Right now CS is down, and it not going to go up for the foreseeable future. I'd say ECE for the guy.
I disagree. Do what makes you happy. As a CS undergrad student, I work for a company which has a Computer engineering graduate, and Computer science graduate doing the same work. The computer engineering guy used to work for a major cell phone manufacturer before the engineering jobs there got outsourced.
The CS guy is no better off, but point is, they're both outsourceable. Do what you want. Do not go to school for what makes money, that is retarded. In the long run, you will not make money that way.
I have other interests besides CS (such as business writing) which means I am not worried about work after graduation, frankly. But all I'm seeing in this thread is the pot calling the kettle black on outsourcing. And it's kinda pathetic.
Right now CS is down, and it not going to go up for the foreseeable future. I'd say ECE for the guy.
I disagree. Do what makes you happy. As a CS undergrad student, I work for a company which has a Computer engineering graduate, and Computer science graduate doing the same work. The computer engineering guy used to work for a major cell phone manufacturer before the engineering jobs there got outsourced.
The CS guy is no better off, but point is, they're both outsourcible. Do what you want. Do not go to school for what makes money, that is retarded. In the long run, you will not make money that way.
I have other interests besides CS (such as business writing) which means I am not worried about work after graduation, frankly. But all I'm seeing in this thread is the pot calling the kettle black on outsourcing. And it's kinda pathetic.
Since I have no interest in becoming a lawyer, ambulance/patent chasing money or not, there is no point. It is not a strong argument for choosing one major over the other.
When I was at Stanford, I had the same decision to make. I wanted a dual major in Physics and something useful, so I had to make a choice: EE or CS?
In the end, I found that the challenges of EE were better suited to my interests and that I could learn as much CS as I'd ever need on my own. I was more interested in the sort of high end problem domains you see in processor design and such. I was not so interested in the sorts of semi-skilled professions of coding and systems administrations. I wanted to unlock the secrets of the universe!
I still haven't gotten around to that part, but I am doing work in the field I love and that's what's important.
Are you for real? Computer science is no more "semi-skilled coding" than Electrical Engineering is "I can make my own PC from parts I buy online."
That was a pretty ignorant statement. The skillsets overlap too, a lot of mathematical theory is used in both, and much of it is identical.
I can summarize this whole thread, coneheaded EE people will say EE, coneheaded CS people with say CS, and the smartest ones have already said do what *you* like.
Hauppauge always seemed to have better drivers? Bwah ha ha. That's laughable. I had one of Hauppauge's earlier cards, the high-end card before the -250 and -350, and the drivers were TERRIBLE. I don't think they ever released Microsoft-certified drivers. In any case, they regularly caused my computer to lock up and even when they worked, they didn't work very well
Totally agree. Got the Hauppage card in 97 or 98, no tech support, caused computer hanging and sometimes reboots, didn't work half the time. Sometimes it just displayed a purple screen, as I recall. Took it out and threw it away, $128 down the drain. Back in 98 that was a lot of money.
I'll agree with this. For example, being a long time subscrier to PC Gamer magazine, it seems like all the previews were absolutely enamoured with the games before they came out.
"Oh man, this one scene they had was awesome, it will change game technology forever." Then the review comes out and its like "eh, we give it 57% it has good graphics but the gameplay stinks."
Most memorably this happened with the original "Aliens vs Predator" PC game. They went on and on about how awesome this game would be because the aliens could walk on the ceiling. I bought it on that, and was suprised to see it wasn't nearly as good as I thought it would be. Later they reviewed it and gave it a ho-hum rating. Another example was the game "Gangsters", how novel to have an RTS about gangters controlling a city. Only to find it sucked once you paid for it, and have that confirmed by the review later on.
For product previews it just seems like they can't say anything bad, so completely disregard those. It's like saying "This might be a good product!", it's completely useless information.
Tanembaum also warned against using PIE to thwart consumers.
"Any abuse of this technology is not welcomed by us," Tanembaum said. "We believe people should use this technology responsibly. If people don't want cookies in place, then (their browsers) shouldn't be tagged."
Hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Who does he think 99.9999% of the consumers of this technology will be? And what they will do with it?
Looks like a pretty pathetic attempt to disguise the obvious.
If they showed other people the source code to windows, their team of lawyers would swoop down on anyone using their code and take everything they have and ever will have or create.
Oh yeah?
From wikipedia:
Open source refers to projects that are open to the public and which draw on other projects that are freely available to the general public.
I was responding to the "hypothetical question" about Microsoft "open sourcing" their stuff, a really huge 'what if.' Not the "shared source" idea they are actually talking about.
You disagree with something, but it wasn't what I was writing about.
IMO, it would mean multiple variations of Windows would spawn, and then those variations would spawn variations, and so on, and so on...
And these variations would not necessarily be compatible with each other.
Then some company would create an operating system that was closed source, and tout its ability to stay consistent.
And people would flock to that OS. Eventually there would be maltontent over features, implementations, monopolizing, etc.
Then the whole process would start over again.
I go to the U of A in Tucson, and have seen tons of speech against the war in Iraq. Protests like that in China would be met with ak-47's and tanks, as evidenced with Tiennenmen square.
However, I concede that this particular instance of bulletin board stifling, does not appear to be out of the ordinary of any country.
Unless they are awaiting an unknown death sentence while the media hooplah dies down. I certainly hope that is not correct.
And yes it appears the Chinese gov't doesn't have control over your internet connection. But, it's only a matter of time. Enjoy it while you can.
Those of you who think that Aol is the same company it was in the early/mid 90s, resting on it's laurels at having many dial-up subscribers are using out of date thinking yourselves.
Years ago Aol changed it's business model to be a content provider more than an internet service provider.
Want to read a CNN news article at www.cnn.com? CNN wants you to get a news pass? You don't need one with Aol. Want to watch an ABC news video. ABC wants you to subscribe? You don't have to on Aol. Same with Wall Street journal, etc, etc. You can see music videos before they come out on MTV, due to lucrative agreements. Many online magazines are available free of charge. CD quality radio stations, etc. If you have a broadband connection this is $14.95 for this type of content.
There has been a lot of changes with it, it is far from the company lost in the 90s without a clue. But keep on thinking what you need to to make yourselves feel better.
Yes. From these last two elections, I have learned that Republicans are good at trashing people who run against them, but little else.
Case in point, Republicans control all branches the government, and we have crap on a stick for an economy.
Republicans suck./Former Republican who used to buy into their lies.//I'm glad I made the switch
Being a former submarine sailor myself I would have to agree with you. I would not vote for Bush if I was in right now, no f'ing way. And I was Republican until he came along. Now I'm independant and my entire political philosophy has changed.
They have a Global War on Terror medal? Given its current context that is disturbing.
Just to clarify, "not overly worried" != "not worried." I found it to be quite disturbing in fact. It was only in the context of beheadings and nonstop suicide bombs that it didn't seem to make me feel like the sky was falling in of itself.
The fact that we should be better than that does make it an ugly scar on our history. And I regret the day Bush was voted into office by the narrowest of majorities.
So it's ok to blame American citizens for the stupidity that their leaders do. Sweet.
Can we blame European civilians for sitting idly by while millions and millions of Jews were exterminated? Looking the other direction as their friends and neighbors were carted off one by one and incinerated?
"I don't know what that smell is John, it couldn't be burning human flesh though."
If Abu Ghuraib is the worst we've done (not to make light of it, it was bad) than I'm not overly worried.
The cool thing about us in the US is, we do something about it. We will vote this guy out of office and we won't pretend it didn't happen. And we openly confront his BS rather than turning away and pretending it doesn't matter.
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Right now CS is down, and it not going to go up for the foreseeable future. I'd say ECE for the guy.
I disagree. Do what makes you happy. As a CS undergrad student, I work for a company which has a Computer engineering graduate, and Computer science graduate doing the same work. The computer engineering guy used to work for a major cell phone manufacturer before the engineering jobs there got outsourced.
The CS guy is no better off, but point is, they're both outsourceable. Do what you want. Do not go to school for what makes money, that is retarded. In the long run, you will not make money that way.
I have other interests besides CS (such as business writing) which means I am not worried about work after graduation, frankly. But all I'm seeing in this thread is the pot calling the kettle black on outsourcing. And it's kinda pathetic.
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Right now CS is down, and it not going to go up for the foreseeable future. I'd say ECE for the guy. I disagree. Do what makes you happy. As a CS undergrad student, I work for a company which has a Computer engineering graduate, and Computer science graduate doing the same work. The computer engineering guy used to work for a major cell phone manufacturer before the engineering jobs there got outsourced. The CS guy is no better off, but point is, they're both outsourcible. Do what you want. Do not go to school for what makes money, that is retarded. In the long run, you will not make money that way. I have other interests besides CS (such as business writing) which means I am not worried about work after graduation, frankly. But all I'm seeing in this thread is the pot calling the kettle black on outsourcing. And it's kinda pathetic.
Since I have no interest in becoming a lawyer, ambulance/patent chasing money or not, there is no point. It is not a strong argument for choosing one major over the other.
"Easier to become a lawyer" gives hardware engineering an advantage over software engineering? I don't think so.
It just means, come the revolution, you'll be up against the wall too.
Code efficiency is based on mathematical correctness, not hardware tweaks. It is universal and not specific to hardware.
When I was at Stanford, I had the same decision to make. I wanted a dual major in Physics and something useful, so I had to make a choice: EE or CS? In the end, I found that the challenges of EE were better suited to my interests and that I could learn as much CS as I'd ever need on my own. I was more interested in the sort of high end problem domains you see in processor design and such. I was not so interested in the sorts of semi-skilled professions of coding and systems administrations. I wanted to unlock the secrets of the universe! I still haven't gotten around to that part, but I am doing work in the field I love and that's what's important.
Are you for real? Computer science is no more "semi-skilled coding" than Electrical Engineering is "I can make my own PC from parts I buy online."
That was a pretty ignorant statement. The skillsets overlap too, a lot of mathematical theory is used in both, and much of it is identical.
I can summarize this whole thread, coneheaded EE people will say EE, coneheaded CS people with say CS, and the smartest ones have already said do what *you* like.
This site sells a somewhat modern one for $20. It's an inexpensive way to try it out. I would imagine it has improved since the late 90s. Never heard of any other brands that sell those. http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p= ItemDetail&item=CRD10186
Hauppauge always seemed to have better drivers? Bwah ha ha. That's laughable. I had one of Hauppauge's earlier cards, the high-end card before the -250 and -350, and the drivers were TERRIBLE. I don't think they ever released Microsoft-certified drivers. In any case, they regularly caused my computer to lock up and even when they worked, they didn't work very well
Totally agree. Got the Hauppage card in 97 or 98, no tech support, caused computer hanging and sometimes reboots, didn't work half the time. Sometimes it just displayed a purple screen, as I recall. Took it out and threw it away, $128 down the drain. Back in 98 that was a lot of money.
I'll agree with this. For example, being a long time subscrier to PC Gamer magazine, it seems like all the previews were absolutely enamoured with the games before they came out.
"Oh man, this one scene they had was awesome, it will change game technology forever." Then the review comes out and its like "eh, we give it 57% it has good graphics but the gameplay stinks."
Most memorably this happened with the original "Aliens vs Predator" PC game. They went on and on about how awesome this game would be because the aliens could walk on the ceiling. I bought it on that, and was suprised to see it wasn't nearly as good as I thought it would be. Later they reviewed it and gave it a ho-hum rating. Another example was the game "Gangsters", how novel to have an RTS about gangters controlling a city. Only to find it sucked once you paid for it, and have that confirmed by the review later on.
For product previews it just seems like they can't say anything bad, so completely disregard those. It's like saying "This might be a good product!", it's completely useless information.
They do it via tech support. Simple as that.
I love this part in the article:
Tanembaum also warned against using PIE to thwart consumers. "Any abuse of this technology is not welcomed by us," Tanembaum said. "We believe people should use this technology responsibly. If people don't want cookies in place, then (their browsers) shouldn't be tagged."
Hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Who does he think 99.9999% of the consumers of this technology will be? And what they will do with it?
Looks like a pretty pathetic attempt to disguise the obvious.
If they showed other people the source code to windows, their team of lawyers would swoop down on anyone using their code and take everything they have and ever will have or create.
Oh yeah?
From wikipedia:
Open source refers to projects that are open to the public and which draw on other projects that are freely available to the general public.
I was responding to the "hypothetical question" about Microsoft "open sourcing" their stuff, a really huge 'what if.' Not the "shared source" idea they are actually talking about. You disagree with something, but it wasn't what I was writing about.
IMO, it would mean multiple variations of Windows would spawn, and then those variations would spawn variations, and so on, and so on... And these variations would not necessarily be compatible with each other. Then some company would create an operating system that was closed source, and tout its ability to stay consistent. And people would flock to that OS. Eventually there would be maltontent over features, implementations, monopolizing, etc. Then the whole process would start over again.
I go to the U of A in Tucson, and have seen tons of speech against the war in Iraq. Protests like that in China would be met with ak-47's and tanks, as evidenced with Tiennenmen square. However, I concede that this particular instance of bulletin board stifling, does not appear to be out of the ordinary of any country. Unless they are awaiting an unknown death sentence while the media hooplah dies down. I certainly hope that is not correct. And yes it appears the Chinese gov't doesn't have control over your internet connection. But, it's only a matter of time. Enjoy it while you can.
That's cool and stuff. Looking at your homepage, could you be any more in love with yourself? Ick.
I'm glad there was an article to click on, because that description was poorly written.
I've run into that, and uninstalling Messenger Plus v3 was simple and quite effective at removing it. Screw its "features."
This is like, just a few minutes long and stuff.
http://www.compfused.com/directlink/107/
Those of you who think that Aol is the same company it was in the early/mid 90s, resting on it's laurels at having many dial-up subscribers are using out of date thinking yourselves. Years ago Aol changed it's business model to be a content provider more than an internet service provider. Want to read a CNN news article at www.cnn.com? CNN wants you to get a news pass? You don't need one with Aol. Want to watch an ABC news video. ABC wants you to subscribe? You don't have to on Aol. Same with Wall Street journal, etc, etc. You can see music videos before they come out on MTV, due to lucrative agreements. Many online magazines are available free of charge. CD quality radio stations, etc. If you have a broadband connection this is $14.95 for this type of content. There has been a lot of changes with it, it is far from the company lost in the 90s without a clue. But keep on thinking what you need to to make yourselves feel better.
Just think, if we had one of your redneck honkey tonk morons as a Senator instead of him, we might still be dialing into bbs's today. You suck.
Yes. From these last two elections, I have learned that Republicans are good at trashing people who run against them, but little else. Case in point, Republicans control all branches the government, and we have crap on a stick for an economy. Republicans suck. /Former Republican who used to buy into their lies. //I'm glad I made the switch
Tabs rule! For side by side comparison of information there is no equal.
Being a former submarine sailor myself I would have to agree with you. I would not vote for Bush if I was in right now, no f'ing way. And I was Republican until he came along. Now I'm independant and my entire political philosophy has changed.
They have a Global War on Terror medal? Given its current context that is disturbing.
Just to clarify, "not overly worried" != "not worried." I found it to be quite disturbing in fact. It was only in the context of beheadings and nonstop suicide bombs that it didn't seem to make me feel like the sky was falling in of itself.
The fact that we should be better than that does make it an ugly scar on our history. And I regret the day Bush was voted into office by the narrowest of majorities.
So it's ok to blame American citizens for the stupidity that their leaders do. Sweet.
Can we blame European civilians for sitting idly by while millions and millions of Jews were exterminated? Looking the other direction as their friends and neighbors were carted off one by one and incinerated?
"I don't know what that smell is John, it couldn't be burning human flesh though."
If Abu Ghuraib is the worst we've done (not to make light of it, it was bad) than I'm not overly worried.
The cool thing about us in the US is, we do something about it. We will vote this guy out of office and we won't pretend it didn't happen. And we openly confront his BS rather than turning away and pretending it doesn't matter.