Man you're pathetic, you bring out calling me a snowflake in a few more words when all I did was point out how full of shit you are. You didn't bring up a single "unpleasant reality", you've only painted a fiction and that's why you haven't and cant counter my prior statement about your giant slippery slope.
Your "individual perspective" is completely irrational. Is the US communist for having social security? No. Is a dog a cat when it eats cat food? No. Is Germany run by Nazi's because of a single limitation on free speech? No.
No, you specifically said "And FDR, anxious not to upset the Germans but even more anxious to not upset his fellow liberals..." Don't deflect, it only weakens your argument.
In regards to Roosevelt, it's historic fact that from 1940 on we not only sold the Brits planes but boats as well. When they could no longer afford to pay for the arms we were selling them Roosevelt proposed the lend-lease act where we literally lent them military hardware in exchange for future payments. Roosevelt chose a side early in WW2 and it was most certainly with the Brits. Things like moving the planes over the Canadian boarder are not at all evidence of his lack of support for the UK, they are in fact evidence of his support for them in the face of the wide spread disinterest in getting involved in a European war.
"...insist that we treat the governments of cultures that throw gay people off of rooftops...."
What the hell are you rambling about now? We're a culture of rampant mass shootings, does that make us all evil? ISIS does horrible things (your roof top reference for instance) and that then applies to the entire culture they come from and that makes Islamic governments evil? What a bunch of nonsense. These things don't equate at all.
If you want to talk about US supporting intolerant Muslim nations though, conservatives are just as eager as any American politician to support nations like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
I like how you substitute "liberals" for general will of the American people. Getting involved in yet another European war wasnt popular with the bulk of Americans in general, not just liberals. Your revisionism truely knows no bounds
You're even taking an event where the US literally helped out Britain's war effort and trying to posit it as proof that the US did not help them. I really just dont know what to think of some one when they say shit like this.
If the answer is "many" then there are many more Muslims who arent or you wouldnt be hearing the complaints. If the answer is "none" or "few" then there could very well not be a major problem either.
In answer to your question though, none. However, I do hear the proprietor of my favorite local schawarma joint (who is a Muslim) complain about his land lord (who also happens to be a Muslim) being a crook by doing things like charging extra in December for rent for Christmas decorations in the parking lot when year after year there are no decorations. Meanwhile, his shop is located directly next to a Grocery store that is part of a small chain that is owned by a Jew and sponsors a very nice Hanukkah celebration outside of it every year.
Oh, "right there in the name"? So the Democratic Republic of North Korea (North Korea's legitimate name) is a Democratic Republic? What a world you live in. But alright, sure, on economic issues Nazis are to the Left a good portion of the time.
Now here's something that is really going to blow your mind though. This is not at all the reason why Nazis are one of history's greatest monsters. If the Germans had stayed in Germany and not killed millions of people no one would care.
Basically, what makes Nazism is not socialized medicine or retirement plans. That's just a modern scare tactic some American small government types love to wave around.
If you start with a completely fabricated premise like "We had to become Nazis to prevent Nazis!" then sure, Germany looks bad.
This of course is not what is happening at all. Putting a single limit on free speach does not equal Nazism unless you live on the biggest slippery slope around.
For the record, I dont think laws like this German one are the best way to fight intolerance. I'm just putting this out there because I dislike your mad, arms flailing, the sky is falling, rhetoric.
One doesnt announce "we're letting you do this so we can build up military inventory". Maybe look at the fact that the Brits were in fact building up their military because they werent the complete and utter idiots you seem to want to make them out to be.
"As has been previously pointed out, the proponents of these ideologies think that their ideas are so good, they must be mandatory!"
All laws are this. Crowing "they're trying to control us!" over a law you dont like ignores this very simple fact of reality. All societies put limits on personal freedom.
I have a watch given to me by my grandmother from a grandfather I never knew. It's "only" gold plated and "only" has a plastic face rather than crystal but it's one of my most precious things. Why would anyone want an old smartwatch, regardless of who owned it?
Maybe it's because I don't want an accessory on my wrist that offers almost no advantages over the cell in my pocket, meanwhile costing the same as a nice watch but looking like an 80's calculator wrist watch.
The majority of Americans also knows that when some one says "Happy Holidays" that there's no reason to be offended. Meanwhile there's a minority of shitheels who want to be thought police and control what people say during the holidays.
Oh, right. So all of those manger scenes with baby Jesus are totally non religious, right? Just because the history of Christmas is tied to the appropriating of European pagan holidays as a means of converting pagans doesn't mean Christmas isn't religious.
You're engaging in self delusion if you think that the most fundamental Christian holiday isn't religious. It's literally celebrating the reason the religion even exists; the birth of Christ.
I couldnt disagree more. If you know some one doesnt celebrate a holiday then what are you doing wishing them have a happy version of the holiday? They arent participating so from the recipients point of view all you're doing is pointing that out and making them feel like they arent part of the heard.
In doing something like this you're either being an idiot (which is what the above scenario sounds like) or trying to put your own holiday onto people who dont want it.
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Man you're pathetic, you bring out calling me a snowflake in a few more words when all I did was point out how full of shit you are. You didn't bring up a single "unpleasant reality", you've only painted a fiction and that's why you haven't and cant counter my prior statement about your giant slippery slope.
Your "individual perspective" is completely irrational. Is the US communist for having social security? No. Is a dog a cat when it eats cat food? No. Is Germany run by Nazi's because of a single limitation on free speech? No.
"We're talking about FDR and his cabinet, here"
No, you specifically said "And FDR, anxious not to upset the Germans but even more anxious to not upset his fellow liberals..." Don't deflect, it only weakens your argument.
In regards to Roosevelt, it's historic fact that from 1940 on we not only sold the Brits planes but boats as well. When they could no longer afford to pay for the arms we were selling them Roosevelt proposed the lend-lease act where we literally lent them military hardware in exchange for future payments. Roosevelt chose a side early in WW2 and it was most certainly with the Brits. Things like moving the planes over the Canadian boarder are not at all evidence of his lack of support for the UK, they are in fact evidence of his support for them in the face of the wide spread disinterest in getting involved in a European war.
"...insist that we treat the governments of cultures that throw gay people off of rooftops...."
What the hell are you rambling about now? We're a culture of rampant mass shootings, does that make us all evil? ISIS does horrible things (your roof top reference for instance) and that then applies to the entire culture they come from and that makes Islamic governments evil? What a bunch of nonsense. These things don't equate at all.
If you want to talk about US supporting intolerant Muslim nations though, conservatives are just as eager as any American politician to support nations like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
I like how you substitute "liberals" for general will of the American people. Getting involved in yet another European war wasnt popular with the bulk of Americans in general, not just liberals. Your revisionism truely knows no bounds
You're even taking an event where the US literally helped out Britain's war effort and trying to posit it as proof that the US did not help them. I really just dont know what to think of some one when they say shit like this.
Heh, read what you just asked.
If the answer is "many" then there are many more Muslims who arent or you wouldnt be hearing the complaints. If the answer is "none" or "few" then there could very well not be a major problem either.
In answer to your question though, none. However, I do hear the proprietor of my favorite local schawarma joint (who is a Muslim) complain about his land lord (who also happens to be a Muslim) being a crook by doing things like charging extra in December for rent for Christmas decorations in the parking lot when year after year there are no decorations. Meanwhile, his shop is located directly next to a Grocery store that is part of a small chain that is owned by a Jew and sponsors a very nice Hanukkah celebration outside of it every year.
Correction: "But alright, sure, on economic issues the Nazis of the 30's and 40's are to the Left a good portion of the time"
Oh, "right there in the name"? So the Democratic Republic of North Korea (North Korea's legitimate name) is a Democratic Republic? What a world you live in. But alright, sure, on economic issues Nazis are to the Left a good portion of the time.
Now here's something that is really going to blow your mind though. This is not at all the reason why Nazis are one of history's greatest monsters. If the Germans had stayed in Germany and not killed millions of people no one would care.
Basically, what makes Nazism is not socialized medicine or retirement plans. That's just a modern scare tactic some American small government types love to wave around.
If you start with a completely fabricated premise like "We had to become Nazis to prevent Nazis!" then sure, Germany looks bad.
This of course is not what is happening at all. Putting a single limit on free speach does not equal Nazism unless you live on the biggest slippery slope around.
For the record, I dont think laws like this German one are the best way to fight intolerance. I'm just putting this out there because I dislike your mad, arms flailing, the sky is falling, rhetoric.
One doesnt announce "we're letting you do this so we can build up military inventory". Maybe look at the fact that the Brits were in fact building up their military because they werent the complete and utter idiots you seem to want to make them out to be.
"As has been previously pointed out, the proponents of these ideologies think that their ideas are so good, they must be mandatory!"
All laws are this. Crowing "they're trying to control us!" over a law you dont like ignores this very simple fact of reality. All societies put limits on personal freedom.
Maybe site some sources
Oh, right, Muslim = "hates Jews" because Muslims arent actually individuals like the rest of us, they're just one big stereotype.
What election? Putin has no legal political opponent that has any chance of winning.
Do people kick down large amounts of money for famous people's old VCRs? No, they do not.
Sigh....
I didn't say I had a therapist, the above did. Decidedly not clever.
I don't even drink coffee.
You mean all the stuff that thing you carry everywhere in your pocket does?
Yeah, sure, but what did your therapist's watch tell you?
If Apple ever make's their watches not look like cheap plastic garbage then maybe the big time piece makers will have a bit to worry over.
It's to get at you personally.
I have a watch given to me by my grandmother from a grandfather I never knew. It's "only" gold plated and "only" has a plastic face rather than crystal but it's one of my most precious things. Why would anyone want an old smartwatch, regardless of who owned it?
You're right, I insulted 80's calculator wrist watches which definitely had their own level of awesome.
Smart watches generally don't look retro though. They generally just look like cheap plastic garbage.
Maybe it's because I don't want an accessory on my wrist that offers almost no advantages over the cell in my pocket, meanwhile costing the same as a nice watch but looking like an 80's calculator wrist watch.
The majority of Americans also knows that when some one says "Happy Holidays" that there's no reason to be offended. Meanwhile there's a minority of shitheels who want to be thought police and control what people say during the holidays.
Oh, right. So all of those manger scenes with baby Jesus are totally non religious, right? Just because the history of Christmas is tied to the appropriating of European pagan holidays as a means of converting pagans doesn't mean Christmas isn't religious.
You're engaging in self delusion if you think that the most fundamental Christian holiday isn't religious. It's literally celebrating the reason the religion even exists; the birth of Christ.
I couldnt disagree more. If you know some one doesnt celebrate a holiday then what are you doing wishing them have a happy version of the holiday? They arent participating so from the recipients point of view all you're doing is pointing that out and making them feel like they arent part of the heard.
In doing something like this you're either being an idiot (which is what the above scenario sounds like) or trying to put your own holiday onto people who dont want it.
It came from an idiot who obviously believes that God doesn't want us to use our brains to figure out the universe