations such as the one you were so keen to perform on yours truly.
A problem with the word "separatist" implies that these people are local Ukrainians, which a lot of them aren't. There are thousands of criminals, ex-military, current military personnel, mercenaries from all over Russia. One of their major leaders - Girkin - is ex-Russian military. So I can't consider or call them "separatists".
In addition to that.. if something looks like a terrorists (fully armed, in military clothing, etc), acts like a terrorists (killing civilians, attacking and killing army men and police, kidnapping, torture, shelling civilian buildings, bank robbery), then it must be terrorists.
Sorry, I completely fail to understand your point on Gubarev.
On the information thing - just go and read the law. I doubt you will find any country in the world which allows hate propaganda aired.
On the "irony" thing - per Ukrainian constitution, the law above all, the people is the sole and main source of power. It is unthinkable to let 45 million of people to be ruled by somebody who's openly hated by vast majority of the population. Are you going to defend this based on law?
>I'm a reserve officer with a military specialty in anti-air defense
Yeah, as of today, I spoke to 2 military defense dudes - you on slashdot, another on youtube. At the same time, I had an interesting conversation with a world-class economist, a bunch of historians, several very important people from natural gas industry. Internet is a truly amazing place to be.
This new law is closely tied to new constitution, which is coming pretty soon. And as it happens, we have far worse issues at hand - a war with Russia, for instance. The idea is that the old, still active language law, will suffice, for now. It was good for 2 years, it was so desperately cried for that the President had to veto it's cancellation. Can you guys live with that until the situation with terrorists is resolved? Priorities..
Pro-Russian channels were violating the law (mind you, the one which was in place way before Maidan). They are now largely gone, which is a great thing. The rest of the world is free to broadcast anything they like. Freedom of speech is not a freedom to lie, you know..
On your "authenticity" thing - have you actually visited Kyiv prisons? On Luhansk - what about this video of the alleged air strike? https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
On your "trivia" thing - I truly do not understand why and how so many pro-Russian people suddenly became so well versed in technicalities of war toys. You guys are also doing so well when it comes to war criminalistics, economics, international trade, gas prices, etc..
Look, I can simply restate the same thing you just said, reverse the roles and change "happy" to "sad", and have roughly the same argumentation to support my point of view.
These people are confused, still shocked, they are in despair as their homes are partially ruined. But when it comes to liberation, they are all happy and not looking to go back under terrorist control.
I am yet to see any proofs of "shelling of cities". I keep on asking you of any proof, and keep on failing to get any.
The Korrespondent article doesn't even mention "Right sector". Search for it - you will find these words in comment section only. It does mention another military organization created based on entirely different people, but it does not say that they "shoot all suspected rebels"
A Parliament (the 2012 Parliament, the one we got during Yanukovich times) voted to end this "Law about the languages". but then-President vetoed, so this law is still in action. Needless to say, it was originally voted in ca 2012, by pro-Yanukovich people and was neither usable nor made any difference whatsoever. It was basically a charade to make (some) people believe Yanukovich cared for what he ran on - "Russian as a 2nd language", etc.
Media censorship? Really? Please provide more information on this. I, for one, see much less censorship these days, versus good old Yanukovich times.
Nazi scum in SNBO? Who exactly? What are their actions? What are their views?
OUN-UPA were freedom fighters during first half of 20th century, in western Ukraine. This organization has been largely dead since 1960-es. Does verbal support for this organization make President Poroshenko a nazi scum?
And on your last "SBU" bit.. so a "proof" consists of downloading an mp4 video from some 3rd-party website and checking dates in it. And this is somehow authentic?
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Ok so to sum this up quickly. Countries with civil/religion-based wars, going for 5 years or more: Yugoslavia, Ireland, Spain (Basks), Iraq, Afghanistan. Country where there was no war, perhaps only a short 3-month civil unrest with casualties under 200: Ukraine. No deaths or civil unrest in Crimea. And look, Russian peacekeepers are still claiming their right to protect something from somebody.
Yeah I saw tweets by this "spanish atc working in Kyiv". It is a fabricated lie. UA ATC people are all UA nationals and they don't employ foreigners. This Spanish guy does not exist anywhere beyond fabricated tweets and a livejournal page. More here - http://www.stopfake.org/en/lie...
Internet is indeed full of conflicting accounts, etc. In this particular case, terrorist's tweets were coming from their numerous official accounts, the ones they used for past 3-4 months.
If by "Seppos" you mean "separatists", then I should point out that they and terrorists are the same people, and Russia is their main supporter in man power, arms, money. There's a vast amount of evidence for this, accumulated since early April.
Could be. In any case, operating a BUK system requires quite a bit of training - something like 6 months per army standards. It's not a playstation machine and terrorists aren't geniuses. This hints at a high chance that specialists had to be provided from abroad.
Look, I saw these numerous tweets coming from the accounts used by terrorists themselves. They are still using these accounts, openly and publicly. There's no conspiracy here and no government to trust in order to realize what happened.
I suppose it should be enough to just hint that it was Columbus who brought potato and tomato to Europe from America. Russian propaganda machine relies heavily on half-truths, and since Russians are so susceptible to those, a considerable damage can be done this way. Anything which can hurt Putin these days will do.
It does go both ways, but I argue there's a vast amount of evidence to accuse terrorists of this atrocity. They actually *confessed* doing this. The rest of the evidence is also very, very strong.
So we do have a very, very good sense of the direction to point fingers at.
Ukraine was indeed a part of the USSR and practiced propaganda intensely. This ended 23 years ago. Nowadays, he have numerous, independent news sources, so the situation is much more like what it is in e.g. EU, rather than what it is in Russia where all large TV stations are directly controlled by Kremlin.
I obviously agree that Ukraine is to gain the most from this tragic event, and yet that's the only argument for a horrible accusation of UA army shooting down this plane. One really has to have good argumentation in place in order to suggest or proceed in this direction. There has been no credible evidence for this thus far - nothing from terrorists, nothing from Kreml.
Ok thanks for the clarification. Terrorists indeed claimed to have stolen a BUK system from local Donbass military base, on 29/06: https://twitter.com/kram_ua/st... Here's another claim - they're saying they fixed it: https://twitter.com/Dbnmjr/sta...
UA army claimed all BUKs were crippled beyond repair, so it is also likely that specialists and materials needed for repair (if it indeed happened) came from Russia
Also, there's a series of intercepted phone calls between terrorists on 16-17th of July, where they discuss BUK system newly arrived from Russia.
This actually hits towards a much deeper involvement by Russian specialists.
There has been no evidence of this whatsoever.
Crimea does not have borders with Donbass region, but Russia does. Even if these BUKs were originally from Crimea, they still had to get to Donbass somehow, and the only route would be via Russia. Also, how likely is it for terrorists to have this thing shipped over without knowledge and support of this by Russian government?
In this particular case, there was exactly one terrorist group who claimed they shot down AN-26, a military support plane. Only to find out 30 minutes later it was a Malaysian Air flight. They also claimed 2 planes in 48 hours leading to the incident. They posted numerous pictures of BUK AA system(s) in their possession, in 3 weeks leading to this incident.
Funny thing is that Russians hate Americans yet their diet is largely dependent on potatoes, an originally American plant.
Do you or do you not realize that if over 5 independent news sources continually say the same thing, it can only be false if they've conspired to lie?
Donbass region is a home to some 4 million people. Sure they had perhaps 100,000 people supporting these terrorist organizations initially - sometime in April. Has it occurred to you that things changed? A video I just posted to you - right here - http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - is a nice illustration of my point.
Has it ever occurred to you that Russia has never, ever it it's history held a properly organized democratic vote where opposition won? Do you realize that this suggests that Russia is not in the business of Democracy (makes me wonder why I have to argue this)? Are you suggesting that, as someone claiming to understand applied mathematics and psychology, that for the first time in history, Russia organized it's first Democratic, completely free and representative referendums - in Crimea and Donbass?
The only fear I can see is in the eyes of the reporter when he recalls events of being held hostage by terrorists. The women at 11:20, barely 2 days since the end of war on their street, are recalling events of the past 4 weeks - and a look on their faces is just that - recalling events of the past 4 weeks. If you say they show fear, then you sort of have to admit it is directly related to surviving under terrorist rule. A women at 11:40 is upset because she does not understand how she's supposed to live in a half-destroyed house. There's also an older man cleaning broken glass out of a house. He's cautious of the camera people and does not say much. Then at 12:40 there's a 90yo woman making a tour of the remnants of her condo. There's, again, an uncertainty regarding how she's supposed to survive in these conditions, she's thankful for somebody who brought some bread, water and cleaned some of the rubble (for money). Happened *after* terrorists were gone. Where's fear? Do you have a specific offset in the stream, Minute:Second?
"Old man lashing out and instantly getting subdued at Ukrainians soldier" is something you misunderstood entirely. This old men demands for the water etc to be restored as soon as possible, and the soldier asks him to simply wait - they are still busy removing boobytraps, mines, searching for remaining terrorists. Where's the "threat"?
On the nazi thing - so you're basically claiming that a) I feel superior, b) nazis felt superior => I am a nazi. Do you really think logic works this way for the majority of people inhibiting this web site, let alone the planet?
Also, Slovyansk and other cities have been liberated for 2 weeks now. Surely nazi Ukraine army did gruesome things to the locals, and surely there must be evidence for that, available on internet for all to see as well. Can you please find some for us to see?
Let's have another Dr. Cal Lightman-style look at the emotions of civilians, now in the city of Donetsk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
This is an old, insulin-dependent lady with a disabled relative, telling Gubarev (one of the main terrorists's leaders - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...) that they have no more support from the people of Donetsk, and asks him to literally leave the city with all his gunmen. His reply is - "we can't. we've got nowhere to go".
FYI - terrorist-controlled territories do not have Ukrainian TV; they have Russian TV instead. I highly doubt this lady and her friends have facebook or twitter accounts. They have to consult their own sensory organs such as eyesight and hearing in order to get information while being literally on-site. Do you think she's living in the same "information bubble" I allegedly live in?
Okey let's take a closer look at the "sealed propaganda construct" you're claiming I'm living in. My information sources are:
first-hand experience
popular Ukrainian TV channels
large Ukrainian online publications
twitter, facebook posts made by on-site eyewitnesses - everybody these days has a phone with a camera and an access to internet. This is, after all, a country where you can get 100mbit unlimited for roughly 13 USD/month, in any city. Cellular data exchange is also universally accessible.
I personally just came back from a 2-week trip all over the central and western Ukraine, visited 10 regions, stayed in 10 cities.
On-line publications by large Western news companies
On-line publications and videos by Russian news agencies
Now, there are two ways one can go around adding 1 and 1: either do the math yourself and get "2", or one can ask around for a consensus opinion. What if the consensus is "3"? I'd say there's a conspiracy going on (and as you, as a psychiatrist, know very well that it is a prerogative of relatively retarded people to believe in large-scale conspiracies). If most of what I get from my news sources is aligned, except for info coming from Russian channels, do I go for the conspiracy theory (claiming that all my news sources are somehow not independent), or for a simpler explanation that these news sources, except for Russian ones, are sort of trying to tell the "truth" ?
My dean at the University once said that once you hear word "obvious" in a conversation, do yourself a favor and question underlying logic. Please provide a time frame for the "people who were deathly afraid" in the video in question.
What is the "will of hundreds of thousands of people in Ukrainian East", exactly? We heard demands of wider autonomy, making Russian an official language. These things are going to be granted with the new constitution and reforms, and it has been promised by a new-elect President Poroshenko on numerous occasions. It is also, as it happens, something plenty of people are waiting for here, in Odessa. Waiting peacefully, no guns, no killings, no kidnappings, bank robberies, rape, organ trade, etc.
Let's continue with a proof by picture.
Typical Maidan protesters: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi...
Typical "eastern Ukraine protesters": http://i0.wp.com/cyprus-mail.c...
Are you going to argue that the latter do not, in fact, represent a covert intrusion of armed special forces, criminals, ex-military from a nice peaceful country to the East? Which is not known for annexing another part of Ukraine just recently, waging war in Georgia in 2008, destroying most parts of it's own Chechnya region in two wars 10 years ago?
Truly failing is one thing, being perceived as fallen by a biased is quite another, isn't it?
As somebody claiming knowledge (perhaps professional?) in the field of psychiatry, can you please comment on the current state of the general Russian population? In the past year or so, as far as pretty much everybody in the world knows besides Russians, Russians suffered a rather unique and intense brain-washing attack coming from their own media. Is there going to be a permanent damage? How much time it may take for the population to calm down, get rid of spontaneous aggression towards e.g. Ukrainians, Europeans, Americans?
It is a very interesting question to me personally since my relatives from russian far east had suffered greatly. Apparently, while being 11,000 km away from Ukraine, they behave as if they understand and know more on current events in my country than me - somebody who's living here. Their judgment is very harsh, aggressive and contradicts basic facts. This long-distance know-it-all attitude is very common and perhaps you could identify it's clinical picture, and perhaps indulge in a self-diagnose?
Also, please advise us on a long-distance therapeutic methods you seem to employ when it comes to psychiatric evaluations such as the one you were so keen to perform on yours truly.
A problem with the word "separatist" implies that these people are local Ukrainians, which a lot of them aren't. There are thousands of criminals, ex-military, current military personnel, mercenaries from all over Russia. One of their major leaders - Girkin - is ex-Russian military. So I can't consider or call them "separatists".
In addition to that.. if something looks like a terrorists (fully armed, in military clothing, etc), acts like a terrorists (killing civilians, attacking and killing army men and police, kidnapping, torture, shelling civilian buildings, bank robbery), then it must be terrorists.
Sorry, I completely fail to understand your point on Gubarev.
On the information thing - just go and read the law. I doubt you will find any country in the world which allows hate propaganda aired.
On the "irony" thing - per Ukrainian constitution, the law above all, the people is the sole and main source of power. It is unthinkable to let 45 million of people to be ruled by somebody who's openly hated by vast majority of the population. Are you going to defend this based on law?
>I'm a reserve officer with a military specialty in anti-air defense
Yeah, as of today, I spoke to 2 military defense dudes - you on slashdot, another on youtube. At the same time, I had an interesting conversation with a world-class economist, a bunch of historians, several very important people from natural gas industry. Internet is a truly amazing place to be.
This new law is closely tied to new constitution, which is coming pretty soon. And as it happens, we have far worse issues at hand - a war with Russia, for instance. The idea is that the old, still active language law, will suffice, for now. It was good for 2 years, it was so desperately cried for that the President had to veto it's cancellation. Can you guys live with that until the situation with terrorists is resolved? Priorities..
Pro-Russian channels were violating the law (mind you, the one which was in place way before Maidan). They are now largely gone, which is a great thing. The rest of the world is free to broadcast anything they like. Freedom of speech is not a freedom to lie, you know..
On your "authenticity" thing - have you actually visited Kyiv prisons? On Luhansk - what about this video of the alleged air strike? https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
On your "trivia" thing - I truly do not understand why and how so many pro-Russian people suddenly became so well versed in technicalities of war toys. You guys are also doing so well when it comes to war criminalistics, economics, international trade, gas prices, etc..
Look, I can simply restate the same thing you just said, reverse the roles and change "happy" to "sad", and have roughly the same argumentation to support my point of view.
These people are confused, still shocked, they are in despair as their homes are partially ruined. But when it comes to liberation, they are all happy and not looking to go back under terrorist control.
I am yet to see any proofs of "shelling of cities". I keep on asking you of any proof, and keep on failing to get any.
The Korrespondent article doesn't even mention "Right sector". Search for it - you will find these words in comment section only. It does mention another military organization created based on entirely different people, but it does not say that they "shoot all suspected rebels"
A Parliament (the 2012 Parliament, the one we got during Yanukovich times) voted to end this "Law about the languages". but then-President vetoed, so this law is still in action. Needless to say, it was originally voted in ca 2012, by pro-Yanukovich people and was neither usable nor made any difference whatsoever. It was basically a charade to make (some) people believe Yanukovich cared for what he ran on - "Russian as a 2nd language", etc.
Media censorship? Really? Please provide more information on this. I, for one, see much less censorship these days, versus good old Yanukovich times.
Nazi scum in SNBO? Who exactly? What are their actions? What are their views?
OUN-UPA were freedom fighters during first half of 20th century, in western Ukraine. This organization has been largely dead since 1960-es. Does verbal support for this organization make President Poroshenko a nazi scum?
And on your last "SBU" bit.. so a "proof" consists of downloading an mp4 video from some 3rd-party website and checking dates in it. And this is somehow authentic?