Oh noes! My feelings are hurt!
I'll quote it again (even though you did):
"Well that's the point of the factionalisation and faux-rivalry of US politics, isn't it? To get people so divided into their allegiance to a party name that you can then pull the same shit with either party and only 50% of the people will complain whilst the rest are obliged to rationalise it somehow."
My question is how is Obama "pulling the same shit?"
If you can answer that, you'll kick my ass in this discussion.
That's fine, but I guess my point is they are attempting to make this an equivalent of the war in Iraq. Which is just plain stupid.
Essentially the point the parent to my post is making (ambiguously) is "Bush invaded Iraq and everyone bitched, but Obama is doing 'military stuff' like associating NASA and DOD and he gets a free pass."
I've always said that they were a much smarter "opponent" than the USSR. They aren't afraid to try new things if it gives them some leverage. And they aren't afraid to skimp on their political doctrine if they are better off for it.
People have been predicting this kind of "competition" with China for years, possibly even decades. But very few have been listening.
China is effectively waging a one sided cold war against us. Bush wasn't paying attention, and he was distracted by conflicts with petty dictators.
I voted for Obama primarily due to him not being oblivious to *China's* challenge.
Put your partisan politics aside and ask yourself: Is this a good idea or a bad idea? If you think it's a good idea, then kindly stop the partisan whining.
If you think it's a bad idea, then say why.
Old Metallica fan here. It's strange but, they actually had a few good ones on load and reload, but the albums overall were not great.
Take for instance "Until it sleeps." I recall watching it at 19 when it came out, the video was retarded and lame. About a decade later I learned that the song was about cancer.
Listening to it again I was surprised by the depth that it had. I think they needed a better video - like the One video. Something more inline with the message in the song.
I guess I don't have a point but it seems more like they went to hit and miss rather than pure fail after the black album. I think the black album was pure fail though.
I tend to agree. I'm a huge fan of innovation, and this is fairly innovative. But I question the circumstances in which this type of innovation would be needed or even useful. Maybe I'm a dweeb, but I've never been to a party where 3 groups of people demanded to listen to different types of music simultaneously. For the family perspective, it seems odd having a head of household managing all the family's music. Frankly I wouldn't want my dad queueing my songs, he wouldn't know what I wanted to listen to and when. A localized solution would be better than a centralized one it seems.
This reminds me of "that guy" in the late 90s / early 2000s who spent 100s of dollars pimping out his Nokia cell phone with fancy ring tones and replacement parts. No one ever called the phone, he spent most of the time manually activating the ringer.
While the espionage from Israel does "count", it's just simply not as damaging as espionage from a 1.3 billion person strong country bent on overtaking our place in the world. Israel is not that, and despite their crime their intentions were to build nuclear weapons to gain an advantage against their neighbors. Not to gain an advantage on us.
You can compare apples to oranges in a sardonic and edgy way, but it doesn't make them the same.
It's also more difficult because more Chinese people are taught English, than Americans are taught Chinese, due to the simple economics of the language. So the pool from which we can send people there is very tiny. And then add that fact that it's not an open society.
Ok, how does a 15 minute lie detector test every month asking if you sold secrets to China sound?
Too much to ask?
Would it kill your productivity?
Just wondering.
Sounds like a great candidate for a policy change - make tests required for Secret information.
"Do you like making $80k a year as a government contractor? Well it's time to earn your pay."
It's not like they're asking them if they'd ever smoked pot, they're asking them if they sold secrets to foreigners. They should be able to pass that test in 5 minutes every month without breaking a sweat. If they don't like it they can feel free to work at Walmart.
The funny thing is, despite reassurances from our business people here in the US, the Chinese have affirmed time and again that they are a competitor to us and do intend to overtake us. This flies directly in the face of what any person with a business degree will tell you, but it's straight from the horses mouth.
I do not know how quoting Adam Smith can contradict these very obvious facts.
None of these people who sold us out were "field agents", they were all average joes that were American citizens or livedin America most of their lives, that sold us out for simple cash. The tests would (if nothing else) at least deter these people from selling us out, if not prevent it altogether.
I bet this guy is the same guy who said that "America doesn't manufacture anymore", when asked what we were going to do other than buying made in china. Duh - buy from other more deserving nations.
He got made a fool out of, and is now posting anonymously with a grudge attack on American currency.
Tada.
Oops I had posted this in the wrong section, but I feel it's worth reposting here.
"And how would you fill up your WalMarts? Americans don't manufacture anything anymore... "
I didn't know America was the only country on the planet other than China?
It's this kind of thinking that is holding the public back from taking action, stop spreading this nonsense around. Not buying Made in China =/= Only buying Made in USA.
India (for the win), Taiwan (for the win), Pakistan, Mexico, South America *.*, South Korea, Singapore, even Vietnam.. etc etc.
I'll buy from any "turrist" state, before I will buy from from China.
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he hasn't done crap.
Very interesting, because I was giving a canned response to a cliche post that read:
There's your "change we can believe in".
Either he hasn't done crap (good or bad), or he has. You can't have it both ways.
"Well that's the point of the factionalisation and faux-rivalry of US politics, isn't it? To get people so divided into their allegiance to a party name that you can then pull the same shit with either party and only 50% of the people will complain whilst the rest are obliged to rationalise it somehow."
My question is how is Obama "pulling the same shit?" If you can answer that, you'll kick my ass in this discussion.
That's fine, but I guess my point is they are attempting to make this an equivalent of the war in Iraq. Which is just plain stupid. Essentially the point the parent to my post is making (ambiguously) is "Bush invaded Iraq and everyone bitched, but Obama is doing 'military stuff' like associating NASA and DOD and he gets a free pass."
Well done, well done.
OTOH, I do like the X-Prize idea. A lot. Which means there's no chance in hell it'll ever materialize, not with socialists in power in the States.
Are you referring to Bush, or Obama?
So far, that is correct.
I've always said that they were a much smarter "opponent" than the USSR. They aren't afraid to try new things if it gives them some leverage. And they aren't afraid to skimp on their political doctrine if they are better off for it. People have been predicting this kind of "competition" with China for years, possibly even decades. But very few have been listening.
Effectively, your point is: "They are getting more powerful so we should let them get more powerful, or else they might get more powerful."
I voted for Obama and am more impressed than ever.
China is effectively waging a one sided cold war against us. Bush wasn't paying attention, and he was distracted by conflicts with petty dictators. I voted for Obama primarily due to him not being oblivious to *China's* challenge.
Hay guys! Let's change this space race discussion into a global warming flamewar! (crickets)
Giving NASA a closer relationship with the military is not the "same shit." If it is, then please cite when it was done before.
Put your partisan politics aside and ask yourself: Is this a good idea or a bad idea? If you think it's a good idea, then kindly stop the partisan whining. If you think it's a bad idea, then say why.
Old Metallica fan here. It's strange but, they actually had a few good ones on load and reload, but the albums overall were not great. Take for instance "Until it sleeps." I recall watching it at 19 when it came out, the video was retarded and lame. About a decade later I learned that the song was about cancer. Listening to it again I was surprised by the depth that it had. I think they needed a better video - like the One video. Something more inline with the message in the song. I guess I don't have a point but it seems more like they went to hit and miss rather than pure fail after the black album. I think the black album was pure fail though.
I tend to agree. I'm a huge fan of innovation, and this is fairly innovative. But I question the circumstances in which this type of innovation would be needed or even useful. Maybe I'm a dweeb, but I've never been to a party where 3 groups of people demanded to listen to different types of music simultaneously. For the family perspective, it seems odd having a head of household managing all the family's music. Frankly I wouldn't want my dad queueing my songs, he wouldn't know what I wanted to listen to and when. A localized solution would be better than a centralized one it seems.
This reminds me of "that guy" in the late 90s / early 2000s who spent 100s of dollars pimping out his Nokia cell phone with fancy ring tones and replacement parts. No one ever called the phone, he spent most of the time manually activating the ringer.
No, the real threat is China. Not some boogieman terrorist distraction from our real problems and competitors.
While the espionage from Israel does "count", it's just simply not as damaging as espionage from a 1.3 billion person strong country bent on overtaking our place in the world. Israel is not that, and despite their crime their intentions were to build nuclear weapons to gain an advantage against their neighbors. Not to gain an advantage on us.
You can compare apples to oranges in a sardonic and edgy way, but it doesn't make them the same.
When the hive mind comes for you, I'm sure they'll appreciate your balanced perspective.
It's also more difficult because more Chinese people are taught English, than Americans are taught Chinese, due to the simple economics of the language. So the pool from which we can send people there is very tiny. And then add that fact that it's not an open society.
Ok, how does a 15 minute lie detector test every month asking if you sold secrets to China sound? Too much to ask? Would it kill your productivity? Just wondering.
Sounds like a great candidate for a policy change - make tests required for Secret information.
"Do you like making $80k a year as a government contractor? Well it's time to earn your pay."
It's not like they're asking them if they'd ever smoked pot, they're asking them if they sold secrets to foreigners. They should be able to pass that test in 5 minutes every month without breaking a sweat. If they don't like it they can feel free to work at Walmart.
The funny thing is, despite reassurances from our business people here in the US, the Chinese have affirmed time and again that they are a competitor to us and do intend to overtake us. This flies directly in the face of what any person with a business degree will tell you, but it's straight from the horses mouth. I do not know how quoting Adam Smith can contradict these very obvious facts.
None of these people who sold us out were "field agents", they were all average joes that were American citizens or livedin America most of their lives, that sold us out for simple cash. The tests would (if nothing else) at least deter these people from selling us out, if not prevent it altogether.
I bet this guy is the same guy who said that "America doesn't manufacture anymore", when asked what we were going to do other than buying made in china. Duh - buy from other more deserving nations. He got made a fool out of, and is now posting anonymously with a grudge attack on American currency. Tada.
Oops I had posted this in the wrong section, but I feel it's worth reposting here.
"And how would you fill up your WalMarts? Americans don't manufacture anything anymore... "
I didn't know America was the only country on the planet other than China?
It's this kind of thinking that is holding the public back from taking action, stop spreading this nonsense around. Not buying Made in China =/= Only buying Made in USA.
India (for the win), Taiwan (for the win), Pakistan, Mexico, South America *.*, South Korea, Singapore, even Vietnam.. etc etc.
I'll buy from any "turrist" state, before I will buy from from China.