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5.1 Sound Card Delivers 3 Streams of iTunes

An anonymous reader writes "How do you distribute simultaneous streams of DRM-protected iTunes from a single computer to multiple rooms of the house? Autonomic Controls demonstrated a unique solution at the recent Electronic House Expo (EHX). The company's Media Control Server EX software turns a PC with a 5.1 sound card into a three-zone music distribution server. (Add a second card for six outputs). At EHX, the solution was demonstrated with a multiroom audio system from NuVo, whose keypads could be used to browse and select songs, playlists, genres, artists, etc. The Autonomic software merges WMA and iTunes files into a single library for easy access." I have mixed feelings about this: on one hand, this is a really clever idea and a cool hack. On the other hand, the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating.

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  1. Time is on our side... yes it is. by imstanny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have mixed feelings about this: on one hand, this is a really clever idea and a cool hack. On the other hand, the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating. DRM has never been a road block to innovation. At worst, it is a nuisance that will eventually be bypassed.
    1. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather not listen to music than jump through that many hoops to be able to enjoy it. Screw that.

    2. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by Entropius · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'd rather make my own music than jump through all those DRM hoops.

      You can buy a decent used piano, or a nice guitar, for the price of all that stuff. Want music? Go play some.

    3. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by lisaparratt · · Score: 4, Funny

      But I want to listen to psytrance, not acid house! :(

    4. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by glavenoid · · Score: 1

      In this case, I think DRM is moot, since most (?) soundcards allow one to read directly from their buffer (like connecting line out to line in, only through software), thus bypassing the DRM entirely. Vista is probably different since they changed the sound driver to protect DRM streams "to the speakers", but like you mention it'll eventually be bypassed.

      For those who want to try something similar (no DRM), you can easily use audacity to load multiple MP3's, FLAC, OGG or whatever and set each to play on a different channel. With a little scripting, you can have a neat multi-room, multi stream music server too!

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    5. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by mollymoo · · Score: 5, Funny

      You can buy a decent used piano, or a nice guitar, for the price of all that stuff. Want music? Go play some.

      I tried that, but once I managed to get the piano set up I had difficulty working out which pedals did what and I couldn't see through the windscreen very well. Frankly, I thought it was a little dangerous. Now I only drive while playing the oboe.

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    6. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > How do you distribute simultaneous streams of DRM-protected iTunes from a single computer to multiple rooms of the house?

      Strip the DRM altogether.

      Mind you if you've got a working brain you wouldn't be buying crippled products in the first place.

    7. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by Entropius · · Score: 1, Funny

      +1, Best Reply Evar

    8. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Funny

      Which airline do you work for?

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    9. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1, Funny

      She dosen't drive for an airline because she dosen't drink. DUH.

    10. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by TheLostSamurai · · Score: 2, Funny

      You can buy a decent used piano, or a nice guitar, for the price of all that stuff. Want music? Go play some. I tried that once but the guitar I bought was all messed up. It had all these strings where the buttons were supposed to be.
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    11. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by MadnessASAP · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right because everyone who buys music on iTunes is a retard right? According to Wikipedia iTunes has sold over 4 billion songs and out now the 2nd largest music provider. (Walmart was first) Now I couldn't find the # of individual users but I think you've just called quite a few people idiots. My guess would be they just don't care, they have an iPod and they have iTunes and everything just fucking works they don't care about backing up or fair use they just want to buy some music and put it on their iPod.

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    12. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by Sandbags · · Score: 1

      OK, I actually read the article because I had to see how stupid this really was...

      first, it sounds like by adding a 2nd sound card that 1 of them can play WMA while the other can play iTunes. You get 6 chanels, but you can only play 2 different songs at a time, and only if you have both a WMA library and iTunes. If you have only iTunes like I do, then all this is is a multicast system with up to 6 chanels.

      With a laptop, airtunes, appleTV, or any numer of other devices, you can use shared libraries to do this over wifi, and play different songs in each room at the same time... plus, you don't need a 2nd sound card, don't need dedicated speaker wiring to each room, don't need custom, proprietary controller panels in each room, shit you don't even need all your music on one machine. if you have a lot of WMA and iTunes tracks, run WMC and iTunes.

      So big deal, you have some iTunes DRM'd music and some WMA at the same time. unless we're talking about having hundreds of both, then you could simply convert the songs to non-DRM songs. You can do this in iTunes by 1) ripping to CD and back to MP3, 2) paying $0.29 each to upgrade to 256 bit non-DRM, or 3) crack the files. For WMA, if the application you like doesn't support DRM to CD encoding, then just crack the files.... Even if you had to do this true and legal, and you wanted to buy all new tracks in iTunes and eliminate WMA from your home, doing so for even 500 tracks or more will cost you less that this solution will, a LOT less.

      This product is complete lunacy, targeted at morons who don't know any better.

      iTunes already supports multiple streams and complete control at each endpoint.

      If you want an integrated system, I can hook you up with companies that install in-home room to room paging panels that support MP3 and FM playback from a central server. a 5 room, 5 panel installation, including speakers, will run you $3000-4000 and all you need is an XP box or NAS device to put all the music files on. (and you could STILL use iTunes on wifi outside on the deck, by the pool, etc).

      this "itty bitty" company the author loves so much is going to be bankrupt soon...

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    13. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by SlashWombat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By definition, 50% of the worlds population has an IQ that is "less" than ordinary ... So, yes there are a LOT of idiots out there. Obviously, a fair percentage have also managed to post on various forums out there. :-)

    14. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by modecx · · Score: 1

      I've told this many a time, and even a couple times here on /. Due to the relevance, I just have to share it again, though:

      One time, when I was 12-13 years old or so, my dad and I were driving down east bound I-70, outside of Denver, CO--at about Quebec for those who are locals. We were in the left hand lane, pretty much alone on the highway, far ahead of the rest of the cars, doing about 70MPH--and this was when the speed limit nation wide was 55. Some guy in a Honda sneaks up and passes us on the right... He was wearing a tux and was playing a freaking flute--he was driving the car with his knees. I kid you not. No shit.

      I have to admit, he was doing remarkably well considering the circumstances; he must have been very practiced. Normally, my dad would catch up and investigate such an oddity, but we both thought better of not trying. Still, the driving flautist did drive much better than most drivers (if they can be called that) who talk on the cell and drive. So, I have to give 'em kudos at the effort.

      So, once again, kudos to you, Mr. Driving Flautist man, and to ditch you undoubtedly ended up in.

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    15. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Boy, I wouldn't want to be the policeman to find you in a front-on collision.

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    16. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by MadnessASAP · · Score: 1

      I'll ignore the fact that IQ isn't actually a measurement of intelligence because it does happen to be useful as a rough benchmark. But idiot is defined as anyone with an IQ below 20 now on a bell curve with the average being 100 you will find profoundly few people who have an IQ of 20 or below. Now foolish people on the other hand, I see those all the time in fact I saw one just now.

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    17. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      >>>"the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating."

      Yes it is.

      I think I'll just buying music. That will be the ultimate outcome if music companies keep insisting upon making music a CHORE instead of a pleasure. People will just quit.

      Fortunately there's still ~1500 years of public domain music out there (monk chants, baroque, classical, romantic) that I can download and hear for free. I don't need to buy their modern "pop" music if they insist upon treating me like a thief & making things difficult.

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    18. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by OmegaWolf747 · · Score: 1

      The only solution is to refuse to buy any music DRM protected.

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  2. Simple by jpmorgan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whatever happened to the right tool for the right job? Screw iTunes and buy DRM-free music from Amazon.

    1. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or buy DRM-free music from ITMS.

    2. Re:Simple by mollymoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      iTunes DRM doesn't stop you playing your music on multiple devices. With DRM-ed iTunes tracks the devices would have to be computers or iPods; with DRM-free music (which plenty of people, including iTunes, sell) they'd have to be computers or any old MP3 player. You could burn a CD using either and use the CD player you already have. Not that I like DRM, I don't, but in this example iTunes reasonably permissive DRM doesn't present a very big hurdle.

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    3. Re:Simple by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Well iTunes also has non-DRM Music too. But the issue is what happends when you are stuck with DRM. Amazon doesn't have all the titles that iTunes has. And buying a CD and ripping it is expensive compared to a $0.99 download. And sometimes people want to stay in bounds of the system, Except for Screwing the Man, Just leave the Man alone and he wont get after you.

      DRM is not Evil, it is an Overreaction by the media companies. They have rights to protect their works from copyrite violation. But DRM is a Overreaction to the problem. Like saying Cars are bad for the envrioment and demand everyone to use hourses, while improving one part of the envrioment cause other problems which are far worse then Global Warming (Sanation issues, Logistics problems, Poverity...)

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    4. Re:Simple by Moonpie+Madness · · Score: 1

      I just wanted to note that you can "burn a cd" by making an .iso file that you then "rip" drm free .mp3 files from. It's a pain in the ass, but it's free as in beer.

      It's your music. You probably own half of it on CD. Circumvent the DRM as an act of civil disobedience. I get my music from itunes and use an ipod. I don't bother with torrent for music, and the DRM doesn't directly impact my life much... in fact, I have to reinput all the id3 stuff by removing the DRM...

      yet all 10,000 of my songs have no DRM on them. Not only as an insurance policy, but because DRM is wrong.

    5. Re:Simple by op12 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Amazon doesn't have all the titles that iTunes has.
      That's unlikely, they have way more titles:

      Apple now has 2 million songs from EMI and independent labels available without DRM, out of its 6 million-song catalog. Amazon offers 4.5 million DRM-free songs.
    6. Re:Simple by kyofunikushimi · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that iTunes' DRM not only restricted the number of devices you could play the track on (3), but even restricted the number of times you could burn a playlist containing that song to a CD (7, I believe). Am I wrong? Or just going by outdated information?

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    7. Re:Simple by kyofunikushimi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ah. Fairplay restrictions (quoted from Wikipedia):

      FairPlay-encrypted audio tracks allow the following:

              * The track may be copied to any number of iPod portable music players.[1]
              * The track may be played on up to five (originally three) authorized computers simultaneously.[1]
              * A particular playlist within iTunes containing a FairPlay-encrypted track can be copied to a CD only up to seven times (originally ten times) before the playlist must be changed.[2]
              * The track may be copied to a standard Audio CD any number of times.[2]
                          o The resulting CD has no DRM and may be ripped, encoded and played back like any other CD. However, CDs created by users do not attain first sale rights and cannot be legally leased, lent, sold or distributed to others by the creator.
                          o The CD audio still bears the artifacts of compression, so converting it back into a lossy format such as MP3 may aggravate the sound artifacts of encoding (see transcoding). When re-ripping such a CD one could use a lossless audio codec such as AIFF, Apple Lossless, FLAC or WAV however such files take up significantly more space than the original .m4p files

      At this time, it appears that the restrictions mentioned above are hard-coded into QuickTime and the iTunes application, and not configurable in the protected files themselves.

      An artifact of Fairplay is that it prevents iTunes customers from using the purchased music directly on any portable digital music player other than the Apple iPod, Motorola ROKR E1, Motorola SLVR, Motorola RAZR V3i,or iPhone.

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    8. Re:Simple by mcpkaaos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      iTunes DRM doesn't stop you playing your music on multiple devices. iTunes DRM stops your from playing your music on more than five computers. Once you hit that limit, you better hope you have access to the other machines to de-authorize them, otherwise you are stuck with resetting your auth completely (which you can only do once per year, if I remember correctly). This has bitten me more than once.

      You could burn a CD using either and use the CD player you already have. I don't want to burn a CD every time I buy something from iTunes just so I can listen to it on the way to work. It's annoying, cumbersome, and incredibly wasteful. Besides, if I'm going to burn music to a CD, I'm going to burn the MP3 and fit 10x the music on there (there are plenty of modern CD players that can handle this).

      iTunes reasonably permissive DRM doesn't present a very big hurdle I suffered iTunes for quite a while, hoping to figure out an easy way to deal with their DRM (like monitoring the directory I download the songs to and have QTFU automatically strip the DRM for me in a script). It worked, but it was a pain in the ass to manage and really didn't scale all that well with a huge library. Then I thought, "Why the hell am I jumping through all these hoops just so I can listen to music that I already paid for?"

      I am with the parent poster. Screw iTunes.
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    9. Re:Simple by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

      Actually, in any scenario where I would have the ability to implement something like this, I am usually listening to a shoutcast stream, and not my own collection anyway.

      But even so, I don't own any DRM'd music anyway.

    10. Re:Simple by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      Amazon doesn't have all the titles that iTunes has.

      That's unlikely, they have way more titles:


      Not relevant. Having *more* titles is not a guarantee that Amazon's library is a superset of iTunes. Simple example: iTunes has the song "FU" by the group "BAR" while Amazon does not have that particular song.

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    11. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Circumvent the DRM as an act of civil disobedience.

      It's not civil disobedience, because it's not illegal. Selling circumvention devices (software counts as a device) is illegal. You should know what the DMCA says, before you protest it.

      I should really start a Slashdot's myth page. Here's the facts: ISPs are not common carriers and the RIAA doesn't sue people for downloading music.

      Wake up people!

    12. Re:Simple by stewbacca · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Once you hit that limit, you better hope you have access to the other machines to de-authorize them, otherwise you are stuck with resetting your auth completely (which you can only do once per year, if I remember correctly). This has bitten me more than once. You have to be kidding or exaggerating. Since the first iPod and iTunes v.1.0, I've owned seven iPod devices and six computers with iTunes installed and have never come close to needing to reset my authorizations completely. Five computers and an unlimited number of iPods is MORE than plenty for the overwhelming majority of users out there. Resetting an account one time a year is also very reasonable, in case of that rare time I go through FIVE computers in one year and forget to deauthorize them.
    13. Re:Simple by mollymoo · · Score: 1

      Clue: 6 million is more than 4.5 million.

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    14. Re:Simple by mcpkaaos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You have to be kidding or exaggerating. No, and no. Your use case is not my use case.
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    15. Re:Simple by His+Shadow · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You have to be kidding or exaggerating.


      There is no amount of whining that is sufficient for some people. If an iPod gave you no strings attached sex for the rest of your life, dorks would complain because it didn't make your breakfast.

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    16. Re:Simple by mcpkaaos · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I never said anything about an iPod. I was talking about the restrictions imposed by the DRM-laden m4p format.

      Next time you indirectly troll me, try to understand my point before sticking your foot in your mouth. Or better yet, keep it to yourself unless you have something remotely interesting to contribute.

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    17. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Unless your group of choice happens to not be on EMI? IIRC the ITMS DRM-free selection is a little limited.

    18. Re:Simple by TheBig1 · · Score: 1

      Have you been able to do that on the Mac, or only on Windows? I can't seem to find a way to do this on the Mac, although I would be very interested in finding out how.

      Cheers

    19. Re:Simple by stewbacca · · Score: 1
      Well, from what I've been reading in the past year or so on slashdot (thanks to Mr. Idontbelieveinintellectualproperty-guy), it isn't really whining as much as it is irrational dislike for a product supported by exaggerated, anecdotal (and most likely not even true) evidence about how some DRM scheme has suddenly rendered their $1.5 million music collection useless.

      I get it that some people are very sensitive when it comes to DRM, whether it be because they like to pirate music and stick it to the man, or they are indeed that 1% of the population who really are negatively affected by DRM restrictions, or any other number of legitimate or illegitimate purposes. Apple has at least made painful concessions to both the user and the industry and come up with a pretty good compromise that has minimal affect on 99% of the users out there. Some people just don't want there to be ANY concessions to the big-bad record industry, and thus nearly everything they post on slashdot displays that bias. Rarely do I hear a good argument that iTunes or iPods suck because they perform poorly.

    20. Re:Simple by Moonpie+Madness · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid I don't really know about the mac, but you can always run Windows on a virtual machine or get a very cheap windows box or even run Linux.

      I'm guessing there has got to be a way to make an .iso file on a mac though... just seems like a basic capability. A quick google seems to indicate people do that... can you take the .iso and rip it into .mp3s? I have no idea, my friend.

    21. Re:Simple by TheBig1 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I can make an .iso, but I don't know how to 'burn' an audio CD to that .iso. Oh well, it's an academic question anyway, as I don't support DRM'd music. Just curious. Cheers

    22. Re:Simple by Moonpie+Madness · · Score: 1

      You know, my friend, there are other laws out there. Have you heard of the NET act? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NET_Act

      But generally, the DCMA also is wrong. The Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 states that "no person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under [copyright law]."

      The exceptions to this law are things like e-reader books for disabled people or for obsolete formats. Selling circumenvention tools is covered by a different section and isn't really relevant to what I'm talking about. And who the RIAA sues is also irrelevant (but they can sue anyone for anything).

      While you're certainly right that no one gives a crap about what I'm doing, since I'm not distributing my files or even downloading them illegally ... I'm still technically in violation of a law.

      (and yeah, it's certainly illegal to download files you didn't pay for)

      This is about fundamental property rights, and my disagreement with the copyright holders over what I own when I buy a song on itunes. It's not really about my concerned with the RIAA, and I don't even mind much when they go after people who are distributing thousands of songs to people who never paid for them. Piracy is not civil disobedience, it's often just douchebaggery.

    23. Re:Simple by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      It's annoyingly easy to go through "computers" when you realize that "computer" actually means "OS install."

      I've gone through something like 3 authorized "computers" in a week thanks to failing hardware necessitating first a reinstall attempt (computer #2, couldn't deauthorize #1 since it wouldn't boot) and finally a new computer (computer #3, couldn't deauthorize #2 since it wouldn't boot).

      Before anyone asks about "why reinstall if the hardware failed" the first attempt I figured that Windows XP was simply being an old Windows XP installation and some program had trashed something. It was only after the reinstall that I realized something was really wrong with the hardware - I never did debug it down to what. Possibly memory related, possibly motherboard related.

      So, yes, it's entirely possible to go through quite a few "computers" within a year. If you want to go the "trash Microsoft" route we can blame that on Windows. Fortunately for me that was a single instance, but along with an unrecoverable work laptop (computer #4, computer #5 being the replacement), I'm up to five "authorized" computers and only two which really exist and can be deauthorized.

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    24. Re:Simple by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      If you want to go the "trash Microsoft" route we can blame that on Windows. Looks like you already took care of that for me. In fairness, I have 2 PCs and 3 Macs with iTunes, and none of them have ever had the issue you claim, even though I have reinstalled WinXP a couple of times and probably an OSX reinstall at least one time. Interestingly enough, I run Bootcamp on one of my Macs, and run iTunes on it as well, and it doesn't seem to count as one of my 5 authorized machines, because that would put me at 6 computers in my house using the same iTunes purchased tracks. Maybe I'm was forgetful or not paying attention when I did my OS reinstalls, but not having those events count against my 5 authorized accounts makes your claim a bit dubious to me. I could be wrong, though.

      I'm up to five "authorized" computers and only two which really exist and can be deauthorized. So I still have to ask...you still think one time a year to reset back to 5 machines is limiting? Do you really expect to go through your described scenario more than once per year (if even ever again)? I ask in all seriousness, because I really think you are a rare case and it is unfairly biasing your view towards what seems like a perfectly fair trade-off.
    25. Re:Simple by stone2020 · · Score: 1

      Of course thats at the Apple DRM-free inflated price. Sorry, I will not reward a company for screwing people over in the first place and then having to pay extra to do what I want with something I own.

    26. Re:Simple by Phroggy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Although they still charge $0.30 per track to upgrade existing DRM-encumbered tracks to non-DRM tracks, they no longer charge a higher price to buy non-DRM (iTunes Plus) tracks.

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    27. Re:Simple by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Call me old-fashioned, but I still buy CDs the traditional way, often second-hand then rip them with the help of MusicBrainz or Freedb.

      The result: Several gigs of DRM-Free Ogg Vorbis bliss on an NFS server that I can play in any room whenever I want. Or play in my car, or my handheld.

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    28. Re:Simple by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      I don't want to burn a CD every time I buy something from iTunes just so I can listen to it on the way to work. It's annoying, cumbersome, and incredibly wasteful. Besides, if I'm going to burn music to a CD, I'm going to burn the MP3 and fit 10x the music on there (there are plenty of modern CD players that can handle this). Not to justify the stupid DRM, but you can use a CD-R which avoids the "wasteful" part of that.

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    29. Re:Simple by Kalriath · · Score: 2, Funny

      Crap dammit. I meant CD-RW.

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    30. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eventually you may have to come to terms with the fact that your use case is fucking ridiculous.

    31. Re:Simple by ozbird · · Score: 1

      # USE="-drm" emerge music
    32. Re:Simple by mcpkaaos · · Score: 1

      You misunderstand. My requirements are simple: I pay for the music and you don't tell me when, where, or how I can listen to it. What is so ridiculous about that?

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  3. Tech just isn't here yet... by FredFredrickson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm still waiting for a good solution to provide audio throughout my house.

    I've always loved the fact that through Yahoo Music (or Rhapsody) you can access any music you'd like via subscription. Greatest Party Toy ever!

    I've purchased many toys to try to accomplish bringing this to my livingroom, and my results have been varied. I purchased the D-Link DSM320 Media Lounge. This wireless player hooked up to a UPNP server on my computer and played music (and video) in my livingroom, with TV-Remote browsing. The problem: It only integrated with my personal library. No full 2-million track searching. This of course was a problem, because at parties, I want people to take full advantage of the 2 million tracks available (and I don't want to add justin timberlake to my personal library, just because people at a party want to hear him).

    I've tried a sansa connect (mp3 player). This was the best solution yet, although it was a small mp3 player, it connects via wireless network and allows the full catalog search. Yahoo Music has just announced they're closing and the Sansa Connect no longer will offer this functionality.

    I've tried Napster's Media Center Plugin- but it crashes regularly.

    I know that Tivo now offers functionality with Rhapsody- but I don't have cable, and I don't want to pay Tivo's subscription (not to mention high price for hardware I won't use).

    And of course there's Sonos- which has EXACTLY what I want, for about 4 times a reasonable price.

    I've chronicaled my adventures for anybody looking to learn from my mistakes: Digital Wireless Audio Age , and my review of the DSM-320 and 520.

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    1. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by argent · · Score: 2, Informative

      What's wrong with a low end mini-itx box with passive cooling?

    2. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by FredFredrickson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well the other half of the battle is getting something that looks good on a TV screen. Media Center would be perfect -but I've already tried this. It will only stream my current library- not integrate with the subscription services. And even then- it's clunky for providing sound to multiple rooms

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    3. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by shark72 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I enjoy the heck out of my Squeezebox Duet. A two-room system would be about $550, which is about half the Sonos price, so I guess it would be 2X a reasonable price for you. But it's still great.

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    4. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by earnest+murderer · · Score: 2, Informative

      What's wrong with a Airport Express? A hundred bucks per output. And a $25 more for a copy of Airfoil to patch your subscription service into that.

      I've been doing it for 4 years now (give or take) and love it. Had it come out a year earlier I could have saved a lot of dough on a high end CD player.

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    5. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by FredFredrickson · · Score: 1

      Holy cow! This is new and exciting! Thanks for the recommendation I'm going to check it out. By any chance do you know if it integrates with Rhapsody's catalog (different than just your library, the ability to search for new music..) ??

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    6. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by rfunk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I synch together a SlimDevices Squeezebox v3, an old SLIMP3, and a couple machines running the SoftSqueeze Java client, all clients to a server running the SlimServer/SqueezeCenter Perl server.

    7. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by rfunk · · Score: 1
    8. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      How about a cheap laptop? get one with TV out and wifi (even my cheapo acer has that covered), get a wireless keyboard and mouse and just leave it with the lid down on top of your hifi stack or whereever

    9. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by radish · · Score: 1

      I'll also repeat the recommendations for any of the Squeezebox product line (from Slim Devices, now part of Logitech). Fantastic audio quality, amazing support and full of creamy open source goodness. Look me up on their forums if you need any help with anything.

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    10. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

      Look into the Roku Soundbridge. Great little device. And it has a fully documented network control protocol, so you can write your own utilities to control it (and even write to its display). It took me all of 5 minutes to have my existing callerid daemon write to it, for example.

      Sounds great, has a nice interface, and takes literally minutes to set up (mine grabbed my neighbor's wifi before I even had a chance to configure it. DOH!).

    11. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes; with the Duet, you can search and browse Rhapsody right from the remote. It's an amazing piece of equipment, easily the coolest gadget I've ever bought.

    12. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      Have you tried a squeezebox ( http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html )? It's open source, has binaries for Windows, Mac OS X, and linux (including a repository for Debian/Ubuntu). I've had one for a couple years and it's a nice way to listen to my music in the living room without having an extra computer there or the TV on.

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    13. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by Machtyn · · Score: 1

      I've tried a sansa connect (mp3 player). This was the best solution yet, although it was a small mp3 player, it connects via wireless network and allows the full catalog search. Yahoo Music has just announced they're closing and the Sansa Connect no longer will offer this functionality.

      Do you have a link for this? I'm not doubting, I just want to get a starting point on this. I got a Sansa Connect for Christmas (not for this feature, but it was some cool icing on the cake). Particularly, I'm wondering because they use Linux on the Sansa Connect with mono for .NET features. I was hoping to get a device that would allow me to play Ogg files (which it doesn't support and probably will not because they won't open the system to allow modders to give it that functionality.) I'm suspecting this is in part because of their agreement with Yahoo!. But if they discontinue that service, I wonder what becomes of Sansa Connect users.

    14. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by FredFredrickson · · Score: 1
      From the Link you just posted:

      Note that you cannot browse the full Rhapsody music catalog from the SqueezeBox or web UI.
      *Sigh* Maybe some day..
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    15. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by FredFredrickson · · Score: 1
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    16. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by FredFredrickson · · Score: 1
      Good news- found this:

      Press Release -

      In an industry first, consumers can search Rhapsody's library for specific artists, albums and songs and then instantly play back selections via the intuitive Squeezebox and Transporter remote interface without ever having to interact with a PC.
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    17. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 1

      Add additional Squeezebox Receivers and listen to a different song in each room, or synchronize them and hear the same music everywhere.
      Reciever Details That right there is what I've been wanting, especially the sync. Thanks! Unfortunately the Receivers are not available yet.

      Jonah HEX
    18. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by cypherz · · Score: 1

      Doing the same thing here. The devices Airfoil can stream to, don't count towards the "five computer limit" either.

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    19. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by shark72 · · Score: 1

      I guess I'm not sure what's meant by integration with Rhapsody's catalog, but here's what I can do with Rhapsody with the controller that came with my Duet:

      • Access my library (ie stuff I've added using the controller or the Rhapsody software)
      • Search the Rhapsody library by artist, album, track, composer or keyword
      • Browse playlists and channels
      • Access the Music Guide, with new releases / staff picks / just added, etc. along with browsing by genre, top artists / albums / tracks.

      In short, while it's certainly a different interface, I believe I can do just about anything with the Duet's controller that I can with Rhapsody's interface on my PC. Searching for music is clunkier, as I'm using the controller's iPod-style scroll wheel to enter a search term, vs. just typing a search term on my PC.

      The wiki entry appears to refer to the older Squeezebox, which has a very simple VFD display (good enough for most things but apparently not enough for getting full access to Rhapsody). But the color display on the Duet controller is a different story.

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    20. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by argent · · Score: 1

      Well the other half of the battle is getting something that looks good on a TV screen.

      So. At least it isn't a hardware problem.

    21. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by shark72 · · Score: 1

      I had an Airport Express. It was cheap, but non-interactive -- I had to run back to my computer to change music. It was good for setting up a long playlist to stream for a party, but that was about it.

      The Squeezebox Duet (which a few people besides me have recommended) has an interactive controller which feeds my music attention deficit disorder quite nicely. And, as has been pointed out, it's open source, so if the controller doesn't do what you like, you can make it bend to your will.

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    22. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by russellh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have music throughout my house. . Lots of ceiling speakers indoors, and six outdoor speakers as well. Two amps - one run via iPod, one connected to a computer. It's wired up the good old fashioned analog way. But I suppose you mean and with the ability for any room to have its own different audio. That is still very expensive. And the fact is, I think it is absurd because it just cannot be cost justified versus a bunch of second-hand iPods each sync'd to a common computer. Ok, maybe you have a terabyte of music: well, then, have a few iPods. While I'd love to splurge on some fantastic super automated remote control solution, the bunch-of-ipods solution is still by far cheaper. It's easy and reliable to sync an iPod. Plus you don't need a media server running 24/7 when that one time you really, really need to access it, the network is down or it's crashed. You know it.

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    23. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by pla · · Score: 1

      I'm still waiting for a good solution to provide audio throughout my house.

      The solution exists, it just depends on exactly what you mean by your statement...

      If you mean manual remote selection from a central fileserver, you need nothing more than one totally-barebones PC (don't even need an HDD, just boot Knoppix) per location you want sound. Plus the file server, of course.

      If you mean centrally (or at least, single-point) controlled playback of multiple playlists in several remote locations, set up an IceCast server with as many channels as you want, and have each remote box point to its own dedicated stream. You can even control the streams via web admin from any of those remote sites, if you wanted that level of functionality.

      As for each individual box - Talkin' bout a sub-$100 Chips/ECS/Jetway microatx board with onboard 5.1 sound, networking, and TV/VGA out. Add a case, 256MB, and a DVD-ROM drive, and you have everything you need (except speakers, which depending on your intended audience may add almost nothing to the cost, or may dwarf the cost of the PC itself).

    24. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by earnest+murderer · · Score: 1

      I had an Airport Express. It was cheap, but non-interactive -- I had to run back to my computer to change music. It was good for setting up a long playlist to stream for a party, but that was about it.



      The Squeezebox Duet (which a few people besides me have recommended) has an interactive controller which feeds my music attention deficit disorder quite nicely. And, as has been pointed out, it's open source, so if the controller doesn't do what you like, you can make it bend to your will.

      Hard to argue with that... This was one of the things I expected (ha!) Apple to do with the iPhone. Instead I can buy more iTunes with it. Could be worse I guess.
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    25. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by smitty97 · · Score: 2, Informative

      For remote control, use one of the iPhone/Touch programs: Touchpad Pro or Telekinesis. I'm sure there are others.

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    26. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by MojoStan · · Score: 1

      But I suppose you mean and with the ability for any room to have its own different audio. That is still very expensive. And the fact is, I think it is absurd because it just cannot be cost justified versus a bunch of second-hand iPods each sync'd to a common computer. Ok, maybe you have a terabyte of music: well, then, have a few iPods. While I'd love to splurge on some fantastic super automated remote control solution, the bunch-of-ipods solution is still by far cheaper. I guess you missed the part (mentioned throughout the GP's comment) about playing/searching the 2 million+ tracks from a subscription music service. The GP mentioned that playing from just a personal library is not enough.
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    27. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      I wanted a system similar to what you describe, with small touch-sensitive displays in each room connected back to a central music server, with browse and buy options when needed. Then I saw how much it would cost...

      I think that the best option by far is to leverage the direction of commercial music technology. Buy an iPod or equivalent for each room, and load it with your entire music collection. No, it doesn't solve any of the other issues you raise, but it can be done incredibly cheaply given how the consumer market has driven down the prices for portable digital media players.

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    28. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by radish · · Score: 1

      That wiki page is out of date (aren't they all?!). As of the latest release of the server Rhapsody is fully integrated, with a sub you can play anything without any advance downloading.

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    29. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by radish · · Score: 1

      Well my media server doesn't crash, even though it runs XP :) I have $300 players in a bunch of rooms. A lttle more than a second hand ipod for sure, but the sound quality is way better, I have access to my whole collection (well over a TB) without having to resync them all manually, I can choose whether to play the same thing in each room or sync playback between rooms, plus I can listen to podcasts, internet radio etc all live. Oh and there's Pandora, Rhapsody and Slacker support. And I have remote controls with displays large enough to be read from a distance, plus a web interface for browsing the library, managing playlists etc.

      So a little more expensive than your solution, but a hell of a lot more functionality. Oh and it's all open source.

      Linky: Slimdevices

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    30. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by anjrober · · Score: 1

      i've had 4 sonos ZPs for a few years now. It's so worth it.

    31. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      I looked around, and the Nuvo essentia system looks like it would allow pretty good house audio for $4-5k. Not cheap, but not really insane either - a lot of that is getting 6 sets of decent speakers.

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    32. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by interiot · · Score: 1

      1) Route sound around with cat5. Seriously. It transmits signals up to 100mhz, so audio frequencies are a cinch. I don't know though if you need differential drivers at each end or not.

      2) Get a decent RF remote control (eg. the Gyration one) or RF keyboard, and make those keystrokes control your music apps via AutoHotkey. This is the DIY route, but AutoHotkey is fast, light, and can do almost everything.

    33. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by russellh · · Score: 1

      So a little more expensive than your solution, but a hell of a lot more functionality. Oh and it's all open source.
      Yes, the additional functionality I'd get would be a centralized music repository. I'm not ready to run a server or a NAS at my house though. When I am, the slim devices thing is definitely the way I'd go. But still, consider the cost of the two end points and one server, the UPS, the backups, etc. Is it our fate to run a datacenter in our house just to manage music and movies (and photos)? Save me, seriously. Plus you still have to wander around to manually power on your amps. I'm all over the slimserver and the squeezebox in principle, but I just can't justify it yet. Till then, it's an old ipod or three.
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    34. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by westlake · · Score: 1
      I've always loved the fact that through Yahoo Music (or Rhapsody) you can access any music you'd like via subscription. Greatest Party Toy ever!

      Denon has integrated Ethernet, WiFi, vTuner Internet radio and Rhapsody into its high end HT receivers. HD radio is standard. The iPod dock and XM satellite radio optional.

      The set-up and programming of one of these beasts should keep a geek usefully occupied for weeks.

    35. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by russellh · · Score: 1

      I guess you missed the part (mentioned throughout the GP's comment) about playing/searching the 2 million+ tracks from a subscription music service. The GP mentioned that playing from just a personal library is not enough.
      Well I do have a computer with audio out to an amp, so I could subscribe to a service. The important thing here is that the amp goes to an analog speaker selector not terribly unlike this which goes to a lot of speakers wired throughout the house (ceiling speakers). In my case, I don't need or want separate audio sources for different rooms, so I can get away with this. Wouldn't I need a separate amplifier for each set of speakers otherwise, if I wanted independent music streams to different rooms?
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    36. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by russellh · · Score: 1

      I looked around, and the Nuvo essentia system looks like it would allow pretty good house audio for $4-5k. Not cheap, but not really insane either - a lot of that is getting 6 sets of decent speakers.
      I think I have just barely decent speakers. But then, I'd rather have super quality headphones than super quality house speakers (except in a home theater). Life in my house is just too noisy for me to care all that much, especially outside. I'm no audiophile, as anyone could tell by my ipod comment...
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    37. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by FredFredrickson · · Score: 1

      I just wanted to let you know- After drooling over this all day- I .. uh.. seriously just purchased it. Well, the basic deal (one receiver & Remote) but I will most likely be getting one or two more receivers before the end of the month. Thanks for the recommendation!!

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    38. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by radish · · Score: 1

      I don't know about a "datacenter", but I don't think having a machine on 24/7 is very unusual, particularly around slashdot! My server is also a print server, provides remote backups for the other machines around the house, runs BT and Tor clients, etc as well as serving music with SqueezeCenter and video with TVersity. Given that it was basically free from spare parts, the only cost is power (about 50W avg, so roughly $60 a year), not bad. I haven't seen a need to run a UPS for it.

      I probably have 6 or 7 slimdevices units around the house on average (it varies - I do a lot of community support on their forums so I need a diverse setup!) so they are the significant cost, but music (and access to it) is important enough to me to warrant it. Plus, SD are well known for rewarding contributors well, so if you don't have the cash just start churning out some perl and watch the mailbox!

      Finally, whilst I do run "real" amps in a couple of locations, most of the less important listening rooms (bedrooms, offices, etc) have auto-sensing powered speakers (audioengine) so it's all pretty easy. You could even use something like X10 if you wanted to switch power amps on and off from another room (there are plugins for SqueezeCenter which integrate with X10 or IR control systems to make it seamless).

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  4. Alsa by AceJohnny · · Score: 1

    If I recall some old experimentations, this is quite feasible technically with my good old SBLive and ALSA, by breaking out the outputs as different sound cards in your .asoundrc. Anybody got details?

    And yes, I realize having something "techically feasible" is completely different from "work like a charm with the click of a button" :)

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    1. Re:Alsa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yes, I use a .asoundrc file to enable two MythTV front-ends to run on the same computer and output two separate audio streams. One stream goes to front left/right and the other goes to rear left/right. It works great.

    2. Re:Alsa by Bitmanhome · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this sort of thing is dead easy under ALSA. You can peel off as many channels as you want from however many sound cards you've installed.

      You can also go the other way, and stitch together sound cards to form a 7.1 system.

      But I suppose the biggest part of this "hack" is really the media manager that handles three players at once.

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    3. Re:Alsa by ZERO1ZERO · · Score: 1

      Very interesting, that's a great use.

  5. Rear 5.1 outputs by dj245 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The sound chips for those rear 5.1 outputs are often lower quality than the front on many 5.1 sound cards. Something to think about.

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    1. Re:Rear 5.1 outputs by Locutus · · Score: 1

      and to top if off, the recordings are already degraded by compression. Then again, how many are really going to hear the difference when the speakers are recessed into the ceiling and cabling is probably not of very good quality, nor installation, either.

      It is a cool idea to split the 6 tracks and 6 outputs from a 5:1 system into 3 stereo streams. A palm hitting the forehead kind of moment for sure.

      LoB

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    2. Re:Rear 5.1 outputs by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      I've had a bunch of sound cards with weird glitches like that. IIRC, there's an Ensoniq one where the front and back outputs had _different_ sample rates. Right now I'm using an Aureal card which refuses to output 4 channels at all.

    3. Re:Rear 5.1 outputs by glavenoid · · Score: 1

      It is a cool idea to split the 6 tracks and 6 outputs from a 5:1 system into 3 stereo streams. A palm hitting the forehead kind of moment for sure.

      Yea, it really is, however if you've ever used certain foreign language study tapes or the jazz "Play Along" or "Band minus One" tapes then the idea is a little less novel. The foreign language tapes usually have English on one channel and *whatever* on the other, and the play alongs have rhythm on one channel and melody on the other. Not to say it's anything like streaming multiple music tracks to different rooms in some organized fashion, but the general idea is the same.

      I've used audacity to stream multiple tracks to different channels before, but that was more for mixing purposes rather than a home audio solution.

      Now that this idea has hit /., I wouldn't be surprised if some on the open-source collaborators implement something similar (if they haven't already). Amarok?!

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    4. Re:Rear 5.1 outputs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The sound chips for those rear 5.1 outputs are often lower quality than the front on many 5.1 sound cards. Something to think about.

      Note to self: wire rear outputs to restroom, where my rear outputs are of low quality...

    5. Re:Rear 5.1 outputs by ari_j · · Score: 1

      Why not have 6 mono outputs? If this is for ambient music, that would work just fine and double the number of rooms per sound card.

    6. Re:Rear 5.1 outputs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's usually all integrated into one chip.

    7. Re:Rear 5.1 outputs by Locutus · · Score: 1

      that might work well for the home intercom system too. Use a 6:1 analog switch for the mic input with an LED usage indicators at each node/room and now you've got a 6 room comm system on the cheap too. I like it.

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  6. Duh! by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Funny

    How do you distribute simultaneous streams of DRM-protected iTunes from a single computer to multiple rooms of the house?

    Easy, download the MP3s from Kazaa or rip them from CD. The hard question is, why in Turing's name would anybody download something with DRM? That's just insane!

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    1. Re:Duh! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Or download it from iTunes and rip to CD.
      The question is, are you willing to pay for it? In most cases, I will.

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    2. Re:Duh! by zehaeva · · Score: 1

      why in Turing's name

      I just had this crazy image with using Alan Turning's name in place of that of the usual god or christ (at least for us backward western countries)

      "Oh Turning! Oh Turning! OHHHH TUURRRNNNINNNGGG!!!!" or maybe "For Turnings sake! would you put that down!" or "ahhh Turning Damn It!" and finally "AHH OOH YEAH OH Turning yeah keep touching it like that, yes thats right ahh Turning that feels good"

      yeah i've lost it

    3. Re:Duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Turing, not Turning.

    4. Re:Duh! by Z34107 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Generally, I:

      1. Buy a track from ITMS or other DRM-crippled store. (Meh, I'm lazy.)
      2. Pirate the same track from a torrent site. I want a better-quality, unencumbered recording.

      I argue that they have my $.99, so I should get to listen to what I paid for. Better than just skipping to #2, I think, though it's a legal gray area.

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    5. Re:Duh! by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      The question is, are you willing to pay for it?

      Most people ARE willing to pay for it so long as it's not garbage. The success of iTunes proves that. And if you rip it from CD you already paid for it.

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    6. Re:Duh! by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      If someone actually did the impossible and invented a sentient computer, whould it worship Alan Turing? I think it might.

      Not that I believe a sentient computer is any more possible than time travel or faster than light travel...

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    7. Re:Duh! by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      Easy, download the MP3s from Kazaa or rip them from CD. How does that distribute them to multiple rooms in the house?

      This story was like a high school algebra word problem. The DRM was extra information unrelated to the problem, put there to confuse you if you don't actually understand the solution. If you try to use it in your answer, you get an 'F'.

      It would seem to me that this story was about using one computer, with one sound card to decode digital audio to multiple analog streams. If it were about the DRM, they could have just authorized three systems to decode the music.
    8. Re:Duh! by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      How does that distribute them to multiple rooms in the house?

      Perhaps I made the error of assuming that each of the three rooms would have a computer in it with its own sound card. If that was the case then the computer with the fancy, expensive sound card would only need to be used as a file server. If the files contained DRM the other computers likely wouldn't play them because they wouldn't hold the key, necessitating some sort of DRM hack like contained in TFA.

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    9. Re:Duh! by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      Why would the server need a sound card at all in that case?

      Plus the article explicitly mentions iTunes, which allows authorizing multiple computers for playback.

      Lastly, 5.1 sound cards aren't fancy or expensive. They're the default on pretty much any setup these days. Bundled with practically every desktop motherboard.

    10. Re:Duh! by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      I've done the same. It's worth noting, however, that they do not feel you should be able to listen to what you pay for, and if they catch you downloading they will still sue your ass and probably win because you are not granted a right to distribute which on say, bittorrent, you are doing. I've come to the conclusion therefore that you should just pirate the songs and give money to the poor. For extra points make the donation on behalf of the artist, as many charities will allow you to do. Or you can just buy CDs.

    11. Re:Duh! by enoz · · Score: 1

      Bands often report that most of their income is from Tours and associated merchandise, rather than their record sales.

      So to improve on your already liberal behaviour you could pirate the songs and then attend the band's concert and buy an overpriced t-shirt.

      And then donate the shirt to Vinnies.

      Just a thought :)

    12. Re:Duh! by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      Why would the server need a sound card at all in that case?

      It wouldn't, unless you wanted to listen to MP3s in the room with the server.

      Plus the article explicitly mentions iTunes

      Well, if the thing is a device to overcome iTunes DRM then it would have to mention iTunes, now wouldn't it? The thing would be useless to me, and in my estimation worthless to any slashdotter as well. Slashdotters know a gazillion ways to beat DRM, especially music DRM, plus slashdotters and other non-idiots know not to rent DRM infested music.

      Lastly, 5.1 sound cards aren't fancy or expensive

      I never said they were.

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  7. I am supprised. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Form DRM Music no one has ever hacked a sound card Bypassing the Digial to Audio Conversion and redirect the Uncompressed Digital Signal to a storage medium.

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    1. Re:I am supprised. by synth7 · · Score: 1

      You shouldn't be surprised, because it already exists. It just so happens that the old M-Audio Delta 410 PCI cards have a "monitor" mixing point that is logically right smack in the middle between the inputs and outputs of the card. I use Rhapsody to queue up an album, then record it straight into Cakewalk Sonar 7 without ever leaving the digital realm.

      However, keep in mind that these streamed songs are compressed, so there will be some slight loss of quality as a result. For most people, it's sounds just as good as CDs... but there's always someone out there who wants SACD quality.

      There is a bit of effort required to tag all the tracks properly, but I find that by properly naming them when saving them, I can use Cakewalk's Pyro Audio Creator tool to do all the mp3 conversion and re-tagging quite easily.

      Plus, on the bonus side, you can do some minor remastering if you like. I find that some older tracks really do sound a bit better if you toss them through something like Izotope Ozone 3 or a similar post-processor/mastering plugin. Depends entirely upon the track, though, as most contemporary music is already smashed up against the 0db ceiling. However, for something like The Stone Roses, whose recording always seemed to be a bit tinny and weak on the low end, a little multiband shaping helps in my opinion. Indeed, bumping up tracks masterd at the old -6db ceiling prevents you from playing volume-pong when you're shuffling between old and new tracks.

      Anyhow, I highly recommend the Delta 410 for those who are willing to stick with 32-bit XP... it's an old enough card that 64-bit drivers haven't appeared. And their Firewire 410 doesn't have that central mixing/sampling point that allows direct stream recording. I'm not sure about their other cards' capabilities. Regardless, if you are industrious you can always find a way around the limitation... even if it's getting two cards with coax/digital ins/outs such that you can record the output from one to the other's inputs. (And I do believe that doing so would never cross a DAC, so you're still in the all-digital realm.)

      As a final piece of advice: If you really like a band, buy their CD. Or, better yet, go to one of their concerts to show your support.

  8. I thought fairplay allowed you to register up to 5 by plasmacutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As much as I hate DRM, it's presence in this case does not "necessitate" this application in any way.

    Fairplay allows up to 5 computers to share the same account key. As for larger households, well you asked for headaches anyway if you as parents have more than 4 kids who are the age most really get into music. I doubt you'll even notice one more.

    So it's not about DRM created necessity, it's about enabling an alternative to duplicating a library up to 5 times and paying for up to 5 times the storage and 5 times the power to keep that storage active. I personally am happy this choice is open to consumers.

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  9. iPod, anyone? by sunderland56 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    So.... whatever happened to the iPod? You listened to music, and it worked in every room in your house!! Plus, if I walked into a room where someone else was - I could still listen to my music, while they listened to theirs. Plus - extra special bonus - it actually worked outside the house.

    This sure looks like a solution in search of a problem to me.....

    1. Re:iPod, anyone? by Entropius · · Score: 1

      And, if you want your music to be audible to everyone in the room, you can plug your iPod into some speakers. Like, any speakers.

    2. Re:iPod, anyone? by Cutie+Pi · · Score: 2, Funny

      Um, yeah. I guess since iPods came out that no one wants to listen to music on speakers anymore, or listen to the same stuff as other poeple any more. Speakers are obsolete! Of course it's kind of a pain, when my husband and I want turn on some dinner music, that we each need separate iPods. We really don't might eating with headphones on and having a hard time hearing each other. And I'm sure that headphones providing bass that I can feel are right around the corner.

    3. Re:iPod, anyone? by WeblionX · · Score: 1

      So I'm guessing you bought an iPod off of a friend, or you would have seen the dozen or so iPod docks that have speakers, right?

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    4. Re:iPod, anyone? by philwx · · Score: 1

      I tend to agree. I'm a huge fan of innovation, and this is fairly innovative. But I question the circumstances in which this type of innovation would be needed or even useful. Maybe I'm a dweeb, but I've never been to a party where 3 groups of people demanded to listen to different types of music simultaneously. For the family perspective, it seems odd having a head of household managing all the family's music. Frankly I wouldn't want my dad queueing my songs, he wouldn't know what I wanted to listen to and when. A localized solution would be better than a centralized one it seems.


      This reminds me of "that guy" in the late 90s / early 2000s who spent 100s of dollars pimping out his Nokia cell phone with fancy ring tones and replacement parts. No one ever called the phone, he spent most of the time manually activating the ringer.
  10. Airport Express Setup by flangemanirl · · Score: 1

    Oddly I had two Airport Express units in different parts of my flat at one stage when living with an ex. I was able to logon to my account on an Apple iBook stream to one of them. Then logon to a different account and then stram to a different airport express unit. No issues. I shared the same location on iTunes without any problems. Reckon you could do it with more and easily switch between users.

  11. Boo fucking Hoo by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 0, Troll

    On the other hand, the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating.


    Stop violating other people's rights and this won't be a problem.
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    1. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by keytoe · · Score: 1

      Stop violating other people's rights and this won't be a problem.

      My fancy new 42" 1080p television has an optical digitial out that will ONLY play downsampled 2 channel audio out of it because 'I might be a pirate'. Who's rights did I violate for that to happen again?

      I've been trying to get a multi-computer shared library (all ripped from the CDs I store in the attic) like this working for about 10 years now, and even still nothing works right. Who's rights did I violate to cause every software developer to shelve those features because 'I might be a pirate'?

      My car CD player can play a lot of different audio formats, but I can't seem to find the place where I can activate my (one remaining, mind you) FairPlay account. Instead, I'm required to go with a much lower song per disk ratio. Who's rights did I violate for that to happen?

      I'm sick and fucking tired of being an accidental casualty of this idiotic war.

    2. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Stop bitching about it and put the blame where it belongs, on the people violating the rights of the copyright holders. (see, the word "right" is built into the name")

      Everyone bitches about DRM and how much they hate it and how it violates their rights when most of those same people are violating the legally granted rights of the copyright holders. I am so fucking tired of hearing it.

      Pay close attention people:
      YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO INDISCRIMINATELY MAKE AND DISTRIBUTE COPIES. THAT RIGHT IS RESERVED, BY LAW, TO THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS. YOU HAVE A VERY LIMITED RIGHT TO MAKE COPIES OF COPYRIGHTED WORKS. IT IS ALL SPELLED OUT IN THE LAW. TRY READING IT SOMETIME.

      Now, some dumbshit is going to say "It's not really a right." Well, it is just as much a right as is equal access laws for the disabled and the right to vote of black Americans and women. All of those are rights granted by law.

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    3. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by smoker2 · · Score: 1

      I've been trying to get a multi-computer shared library (all ripped from the CDs I store in the attic) like this working for about 10 years now, and even still nothing works right. Who's rights did I violate to cause every software developer to shelve those features because 'I might be a pirate'?
      Features like NFS and/or Samba seem to work fine for me.
    4. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Stop violating other people's rights and this won't be a problem.

      Really, man. That's what I've been telling the ??AA's. Gotta make 'em stop violating our rights in their attempt to protect and extend their privileges. It would better yet to revoke those privileges entirely.

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    5. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I've been trying to get a multi-computer shared library (all ripped from the CDs I store in the attic) like this working for about 10 years now, and even still nothing works right. Who's rights did I violate to cause every software developer to shelve those features because 'I might be a pirate'?



      You're an idiot. Store it all on one computer and share it. That old server/client thing. This works just fine, even in iTunes.

      My car CD player can play a lot of different audio formats, but I can't seem to find the place where I can activate my (one remaining, mind you) FairPlay account. Instead, I'm required to go with a much lower song per disk ratio. Who's rights did I violate for that to happen?



      You're an idiot. You don't need FairPlay to play a CD. In fact, iTunes lets you burn your personal or DRMed songs to AIFF or MP3 format, and removes any DRM as a bonus.

      I'm sick and fucking tired of being an accidental casualty of this idiotic war.

      I don't think you have a choice.

    6. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      OK, you dipshit troll, I will feed you.

      Last I checked, the law says that the copyright holders (which includes the ??AAs) have and exclusive, limited right to control the creation and distribution of copies. You, on the other hand, have a very limited right to make copies and no right to distribute them.

      Now, dumbass, tell me what fucking right you have that is being violated?

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    7. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by pohl · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I don't think anyone questions the assertion that it's written into law. I think the common argument is that violating that particular law is a victimless crime -- and that is what distinguishes it from voting rights and equal access for the disabled. If I have a machine that duplicates things at no cost, and pointing it at a sandwich that you own does no harm to your sandwich, then I deprive you of nothing. The counter-counter argument that you're likely to make is that I would be depriving you of your right to suckle at the teat of the government-supported monopoly, that copyright law gives you, over selling copies of that sandwich. I think the counter-counter-counter argument is then "well, fuck you and your copyright-welfare check." Or another one that I like better is "I create things every day in [insert creative industry] and nobody in my industry gets the luxury of creating something once and getting paid a million times for it, so fuck you." Personally, I pay for my content. But at least I pay attention to the debate about the subject. If you were genuinely tired of it, one would think that you'd have it down by now, too.

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    8. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      What rights?

      Honestly, I don't have time to explain how wrong you are. Go read. An excerpt:

      Readers fired back with an amazingly intelligent array of counterexamples: situations where duplicating a CD or DVD may be illegal, but isnt necessarily *wrong.* They led me down a garden path of exceptions, proving that what seemed so black-and-white to me is a spectrum of grays.
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    9. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by keytoe · · Score: 1

      You're an idiot. Store it all on one computer and share it. That old server/client thing. This works just fine, even in iTunes.
      And that pushes my play count, skip count, ratings, volume adjustments and other meta data back to the server, does it? There's more to the equation than just having access to the bits over the network, you know. It's easy enough to get access to playing the songs. It's NOT easy to manage a library.

      You're an idiot. You don't need FairPlay to play a CD. In fact, iTunes lets you burn your personal or DRMed songs to AIFF or MP3 format, and removes any DRM as a bonus.

      Yes, I can transcode to MP3 with the corresponding loss of quality. I can also burn off to CD and get one tenth the capacity on the same disk. Neither of those options would be necessary at all if DRM didn't exist. It's an inconvenience that I must endure because 'I might be a pirate'. You're suggesting I'm an idiot because I don't like that?

      My point is that I shouldn't have to jump through hoops do do what is specifically covered by copyright law as fair use. Period. Anyone defending the position that because some people abuse the law the rights holders are justified in removing MY rights can suck a chubby.

    10. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Stop bitching about it and put the blame where it belongs, on the people violating the rights of the copyright holders. (see, the word "right" is built into the name") Uh, no, it's anticipation of people violating the rights of others. If you don't believe me, go look up the history of home movies. DRM isn't a response to actual damages.

      Everyone bitches about DRM and how much they hate it and how it violates their rights when most of those same people are violating the legally granted rights of the copyright holders. I am so fucking tired of hearing it. Tough shit. You don't know who's guilty and who's not. Worse, assuming you're not being an asshat hypocrite, are being 'punished' for stuff you didn't do, too. So, yes, you're going to have to listen to people who don't agree with the propoganda you've subscribed to. Boo fucking hoo.
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    11. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1
      The copyright holder is the victim, therefore it is not a victimless crime.

      your right to suckle at the teat of the government-supported monopoly

      "Maybe you should try reading the Constitution. Your derogatory tone aside, it is my right to benefit from my work. The law gives me that right. Why do you think you should be able to deprive me of my Constitutional right to benefit from my work?"

      "I create things every day in [insert creative industry] and nobody in my industry gets the luxury of creating something once and getting paid a million times for it, so fuck you."

      "Fuck you and your industry. If you could do it in your industry, then you would. But, you can't so you don't want me to do it either."

      Your entire post is nothing more than a series of self-serving fallacies.
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    12. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      The rights that are spelled on in law, dumbass. I don't give a fuck what an OpEd piece in the NY Times says. I can turn to the Constitution and the U.S. Code, also known as the LAW.

      Here let me help you:

      To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

      That "right". Does that answer your question, dipshit?

      Here is some more reading for you:
      http://www.copyright.gov/title17/

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    13. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by Hatta · · Score: 1

      So your position is that because it's illegal it must be morally wrong?

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    14. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1
      Stop violating other people's rights and this won't be a problem.

      I buy CDs... lots of them. The only music I have on any PC I own is ripped from my own personal legal CD collection. I'm not violating anyone's rights yet potentially, when CDs die, DRM will be forced on me.

      Do not equate a hatred of DRM and iTunes with music theft.

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    15. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Stop bitching about it and put the blame where it belongs, on the people violating the rights of the copyright holders. (see, the word "right" is built into the name")

      Based on what? You're saying that I have to handle my audio based on the dictates of some media consortium because of the evil pirates?

      Pay close attention people:
      YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO INDISCRIMINATELY MAKE AND DISTRIBUTE COPIES. THAT RIGHT IS RESERVED, BY LAW, TO THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS. YOU HAVE A VERY LIMITED RIGHT TO MAKE COPIES OF COPYRIGHTED WORKS. IT IS ALL SPELLED OUT IN THE LAW. TRY READING IT SOMETIME.

      I have a very limited right to distribute copies of stuff I don't own the copyright to. How is passing audio around the house distro?

      Now, some dumbshit is going to say "It's not really a right." Well, it is just as much a right as is equal access laws for the disabled and the right to vote of black Americans and women. All of those are rights granted by law.

      Well, dumbshit, it is, in fact, less of a right. Copyright is a negotiated exchange - the gub grants content producers a limited exclusive distro right in exchange for their works going PD after the time limit expires. Since they've fallen down on their end, then there's no moral reason not to pirate.

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    16. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So, if the copyright holders undermine the 'limited' part of that, what's wrong with violating the 'exclusive' part?

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    17. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      OK, you dipshit troll...

      Well, That's niiice, (see? I've been to finishin' school) Love and kisses to you too there, sweetie. Feel free to study up on the differences between rights and privileges. Here's a little sump'in to get you started. Copyright is a privilege granted exclusively by the government in power at the moment. To do with my possessions as I wish is a right, not answerable to anybody. I will grant that society has given up that right to allow copyright in its mistaken belief that it benefits everybody in the end. But there are those who understand its real intent in calling for its abolishment. You may own the bulb, no matter how dim it may be in your case, but you don't own the light it shines on me. My buddy Tom says so. And your little "rude boy" act isn't really all that impressive either. It's been done before, by people that are much better than you. Go find another corner.

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    18. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      No, dipshit, my position is that it is morally wrong and illegal. Unlike your position which is "I don't like copy right law so it must be wrong."

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    19. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      Ok, fuckwit, if the law says it is a right, then it is a right. You seem to be too stupid to understand that.

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    20. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      Oooh, a real dipshit. Here, let us take a look at the word itself: copy right. Look right in the term is the word "right".

      Now, let us take a look at the law. The law says it is a right.

      Now, let us take a look at the Constitution of the United States of America. It says it is a right as well.

      Now, show me where it is a privilege or shut the fuck up.

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    21. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      The law says it is a right.

      Doesn't always make it so, babe. Rights, like life, liberty, bla bla bla, don't need written law to exist. And the privileges created by law, such as copyright, aren't real, natural rights. It doesn't matter if it's in the constitution or the bible, or any other document you hold up to your god. It is nothing more than a binding agreement amongst the signatories. Thing is, I didn't sign. But keep it comin' darlin'. If you pop an artery, make sure to have the camera rolling.

      ...shut the fuck up.

      Aw, I can't, man. The day's been pretty slow until you dropped by, and I'm easily entertained at the moment. I gotta see what you come up with next. The really good trolls aren't so obliging, and pudge has become tiresome, so I guess I just have to settle with you.

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    22. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      In other words -- you are a troll, and you might actually believe that circumvention of copy protection is immoral.

      Let's talk about that -- what is immoral about me ripping a DVD to an iPod? Because that is illegal.

      Sorry if you're too shallow to see the difference between legality and morality.

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    23. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      The rights that are spelled on in law, dumbass.

      Do you truly believe law defines morality?

      That's right -- it's illegal to eat onions in certain cities and at certain hours. I assert that I have the right to eat onions whenever the fuck I want.

      How about we talk about rights, and not laws?

      Here is some more reading for you:

      Ah, yes, that would be this right. Specifically:

      (c) Prohibition on Circumvention of the System. No person shall import, manufacture, or distribute any device, or offer or perform any service, the primary purpose or effect of which is to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or otherwise circumvent any program or circuit which implements, in whole or in part, a system described in subsection (a).

      Is that the "right" you're defending? The right to require that no one ever circumvent your copy protection, no matter what the reason? Does it ever occur to you that there might be a legitimate reason?

      What does preventing me from ripping a DVD to an iPod have to do with "promoting the Progress of Science and useful Arts"? Sounds to me like it does exactly the opposite, which is why people actually creating content (instead of trolling on Slashdot) are signing up with Amazon MP3.

      Looks to me like I read what you linked to, but you didn't even give what I linked to a chance. Try again.

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    24. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Well, golly gee! I guess I should be impressed. You actually got a number of folks to take your little tirades seriously. So who are you, really? Lawrence Lessig playing an April fools joke? I love Slashdot... getting more subtle all the time.

      Remember, in some states, using a motor is prohibited...

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    25. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      You are too stupid to read. Well, it could be that your reading comprehension is that of a infant. Or, is it that you are trying to change the subject because your position is indefensible?

      That comment was about violating copyright, not circumvention of copy protection. Copy protection
      exists because assholes like you decided to violate the rights of the copyright holders.

      Morality does not enter into it. A bunch of shitheads, like yourself, went out and violated the rights of the copyright holders, so laws were passed to criminalize violating those rights.

      Something does not have to be immoral to be illegal and something that is legal does not have to be moral.

      The reason for that is because what is "moral" is subjective and depends on who one asks. Killing a woman for having pre-martial sex is considered moral in many Muslim states, and it is legal in some of them. Many Americans believe abortion is legal and immoral. Whose morals should apply when the laws are made? Maybe we should use MY morals. You wouldn't like that and would prefer we use whatever you have that passes for morals.

      Now, do yourself a favor and STFU.

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    26. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1
      Trying to change the discussion from what is legal to what is moral? Moral doesn't enter into it. Morals are subjective.

      How about we talk about laws and not subjective morals, or is your mind too fucking small to grasp that?

      What does preventing me from ripping a DVD to an iPod have to do with "promoting the Progress of Science and useful Arts"?

      It allows the producers of a work to benefit and profit from their work. I know you don't think anyone should profit if it will cost you money, but I am betting you don't work for free either.

      Please explain to me how you not being able to rip (which comes from the phrase "rip off", meaning to steal) content from a DVD prevents you from creating original content? Answer: It doesn't.

      Now, why aren't you railing against the real reason that provision exists, people violating the rights of the copyright holders? Where is the morality in violating the rights of the copyright holders? It used to be that people didn't violate those rights due to technical reasons, and personal honor and responsibility. Now, fuckwads like yourself have no technical hurdles and have no honor or feelings of responsibility. You only have a false sense of entitlement. Well, you are not entitled to shit.

      I don't have to read your little OpEd piece, dipshit, because that is the opinion of one stupid person (no doubt why you liked it, yourself being just as stupid). Especially when it is on morality and not legality. Want to make a real argument? Address the legality of copyrights, because what you think is moral does not fucking matter.

      Now, you are probably thinking something along the lines of "An immoral law should not be followed."

      Well, in that case, we can let the kids who kill Matthew Shepard out of jail because they were following their morals and not the law.

      And, we can let the anti-abortion protesters who fire bombed clinics and killed doctors out because they believe that abortion is illegal and laws protecting it should not be followed. This would include Eric Rudolf, the Olympic bomber, as he was just following God's word.

      Let's not forget about the man in England who killed his daughter for refusing to go along with an arranged marriage. He should go free because he was upholding his religious and ethnic morals and the law be damned.

      While we are at it, we have to let Warren Steed Jeffs go free because he was following the morals of his religion when he forced young teen-aged girls to marry and have sex with older men who already had wives, including close relatives.

      If morals trump the law, then the law is meaningless because all someone has to say is "I was doing what I believe is morally correct."
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    27. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Trying to change the discussion from what is legal to what is moral?

      You started out talking about rights. There are legal rights, and there are moral rights. You didn't specify which.

      How about we talk about laws and not subjective morals, or is your mind too fucking small to grasp that?

      Apparently yours is, or why would you have brought up "promoting the Progress of Science and useful Arts"?

      Answer this question: Why do we have laws? I'll give you a hint: It has something to do with morality.

      It allows the producers of a work to benefit and profit from their work. I know you don't think anyone should profit if it will cost you money

      Apparently your mind is also too small to grasp the difference between the freedom to use what I legally fucking purchased, and free as a dollar amount.

      That's right: I cannot legally take a DVD that I own and copy it, format-shift it, or do any of the other things considered "fair use", and which I might have assumed I was paying for. Yes, copying it is considered fair use -- maybe making a copy for the kids to watch, so I can burn them another when they destroy that one -- something which you would know if you had read that article. By the way, don't bother to reply again if you won't.

      Please explain to me how you not being able to rip (which comes from the phrase "rip off", meaning to steal) content from a DVD prevents you from creating original content?

      How's that relevant?

      No, it prevents me from making a legitimate use of a product I own.

      Now, why aren't you railing against the real reason that provision exists, people violating the rights of the copyright holders?

      Because that's offtopic.

      Also, I haven't personally been pirated from, whereas I personally have been burned by DRM.

      Now, you are probably thinking something along the lines of "An immoral law should not be followed."

      Or perhaps an immoral law should be changed.

      Well, in that case, we can let the kids who kill Matthew Shepard out of jail because they were following their morals and not the law.

      Looks like you have some reading to do about civil disobedience. Hint: It has nothing to do with getting out of jail. If I break the DRM on something, go ahead, sue me. If the majority of the population agrees that I violated the law, I'll be punished.

      I don't think the majority of the population agrees that DRM should not be circumventable, or even that it should exist. I think the majority of the population simply doesn't have a clue.

      If morals trump the law, then the law is meaningless because all someone has to say is "I was doing what I believe is morally correct."

      And if law trumps morality, then "it's legal to do so" can become an excuse for anything that is, well, legal to do. There's even the excuse of "the law made me do it." I'm sure the women being stoned to death in the middle east will be happy to know that they're being killed -- as a punishment for being raped -- because it's the legal thing to do.

      I see you still haven't addressed the laws about eating onions after 6 PM. Nice.

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  12. Pfft.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just RTFA and I am pretty damn certain 3 modded xboxes on the same network as a PC downloading music through bittorrent could do the same thing for a lot less money. Why buy expensive equipment just to make something work with purchased DRM'd music?

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  14. This has nothing to do with DRM ... by LaughingCoder · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's all about combining your various music file collections into one virtual collection. This device is cool because it can merge all your disparate collections into one big playlist, regardless of format (and regardless of whether some of the content is DRM'd).

    BTW, it is *not* helpful to keep blaming DRM for everything and anything. It only dilutes the argument against DRM when your claims are false, giving ammunition to its defenders.

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    1. Re:This has nothing to do with DRM ... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1
      It's all about combining your various music file collections into one virtual collection. This device is cool because it can merge all your disparate collections into one big playlist, regardless of format (and regardless of whether some of the content is DRM'd).

      Fact: I already do this and I own no Apple products. It's called MPD (Music Player Daemon), it runs on Linux and it plays any and every track that I own in one big playlist or in as many playlists as I like. I can use MP3, OGG or any other non-DRM format I want, I can put the tracks on any device I like, copy them where I like, burn them how I like.

      BTW, it is *not* helpful to keep blaming DRM for everything and anything. It only dilutes the argument against DRM when your claims are false, giving ammunition to its defenders.

      Fact: I can take a CD or a memory stick/CDROM with a few MP3s on it and let a friend listen to it - not possible with an iTunes track. If my PC hard drive crashes, I can just buy a new one and re-rip any CDs I need to without needing to log into anywhere and redownload anything.

      Additionally, please do not forget that DRM allows for the expiry or limited plays of media which ultimately means you end up renting music and movies and the supplier of that media gets a nice monthly rental charge from your bank account.

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  15. Just like Data! by Anonymous+Monkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now I can be just like Lieutenant Commander Data and listen to six different classical compositions at once loud enough to rattle a star ships windows! Now I just need to make a pun about rattling a star ships windows while running Linux.

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    We are the Borg...
  16. Something wrong here? by SimonGhent · · Score: 1

    I though that 5.1 surround only had 5 channels (Front L & R + Rear L & R + centre), so how does this produce three stereo channels?

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    1. Re:Something wrong here? by berashith · · Score: 2, Informative

      i think the .1 part is the subwoofer, but that is not required to only have the low tones. You can send a full spectrum through that line.

    2. Re:Something wrong here? by SimonGhent · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, that makes sense, didn't realise that there was a dedicated channel for that. I thought that it just took the "low part" of the front two channels.

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      simon
    3. Re:Something wrong here? by Retardical_Sam · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression it took the low parts of all channels. I think how this works though is that the sound card probably actually has six channels (from three stereo outputs), and for the center channel it just either combines them into a mono or deliberately outputs mono instead of the stereo that it's capable of. Keep in mind this is conjecture, not fact, and I'm liable to be wrong, just contributing to the discussion.

    4. Re:Something wrong here? by megaditto · · Score: 1

      Other commenters explained how 5+1 works to give you 6 channels, but I just thought I'd point out that you could in theory use multiplexing to get the same thing done with a normal stereo audiocard as well.

      For example, a card that can output two channels (L+R) at 48 kHz each could be used to output 4 channels at 24 kHz each or 8 channels at 12 kHz, etc, with just a little added output circuitry and a software program to interleave your sound files.

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    5. Re:Something wrong here? by nevermore94 · · Score: 1

      My 5.1 sound card has 3 1/8" stereo output jacks. These are usually used for Front L & R, Rear L & R, Center & Sub. So, if the Center & Sub channels can be soft hacked to produce a 3rd stereo channel, I think it would be very possible hardware wise. And, all 6 channels are rated at 108dB at 2V according to the specs, so there output should be about the same.

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    6. Re:Something wrong here? by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Um, no, you can't do that with 'a little added output circuitry'. Multiplexing analog sound is hard. Like, so hard that no one does it. You'd have to shift the entire range of frequencies, twice. You'd have to expand the first 0-24kHz to 0-48kHz, and second 24-48 kHz to 0-48kHz too. Just doing that once is more expensive than just buying another soundcard, and, as a bonus, you don't end up with crappy 24 kHz sound.

      In fact, what the hell is wrong with everyone here? Hey, dumbasses, if you want two separate sound outputs, buy another sound card. You can get cheap USB ones for 10 bucks, and it will be better quality than the rear and center/subwoofer outputs on most 5.1 soundcards, which, as has been correctly pointed out, often sound like crap. Even on the best sound cards they don't bother spending money on the subwoofer DAC.

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    7. Re:Something wrong here? by kitgerrits · · Score: 1


      2 things:
      1/ the filter in your sound card plays havoc on your multiplexed signal
          The DAC might work at 44.1 KHz, but a filter makes sure it doesn't sound 'tinny'.
          Also, some soundcards are restricted to 'other (48KHz, 192KHz)' sample rates,
              Take care when developing your system.
      2/ Seeing as people tend to use multi-zone for bathrooms and kitchens,
          wouldn't it be easier to have 1 stereo set-up for the living room
              and make the other 4 mono zones?

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      "I was in love with a beautiful blonde once, dear. She drove me to drink. It's the one thing I am indebted to her for."
    8. Re:Something wrong here? by megaditto · · Score: 1

      I think you misunderstood what I meant by interleaving:

      The split channels could time-share a single sound card output.

      Say, if you wanted to split a single 48 kHz output into three channels, you would have, from the start:

      first output: sample the common channel for 20.8 microsecond, then wait for 41.7 microseconds, repeat
      second out: wait for 20.8 us, sample for 20.8 us, wait for 20.8 us, repeat
      third: wait for 41.7 us, sample for 20.8 us, repeat.

      Now, since each of these would only sample the soundcard every 62.5 microseconds, that makes their sampling rate to be 16 kHz. Given real-life hardware limitations you'd have to leave some white space between these, of course, and devise a way to synch up the clocks properly, but the general idea is valid I think.

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    9. Re:Something wrong here? by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      That's even more expensive.

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    10. Re:Something wrong here? by megaditto · · Score: 1

      Why? You could get a microprocessor with a built-in ADC for like $1 from Mouser. If you want to be lazy: three PICs and three DACs, one per each of the three split channels. If you don't want to be lazy, you could actually get a single PIC to handle all three DACs.

      Or even a single DAC with a PIC and a lot of analog voodoo magic (something like using PIC-controlled MOSFETs to switch a DAC between 3 different channels, then using capacitors and Op-Amps to provide a smooth output).

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      Obama likes poor people so much, he wants to make more of them.
    11. Re:Something wrong here? by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      And this is cheaper than buying another soundcard or two how?

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      If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
  17. do I just not understand something here? by smenor · · Score: 1

    On the other hand, the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating

    I was under the impression that iTunes allowed music sharing to other Macs and PCs with iTunes. Shouldn't you just be able to use that? and, if so, is the DRM really hurting that much?

    1. Re:do I just not understand something here? by lancejjj · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that iTunes allowed music sharing to other Macs and PCs with iTunes. Shouldn't you just be able to use that? Yeah, but then you wouldn't need a rack-mount server or a whole-house audio distribution system. And that ruins a lot of the fun.

      Plus, if you wanted 20 digital streams running independently in your home, well, iTunes can't do that unless you have iPods as well - as iTunes is restricted to only 5 authorized computers at a time.
    2. Re:do I just not understand something here? by smenor · · Score: 1

      iTunes is restricted to only 5 authorized computers at a time I don't think even that restriction holds for streaming shared music.
    3. Re:do I just not understand something here? by earnest+murderer · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating

      I was under the impression that iTunes allowed music sharing to other Macs and PCs with iTunes. Shouldn't you just be able to use that? and, if so, is the DRM really hurting that much?

      In fact, with an Airport Express or Apple TV you don't even need another computer. Add a copy of Airfoil and you can even stream DRM material from other sources like Yahoo or Sirius.

      If you go the Apple TV route you can even have independent streams to each unit without the aid of another PC. Airfoil streams get hairy and may even need an additional PC per room.
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    4. Re:do I just not understand something here? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      If you stream non-DRMed music, your comment does not even come into any consideration.

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      Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
  18. O'Rly ? by The_Angry_Canadian · · Score: 5, Funny

    Add a second card for six outputs
    No wai !

    Add a third card for nine outputs
    Add a fourth card for twelve outputs !

    ... Add a beowulf cluster of cards and it'll summon Nathalie Portman to dance for you !
    1. Re:O'Rly ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Add a beowulf cluster of cards and it'll summon Nathalie Portman to dance for you !

      How does she dance if she's petrified?

      Also, where do you get the grits?

    2. Re:O'Rly ? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      ... Add a beowulf cluster of cards and it'll summon Nathalie Portman to dance for you !

      It also does xvid? Sweet.

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      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
  19. Doesn't everyone have a whole-house audio system? by lancejjj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How do you distribute simultaneous streams of DRM-protected iTunes from a single computer to multiple rooms of the house? Would I really want three streams of centrally controlled audio from MY single 1U rack mount server with a single sound card coupled with a whole-house audio distribution system?

    Installing the analog wiring in all my rooms would cost me thousands of dollars. This seems like a very expensive solution to a problem that doesn't impact most people. It might make sense if you run a museum or something, with independent audio pumped into each room - but that's it. And it seems quite fragile to run - too many parts.

  20. VideoLAN - VLC by tmbailey123 · · Score: 1

    I have setup VLC to stream music to multiple computers in the house. It has been a while but I used the http transport method, however I believe they had multicast options too. I do remember it taking a little effort to put together a playlist. It was functional, but not user friendly.

  21. Audio through the house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best way I've found is to use a small FM exciter. The Ramsey FM25B works great!
    http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/cgi-bin/commerce.exe?preadd=action&key=FM25B

    You will have to assemble it yourself but if you've done any soldering it should only take 5-7 hours. Tune it to an open frequency,
    set your output levels and listen on any FM receiver.

    I wired it with an input selector to my pc and satellite receiver but you can also connect it directly to your portable mp3 player.
    I typically use WinAmp to play from my library or something from ShoutCast.

    If you live in a very congested area (apartments) you need to be careful to not step on any commercial broadcasters.

  22. Well.. Try woot! by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Today, after the woot-off, woot.com is offering a Razer Barracuda AC-1 Sound Card. As in NOT CREATIVE ;) 55$ for it's a good deal.

    Click on the picture to see how they break out that massive weird looking port.

    I dont work for them. I just go rabid over bags of crap.

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    1. Re:Well.. Try woot! by Moridineas · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Green for you!

      Thanks for the headsup, I've been needing a new soundcard, and after reading about all the Creative stuff last night, not too inclined to buy an Xfi.

    2. Re:Well.. Try woot! by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      I figured it was an ontopic discussion, even if it was sort of an ad.

      Pretty much, we all think that this soundcard was chose to be todays woot! because of Slashdot and like dissing Creative for their horrendous treatment of a driver modder. Like I said, Id buy it but I'm not in need of a new soundcard.

      Also, in the past, I was bitten by the Via-SBlive corruption. Wiped out the FAT on a 40GB hd. Lets just say that Creative isnt exactly a favorite company in my book.

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    3. Re:Well.. Try woot! by Moridineas · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Hah, I didn't think about woot actively pushing products because of what's going on on slashdot/other sites, but it makes sense and is smart. I would have been less inclined to buy the card yesterday. This was my first woot.

      I had the corruption bug too...really messed me up while playing Baldur's Gate!

      Also, when I first replied to your post I saw your sig lines and was like "hah...bet nobody ever falls for it because of the [slashdot.org]." When I was replying to THIS post, I clicked it, and was very confused as to why I was logged out for several seconds. Clever :p

    4. Re:Well.. Try woot! by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      For me, I have originating site brackets off. I just mouseover to see where it goes (and ignore the baddies).

      I do think its a cruel sense of humor, and many people think that ;P Look at my freaks list.. There's at least a hundred of em.

      My major problem creating it was keeping it within 120 chars for signatures. in order to do it, you need to trim as much as you can, like ./my/logout for the urls. Somehow, slashdot then appends what it needs to for the complete urls found here and thus works. Before that, I was doing stuff with the bad unicode chars (reversing and mirroring text).

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  23. Any free software for non DRM case? by Brit_in_the_USA · · Score: 1

    I have a similar dilema for my home audio solution. I have a 5.1 PCI sound card (Realtek chip) and a 5.1 cinema amp. I would like to drive two different sets of speakers in different locations from my Windows XP server (I would prefer to stick with Media Player or Winamp). I want to be able to select in software which speaker sets are enabled and their relative volumes. At the moment I only have one set of speakers installed and use optical digital from the sound card ot the amp. I am prepared to use the analogue coenctions for ease.
    Any suggestions for windows XP free software?

  24. Put the shoe on the other foot. by Technician · · Score: 1

    I have mixed feelings about this: on one hand, this is a really clever idea and a cool hack. On the other hand, the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating.

    I don't do DRM due to the incompatibility. It's up to the distributor to figure out how to provide a product the public will buy. DRM only works because enough people buy it. Otherwise DRM would be dead long ago.

    Vote with your wallet. You vote counts. Quit voting against me. Down with DRM.

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    The truth shall set you free!
  25. wtf by ipooptoomuch · · Score: 1

    Why is all of this necessary. I just use a damn splitter.

  26. Re:Doesn't everyone have a whole-house audio syste by qoncept · · Score: 1, Informative

    [blockquote]Installing the analog wiring in all my rooms would cost me thousands of dollars.[/blockquote] These contractors you're hiring, they're getting paid by the hour, yeah?

    What the hell are you talking about? I don't know where you shop, but last I checked you could get about 700,000 feet of suitable analog wiring (be it RCA, speaker wire or 3.5mm jacks) -- enough to wire my entire house, anyway -- for well under $100 at Walmart. And, you know, I'm talking wire of suitable quality as to not be any worse than the DSPs on this soundcard.

    Got an attic? Basement?

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    Whale
  27. If all of your music is ripped from CD's you own.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do you need to activate fairplay accounts?

    How can you possibly be having problems playing MP3s on multiple computers?

  28. Gigaport by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or, just buy a Gigaport AG. It's $100 and does 4 simultaneous stereo streams. You can use any audio playing program that has ASIO support, and any music format that it can understand.

  29. It's called AirPort Express and AirTunes... by Byzandula · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not to let my inner fanboi take over, but I've been using multiple AirPort Express to do wireless whole-house audio for some time with great success. You don't even have to use iTunes to deliver the audio. I use Airfoil from Rogue Amoeba software. It is an elegant solution and one that can be done at a reasonable cost.

    You can also burn the DRM music to CD in iTunes and then rip it into any format you want. It's a pain, but well worth doing. Not that I condone such behavior...

    1. Re:It's called AirPort Express and AirTunes... by maxume · · Score: 1

      You can also burn the DRM music to CD in iTunes and then rip it into any format you want. It's a pain, but well worth doing. Not that I condone such behavior...

      Why is it worth doing? I can see where it would be something I would do if I bought a lot of individual tracks, and something I might have done before the increased availability of DRM-free, downloadable albums, but buying used CD's and cheap stuff from CD Baby seems smarter, and now, why would you pay the same price for the DRM version?

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    2. Re:It's called AirPort Express and AirTunes... by Byzandula · · Score: 1

      In a word, convenience. A good deal of the music I listen to isn't available on CD Baby and I don't have the hassle (gas money + time) of going to several music shops looking for that one particular used CD that I'm interested in. Is iTunes the greatest thing to happen to music? I don't think so. It does serve a purpose in a crunch though.

  30. 5 Soundcards for 5 Rooms of 5.1 Each? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    What's the necessity of that (cool) hack? Why not just put 3 5.1 soundcards in a single machine, and pump their audio into 3 rooms, with 5.1 sound in each room? Why not put 5 5.1 soundcards, or more if the machine's got that many PCI and USB slots? Why not mix and match 5.1 and 7.1, cards?

    Seems to me that while their hack is a superior hack, the superior sound quality and lower complexity hack is just using multiple soundcards in the "single" host that DRM forces one to use.

    Of course, the idea that I bought some music that DRM prohibits me from playing in two rooms of my own apartment while I'm alone is a gross violation of my rights, merely to perpetuate the profit of the record company, without any defensible basis whatsoever. Since they've wiped out the boundary between actual rights and arbitrary privileges they grab, of course people will exploit any chance to push back at their flimsy artificial copyright "rights". They're going to lose this war of disrespect permanently, just as they've been losing every battle all along.

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    1. Re:5 Soundcards for 5 Rooms of 5.1 Each? by quick_dry_3 · · Score: 1

      how much of your music is in 5.1?

      my DVD movies might be, but the music is all plain ol stereo.

    2. Re:5 Soundcards for 5 Rooms of 5.1 Each? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Almost all of my music is in 2-channel stereo. But the 5.1 surround sounds better in the rooms without a dedicated hifi (all but one), especially the cheaper gear. Internet streams are fairly low-fi, so they benefit a lot from the surround logic.

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  31. Single Sound Card Multizone? by Zackbass · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm quite sure it isn't a novel idea but I haven't seen much info about it on the internets. A few of my friends and I got together last year to set up a similar system where we live. We use a plain old Soundblaster Live! Value card hooked up to four different zones (bathrooms). It's connected through a network drive to our music server and has a simple web interface to control the music in each zone. The web interface just controls four different instances of mplayer with the appropriate flags for rerouting the audio to the single channels. I'm sure the sound quality isn't great, but it's perfect if you like to air guitar with Dragonforce in the shower.

    We'll probably write up a guide on how to do it if we ever get slightly less lazy. It's really simple if you don't get hung up by Linux's sound support. But yeah, lazy.

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    1. Re:Single Sound Card Multizone? by kasek · · Score: 1

      this is slightly different, as this is taking the output of say, iTunes, and playing the same audio stream through the speakers in three different rooms. So, if you are strumming some air guitar in the shower, the people in the other rooms would be listening to dragonforce as well. Probably trivial to setup given your system, but different nonetheless.

    2. Re:Single Sound Card Multizone? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Funny
      but it's perfect if you like to air guitar with Dragonforce in the shower.

      Actually, from what I've heard of Dragonforce'a music, I would end up emptying my bowels in the shower tray.

      I'm older than you, wiser than you, and therefore entirely correct to declare AC/DC as shower room air-guitar kings.

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  32. For a second I thought of BeOS by HishamMuhammad · · Score: 1

    When I read the title, I thought "bah, computers have gone downhill if playing 3 streams simultaneously has become Slashdot-worthy. I could play 5 mp3 at the same time in BeOS back in a Pentium II 300"... And then I read the blurb and realized it was about DRM. Man, things have *really* gone downhill.

  33. hmm car analogy by rastoboy29 · · Score: 1

    Ok here goes:  It's like if you were to buy a car that only let's you drive on certain days of the week, to certain place, at certain times.  And somebody made a box that would let you know automatically when you have permission to use the car, and help you plan your route so that you can get where you want to go under those restrictions.

    Which you have to admit would be very convenient if you lived in that asinine fucking world.

  34. Airport Express? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not throw a few Aiport Expresses about the place? You can play music through them simultaneously with iTunes for that multi-room audio experience.

  35. Re:Doesn't everyone have a whole-house audio syste by iminplaya · · Score: 1

    That's way too complicated. I just play the music really loud until the neighbors complain, then back it off a bit.

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  36. Re:I thought fairplay allowed you to register up t by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

    Fairplay allows up to 5 computers to share the same account key. As for larger households, well you asked for headaches anyway if you as parents have more than 4 kids who are the age most really get into music. I doubt you'll even notice one more. Fair Use allows up to as many computers as I can cram into my household.

    So it's not about DRM created necessity, it's about enabling an alternative to duplicating a library up to 5 times and paying for up to 5 times the storage and 5 times the power to keep that storage active. I personally am happy this choice is open to consumers. I personally am disappointed Fair Use is not open to consumers.

    The music industry said "we'll charge less, but you'll get less" and millions of people happily went along with it.
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  37. Mix, Burn, Rip by argent · · Score: 1

    You don't even need to do that. Just burn your tracks to CD-RW and rip them again. You even keep the ID3 tags.

  38. Don't cross the streams by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    That would be bad.

    I for one, welcome our glitter spandex endowed overlords and brought a marshmallow stick with me just in case this DRM thing blows up in our faces.

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  39. If food was licensed the same way... by digitalhermit · · Score: 1

    ..as music it would be interesting.

    Imagine if every time you cooked a meal in your house you had to pay the recipe owner a royalty..

    There would be two or three restaurants in the country and you'd eat there only. Every time you bought a frying pad you'd need to pay a fee to a McDonalds. Buy uncooked food that could be the basis for a meal that *might* infringe McDonalds and you'd pay a fee.

    No sharing burgers with your friend...

    There would be twenty or thirty "top" meals of the week. If you went out to eat you'd need to eat one of the top meals.

    French fries would cost $15.

    1. Re:If food was licensed the same way... by kasek · · Score: 1

      your comparison is absurd, at best.

  40. no drm for me by Is0m0rph · · Score: 1

    I'll just keep my couple hundred gigs of non-DRM music files on my server and stream then to the 360 in the living room or wherever else I like.

    1. Re:no drm for me by GeoGeer · · Score: 1

      The only question is did you pay for your couple of hundred Gigs of non-DRM music? If so, nobody cares. If not then you are basically a thief.

      I stopped buying music for about 10 years because I was tired of getting screwed over. I'd buy a CD for $20 and get the one song I liked - and 9 others that were garbage. I ended up not even listening to the CDs because it was too much of a pain in the butt to put the CD on for that one song. When the iPod came out, I found I could use all those old CDs, by grabbing just those songs I downloaded. So I started buying music again. I figured if there were 3 songs on a CD that I liked I'd buy the CD. Then when the iTunes Music Store came out, I started buying even more songs (all those old one hit wonders I wanted). However I didn't like the DRM limit, so I still bought the CD if I figured there'd be 3 song on there I liked - so I was effectively paying $2-$4 a song for DRM free music vs. 99 for DRM free. When Apple came out with the DRM free music with EMI, I was ecstatic because now I would only be paying 1.39 for DRM free music. The DRM free music price has been dropped to 0.99 since that is the deal the music labels struck with Amazon. *great!*

      Do I buy any of the music though Amazon? Nope. Not because I have any problem with Amazon, but my beef is with the record labels. They are trying to break iTunes by offering DRM-less music to them and not to iTunes. This is being done because they figure that if they can get 2-3 additional major players that they'll be able to re-instate stupid pricing schemes. When they want variable pricing it isn't because they want to offer us a wonderful deal on older catalogue music. It is because they want to screw us over on new music. So what do I do?

      I play by the rules. If I listen to it I buy it. If I don't, I keep my money in my pocket. I am tired of reading about people stealing then claiming that they are taking the high ground. Truly taking the high ground requires sacrifice on your own part. So at the moment I am only buying from those who offer DRM free music on iTunes. I will not give one red penny (or 99 red pennies in this case) to the record companies. Apple with iTunes has been the biggest positive force for music in the past decade and I'll be danged (clean version) if I'm going to support those who would turn the clock back.

      Believe it or not I am somewhat sympathetic to the record companies. It does take a lot of dough to find, develop and market talent. These companies have many expenses, and are having their product stolen. I'm not saying they are blameless, but they are not the evil soulless creatures those on slashdot make them out to be either. Like it or not they do serve a valuable purpose. I really don't think you'd like what would happen to the music industry without them.

      Now I don't know if you've legally accumulated your music collection or not. If you have, great! I'm glad that you support the arts in such a meaningful way. If not - remember two wrongs do not make a right. If you are not willing to pay for the product provided, does not mean you have the right to benefit from it. Just imagine if everyone in the world acted in this way... I like the drawings you've prepared for this building, but I believe the fee you are charging is too high, so I'm just going to use the one's I've photocopied. *bam* no more engineers or architects. I like this software, but your licensing requirement are too strict so we are just going to make unlimited copies for ourselves. *bam* no more software developers. Your book was really good, but everyone just read the scan from the original manuscript. *bam* no writers. Just remember that it may be you who is getting screwed over one day. Treat others like you would like to be treated.

      Sorry about the rant...

    2. Re:no drm for me by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1
      You make some very good points but with a few bad assumptions.

      Firstly, like you, I never buy any music unless I've heard it first and if it means that I occasionally go to Usenet or BitTorrent to download and listen to an album before I buy, then so be it. It doesn't make it right but then I have 1200+ original CDs because I believe in paying for the stuff I like and I like something tangible with some sleevenotes to read also. If I download it and like it, I buy it - if I don't like it, I delete it. But likewise, as a result, I never buy a duff album, I always source each one as cheaply as possible, I listen to music far more than I watch TV or movies and I believe each music CD is great value for money as a result. I would suggest that if you were buying albums with only one or two good tracks on, then you weren't listening to good music.

      Secondly, I will never ever pay for downloaded music. If nothing else, my current CD collection will last me for the rest of my life anyway, but I will not pay more for something that is lower quality. If and when CDs bite the dust, then you can guarantee that so will DRM-free downloads and I won't support DRM, or any company that supports it, either. I've listened to music seriously for 30+ years now, that love of music has developed from lending and borrowing music between friends and DRM stops that.

      Thirdly, music pirates are as bad if not worse than those who support DRM. Not only do I subsidise their listening on the basis that I buy all my music, but the fact that they do what they do means that it gives complete justification to those who would force DRM on us. No, DRM is not just about stopping pirates, it's actually about screwing more money out of honest users by ultimately forcing them to rent their media, rather than own it, and to make them buy it on multiple formats.

      Fourthly, the so-called "independent artist" revolution that everyone is expecting will only fragment music, if not kill it almost completely. Yes, the idea that a musician can make and sell their own music via a web site may seem an ideal situation but, in reality, what happens about Joe Public hearing about that artist in the first place? The record companies have huge budgets to spend on marketing and whilst most of what they promote is utter dross, the fact that they send out a lot of review copies to specialist web sites and magazines means that it's much easier to hear about a potentially good piece of music. And personally, I consider music to be entertainment, not political - if I can buy a CD that sounds good to me, then I'm happy and the fact is that because I listen mainly to hard/progressive/psychedelic music from the late 60s and early 70s, the record companies are doing an absolutely fantastic job of rereleasing and remastering a lot of very obscure albums from that era currently, to the point where I can't spend my "music money" fast enough on CDs at the moment. Yes, I too am sympathetic to the record companies (and no, I don't work for any of them or anywhere in the music industry).

      Fifthly, not that I care about "pay-per-download" but if the music companies are taking steps to stop the iTunes stranglehold, then I say good on them. Far too many people are moaning about the "big 4 record companies" and running to the "big 1 music download company" in the belief that it will somehow save music. It won't, it'll just end up with Apple being the Microsoft of the music distribution world. There is no question that once CDs die, every downloadable track will be DRMed to the hilt.

      So please do not create an argument that automatically ties the honest use of music either to paid downloads or iTunes, they are pretty much mutually exclusive.

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    3. Re:no drm for me by Is0m0rph · · Score: 1

      Actually yes it's my legal collection. A combination of hundreds of CDs I still have packed away in boxes and free downloads. I listen to a lot of ambient/techno music that are downloadable free from sites like the Khavi collection and Resting Bell that are part of that collection. I was also a member of emusic.com back in the days of unlimited downloads and have a ton from there. I don't buy a whole lot of new music anymore. I have Sirius in the car and XM at home for that.

  41. non-Americans - where do you get your music? by gnuman99 · · Score: 1

    Except if you are not in US, then you are screwed. Apple doesn't even "offer" ability to buy non-DRM, so they are out. Amazon.com is for US only too. Essentially, you get screwed over up here in Canakistan. Instead of having DRM-free, they want to introduce a tax on all network connections so Britney can have more money as reported here before. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/28/2043259

    Where can I buy legal DRM-free online music in Canada? Yes, RIAA and similar, some people want to pay for good, DRM-free music for their non-iPod "iPods" (aka. mp3 players) and similar devices.

    1. Re:non-Americans - where do you get your music? by Rogue+Pat · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except if you are not in US, then you are screwed. Apple doesn't even "offer" ability to buy non-DRM, so they are out.
      Incorrect. Itunes Plus (which has a higher bitrate and drops DRM) is available outside the US as well. Currently only for EMI artist (iirc). These "plus" tracks have the same price as other tracks.
    2. Re:non-Americans - where do you get your music? by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      I like emusic.com myself - as long as you remember to download your 30 songs every month it's a pretty good deal, and they have a lot of stuff. Great way to discover new stuff too. I dunno if it's available in Canada though; I live in LA. (Where is Canada anyway - is that in the Valley?)

    3. Re:non-Americans - where do you get your music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, available in Canada... been using it for the past year (and since our dollar is better than the U.S., it's an ever better deal!).

    4. Re:non-Americans - where do you get your music? by tsa · · Score: 1

      You can buy CDs online.

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  42. Re:Doesn't everyone have a whole-house audio syste by DrVomact · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I really don't want to run speaker wire all over my house, nor do I really care about broadcasting my music from some central source. The kind of solution I would find attractive is just something like a plain old amplifier that reads MP3 via a USB input, and that can manage MP3 music reasonably well (i.e., has the ability to select playlists, or build a playlist by searches on the fly). Right now, I'd like a reasonably compact stereo I could put in my bedroom that will play from a USB stick or USB magnetic drive. Is there such an appliance out there?

    It seems to me that there would be a significant market for all kinds of USB-interfaced audio devices that could fill the niches that used to be occuppied by everything from boom boxes to living room stereos. Why do I have to have a computer to play my music at all?

    Right now, there's only 2 ways I can listen to my music: either sit by my computer (which pipes the music to a home-theater quality receiver via an optical out), or tediously load it onto my MP3 player (not an iPod). Why is this so fricking primitive and complicated at the same time?

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  43. DRM doesn't make it necessary by mmkkbb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On the other hand, the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating.

    It's convenient because you can buy one computer and one sound card and have music in three rooms, instead of buying multiple computers or really expensive Sonos appliances.

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    1. Re:DRM doesn't make it necessary by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1
      It's convenient because you can buy one computer and one sound card and have music in three rooms, instead of buying multiple computers or really expensive Sonos appliances.

      Erm, perhaps I'm being a little stupid here but in each room, or carried upon your person, you will presumably need some kind of appliance (web client?) that can access the central server over wireless so you can select tracks, turn it on and off, etc.? That still entails having an appliance to do that.

      And I hate to say this but unless you live in a particularly big (or sound-proofed) house, playing music simultaneously in more than one room is a bit pointless due to overhearing.

      And doesn't this therefore negate the need for an iPod which is designed to be carried around with you in whichever room, or other place, you go to?

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    2. Re:DRM doesn't make it necessary by mmkkbb · · Score: 1

      Erm, perhaps I'm being a little stupid here but in each room, or carried upon your person, you will presumably need some kind of appliance (web client?) that can access the central server over wireless so you can select tracks, turn it on and off, etc.? That still entails having an appliance to do that.

      Well, for this purpose Sonos sells a wireless control panel. In this case, instead of expensive satellite computers, you could have longer speaker cables to different areas.

      And I hate to say this but unless you live in a particularly big (or sound-proofed) house, playing music simultaneously in more than one room is a bit pointless due to overhearing.

      I don't think so. If I'm upstairs and listening to music, I certainly can't hear my wife listening to the stereo downstairs.

      And doesn't this therefore negate the need for an iPod which is designed to be carried around with you in whichever room, or other place, you go to?

      Maybe it does, but why would this be a problem for the manufacturer. They're not worried about cannibalizing the Pod market because they don't make them. Besides, who listens to headphones in the house? Granted, you could buy multiple iPod speaker units, I suppose. In any case, this unit wouldn't do shit for the car, or the office, or the train, or the bus, or the walk, or the gym, etc. etc.

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  44. Re:amazing! by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    impeach who? on what charge?

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  45. TFA specifies an over-engineered solution by ion.simon.c · · Score: 1

    The DRM'd streams go to analog outputs, yes?
    Get some 1970's technology (a couple of old stereos) and route the output of the sound card to the stereos, which route that to multiple pairs of speakers placed about the house.

    I'm certain that the components can be had for cheap at a thrift store.

  46. What did you do with CDs? Tapes? Records? by kasek · · Score: 1

    Just like with 'hard copies' of music, you are limited to playing back digital music (DRM or not) only in places where you have the proper equipment. Just like with any of those 'legacy' formats, they are useless without some sort of playback device, which for digital music is a computer, ipod, zune, etc.

    If I buy a CD, when I want to listen to it in another room, I have to take the CD to that room and put in the CD player. Just because I have a CD in the stereo in my bedroom doesn't mean I can listen to it when I am in the kitchen, or the family room. Why would I be able to listen to an MP3 in the livingroom if my playback equipment is in the bedroom?

    If I want to listen to an MP3 or iTunes download away from the computer it is currently located on, I can copy it to my ipod, connect the ipod to my receiver, and I am good to go. Or I can copy the song to another computer in another room (iTunes DRM allows you to authorize 5 computers). I can burn that music to a CD and play it in any cd player, anywhere. I can stream it to a wii or a xbox using freely available software.

    1. Re:What did you do with CDs? Tapes? Records? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1
      If I want to listen to an MP3 or iTunes download away from the computer it is currently located on, I can copy it to my ipod, connect the ipod to my receiver, and I am good to go. Or I can copy the song to another computer in another room (iTunes DRM allows you to authorize 5 computers). I can burn that music to a CD and play it in any cd player, anywhere. I can stream it to a wii or a xbox using freely available software.

      I can buy a CD in a nice plastic case with nice sleeve notes that I can arrange on a shelf with other CDs. I can take that CD and play it on any one of the CD players or PCs in my house or car, or indeed a friend's house or car. I can use freely available software to rip that CD to MP3, OGG, WAV, whatever I want at whatever quality rate I want.

      I can buy a low end PC for a few quid, load on Linux and a server streaming application, and play that MP3 on any other machine on my home network. I guess I can also stream it to an XBox or Wii also.

      I can play that track, in MP3 format, on any portable music player anywhere.

      I don't need to burn the tracks to a CD because I already have the CD.

      I'm not sure I understand what you're original argument is but there's no harm in my demonstrating why I believe CD is the most portable and useful format for music currently.

      I actually find it very difficult to understand why, based on the flexibility I've demonstrated, people are happy to pay for downloaded tracks when they are no cheaper, of a lower quality and have more DRM (if bought from iTunes) than a CD does.

      The only logical argument that anyone puts forward for paid downloads is the fact that it's possible to choose specific tracks - however, if the music artist does not have the skill to put together an album that is good from start to finish then you really need to be listening to some better music - or you're probably not the music fan you think you are if you cannot give a 60 minute album your entire attention for that long.

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    2. Re:What did you do with CDs? Tapes? Records? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Why would I be able to listen to an MP3 in the livingroom if my playback equipment is in the bedroom?

      Because I have equipment that can send the music to the living room. Why should I have to jump through hoops to do this?

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  47. The correct solution for the job! by ion.simon.c · · Score: 1

    Hear! Hear!

    I'm glad to see someone else with a decent head on his shoulders.
    "Wireless audio" this and "digital transmission" that... 99% of the time, a setup like yours does the job more than adequately.

  48. DRM has nothing to do with this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "On the other hand, the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating."

    DRM has nothing at all to do with this. If you want to the same stream in three different rooms, it doesn't make a lick of difference if the music is hindered with DRM. Get your head out of your ass, CmdrTaco.

    1. Re:DRM has nothing to do with this... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      Maybe you wouldn't need to stream music to three separate rooms if you could just loan the people in those rooms the CD instead?

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  49. or AppleTV by BiggerBadderBen · · Score: 1

    Access your iTunes library, and get video too! I was skeptical at first, but this little box is really cool.

  50. You gotta' check out Jinzora! by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1
    Have you checked out Jinzora? It's the coolest, most easily interfaced (both front end and back end) music server I've ever seen.

    Quick rundown of The Feature List to pique your interest:
    • on-demand streaming, you can play your media over a LAN or the internet using only a web browser and a player
    • on-the-fly transcoding
    • Jukebox Mode
    • When your computer is connected to your stereo set or a hardware jukebox device, you can use Jinzora to send your music to that device
    • Jinzora can automatically tag and organize your media collection and download song lyrics, album covers, artist pictures, biographies and reviews to complement it
    • The advanced built-in authentication system offers administrators a flexible way to control access for individual users or user groups.
    • user and media statistics, logging, RSS feeds, and an open API to access from third-party software.

    Plays and transcodes on the fly (at any bitrate) to:
    • AAC
    • M4A
    • Midi
    • MP3
    • MP4
    • Ogg Vorbis
    • RM
    • WMA

    More Geeky Specs (an impressive list!)

    I'm not affiliated with Jinzora in any way, it's just a software package that blows my socks off. And, it runs on Linux. Did I mention it's GPL'd? Oh, yeah, and it streams video, too. ;)
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  51. How does the .1 channel sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does the base channel sound like the other audio channels?

  52. surround sound 5.1 = 6 mono channels by ffflala · · Score: 1

    This can be done much more cheaply, of course.

    1. Save all music in a music folder.
    2. Use a player that can handle the audio files you use. (I've been satisfied using Audacious for a while now.) Or convert DRM to non-DRM formats, using the analog hole as the last resort.
    3. Use qjackctl to send the output of different players/instances to specific 5.1 channels (to direct a stereo mix to front LR, one to rear LR, and I assume they're combining the center and low frequency channel.)
    4. Run a stereo cable from the appropriate soundcard output to speaker inputs in the room needed.

    OR, you could shell out the $ for a this software, a "NuVo Grand Concerto or Essentia E6G multiroom audio system", and don't forget your Windows license and the licenses for your music.

    Your choice.

  53. Re:Doesn't everyone have a whole-house audio syste by jcgf · · Score: 1

    I've owned mp3 players that could take thumb drives (mine was kinda shitty but there are better ones). You could probably pick up some of them and a few old ghetto blasters with mic inputs (garage sales? ebay?) and basically have what you want. I know it's not as slick as an all in one unit but you could super glue the mp3 player to the cassette doors since you probably won't use them anymore. I use this kind of a setup as my main computer speakers and it works ok.

  54. Rear are better for most people by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1
    On EMU-10K2 (most? Audigy cards), the rear speakers have superior quality as compared to the front.

    From the Kx Audio Drivers FAQ

    These issues pertain to all Creative cards, but not to the E-mu APS and some Audigy2 Platinum Ex cards. Creative audio cards based on the EMU10kX audio DSP require a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) in order to produce analog output. In general, this task is typically performed by either AC97 Codecs or I2S Codecs.

    As a rule, Creative audio cards use the AC97 Codec for Front and Center/Subwoofer outputs, and I2S Codec for Rear output. The AC97 Codec is also used as an ADC (Analog to Digital Converter) and, thus, is responsible for all on-board analog inputs. (Note that LiveDrives and other DaughterBoard cards use different schemes).

    The AC97 Codecs used in SBLive! cards are rather noisy devices (when compared to I2S Codecs), and this leads to some quality problems. As a rule, SBLive Rear outputs have much better Signal To Noise Ratio (SNR), Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) and Channel Separation (acs) since they use the I2S Codec. So, if you want to get better sound quality for music playback it is recommended that you plug your speakers into the 'Rear Out' and enable the 'Swap Front and Rear' kX Mixer option (the swap is enabled by default).

    The Audigy and Audigy2 cards use both AC97 and I2S Codecs for Front output and this theoretically gives you rather good Front quality. But nevertheless, the AC97 Codec causes some distortion and thus the same procedure is recommended for use with Audigy / Audigy2 cards as well.

    Certain Audigy2 Platinum Ex cards lack AC97 codec and thus don't require Front and Rear outputs to be swapped.

    Of course, the above should be considered as a recommendation only.
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    1. Re:Rear are better for most people by ZERO1ZERO · · Score: 1
      Yes, I thought of this. I use the kxDrivers for years, they are pretty good.

      But how would I configure this FRONT/BACK swapping on an Ubuntu install ?

      Using a SBLive

      thanks

  55. Making an .iso (or .img or .dmg) on a Mac by Neurotic+Nomad · · Score: 1

    1. Open Disk Utility (Applications/Utilities)
    2. Press "New Image"
    3. Change the "Size" setting to 660MB (CD-ROM 80 min)
    4. Name the file in the "Save As" box, and
    5. Press "Create".

    Built into every Mac for the past half-decade.

  56. Until this very moment... by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 1

    ...I never really thought of my apartment as small. But here I am going "I don't see what the big deal is, my computer's 7.1 speakers already fill my whole place with music..."

    j/k j/k I know the difference. :P I think this sounds like a neat solution, though I don't care about iTunes at all.

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  57. Sometime the limits of our knowledge are the probl by Orig_Club_Soda · · Score: 0
    "On the other hand, the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating."

    Apple's iTunes let you share your playlist to several computers. This solution is completely unnecessary. Keep in mind DRM only came about because you'd rather steal media than buy it.

  58. Just buy CDs by whirred · · Score: 1

    You can get them from ebay, half.com, used record stores, everywhere. I never pay more than 9.99 for a CD, which is what a DRM crippled album at a poor bit rate costs at iTMS.

    You can rip them at any quality for any device, resell them,and you aren't hosed if your hard drive dies.

    1. Re:Just buy CDs by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      You forgot to mention that you can also lend CDs to friends and family - you can, of course, also lend them an iTunes track provided that you also lend them your iPod.

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  59. Sound artifacts: blips, skips & glitches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meanwhile, I still can't play an mp3 on my 5-month-old Vista machine without frequent sound glitches.

  60. Re:Sometime the limits of our knowledge are the pr by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1
    Apple's iTunes let you share your playlist to several computers.

    It's just a shame you can't share your playlist with friends.

    Keep in mind DRM only came about because you'd rather steal media than buy it.

    I own 1200+ original CDs. At an average of 10 tracks per CD, when you've downloaded a paid for 12000+ iTunes tracks, you and I can then talk on the same level about putting money into the music industry.

    Please do not be blinded by your love for Apple - someone who hates DRM and iTunes is not automatically a music thief.

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  61. I USB FM transmitters... by hamster_nz · · Score: 1
    It saves the hassle of the analogue wiring, and I can listen on the radio alarm clock and in the garden shed.

    They work under Linux as USB speakers, so I've got a MySQL DB of my MP3s and the music queue, a Apache/PHP front end to queue up the songs, and I use a shell script and mpg321 to take the tracks from the queues and play them. And if nothing is queued up, I've got a semi-random music selector program to keep the sounds coming - if you punt a song in the Web Gui, it gets played less often.

    Cost for a 3 FM channel system? Under $150 for the hardware, and half a day's coding.

  62. Stream music from anywhere to anywhere, DIY by billcopc · · Score: 1

    Anyone with a bit of programming/scripting skill can do this with a Linux box. The NuVo gear is mostly just an extreme remote control, and they've been selling those for years (they're quite nice).

    Splitting a 5.1 sound card into 3 stereo streams is nothing special, as that's how the outputs present themselves in the first place. The 5.1 is merely one interpretation of six outputs. In fact when you're playing a game that outputs 5.1, the game engine itself may refer to sounds in 1.5D/2D space, but the sound engine processes and mixes it all down to 6 plain old mono streams.

    (from the article) "There is no other company that can do multiple-output iTunes"

    Simple: give Apple a ton of money and ask them nice. Or skip iTunes entirely and use a non-crippled player and format. Any sound daemon worth its compilation time should be able to route three different sound players to their own output jacks... piece of cake! The fact that iTunes does not support that operation by default is a design limitation, not a technical one.

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  63. Almost there! by tentonbricks · · Score: 1

    Just one stream away from Zaireeka!

  64. Or just... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a Sonos and get better sound, open formats and 32 zones.

  65. Re:Sometime the limits of our knowledge are the pr by Orig_Club_Soda · · Score: 0
    It's just a shame you can't share your playlist with friends.

    I guess I am just smarter than you. I can stream my iTunes bought songs AND CD bought songs to my friends and to other rooms (Which the the guy who posted is infuriated about. The article is not about streaming to friends or over the 'net. But you failed to understand that too.)

    And if you serious bought $12,000 worth of DRM protected music AND you dislike DRM, your simply a fool. But I think you are exaggerating.

  66. Re:Sometime the limits of our knowledge are the pr by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1
    I guess I am just smarter than you. I can stream my iTunes bought songs AND CD bought songs to my friends and to other rooms.

    And if one of those friends says "Ooh, I like that track, can I borrow a copy?", what happens then Mr "Smarter than me"? I can just run upstairs to my study, fetch the CD off of a shelf and say "Here you go then."

    And if you serious bought $12,000 worth of DRM protected music AND you dislike DRM, your simply a fool. But I think you are exaggerating.

    It's a shame you're not smart enough to read my comment fully before acting on gut reaction, isn't it? Because had you read my comment, you would have seen that I own 1200 CDs (and not one godeforesaken iTunes track) which roughly equates to 12000 tracks of music (at say an average of 10 tracks per CD.

    Therefore my point was that an iTunes user who has paid for and downloaded 12000+ tracks from there can then talk to me at an equivalent level about supporting the music industry on the basis he/she is getting a bit closer to the money I myself have spent on legal music.

    Like I said in another post, do not equate someone who hates DRM and iTunes to someone who does not pay for and enjoy music. If anything, because I have the patience to sit down and thoroughly enjoy an album or two from start to finish, rather than mess about with playlists and compilations, it probably makes me a better listener of music.

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  67. 10 Facts For The Apple Fanbois by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1
    01 - A lot of music fans prefer to listen to entire albums from start to finish rather than picking tracks from an album to put into a playlist. Get used to it.

    02 - A lot of music fans are happy to go and hunt down CDs at the cheapest prices possible which ultimately means it costs less for a CD than it does buying the tracks individually on iTunes. Get used to it.

    03 - A lot of music fans prefer to buy their music on CD (even vinyl) to get what they believe is the best reproduction of that music on their hifi equipment rather than paying for lossy downloads. Get used to it.

    04 - A lot of music fans find CDs excellent value for money. This is because they are discerning people who may break the law occasionally by downloading an album from BitTorrent or Usenet but ultimately buy the album if it is good. This means they never buy a bad CD meaning they are very pleased with CDs as a product and are more likely to go buy even more of them. Get used to it.

    05 - Not all albums have only one or two good tracks on them. If you consider this justification for buying music track-by-track then knock yourselves out. However, by diligent selection, it is entirely possible to find wholly excellent albums that will keep you listening from start to finish. Get used to it.

    06 - A lot of music fans are not politicians. If Sony, EMI or one of the big record companies release a good album, they will go buy it and enjoy it. They will possibly also go check out the product of small independent labels. If they are kept satisfied by good music and enough of it, they really don't care who marketed it. Get used to it.

    07 - A lot of music fans feel they get more for their money by getting a plastic case, disk and some sleevenotes to read on the toilet rather than downloading it. Get used to it.

    08 - A lot of music fans do own iPods and non-proprietary players in order to play the music they themselves have ripped from their own collections as a matter of portability and convenience and never once go anywhere near iTunes. Get used to it.

    09 - A lot of CD-buying music fans hate music thieves because the former end up subsidising the latter by virtue of what they buy. Get used to it.

    10 - By virtue of being a CD-buying music fan, it is perfectly possible to be an honest user of music whilst hating DRM and DRM-peddlars like Apple and iTunes. Get used to it.

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  68. Hardhack it. by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

    Hrm, not sure. ALSA scares me. I kinda' like pulseAudio because I haven't tried to set it up yet. Swap your cables at the sound card. Plug the rear in to the front and the front to the rear. :)

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  69. Re:Doesn't everyone have a whole-house audio syste by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

    You'll not be able to find the minimum gauge wire you'll need (probably 16, maybe 14) for under $100. I just ran a 9.1 surround setup in my studio apartment; for a approx. 15' x 10' corner, it took me around 200 feet of wire or so and each spool of 16 AWG was somewhere around $40-$45 retail from WallyWorld and RadioShack. If you value your equipment, you'll use at least an 18 AWG for any run over, say, 20 feet.

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  70. Jack Restasking in Intel HD Audio! by juventasone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm amazed no one has mentioned this, but when Intel defined the HD Audio specification in 2004 (used in most new computers sold today) it included an ability called Jack Retasking. This allows any jack to function as anything, including a second or third stereo output, or even additional microphones. The problem is hardware manufacturers still don't implement the entire specification, even though the specification is part of Vista's new audio architecture called UAA (also to be included in XP SP3).

    IMHO, fully implementing HD Audio would be the greatest audio enhancement for multimedia and home theater PCs since their conception.