So, instead of whining about state abuse of power, exercise your own power and lobby to change the law. The state only has whatever power the people give it.
I do. And part of that is to educate those misguided souls that support our government's ever increasing reach into every facet of our lives. As long as a law has popular support, lobbying lawmakers has no effect. By pointing out how ridiculous so many of these laws are to clueless lemmings whose knee jerk reaction to anything they disapprove is to jump up and down screaming, "There ought to be a law!", I can hopefully reduce popular support. The clueless unwashed masses are the reason these laws get passed in the first place.
I guess you've never seen a heads up display in cars. But hey, you just keep on advocating more state power and interference in the daily lives of its citizens. We don't have enough laws, prisons, fines and penalties to keep the citizenry in its proper place. It's for their own good.
The real problem is that pinheads like you want to keep pretending that the USA has a revenue problem instead of a spending problem.
The problem is that the US has a revenue problem AND a spending problem. The debt limit fiasco is an exercise in insanity with flirting with economic disaster by failing to recognize PAST debts that need to be paid are irrespective of future expenditures. Any action that threatens to destroy the historic low interest rates that the government has been enjoying is batshit crazy. If the whole train goes off the rails and the government has to start financing with 15% or 25% interest rates, the Congress will have no recourse but to raise taxes through the roof to cover interest in the public debt. The whole county will be in a world of hurt and the GOP can kiss the House majority bye-bye. This is a lose-lose situation for the GOP and the country.
I must admit I was stunned at my first personal experience with a "less than professional" cop when I was just a kid. I was involved in an accident and insisted on calling the police and doing things "the right way." There was no damage to my car and minimal damage to the other vehicle. The cop did not want to have to write the report and asked us to "work it out among ourselves" which meant I could not use my insurance.
He became childish, unpleasant and vindictive when I insisted he take a report and went so far as confiscate my drivers license. I had to go to court to get it back. This was a minor fender bender. I was astonished.
Years later, I was involved in another accident with a part time sheriff's deputy. I realized how "honest" police were when I watched him lie multiple times under oath during arbitration. My lawyer told me during proceedings that his doctor admitted that had ordered him to not cooperate with us and to ignore subpoenas. The doctor cooperated anyway and the guy ended up settling for the cost of repairs to his vehicle. As a side note, he defrauded Worker's Comp using the same incident. He claimed he was "on the clock" despite being less than a mile from his home between home and work and he was right on the path he would take to get to work. He also left the scene early telling me he was "late for work."
I view cops with suspicion now. The automatic trust is gone forever.
Seriously, I could give a shit what Best Buy, Amazon and Walmart say. They are all third parties and irrelevant to the issue at hand. The ONLY parties that matter are AMC and Apple. AMC and the Breaking Bad producers agree that season 5 has 16 episodes. A simple visit to the AMC website confirms this. Or you can Google numerous articles interviewing the producers.
You seem to be operating under the delusion that because others sell in a particular format, Apple is legally or honor bound to follow suit. This is not the case. Apple sold an iTunes SEASON pass, not a Amazon collection nor a Best Buy boxed set. And as I noted, Apple's backpedaling demonstrates that they realize that they did not deliver what they sold. Your attempts to muddy the water with what other retailers do is meaningless.
It's nice to see that even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary that your position is wrong, you still cling to it and stand alone. Even recalcitrant Apple wised up under the treat of a lawsuit.
By your logic, someone could sue Amazon or Best Buy for selling Breaking Bad Season 5 DVD Box set for the same principle.
Apple PRESOLD an item that they did not yet have. They offered a SEASON pass to a series. They collected money for items listed for sale on their iTunes site. Apple sets the rules and terms of service for offering items on their store. Looking at AMC's website (the only authority you seem to believe has any say on the definition of season) confirms that they did not deliver what AMC considers and identifies to be part of season 5. This has nothing to do with Best Buy selling a boxed set. Best Buy makes no promise (implied or explicit) to anything besides the goods they deliver. That is the difference. You need to re-evaluate your pathological need to exonerate Apple.
As for my understanding of contract law and copyrights (which incidentally has nothing to do with my argument and shows how far off base you are) we'll see how things turn out.
I broke my own rule about dropping this thread. Feel free to reply, but I won't be seeing it.
I promise that this is the last I will say on this. You are either trolling me or you are an Apple shill (or both).
Your entire premise is based on your opinion. Not what the law says. Not what contracts say.
Your position is based entirely upon your opinion as well. I find it hard to believe that you have inside information of Apple's and AMC's contracts or even expertise on consumer protection case law, for that matter. Wait until the class action lawsuit is resolved before making such a generalized statement of authority.
And besides, it's just bad business. Sooner or later, this kind of customer treatment catches up with every business. Customers who believe they were treated poorly will do more damage to your business than making good on a promise that you should have never made.
As has been pointed out before, you cannot arbitrarily change what constitutes a season to a reasonable person after the purchase.
And besides, go check out AMCs website before making claims about "AMC gets to decide on the definition of a season." THEY SAY THERE ARE 16 EPISODES THEMSELVES. How about the "whats next" link: "Episode 515". Or click on the episode 14 photos link. The header says "Breaking Bad Season 5 Episode Photos." Duuuuuuuhhhhh.
As I said. AMC screwed Apple who then decided to screw their customers. Apple decided to offer a "SEASON" pass and then redefined the season after AMC got greedy. I don't care if it came out as two halves, Apple sold the season, not a half season.
If you went to your local grocer to buy a 12 pack of Coke they advertised and put down your money only to be served a six pack at the same cost you would be reasonably upset that they screwed you. I would take little consolation if their excuse was that Coca-Cola only sells in six packs now and I have to buy it twice to get the other half. You are a nitwit if you cannot see that. I don't give a shit about your lame copyright excuse. I'm not asking them to pirate or media shift or whatever the hell you were trying to obfuscate with. Apple should have eaten the cost of the second half or not offered a "season pass" to begin with. Don't sell shit if you can't deliver the goods.
If I purchased a car and got 28% less than the advertised mileage (which is in fact advertised by the manufacturer, not the dealer) I would still be talking to the dealer. I most likely was delivered a lemon and it would be either repairable or refundable under my state's lemon laws. If the manufacturer had fudged the numbers to the EPA and the issue was fleet wide, then the manufacturer should be sued of course. The issue is as to who advertised the "facts." In the case of Apple, Apple advertised and accepted payment for the "season" package and decided not to deliver a full season. It is irrespective of AMC. AMC never offered nor sold said package. Apple is in the wrong. They got screwed by their supplier and instead of sucking it up and delivering what they promised, they stuck it to their customers.
Compare that to the recent airline ticket fiasco with United Airlines. They decided it was in their best interest to honor FREE tickets which were offered to customers due to a software problem. They never intended to offer a ticket for free, but rather than screw a customer, who obviously knew it was a mistake when they ordered, United stood behind what they offered.
After wading through the gushing praise, I gleaned the following:
1 The "C" model will fail to sell well in the west.
2 The "S" model is not an iterative upgrade despite the same display as the 5 and no new unique features except the fingerprint scanner which you yourself report is not perfect and has weaknesses.
3 The biggest praise you give is for a faster CPU/GPU and higher clock rate. The 64bit update is a red herring until such time as phones ship with more that 4GB of RAM. I'm not holding my breath for than to happen.
4 You don't seem to understand what iterative means.
If you buy a Ford Mustang at a dealership and they deliver a Ford Escort, you wouldn't be suing Ford. When the salesman claims we only meant you get a half of a Mustang when we said Mustang, that wouldn't make you any happier. When the dealership claims you really bought a "Eddie Bauer Pony edition" Escort, that wouldn't make you want to sue Ford, would it? When they claim Ford decides what a Mustang really is anyway, that wouldn't make you want to sue Ford would it?
I think that the thing that makes me most angry is the way that mainstream media got the facts of the case so wrong and there is such a large contingency of people that cling to the idea that Zimmerman hunted down a small defenseless boy. Since the case was concluded and many of the facts have come out, I have seen a shift of the theory that Zimmerman started the altercation, into Zimmerman either stalked or brandished the gun, provoking Trayvon into attacking and at this point, there is little doubt that Trayvon did attack. The problem with this new theory is that it is incompatible with the facts and logic.
I really feel bad for Zimmerman. He has to live with the fact that he took someone's life. He was put through sixteen months of hell to defend himself. And there are a whole lot of people who will always believe he got away with murder, who really have no clue as to the facts of the case. He will never be safe due to the calls for vengeance. Ironically, the political leanings of these people generally aligns with those advocating tolerance and understanding.
Yet another fanciful scenario that defies logic and the facts. How do you then explain the bullet hole in Trayvon's chest if he "he got Zimmerman when he was going for his gun." Eyewitnesses admit the beating had been going on for a while before the shot was fired. Jayne Surdyka, the hysterical "crazy cat lady" (who tried her best to be a prosecution witness but ended up helping the defense) called 911 due to hearing the fight and that's how we heard the shot. She heard the screams for help. That call seemed interminable and who knows how long it was going on before she called.
If Trayvon jumped Zimmerman because he saw his "menacing gun" and fearful look in his eye, how did he end up with a bullet to the chest? Why did eyewitnesses not testify they were struggling over a gun? Why were there no fingerprints on the gun or powderburns and stippling on Trayvon's hands? The prosecution made hay out of that. If both parties were fighting over the gun, why did Zimmerman have the facial and head wounds? Why did John Good who was in very close proximity say Trayvon was raining down blows instead of they fought over a gun? For that matter, why did Trayvon return to Zimmerman at the opposite end of the apartment building if he was afraid or being menaced? The star witness for the prosecution testified he made it to his apartment's back door well before the altercation. Do you realize how illogical this farcical scenario is?
Some people want so badly for this situation to not be about a thuggish teenager who returned to start a fight with a nosy neighbor and got himself killed for the trouble that they will use incredible contortions to manufacture scenarios that support their theory. I am beginning to wonder if people are really that damn stupid, or I am falling for trolls.
And how many 17-year-olds would go on the attack facing a handgun while armed with nothing but Skittles? Jesus. You Trayvon apologists just keep reaching further and further.
how can you possibly look at martin's behavior and not at all consider zimmerman's behavior?
That's the problem. Zimmerman's behavior and past were brought to court, but Martin's behavior was suppressed. The jurors were never made aware of his rants on Twitter, attempts to obtain a gun, school suspensions, investigation for burglary, bragging about a beatdown, etc... All inadmissible.
The other problem is that the mainstream media, where most Trayvon apologists got their "facts" and formed their opinions, skillfully ignored his patterns of behavior. Many of the "facts" that were presented, were erroneous when compared to the police reports, eye witness reports, and medical evidence. Remember the big mainstream media push saying Zimmerman was never injured and "proof" was a low resolution transcoded video? I do. We had "protests" in my city afterwards. Did you ever see the actual photos before the trial began? I doubt it.
Personally I call putting yourself in such a situation in the first place by stalking someone
I do not think you understand what stalking is. It's very difficult for me to take anyone serious that still claims Zimmerman was stalking. If you wish to conflate stalking with observing from a nearby distance, you have nothing of value to say. And as many problems as we have now in the USA, I am certainly glad that watching out over your own property when people you don't know are wandering around at night nearby is still legal and acceptable.
Which makes sense only if you manage to ignore all the eyewitness evidence, physical evidence and the prosecution's "star" witness. The altercation happened at the opposite end of the apartment building to where he was staying, and the "star" witness testified that Trayvon admitted he was at the back door of his father's apartment at some point during the call. He had to have left and walked to the other end of the building in order to be threatened by his "stalker."
Whether you like it or not, Zimmerman keeping an eye out for people he did not recognize in his apartment complex is minding his own business and acting in a peaceable manner. I appreciate it when my neighbors keep an eye on my place. My guests are civilized enough not to find it a threat or a reason to try to beat up my neighbors.
You are certainly ignorant. George Zimmerman was one quarter black. His maternal grandfather was black. He was one quarter Peruvian, and one half white.
The racist bullshit was put to bed during the trial by eyewitnesses and character witnesses. If you had a modicum of insight or information about the situation, you would quit embarrassing yourself by speaking about things you know nothing.
At least something like this can give Trayvon's murder [... nonsense redacted]
I will correct your ignorance. Trayvon was not murdered. The case went to court as all the bleating liberals wanted. Remember the bitching about "all we want is justice?" The jury had it's say and as everyone knows who actually watched the trial, got the decision correct. Even the prosecutors realized at the end that they didn't prove shit, and asked for manslaughter instead. Now they are facing judicial sanction motions for their behaviors. The state's attorney was even afraid to try to indict before a grand jury, and had to run a Hail Mary to bring the case to court. And the state of Florida is facing a $200,000 reimbursement bill for prosecuting a man with no evidence other than listening to idiots like yourself screaming murder. Despite all the hand wringing, belly aching, protesting, bitching, and complaining, George Zimmerman was cleared of wrongdoing, including manslaughter. Accept it. If you couldn't win this case with all the odds stacked in your favor, it was a slam dunk.
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I do. And part of that is to educate those misguided souls that support our government's ever increasing reach into every facet of our lives. As long as a law has popular support, lobbying lawmakers has no effect. By pointing out how ridiculous so many of these laws are to clueless lemmings whose knee jerk reaction to anything they disapprove is to jump up and down screaming, "There ought to be a law!", I can hopefully reduce popular support. The clueless unwashed masses are the reason these laws get passed in the first place.
You cannot legislate happiness or perfect safety.
And if you use Waze, keeps you up to date on road hazards, construction, and police traps.
I guess you've never seen a heads up display in cars. But hey, you just keep on advocating more state power and interference in the daily lives of its citizens. We don't have enough laws, prisons, fines and penalties to keep the citizenry in its proper place. It's for their own good.
The problem is that the US has a revenue problem AND a spending problem. The debt limit fiasco is an exercise in insanity with flirting with economic disaster by failing to recognize PAST debts that need to be paid are irrespective of future expenditures. Any action that threatens to destroy the historic low interest rates that the government has been enjoying is batshit crazy. If the whole train goes off the rails and the government has to start financing with 15% or 25% interest rates, the Congress will have no recourse but to raise taxes through the roof to cover interest in the public debt. The whole county will be in a world of hurt and the GOP can kiss the House majority bye-bye. This is a lose-lose situation for the GOP and the country.
I must admit I was stunned at my first personal experience with a "less than professional" cop when I was just a kid. I was involved in an accident and insisted on calling the police and doing things "the right way." There was no damage to my car and minimal damage to the other vehicle. The cop did not want to have to write the report and asked us to "work it out among ourselves" which meant I could not use my insurance.
He became childish, unpleasant and vindictive when I insisted he take a report and went so far as confiscate my drivers license. I had to go to court to get it back. This was a minor fender bender. I was astonished.
Years later, I was involved in another accident with a part time sheriff's deputy. I realized how "honest" police were when I watched him lie multiple times under oath during arbitration. My lawyer told me during proceedings that his doctor admitted that had ordered him to not cooperate with us and to ignore subpoenas. The doctor cooperated anyway and the guy ended up settling for the cost of repairs to his vehicle. As a side note, he defrauded Worker's Comp using the same incident. He claimed he was "on the clock" despite being less than a mile from his home between home and work and he was right on the path he would take to get to work. He also left the scene early telling me he was "late for work."
I view cops with suspicion now. The automatic trust is gone forever.
Seriously, I could give a shit what Best Buy, Amazon and Walmart say. They are all third parties and irrelevant to the issue at hand. The ONLY parties that matter are AMC and Apple. AMC and the Breaking Bad producers agree that season 5 has 16 episodes. A simple visit to the AMC website confirms this. Or you can Google numerous articles interviewing the producers.
You seem to be operating under the delusion that because others sell in a particular format, Apple is legally or honor bound to follow suit. This is not the case. Apple sold an iTunes SEASON pass, not a Amazon collection nor a Best Buy boxed set. And as I noted, Apple's backpedaling demonstrates that they realize that they did not deliver what they sold. Your attempts to muddy the water with what other retailers do is meaningless.
It's nice to see that even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary that your position is wrong, you still cling to it and stand alone. Even recalcitrant Apple wised up under the treat of a lawsuit.
Apple PRESOLD an item that they did not yet have. They offered a SEASON pass to a series. They collected money for items listed for sale on their iTunes site. Apple sets the rules and terms of service for offering items on their store. Looking at AMC's website (the only authority you seem to believe has any say on the definition of season) confirms that they did not deliver what AMC considers and identifies to be part of season 5. This has nothing to do with Best Buy selling a boxed set. Best Buy makes no promise (implied or explicit) to anything besides the goods they deliver. That is the difference. You need to re-evaluate your pathological need to exonerate Apple.
As for my understanding of contract law and copyrights (which incidentally has nothing to do with my argument and shows how far off base you are) we'll see how things turn out.
I broke my own rule about dropping this thread. Feel free to reply, but I won't be seeing it.
Your position is based entirely upon your opinion as well. I find it hard to believe that you have inside information of Apple's and AMC's contracts or even expertise on consumer protection case law, for that matter. Wait until the class action lawsuit is resolved before making such a generalized statement of authority.
And besides, it's just bad business. Sooner or later, this kind of customer treatment catches up with every business. Customers who believe they were treated poorly will do more damage to your business than making good on a promise that you should have never made.
For a season pass, not a half season.
As has been pointed out before, you cannot arbitrarily change what constitutes a season to a reasonable person after the purchase.
And besides, go check out AMCs website before making claims about "AMC gets to decide on the definition of a season." THEY SAY THERE ARE 16 EPISODES THEMSELVES. How about the "whats next" link: "Episode 515". Or click on the episode 14 photos link. The header says "Breaking Bad Season 5 Episode Photos." Duuuuuuuhhhhh.
As I said. AMC screwed Apple who then decided to screw their customers. Apple decided to offer a "SEASON" pass and then redefined the season after AMC got greedy. I don't care if it came out as two halves, Apple sold the season, not a half season.
If you went to your local grocer to buy a 12 pack of Coke they advertised and put down your money only to be served a six pack at the same cost you would be reasonably upset that they screwed you. I would take little consolation if their excuse was that Coca-Cola only sells in six packs now and I have to buy it twice to get the other half. You are a nitwit if you cannot see that. I don't give a shit about your lame copyright excuse. I'm not asking them to pirate or media shift or whatever the hell you were trying to obfuscate with. Apple should have eaten the cost of the second half or not offered a "season pass" to begin with. Don't sell shit if you can't deliver the goods.
If I purchased a car and got 28% less than the advertised mileage (which is in fact advertised by the manufacturer, not the dealer) I would still be talking to the dealer. I most likely was delivered a lemon and it would be either repairable or refundable under my state's lemon laws. If the manufacturer had fudged the numbers to the EPA and the issue was fleet wide, then the manufacturer should be sued of course. The issue is as to who advertised the "facts." In the case of Apple, Apple advertised and accepted payment for the "season" package and decided not to deliver a full season. It is irrespective of AMC. AMC never offered nor sold said package. Apple is in the wrong. They got screwed by their supplier and instead of sucking it up and delivering what they promised, they stuck it to their customers.
Compare that to the recent airline ticket fiasco with United Airlines. They decided it was in their best interest to honor FREE tickets which were offered to customers due to a software problem. They never intended to offer a ticket for free, but rather than screw a customer, who obviously knew it was a mistake when they ordered, United stood behind what they offered.
Apple's share of the US smartphone market is the best it is have ever been.
FTFY. You might want to read your graphic a little more carefully. Assuming the graphic is even accurate...
After wading through the gushing praise, I gleaned the following:
1 The "C" model will fail to sell well in the west.
2 The "S" model is not an iterative upgrade despite the same display as the 5 and no new unique features except the fingerprint scanner which you yourself report is not perfect and has weaknesses.
3 The biggest praise you give is for a faster CPU/GPU and higher clock rate. The 64bit update is a red herring until such time as phones ship with more that 4GB of RAM. I'm not holding my breath for than to happen.
4 You don't seem to understand what iterative means.
If you buy a Ford Mustang at a dealership and they deliver a Ford Escort, you wouldn't be suing Ford. When the salesman claims we only meant you get a half of a Mustang when we said Mustang, that wouldn't make you any happier. When the dealership claims you really bought a "Eddie Bauer Pony edition" Escort, that wouldn't make you want to sue Ford, would it? When they claim Ford decides what a Mustang really is anyway, that wouldn't make you want to sue Ford would it?
The issue is misleading advertising.
I think that the thing that makes me most angry is the way that mainstream media got the facts of the case so wrong and there is such a large contingency of people that cling to the idea that Zimmerman hunted down a small defenseless boy. Since the case was concluded and many of the facts have come out, I have seen a shift of the theory that Zimmerman started the altercation, into Zimmerman either stalked or brandished the gun, provoking Trayvon into attacking and at this point, there is little doubt that Trayvon did attack. The problem with this new theory is that it is incompatible with the facts and logic.
I really feel bad for Zimmerman. He has to live with the fact that he took someone's life. He was put through sixteen months of hell to defend himself. And there are a whole lot of people who will always believe he got away with murder, who really have no clue as to the facts of the case. He will never be safe due to the calls for vengeance. Ironically, the political leanings of these people generally aligns with those advocating tolerance and understanding.
Yet another fanciful scenario that defies logic and the facts. How do you then explain the bullet hole in Trayvon's chest if he "he got Zimmerman when he was going for his gun." Eyewitnesses admit the beating had been going on for a while before the shot was fired. Jayne Surdyka, the hysterical "crazy cat lady" (who tried her best to be a prosecution witness but ended up helping the defense) called 911 due to hearing the fight and that's how we heard the shot. She heard the screams for help. That call seemed interminable and who knows how long it was going on before she called.
If Trayvon jumped Zimmerman because he saw his "menacing gun" and fearful look in his eye, how did he end up with a bullet to the chest? Why did eyewitnesses not testify they were struggling over a gun? Why were there no fingerprints on the gun or powderburns and stippling on Trayvon's hands? The prosecution made hay out of that. If both parties were fighting over the gun, why did Zimmerman have the facial and head wounds? Why did John Good who was in very close proximity say Trayvon was raining down blows instead of they fought over a gun? For that matter, why did Trayvon return to Zimmerman at the opposite end of the apartment building if he was afraid or being menaced? The star witness for the prosecution testified he made it to his apartment's back door well before the altercation. Do you realize how illogical this farcical scenario is?
Some people want so badly for this situation to not be about a thuggish teenager who returned to start a fight with a nosy neighbor and got himself killed for the trouble that they will use incredible contortions to manufacture scenarios that support their theory. I am beginning to wonder if people are really that damn stupid, or I am falling for trolls.
And how many 17-year-olds would go on the attack facing a handgun while armed with nothing but Skittles? Jesus. You Trayvon apologists just keep reaching further and further.
Then/than
Than is used for the comparative, not then.
That's the problem. Zimmerman's behavior and past were brought to court, but Martin's behavior was suppressed. The jurors were never made aware of his rants on Twitter, attempts to obtain a gun, school suspensions, investigation for burglary, bragging about a beatdown, etc... All inadmissible.
The other problem is that the mainstream media, where most Trayvon apologists got their "facts" and formed their opinions, skillfully ignored his patterns of behavior. Many of the "facts" that were presented, were erroneous when compared to the police reports, eye witness reports, and medical evidence. Remember the big mainstream media push saying Zimmerman was never injured and "proof" was a low resolution transcoded video? I do. We had "protests" in my city afterwards. Did you ever see the actual photos before the trial began? I doubt it.
You have corroborated factual evidence wrong. Your opinion is moot. Try back again after you educate yourself.
I do not think you understand what stalking is. It's very difficult for me to take anyone serious that still claims Zimmerman was stalking. If you wish to conflate stalking with observing from a nearby distance, you have nothing of value to say. And as many problems as we have now in the USA, I am certainly glad that watching out over your own property when people you don't know are wandering around at night nearby is still legal and acceptable.
Which makes sense only if you manage to ignore all the eyewitness evidence, physical evidence and the prosecution's "star" witness. The altercation happened at the opposite end of the apartment building to where he was staying, and the "star" witness testified that Trayvon admitted he was at the back door of his father's apartment at some point during the call. He had to have left and walked to the other end of the building in order to be threatened by his "stalker."
Whether you like it or not, Zimmerman keeping an eye out for people he did not recognize in his apartment complex is minding his own business and acting in a peaceable manner. I appreciate it when my neighbors keep an eye on my place. My guests are civilized enough not to find it a threat or a reason to try to beat up my neighbors.
You are certainly ignorant. George Zimmerman was one quarter black. His maternal grandfather was black. He was one quarter Peruvian, and one half white.
The racist bullshit was put to bed during the trial by eyewitnesses and character witnesses. If you had a modicum of insight or information about the situation, you would quit embarrassing yourself by speaking about things you know nothing.
At least something like this can give Trayvon's murder [... nonsense redacted]
I will correct your ignorance. Trayvon was not murdered. The case went to court as all the bleating liberals wanted. Remember the bitching about "all we want is justice?" The jury had it's say and as everyone knows who actually watched the trial, got the decision correct. Even the prosecutors realized at the end that they didn't prove shit, and asked for manslaughter instead. Now they are facing judicial sanction motions for their behaviors. The state's attorney was even afraid to try to indict before a grand jury, and had to run a Hail Mary to bring the case to court. And the state of Florida is facing a $200,000 reimbursement bill for prosecuting a man with no evidence other than listening to idiots like yourself screaming murder. Despite all the hand wringing, belly aching, protesting, bitching, and complaining, George Zimmerman was cleared of wrongdoing, including manslaughter. Accept it. If you couldn't win this case with all the odds stacked in your favor, it was a slam dunk.