...and for the love of fucking god you idiot, as I said before, the Ukrainians have reelected these people who were involved in the revolution. If Ukraine didn't want to move towards the West this wouldn't be happening. Therefore, with the revolution happening in the context of the popular will your whole US conspiracy theory falls apart pretty quick.
Your "overwhelming evidence" is all circumstantial nonsense. I debunked enough of your claims to make a safe assumption the rest are garbage. I noticed you don't correct me on any of my points. Seems like if you had overwhelming evidence said evidence wouldnt be so collectively weak.
I am most certainly not of the mind that the US does no evil in the world. I'm just one of those crazy people that demand real evidence aside from circumstantial nonsense. A singular example: Did the US over throw the legally elected government of Iran in the 50's? Seems like it as there is plenty of actual evidence for this and this was a terrible act both because it was so contrary to democratic values but also because of the end result with them in their current theocratic government. Was the war in Iraq something we should have done? No, it was a war based on dumb circumstantial evidence (sound familiar?) that had no basis in fact.
Your claims though "A US diplomat is heard on tape stating favored Ukraine political candidates of the US! This means political coup!" Reality check, every country has candidates they would rather other countries elect. And that's your best piece of "evidence".
For starters I'm amused that you've abandon your "Russia is good guy!" rhetoric when I point out its full of shit.
Next, I enjoy the fact that you never acknowledge this point
" I enjoy the idea of you trying to do this in context of the fact that the replacement government has since been democratically elected since the revolution. Seems like a government formed in the context of a foreign led coup wouldn't be very popular."
So let's talk your "evidence".
First Youtube video: Spending money on incouraging democratic institutions in Ukraine does not at all equal US funded coup. The US does this stuff all over the world. Nice try though! The Nation link: Well if you didn't want to post slanted info you would have sited this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... . None of that equals "the US overthrew the government" at all. The US diplomatically pushing for favorites to counter Russian influence, big surprise. None of that equals "US funded a coup". Nice try though! Guardian link: I didnt bother to read the article because your summary was bullshit. "Immediate" recognizing the new government under any time table doesnt equal "US funded a coup". Nice try though! Unconstitutional vote! Does't equal US involvement and I'm fucking done with you. I'm not going to wade through your blatantly circumstantial bullshit and false leads any more.
Clearly you started with "the US was responsible" and built your argument from there. When you have actual evidence get back to me. Until then, don't waste my fucking time.
The source for your original problem is government trying to find a solution rooted in private enterprise. Connecting everyone, particularly in such a spread out country as the US, is too expensive for the private sector to find profitable. Local governments granted franchise agreements in order to get the private sector to provide the services they wanted. It's ironic now that many local governments realize this was a mistake and now are having their own home grown internet services / attempts to bring more private competition in, squashed at the state level by the devils they created.
More government is a perfectly viable solution in this situation as we are talking about services that any rational person consider public utilities. These are services every adult and child need if they are to compete in the modern workforce. Just as maintaining basic rights is an important function of government as a means of guaranteeing general equality so is maintaining the basics of what it takes to compete in modern society. A child born in a poor remote location shouldn't be doomed to poverty because giving them proper resources isn't profitable.
After Russia occupied South Ossetia (or in other words, part of Georgia) under the guise of the OSCE
Furthermore you demand evidence of Russian involvement in Ukraine but provide none for the Western over throw of the Ukraine government.
So let's talk Russia in Ukraine. First off Crimea is part of Ukraine, everyone in the world recognizes this aside from Russia who changed their mind just recently. There is plenty of Russian military in Crimea. As for the rest of Ukraine how about this for a resource https://www.martenscentre.eu/p... If we see Russians and their military equipment in Ukraine then that pretty much makes for Russian military involvement in Ukraine.
Now please, lay out your case for the West orchestrating the over turning of Ukraines government. I enjoy the idea of you trying to do this in context of the fact that the replacement government has since been democratically elected since the revolution. Seems like a government formed in the context of a foriegn led cou wouldn't be very popular.
Ukraine has been an country independent of Russia for around a hundred years now (even when part of the Eastern Block it still had its own government and national identity. The Soviets certainly acknowledged Ukraine as a seperate nation when they gave them Crimea in 1954). Catalonia, on the other hand, has been part of Spain for over half a millennium.
Also, Russia's invasion of Ukraine was illegal under international law. On the other hand, Catalonia's bid for independence was illegal as the Spanish constitution (much like the US') does not allow for such a thing.
Sure, you can draw some superficial parallels between the two but the second you start to really look at the circumstances of both situations Russia looks like far more of a bad guy than Spain. Just look at the death counts even. While the violence in what was happening in Spain for a bit was certainly disturbing, the death count in Ukraine is in the tens of thousands and continues to mount.
Your "bigger picture" is believing that pointing out economic inequality is in fact "far left" and that advocating for a far right solution of not doing a single thing about it is some how a reasonable response.
I'm sorry but your "bigger picture" is far right ideology and good luck with that. History has shown that ideological extremes fail. I only hope we don't have to see America fail to prove to idiots that a mixed economy is by far the healthiest.
No, they're not both correct. Rightwingnutjob is living true to his name and placing the only alternative to the extreme Right as the extreme Left, meanwhile the author above him is not at all suggesting anything approaching the extreme Left (AKA communism). RWNJ is a liar and a fraud. There are a vast array of options aside from the extreme Right and RWNJ clearly doesnt want anyone to see them.
Someone who is pointing out that the system is manipulated to the advantage of a few is not advocating complete government control of the economy (aka, communism). Furthermore, making various parts of companyies dealings with us more transparent and/or reforming the system itself (such as not allowing the aforementioned LIBOR manipulations) does not equal communist anymore than me taking off my clothes makes me a stripper.
To be even clearer, telling banks they can't lie and punishing them when they do (LIBOR again) is not communism.
Nice name calling though! It definitely lends to your credibility!
The parent post is modded -1 troll as of my posting this and I would wager it was the same as when you posted as this thread is a bit old at this point.
So we should have an echo chamber here of Left wing views? What you're seeing on slashdot is happening to the country. Better to face it then live in a bubble.
So a single person says something negative about the paris climate deal and it's indictative of the site becoming "ignorant and stupid"? I certainly think not being in the climate deal is stupid but you branding the entire slashdot base as ignorant and stupid over a single comment you dont like is itself ignorant and stupid.
We're better off without you, please dont come back
Well sure, let's talk your other points if pointing out garbage supporting claims is such a problem for you. How about the fact that race is in fact a social construct. The one-drop rule is alive and well in a social context https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] . A person who is 3/4 white and 1/4 black is near universally seen as a black person in our society. This is not at all an unusual categorization either, around the world if your not a pure blood of the dominant race or close to you're seen as a separate race. Off the top of my head a good recent singular example of this in a global context was the last Miss Japan
Half Japanese, born and raised in Japan, and yet not considered Japanese by many. Even looking at her, she's a lovely woman but no one would think "Japanese" which is why many Japanese were actually upset at her award.
At the end of the day, if a society labels you of a given race then that's what you are for any kind of practical purpose and that's the way it's always been.
Your naivety in regards to reality really is astounding.
Well sure, let's talk your other points if pointing out garbage supporting claims is such a problem for you. How about the fact that race is in fact a social construct. The one-drop rule is alive and well in a social context https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... . A person who is 3/4 white and 1/4 black is near universally seen as a black person in our society. This is not at all an unusual categorization either, around the world if your not a pure blood of the dominant race or close to you're seen as a separate race. Off the top of my head a good recent singular example of this in a global context was the last Miss Japan
Half Japanese, born and raised in Japan, and yet not considered Japanese by many. Even looking at her, she's a lovely woman but no one would think "Japanese" which is why many Japanese were actually upset at her award.
At the end of the day, if a society labels you of a given race then that's what you are for any kind of practical purpose and that's the way it's always been.
Oh what trite bullshit you are. You post garbage to support a complete nonsense claim and when called on it, "oh but I'm still right, I've got plenty of evidence over here where you cant see it"
One lone asshole says something and it's meaningful?
You sound like the idiot Fox commentators alleging a war on Christmas. Can you find claims made by idiots? Sure, you can find claims by anyone advocating anything thanks to the internet. Does that mean there's a liberal war on Christmas? No, Christmas is alive and well in blue states and has been for the two decades long "war".
Likewise with this. A single idiot alleging white people matting together as racists is NOT AT ALL indicative of a movement.
Honestly, I think you're an idiot for posting that as evidence of any type of conclusion. It's one lone idiots singular opinion. That fact that you don't get that puts you among the idiots.
You're suggesting that racial equality has some sort of equivalency with tolerance of pedophilia? What is your problem? How can any rational human think that? Racial equality is pretty much proven through our understanding of genetics. Taking advantage of kids in a sexual context is a horrible act and your attempt to create an equivalency between the two reflects very poorly on you.
Your post is what's retarded. You're making the most preposterous equivalencies I've seen in a long time and then start calling opposing views racism? No rational person calls having two same race parents as racist. You're literally making that up. I really hope you're just that much of a piece of shit and not indicative of some larger group of delusional people who think their conspiratorial views are reality.
Do what you're saying is that we should completely ignore an adversary nation trying to influence our elections because our political parties need to get their shit together?
That's just stupid. It's completely possibly to recognize Russia as an adversary nation and to reform party politics at the same time. This is literally going down in the Democratic party right now. Sadly in the republican party the winds seem to be going the other way. While there's broad based support among the traditional conservatives that Russian is in fact not our friend there's a whole new breed of Republican (Trump and friends) that want to give a big ol' best friends hug to Russia despite its modern history of antagonist policies towards us and the West.
Or you can blame the real reason which is long dry summers. I know it's easy for you to make up left wing boogy men but the natural ecology of the region just lends itself to large forest fires.
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...and for the love of fucking god you idiot, as I said before, the Ukrainians have reelected these people who were involved in the revolution. If Ukraine didn't want to move towards the West this wouldn't be happening. Therefore, with the revolution happening in the context of the popular will your whole US conspiracy theory falls apart pretty quick.
Your "overwhelming evidence" is all circumstantial nonsense. I debunked enough of your claims to make a safe assumption the rest are garbage. I noticed you don't correct me on any of my points. Seems like if you had overwhelming evidence said evidence wouldnt be so collectively weak.
I am most certainly not of the mind that the US does no evil in the world. I'm just one of those crazy people that demand real evidence aside from circumstantial nonsense. A singular example: Did the US over throw the legally elected government of Iran in the 50's? Seems like it as there is plenty of actual evidence for this and this was a terrible act both because it was so contrary to democratic values but also because of the end result with them in their current theocratic government. Was the war in Iraq something we should have done? No, it was a war based on dumb circumstantial evidence (sound familiar?) that had no basis in fact.
Your claims though "A US diplomat is heard on tape stating favored Ukraine political candidates of the US! This means political coup!" Reality check, every country has candidates they would rather other countries elect. And that's your best piece of "evidence".
For starters I'm amused that you've abandon your "Russia is good guy!" rhetoric when I point out its full of shit.
Next, I enjoy the fact that you never acknowledge this point
" I enjoy the idea of you trying to do this in context of the fact that the replacement government has since been democratically elected since the revolution. Seems like a government formed in the context of a foreign led coup wouldn't be very popular."
So let's talk your "evidence".
First Youtube video: Spending money on incouraging democratic institutions in Ukraine does not at all equal US funded coup. The US does this stuff all over the world. Nice try though!
The Nation link: Well if you didn't want to post slanted info you would have sited this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... . None of that equals "the US overthrew the government" at all. The US diplomatically pushing for favorites to counter Russian influence, big surprise. None of that equals "US funded a coup". Nice try though!
Guardian link: I didnt bother to read the article because your summary was bullshit. "Immediate" recognizing the new government under any time table doesnt equal "US funded a coup". Nice try though!
Unconstitutional vote! Does't equal US involvement and I'm fucking done with you. I'm not going to wade through your blatantly circumstantial bullshit and false leads any more.
Clearly you started with "the US was responsible" and built your argument from there. When you have actual evidence get back to me. Until then, don't waste my fucking time.
The source for your original problem is government trying to find a solution rooted in private enterprise. Connecting everyone, particularly in such a spread out country as the US, is too expensive for the private sector to find profitable. Local governments granted franchise agreements in order to get the private sector to provide the services they wanted. It's ironic now that many local governments realize this was a mistake and now are having their own home grown internet services / attempts to bring more private competition in, squashed at the state level by the devils they created.
More government is a perfectly viable solution in this situation as we are talking about services that any rational person consider public utilities. These are services every adult and child need if they are to compete in the modern workforce. Just as maintaining basic rights is an important function of government as a means of guaranteeing general equality so is maintaining the basics of what it takes to compete in modern society. A child born in a poor remote location shouldn't be doomed to poverty because giving them proper resources isn't profitable.
"Putin has invaded both Georgia"
"After George invaded South Ossetia."
After Russia occupied South Ossetia (or in other words, part of Georgia) under the guise of the OSCE
Furthermore you demand evidence of Russian involvement in Ukraine but provide none for the Western over throw of the Ukraine government.
So let's talk Russia in Ukraine. First off Crimea is part of Ukraine, everyone in the world recognizes this aside from Russia who changed their mind just recently. There is plenty of Russian military in Crimea. As for the rest of Ukraine how about this for a resource https://www.martenscentre.eu/p...
If we see Russians and their military equipment in Ukraine then that pretty much makes for Russian military involvement in Ukraine.
Now please, lay out your case for the West orchestrating the over turning of Ukraines government. I enjoy the idea of you trying to do this in context of the fact that the replacement government has since been democratically elected since the revolution. Seems like a government formed in the context of a foriegn led cou wouldn't be very popular.
Mod up please
Ukraine has been an country independent of Russia for around a hundred years now (even when part of the Eastern Block it still had its own government and national identity. The Soviets certainly acknowledged Ukraine as a seperate nation when they gave them Crimea in 1954). Catalonia, on the other hand, has been part of Spain for over half a millennium.
Also, Russia's invasion of Ukraine was illegal under international law. On the other hand, Catalonia's bid for independence was illegal as the Spanish constitution (much like the US') does not allow for such a thing.
Sure, you can draw some superficial parallels between the two but the second you start to really look at the circumstances of both situations Russia looks like far more of a bad guy than Spain. Just look at the death counts even. While the violence in what was happening in Spain for a bit was certainly disturbing, the death count in Ukraine is in the tens of thousands and continues to mount.
Your "bigger picture" is believing that pointing out economic inequality is in fact "far left" and that advocating for a far right solution of not doing a single thing about it is some how a reasonable response.
I'm sorry but your "bigger picture" is far right ideology and good luck with that. History has shown that ideological extremes fail. I only hope we don't have to see America fail to prove to idiots that a mixed economy is by far the healthiest.
No, they're not both correct. Rightwingnutjob is living true to his name and placing the only alternative to the extreme Right as the extreme Left, meanwhile the author above him is not at all suggesting anything approaching the extreme Left (AKA communism). RWNJ is a liar and a fraud. There are a vast array of options aside from the extreme Right and RWNJ clearly doesnt want anyone to see them.
You just named 4 countries that half the world would desperately love to get into to live. But yeah, their governments are terrible. Right.....
"I disagree with you so you're a communist!"
Someone who is pointing out that the system is manipulated to the advantage of a few is not advocating complete government control of the economy (aka, communism). Furthermore, making various parts of companyies dealings with us more transparent and/or reforming the system itself (such as not allowing the aforementioned LIBOR manipulations) does not equal communist anymore than me taking off my clothes makes me a stripper.
To be even clearer, telling banks they can't lie and punishing them when they do (LIBOR again) is not communism.
Nice name calling though! It definitely lends to your credibility!
The parent post is modded -1 troll as of my posting this and I would wager it was the same as when you posted as this thread is a bit old at this point.
Irrelevant. People aren't immortal.
I'm entirely certain genetics help but anyone living past 100 is quite likely living off of dumb luck.
The universe is a chaotic place after all.
So we should have an echo chamber here of Left wing views? What you're seeing on slashdot is happening to the country. Better to face it then live in a bubble.
So a single person says something negative about the paris climate deal and it's indictative of the site becoming "ignorant and stupid"? I certainly think not being in the climate deal is stupid but you branding the entire slashdot base as ignorant and stupid over a single comment you dont like is itself ignorant and stupid.
We're better off without you, please dont come back
Cut and pasted from another reply.
Well sure, let's talk your other points if pointing out garbage supporting claims is such a problem for you. How about the fact that race is in fact a social construct. The one-drop rule is alive and well in a social context https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] . A person who is 3/4 white and 1/4 black is near universally seen as a black person in our society. This is not at all an unusual categorization either, around the world if your not a pure blood of the dominant race or close to you're seen as a separate race. Off the top of my head a good recent singular example of this in a global context was the last Miss Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
https://www.bustle.com/article... [bustle.com]
Half Japanese, born and raised in Japan, and yet not considered Japanese by many. Even looking at her, she's a lovely woman but no one would think "Japanese" which is why many Japanese were actually upset at her award.
At the end of the day, if a society labels you of a given race then that's what you are for any kind of practical purpose and that's the way it's always been.
Your naivety in regards to reality really is astounding.
Oops, she was the 2015 Miss Japan. Jesus, time flies.
Well sure, let's talk your other points if pointing out garbage supporting claims is such a problem for you. How about the fact that race is in fact a social construct. The one-drop rule is alive and well in a social context https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... . A person who is 3/4 white and 1/4 black is near universally seen as a black person in our society. This is not at all an unusual categorization either, around the world if your not a pure blood of the dominant race or close to you're seen as a separate race. Off the top of my head a good recent singular example of this in a global context was the last Miss Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
https://www.bustle.com/article...
Half Japanese, born and raised in Japan, and yet not considered Japanese by many. Even looking at her, she's a lovely woman but no one would think "Japanese" which is why many Japanese were actually upset at her award.
At the end of the day, if a society labels you of a given race then that's what you are for any kind of practical purpose and that's the way it's always been.
"Notice how it was in parenthesis..."
Also, they're called quotation marks.
Oh what trite bullshit you are. You post garbage to support a complete nonsense claim and when called on it, "oh but I'm still right, I've got plenty of evidence over here where you cant see it"
One lone asshole says something and it's meaningful?
You sound like the idiot Fox commentators alleging a war on Christmas. Can you find claims made by idiots? Sure, you can find claims by anyone advocating anything thanks to the internet. Does that mean there's a liberal war on Christmas? No, Christmas is alive and well in blue states and has been for the two decades long "war".
Likewise with this. A single idiot alleging white people matting together as racists is NOT AT ALL indicative of a movement.
Honestly, I think you're an idiot for posting that as evidence of any type of conclusion. It's one lone idiots singular opinion. That fact that you don't get that puts you among the idiots.
You're suggesting that racial equality has some sort of equivalency with tolerance of pedophilia? What is your problem? How can any rational human think that? Racial equality is pretty much proven through our understanding of genetics. Taking advantage of kids in a sexual context is a horrible act and your attempt to create an equivalency between the two reflects very poorly on you.
Your post is what's retarded. You're making the most preposterous equivalencies I've seen in a long time and then start calling opposing views racism? No rational person calls having two same race parents as racist. You're literally making that up. I really hope you're just that much of a piece of shit and not indicative of some larger group of delusional people who think their conspiratorial views are reality.
Do what you're saying is that we should completely ignore an adversary nation trying to influence our elections because our political parties need to get their shit together?
That's just stupid. It's completely possibly to recognize Russia as an adversary nation and to reform party politics at the same time. This is literally going down in the Democratic party right now. Sadly in the republican party the winds seem to be going the other way. While there's broad based support among the traditional conservatives that Russian is in fact not our friend there's a whole new breed of Republican (Trump and friends) that want to give a big ol' best friends hug to Russia despite its modern history of antagonist policies towards us and the West.
Or you can blame the real reason which is long dry summers. I know it's easy for you to make up left wing boogy men but the natural ecology of the region just lends itself to large forest fires.