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Batch-o-Moz: Firefox, Thunderbird, Suite Released
bluephone writes "Today Mozilla.org has unleashed a triple threat; Firefox 1.0PR, Thunderbird 0.8, and Mozilla Suite 1.7.3. Wow. Lots of news in all three fronts. so, for your release notes, sys-requirements, what's new, and download links, here you go. Firefox, Thunderbird, and Mozilla Suite. Enjoy."
is to convert an I.E. / outlook user to Mozilla / Thunderbird today ...
go on, you know it makes sense - if anything it'll make the internet faster without all the outlook generated spam flying around.
Fry: heh, Yakov Smirnoff said it
Leela: No he didn't.
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Seriously it's a hard job convincing people that it's stable when the developers are still putting Zero Point releases , especially at work. 1.1 Sounds a LOT more stable than 9.0 ... to some people at least.
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Not Found /pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/0.10/Firefox Setup 1.0PR.exe was not found on this server.
Apache/2.0.49 (Gentoo/Linux) Server at ftp.mozilla.org Port 80
The requested URL
Anyone got a torrent up?
I feel like there should be some obvious joke about hand lotion to be come up with here but I just can't quite grasp it. Someone give me a hand here.
http://www.spreadfirefox.com/
and
http://www.getfirefox.com/
It said my adblock version was out of date, asked if I wanted it to go and update it for me... yes please :)
WebDeveloper toolbar seems fine.
more than half of my extensions, even if they really are compatible with firefox 1.0, still say they're only good for 0.9.x+, not 0.9+, which means that firefox 1.0 won't install and use them.
biggest pain in the ass -- firefox won't let the user override an extension's compatibility setting.
I can only hope they all change their settings soon...
"But remember, most lynch mobs aren't this nice." (H.Simpson)
-- Joe
I always thought the names were gonna change as usual when firefox reached the 1.0pre release.. something like firewolf or fire-extinguisher :))
fifteen jugglers, five believers
All the themes I was using with 0.9.3 (on WinXP) are not compatible with 1.0PR, and that includes the neat Noia 2.0.
I wonder if it's really a compatibility problem, or a bug.
Love Firefox, but I wish they'd fix the bugs.
I am still stuck at Firefox 0.8 under Linux with Enlightenment due to serious focus problems with the recent releases.. And I do not want to be left behind!
I open everything in new windows and usually close them using the keyboard. That does not work if the focus is wrong, etc. Mouse-centric folk won't notice this much but it is a killer for me.
I think this is the bug and it looks like it is being ignored:
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There's also a new community marketing effort at SpreadFirefox.com, and one of their first goals is 1 million downloads in 10 days. Come on Slashdot, spread the word, we can do it!
In addition to the release of new versions of Firefox, Thunderbird, and Mozilla suite, the Mozilla Foundation have launched a new marketing campign titled Spread Firefox.
The goal is to see 1,000,000 downloads achieved in the first 10 days!
Get downloading Slashdot.
Ross Kendall Web Consultant and Developer (UK) - Drupal and Open Source Solutions
Thank you for making a wonderful browser. Thank you for gaining market share and thank you for stopping this non-standard-compilant IE madness. Image a world where all browsers have to follow Microsofts web standards to have all pages displayed correctly. One or two years ago, I thought exactly this would happen, but with Mozilla and Opera being such great products, websites are now W3C compilant with little IE tweaks. Thank you oh so very much.
"The 1.0 final release won't be out for another month or so"
"The version number for this release is 0.10PR. For those who still count in decimal, 0.10 is larger than 0.9, despite what you were taught in school."
RTFA
I did one this week-end.
The guy (in his 50's) had dramatic pop-up and scumware problems. I pointed him to mozilla + adaware, thinking that, he would not care, because it is not IE.
Boy I was wrong. He was over-enthusiast. He downloaded it as fast as possible, and now is not using ie anymore.
I am really impressed, as it is the first time I convert someone over 30.
Pop-up blocking, annoyance killing is *the* selling point of firefox. I didn't knew how fucked was ie browsing until I talked with this guy. The web was becoming useless for him, and he was driven crazy by frustration.
... to the Slashdot rendering problems I have with 0.9?
My poor F5 key is getting worn...
Sadly, I think it's an Old Skool Slashdot issue. Will anyone ever drag my favorite site out of 1996 and introduce it to some lovely CSS-P?
Yours, in hope...
The mozilla suite have literaly changed the face of the internet for me. Not just pop up stoppers, or tabbed browsing, or it being free. It just cooler, something that IE won't have. How can MS compete with a name like Firefox? Or Thunderbird
Karma whoring
I'd rather wait for 1.0.
The one thing I was waiting for in Thunderbird. Putting all your POP3 accounts into one main folder.
I couldn't believe they didn't have this feature earlier and when I switched over from Outlook Express I was severely disappointed that I had to look through two different folders for new mail.
Hopefully they'll upgrade the spam filter as well... because as far as I can tell it doesn't work too great, or maybe I'm just stupid.
Personally, I wish to wait until FireFox has a standard 1.0 release before converting a user to it. Yes, you did say Mozilla, but I prefer FireFox.
:)
Even though FireFox @ 0.9 is better than IE @ 6.0, Service Pack 2, I've decided to wait until it has a stable, 1.0 release to "convert" users. Doesn't seem like I will have to wait that much longer. The only reason I do this is because there are a few bugs, imo, that are confusing, to say the least. I can work around them, but at least with my friends using IE, it's not my fault if something goes wrong.
As for Mozilla Thunderbird... even though it isn't 1.0, I haven't had ANY problems with it. Converting my mom to that was simple enough. I just told her it didn't boot you offline like AOL.
Seriously, AOL sux. My mom is really happy with Thunderbird. It downloads her email, she reads the email, the end. No calendars, headline news, advertisements, etc. It gets the job done, and quite efficiently.
So: I accept the mission. But I won't carry it out... yet.
Should this not read "triple treat"?
IE is no match for Firefox, but IMHO (and as much as I love it) Thunderbird still needs to catch up to Outlook. Outlook 2003 just has more features and a better interface. Major things I'm waiting on before switching to Thunderbird at work are integration with SynCE and the Novell Connector.
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These are generally the only two apps I need to suggest for PC users having problems. One other app that just makes people happy is PDFCreator (pdfcreator.sf.net) which adds a PDF printer to your system printer folder - great if you don't want to shell out $100 for acrobat.
I hope they integrate the bookmark sorting extension into Firefox 1.1, since it doesn't appear to be in 1.0. I hate to be pedantic, but bookmark sorting really is useful and rather important for many people, and whilst I know Firefox goes with the attitude that as little as possible superfluous functionality should be included as possible and left to extensions, many users can't be bothered to install them, and besides, sorting bookmarks ranks up there with "Printing" for me.
I'm a bench technician for a local ISP just outside of Omaha. 90% of my job is cleaning pron dialers/browser hijacks/etc off people's computers, mostly through Ad-Aware and AVG. Think as soon as Firefox goes to 1.0 I'll start throwing that in there too on the grounds (and rightly so) that it's more secure than Internet Explorer.
Doing my part!
However, two things that have kept me from making a greater push into converting folks have been Thunderbird's buggy LDAP support (our company email directory is LDAP) and the lack of a central calendar. Yes, I use the calendar add-on, and am aware of the stand-alone product, but until it can talk with our Exchange server, the conversion process will be painful. I was willing to do it because I prefer having the same system at work as at home (where I run Linux). Most folks here aren't going to be quite as motivated...
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Parents, check. Friends, check. Heck, even my neighbors use Firefox.
Hunh. It'll be interesting to watch the browser numbers. Most of the people I know are pretty internet savvy or know someone who is savvy. The rest (like my SO and roommate) run various *nix or OSX.
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Pop-up blocking, annoyance killing is *the* selling point of firefox.
Be sure to show newbies how to use tabs and find-as-you-type! IE will soon be blocking popups.
Send lawyers, guns, and money. Dad, get me out of this.
Has the Slashdot bug been fixed in the 1.7 branch?
http://www.robert.to/mozilla/mozbug.html
Currently I use a trunk nightly, because it's fixed there.
Did this with my father. He's 55. Now he's preaching the FireFox-gospel to everyone he meets.
No, he's not a techie/nerd/geek. He's just an average joe with a new cool thing.
I enjoy large posteriors and I cannot prevaricate.
I switched back and forth from Firefox to IE during the Pheonix/Fire(bird|fox) betas and I have to say there's zero incentive to use IE at this time. Firefox is just plain leaner and meaner. IE's lack of extensions is just the killer.
Thanks to the Firebird team for keeping at it all this time. I will be the first to admit that I thought it was impossible to dethrone IE when Firebird was announced. Thanks for proving me wrong. Great work guys.
I did some poking around but can't find md5sums for the new versions -- anyone know where they are?
XP+SP2 is good enough compared to the pain of plugins and sites that still don't run right in anything but IE. Sorry.
Situation: If you type in an address in Firefox -- about:plugins, yahoo.com (with or without http:// and www.) -- and hit enter, nothing happens.
That's right the *enter key* is ignored.
Also happens for the search field.
Details: Windows 98 system. RC1 and other recient 9.x releases. Firefox was removed and reinstalled multiple times to avoid this. Works fine on all other systems I've encountered (Win XP, 2000, and Fedora Linux). I found one person who also experienced this, though they were planing the uninstall/reinistall tactic and did not report the results.
A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
I open everything in new windows and usually close them using the keyboard. That does not work if the focus is wrong, etc. Mouse-centric folk won't notice this much but it is a killer for me.
Agreed, I run across it all the time myself. I use tabs, and other tabs are always stealing the focus as I'm typing. This can be a serious security issue because this will often happen as I'm typing in username/passwords and I'll realize that I've typed my password into some other tab and submitted it when I pressed [return].
I'd actually recommend turning off tabs, just because the newbies will probably be less likely to use Firefox if they have to deal with tabs since it's something different than they're used to.
;)
Many not-quite-computer-literate people will get very frustrated if any little thing changes, and something like that would probably be enough to send a bunch of them back to IE.
Plus, tabs suck. New windows 4 lyfe!
I just downloaded the new version, and all I can say is WOW!
/. as soon as the browser was opened, no waiting (previously, on the same connection, there was always some delay--and yes, I know network conditions make a huge difference for this).
Previously, startup times were less than that of IE, now I can honestly say that there is no noticeable difference. It also found
If I can show this to people and say, "hey, look, it even starts faster than IE!"--then they will be impressed!
Kudos to the moz team!
"We don't know what we are doing, but we are doing it very carefully,..." Wherry, R.J. Personnel Psychology (1995)
Today's releases of Firefox and Thunderbird seem to have been taken off the FTP server. I downloaded them at home this morning at 7am EST but they are currently (~9am EST) AWOL. I hope they're setting up mirrors and/or bittorrent feeds.
Damien
For my computer at home I prefer a straight binary with no installer crap, but for corporate deployment a multiuser-friendly MSI package is a must. It's the only thing I miss in FireFox. The point is to deploy FF from a server and have it working for low privilege users without them having to do any work.
There are some hacks about but I haven't managed to get it working in a satisfactory manner. I'd deploy it across the entire organisation (100 or so PCs) at the drop of a hat if I had a working MSI package. It's a school, too, so many accounts and users per machine.
I'm sorry if I haven't offended anyone
Why the heck would I want that? The same way I don't want the big honkin' PST file of doom that Outlook wants to give me, I want to be able to separate out the e-mail from various sources.
I suspect you might be in a minority as far as people wanting that feature goes.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
While I would have agreed with you several months back about Outlook having better features and whatnot, Outlook, for no apparent reason (good ol' MS software), started having a mysterious problem with passwords which meant I couldn't access any of my emails on any of my accounts. Having used Thunderbird in it's early releases, I wasn't too keen about swapping back to it, but I had no other choice (well, apart from webmail, but then I can't tell whenever I recieve emails, which is always a pain).
After swapping back, I had realised that Thunderbird had improved greatly and I'm very glad that Outlook b0rked up, otherwise I'd probably still be using it now.
Thunderbird probably does have a lot of features that Outlook doesn't have (or at least didn't appear to have), but I'm perfectly happy with the features Thunderbird does have and I don't require anything extra from it. It's interface looks much better than Outlooks boring GUI and it's junk mail filter is also extremely accurate, IMO - having marked around 98% of my junk emails as junk emails, with only 1 or 2 false positives in the whole time I've used it.
Anyway, you mustn't forget that features shouldn't be the only reason to swap over.. Outlook does have severe security issues that need to be addressed (anyone have a link to that bug where people aren't supposed to start emails with a certain word, because it makes Outlook think the rest of the email is actually a file? HAH!). Yeah, Thunderbird might have security issues too, but I seel much safer with TB than OL.
My 2c.
But isn't that wrong?
I prefer to not popup most popups, but the ones that I want should show up in tabs instead of new windows.
Galeon let me have all popups show up in new tabs.
Firefox 0.9.3 blocks some popups, has some pop up in tabs, and others in windows.
Will this issue be fixed?
Unfortunately I do need popups for an application at work which is at a well defined web address. That application must use two different ways to popup windows. Some show up in new tabs, some in new windows in Firfox. In Galeon they all showed up in new tabs.
Where law ends, tyranny begins -- William Pitt
The links to MozillaNews are dead currently, so I can't check, but here goes my biggest complaint with Mozilla/Firefox. If you know how I can do what I want, by the way, please reply so I can start using Firefox more efficiently.
Sure, it may render pages on all platforms exactly the same, and give the same Javascript behavior. That's great, and I appreciate it.
But what is really getting me down is that I cannot, to my knowledge, browse using keyboard navigation on MacOS X like I can on both Windows and Linux. I use Find-as-You-Type and navigation among links with the Tab key all the time on Linux and Windows, but when I start using my Powerbook I have to give most of that up and use the touchpad.
For example, in the administration portion of a website that I work on, if I'd like to be able to make a new entry into the database, I can do it all without a mouse on Windows or Linux. I tab among the text entry boxes, dropdown boxes, and buttons and do my work. I can get to another tab and grab some text or a link, and then back to the tab where I'm doing data entry and paste the retreived information. All without the mouse.
Unless there is something big I'm missing, you absolutely cannot do this on MacOS X with the same efficiency.
I now work from time to time on all three major platforms: Windows, MacOS X, and Linux. While I like various parts of all three, I have to say that I find the keyboard accessibility of GNOME and Mozilla on Linux preferable to anything on the other two. Then again, Linux is also where I've spent the most time, but it sure was easier to find the keystrokes and customization options I wanted there than it is on Windows (and, so far, MacOS X).
Incidentally, I have also tried Safari (has the Option-Tab keystroke for navigating a page like I want, but even with Saft it doesn't have good Find-as-You-Type) and Camino (same problems as Firefox) and Mozilla (same as Camino and Firefox) all without any luck. Oh well.
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Hey, this is the best news I have heard since we found out the crazy Russian guy was wrong when he said the internet was going to down a couple weeks ago!
Until I found out that his prophecy must be tru, because it tells me I can't download Firefox when I try!!!
I've never has the problem you describe on either of my Win98 machines , but then I haven't been home yet to install RC1 on them either. I have, however, gotten the follwing message and some variants after closing some tabs after opening several at once:
"TypeError: arrViewNodes[j].contentWindow has no properties"
I can consistently reproduce it by opening a new tab that's blank & then closing after a few seconds or a few minutes without loading anything into it. This is on a WinXP Pro machine (no SP2, thank you very much) with an RC1 install that's less than an hour old.
"Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux is an unlicensed version of Unix"- Kieren O'Shaughnessy
I just converted. Yaay! Mirror, to save their poor souls.
Firefox
Thunderbird
However, I don't suggest updating right away if you like how your current firefox is customized. None of my cool extensions or themes made the switch. I especially miss tabbrowser extensions.
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Mozilla.org renders buggily in Konqueror. So much for 100%-compatible HTML.
Seriously though, it's been a long time coming, and 'Firefox 1.0' sounds a far more serious product than 'Firefox 0.9.3' or whatever - the latter sounds very much like an amateurish effort, while the former sounds sleek and professional - maybe now I can convince a few more upper-management types at my college to switch over to FF, if we were to slap a Netscape-esque skin on it (I have a dislike for the new default theme in Firefox) as the admins have been bitching for a while now about how much spyware crap they have to clean off the machines at the end of every day. I'm sure they've asked before, but "We'd like to replace Internet Explorer with Firefox Nought-point-Nine-point-Three" is just going to sound to the management like the network guys just hashed it up in an afternoon.
Dealing with lawyers would be a lot less tedious if they all looked like Casey Novak.
Ah, here's the link to that bug.
And in true MS style, the solution is... not to use that word at the start of email messages.
org.slashdot.post.SignatureNotFoundException: ewg
When will firefox allow me to save my tab settings? Or have I just missed the function? That's what keeps me with Opera. Opera remembers the tabs I used last time so I don't have to reopen every single messageboard everytime I go online.
Another thing is the speed under linux... Is there a way to make that thing load quicker? I don't like to wait a dozen seconds just for the browser to appear.
IE is already blocking tabs on my office system. And you know what? I still think Firefox has enough killer features to make IE an also-ran.
- Pressing ctrl + D on firefox focuses the address bar, but doesn't highlight the text.
- Backspace doesn't go 'back'
Nothing at all major... but I still find myself using those shortcuts, and finding they don't work as expected.I certainly don't miss pop-ups, spyware and general bugginess though.
The link to PDFCreator you gave is a dead site, try the Sourceforge project page instead... http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/
I agree with no-tabs.
I also prefer new windows. Now, how to lobby for desktop-global bookmarks sidebar....
(there is one thing where tabs are great: browsing pr0n... something like tab slideshow might be nice)
Yes, I googled and yes there is a solution involving a shell script(s) and installing arcane extention in 'Fox, but:
This solution does not work for me; and overall, the shell script thing will be an immeditate turn off for someone converting from Windows (where by the way, Fox and Bird integrate perfectly including even XP login screen).
So does anyone know if there was any progress on this front with the new releases?
I was veryglad to see a new Thunderbird version. Roll on TB1.0!
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Oh come on...
Friends don't let friends use IE.
Why are there only 19 people folding@home for slashdot?
The Firefox 1.0 Preview Release has been released. The 1.0 final release won't be out for another month or so, and as such, the version number for this release is 0.10PR. For those who still count in decimal, 0.10 is larger than 0.9, despite what you were taught in school. Check out the Release Notes, the System Requirements, and follow the links below to download a copy now!
How is 0.10 larger than 0.9? The last time I checked, 9 tenths is larger than 1 tenth. Granted my math skills are rusty, but that doesn't sound right.
You shouldn't. the new version removes a lot of sluggishness from the startup and page rendering. The 8 meg download and one minute install is more than worth it.
I don't think there's a need (or way) to disable tabs in Firefox. Maybe with an extension. However, if you don't middle click on links, and left click in the Bookmark menu, etc, (in other words -- how IE users would use Firefox) I wonder if you'll ever see tabs in Firefox?
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
Versions for 10.1 and source packages are in the Cooker Contribs.
My girlfriend's family is getting high-speed internet access installed today. I forwarded her the Firefox homepage. She's pretty open to using Firefox on my own computer, so I think there's a good chance she'll get her parents to use it. I have a hunch her dad is fed up with all the IE-related crap.
I'm a new Firefox user (thanks in most part to Slashdot), in fact I have version 0.9.3 and I have never had the problems you have stated, at least in the past month that I've been using this non-IE browser. Because of it's features and security I've convinced others to use it as well, and most of them (and me) really liked IE before seeing what else was available.
Firefox 1.0PR broke my Firesomething plugin! Whatever will I do without Mozilla Superyak?
Sounds like the uuencode bug. Found it here.
I was running StumbleUpon and the Google toolbar for Firefox 0.9.3 and informed they were broken upon installing 1.0PR.
Did they find it necessary to brake APIs between 0.9.3 and the current version? The automatic update checker in Firefox can't fird updates for those two toolbars.
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Here ya go!
No, it's not. It's just different semantics.
The dot does not play the decimal point role, it's just a number separator.
The complete release "number" is not a math (floating point) number, it's composed by some integer numbers, and sometime letters, separated by the dot.
You can now subscribe to and read RSS feeds in your Bookmarks. When you visit a page that advertises a RSS feed by using a <link> tag, an (RSS) icon will appear in the status bar. Click it to view a list of feeds the page is offering. Click one to subscribe - this adds a Bookmark Folder that contains all the recent posts from the feed.
Find is easier and more powerful now with our new Find toolbar. The Find toolbar (which shows at the bottom of the browser window) automatically highlights text in the page as you type and has a useful highlight feature.
You can now open blocked popups, and the Extension install system now blocks all attempts to install software from sites other than update.mozilla.org. Users can add other sites to a list that allows them to offer software, but software is never automatically installed. In addition to these steps, several other measures have been taken to prevent phishing attacks and to highlight when a page is being viewed over a secure connection.
Numerous improvements to bookmarks including more reliable presentation of Site icons, and a split pane view in the Bookmarks window.
Passwords saved with the Password Manager can now be more easily encrypted with strong encryption by creating a "Master Password". If you create a Master Password, you are prompted once per session to enter the Master Password so that Password Manager can automatically fill in site logins. A useful feature for people who share computers with others and want improved security.
Undetectable document.all support for site compatibility and improved compatibility for keyboard accelerators further smooth the transition for IE users
You can now configure Firefox as your Default Browser on GNOME, and Firefox will adhere to your GNOME settings for edit field key bindings, etc.
websites that dont work with fierfox
http://www.orange.co.in
http://www.bplmobile.com/
Check it out at http://www.uwplatt.edu/web/webstandards/slashdot.h tml
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For a change, slashdot really got the scoop here. The release notes aren't even updated yet.
... but I suspect that will be fixed soon.
So far I have noticed a few new features. Search as you type now shows more info and has extra options. There is also a RSS button at the bottom right of the status bar for any page that has a RSS feed. Clicking on it creates a "Live Bookmark".
Anybody else notice other new features I missed?
Only negative thing so far is that my favourite extension (DownloadWith) no longer works
siener's youtube channel
i installed 1.0PR few seconds ago and i missing adblock already
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Does anybody know how to make Thunderbird only display messages on an IMAP server that have not been marked as deleted?
I use Thunderbird on my laptop and Outlook on my desktop (have to use it there), and frequently I end up with quite a few messages in my inbox (most of which are deleted) by the time I check my mail again using Thunderbird. There has to be a better solution besides purging all my deleted messages before using Thunderbird every time-- since sometimes I screw up and need to recover deleted messages...
I've looked in the View-Messages-Customize menu option, but there doesn't seem to be a field for the message's IMAP deletion status- any ideas?
It already does. SP2 added that capability. Of course, the Google toolbar had been blocking them too. I was running Norton Internet Security which also had a popup blocker. Now I run Admuncher which blows Adblock away. The point is, popup/ad blocking isn't the selling point you may think it is. It's all about the tabs. But you can install the Avant browser which adds tabs to IE so tabs aren't that big a deal either really. I guess the smaller size might be a selling point to people with really old systems.
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Sounds like something Wagner would do.
if Thunderbird could *fully* replace outlook (not Express)...
Openoffice exports to pdf.
The main thing that keeps me from using any PC-based email clients is the fact that I LOVE webmail.
Hell, I'm just waiting for someone to come up with a web-based browser. I'd switch in a heartbeat!
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O.K so I know I'm replying late and I will probably be missed by the mods but who cares.
Firefox is getting big. I'm in Australia, so I know our Law & Order episodes are behind you in the Americas, but a few nights ago watching an episode of SVU I saw one of the detectives pull open her laptop, and run a google search. As soon as she did it, I noticed she was using Firefox for win32!
If it's getting used in show props as a realistic tool, it means people in non-nerd industries are looking at it. That means its getting really big!
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check it out.. the rendering of the left column of Slashdot has been corrected in this release,
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...I'm so conflicted.
as noted under "Major Bug Fixes" #217527
I don't know how I feel about that
or what that says about the prominence of
or what that says about the priorities of the moz devs
I know this is a minor point, but will they ever get favicons working correctly? These are the icons that appear next to your bookmarks. They're very useful when they actually work.
yes, but OO.o is not the only app out there.
Anyway, try the extendedPDF macro for OpenOffice - if you want something more like the Acrobat plugin for Word.
Unfortunately, Thunderbird is useless to me on OS X until it can use the system address book.
:(
I can't find it at the moment, but there is a long-standing bug about this issue with lots of votes. What it comes down to is that Thunderbird has an address querying interface that is used for LDAP, and the OS X address book is queryable, but no one has connected the dots yet.
funny thing is that this is one of the reasons i started going out with my girlfriend, because she used mozilla (though I have since converted her to firefox) and hated IE.
yeah, I find the anti-microsoft sentiment attractive, so what?
Right.. download OOo, convert all current documents, JUST to create a PDF?
or
download a simple PDF creater drinter driver, whcih works with *ANY* program that can print
Come on, I know you like Open Office, but if your dont want to be marked redundant, give the answer to the RIGHT question.
Have a nice day!
It might be that you tried (as I did first) the link http://ftp.mozilla.org/... - which does not work.
I do not know how they set up the http interface (?) to their ftp server, but try using ftp instead. For me it did the trick. Someplace else I read it might be because using http for this enables the mozilla mirroring system, and the file might not yet be on all the mirrors...
Try it here.
Does your parents know you're using the internet unattended?
Don't you have some homework to do?
I used to think PDF Creator was fantastic, but when I tried deploying in the office it had problems I hadn't encoutered in my limited use of it.
The worst of these was in the save dialog where if you clicked on a directory shortcut - to jump to a directory - it would save over the shortcut instead of opening the directory. The sad thing is I reported this bug over two months ago, and it still hasn't got fixed.
In the end I went with the free but non-open source alternative of CutePDF
aus.music.scrapbook
Whats is the differecne between the mozilla browser (not suite!) and firefox?
Except differnt gui what else?
you can set to open links by default in new windows or tabs (i think). but as you say, tabs are hidden, except for the "Open Bookmarks in Tabs".. which is one of the cool features, enabling a whole collection of bookmarks to be loaded in one.
Well, I'm writing this from 1.0pr and I must say that it's pretty decent. It does seem to have rather serious problems with Terminal Services though. The only theme that is half-way usable via WTS is the default. All the button backgrounds are black and with some themes, all the menus are black with black text. Ugh - please, someone think of us TS users!
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People can live without that. Now, mouse gestures...!
When an Open Source organisation can give away money for each security bug and not go broke you might even be able to convince the bean counters in _your_ organisation from a pure security viewpoint...
First Security Bug Bounty Payments Awarded
I wonder if Microsoft will match the bounty...they could of course easily afford it, even though there would be a queue to collect money for IE security bugs.
yes yes, IE sucks. But what I really would want is for Mozilla to reach the same level of usability as Opera.
I switched from Opera to Mozilla recently mostly because Opera wasn't free, and I got tired of using illegal serials to get rid of that damn banner.
There's a lot of things done better in Mozilla through extensions. I love the ad-blocking filters and the cookie control, but there's just some small things that many times make me want to go back to that big 'O'.
The tabbed browsing isn't really working so well (or maybe I'm too dumb to figure it out). For one, am I really forced to press ctrl to stop links from opening in a new window? And those links that use a new window, there's really no way to keep them in tabs? So after some surfing I end up with one main window with lotsa tabs and a few seperate windows with single tabs. That is not very user-friendly.
It's these little things that annoyed me at the beginning. I'm sure for those coming from IE-land it's all just improvements, but I couldn't help wonder how unorganized (and fugly, really) Mozilla still is. It is improving all the time, and that is probably the main reason I decided to invest my time in using it. I really hope that Mozilla will soon start competing against other properly developed browsers and not just the sad IE-experience.
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Hey, it's fixed in the trunk. I believe the fix will be in 1.0 final.
Until then, just resize the font on the page when it renders badly... and boom! fixed!
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Maybe it has one, but it is so well hidden that I can't find it!
BTW Firefox also has an RSS reader, not counting the Sage extension...
Until then, just resize the font on the page when it renders badly... and boom! fixed!
Umm, no. This fixes some of the more obvious errors, but not the complete blank screens and black-on-black text persist through all sorts of changes.
Someone needs to give Taco a boot to the head every day until he fixes this.
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Anyone get a Dialog box popping up everytime you launch a new window, "textzoom.override.enable" with the only option "ok"
I've searched about:config with no luck. Disabled all extentions too..
With the new additions to Thunderbird I can finally convert over to it from Outlook. *However* make sure you set aside a good few hours for this task if you're like me and have many many emails.
At present the import wizard is attempting to umm... import my stuff from Outlook, but I'm guessing it's not liking my 37k+ emails too much - one hour in and the progress bar isn't even at 1/4.
Oh and a gripe about the latest Firefox - it's acting a bit 'odd' with compatible extensions and themes. Attempting to install the updates I get "invalid jar bla bla bla." After a few attempts it typically works, but that's more of an annoyance than is really necessary.
After all this is done I guess I'll check out Mozilla Suite. Any views on this package?
Haven't had it happen yet in 1.0PR, so fingers crossed.
# init 5
Connection closed.
Oh...
I am really impressed, as it is the first time I convert someone over 30.
:-))
In some sense, I think the 20-50 are the most difficult to convert, because they think that any criticism against Microsoft is an offense to their manhood.
Those above 50, on the other hand, do connect their choices like that.
(Just a guess.
Since I got a Gmail account I open Tbird maybe three times a week to see if I forgot to forward anything important to it...
The main problem I have in converting people to Tbird is that it has no support for outlook, Yahoo or MSN. And yes, I am aware there are programs to do it, but having to say "Well, NO it doesnt check yahoo, but you can download and configure this other little program to make it work" really doesn't present it in a flattering light.
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I just installed Firefox 1.0PR on two of my W2K computers. Now Firefox will not start on either system. Instead I get the error "Java plug-in for Netscape Navigator should not be used in Microsoft Internet Explorer. Please use Java plug-in for Microsoft Internet Explorer instead."
WTF?
Life is like a web application. Sometime you need cookies just to get by.
Where do I get the Firefox source? I need to compile it for a specific environment here where the builds don't work. But the only mention of source on the firefox page is "cvs". Not that I couldn't check it out, but they could at least tell me how the trunk and the 2 modules are CALLED instead of just vaguely referencing them. Argh.
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I disagree. Whenever I introduce someone (mostly people who only use their computer when they have to) to Firefox, I always tae a minut or two to explain tabbed browsing, and turn off auto-scroll so they can middle click to open links in a new tab.
So far they've all raved about tabbed browsing once they've used FF for a bit.
Which confusing bugs are you thinking of?
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Yes, there is a way. It is called the Single Window extension. Makes link unable to open new windows by themselves (open in tabs, as you wished) but *you* can still right click and chose to open in a new window.
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I'll second CutePDF. It's been good quality and I haven't noticed bugs. I deployed it on a couple machines here at work, although the boss doesn't like it because we standardized on Adobe Acrobat (which I'll admit has more features) and he doesn't want to support two applications (CutePDF needs no support - it just works). So instead, the departments just send us all their documents because they don't want to pay for an Adobe license :P
Over here comma is used as a separator, I usually don't think ;)
of 0.9 as a decimal number
Too bad that upgrading Firefox to this release means throwing all your extensions away. They're not compatible.
For one, am I really forced to press ctrl to stop links from opening in a new window?
Middle clicking will open links in a new tab.
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...desktop-global bookmarks sidebar....
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Already there in both XP and KDE. However, you need to use the native browser
XP:
1) Right-click on your main taskbar.
2) Click "New Toolbar"
3) Point it to your "Favourites" folder
4) Done (Oups, requires IE
KDE supports this via a native applet for Konqueror (beats Firefox on Linux I think).
Whoops.
I find explaining in detail all the spyware stuff that was installed via IE.
Most common in the machines I have fixed is Horse Dialler and varitions of.
The people whos machine I have fixed, still use modem and are able to equate the damage to real world money on their phone bill.
One of them had over 300 euros to a number in Nigeria which was most likely the dialer program. They had been arguing with their phone provider for some time claiming they never called the number.
I use Mozilla by preference. One of the reasons I don't use Firefox is the search toolbar - in my opinion there is no need for a seperate toolbar.
Is there any way to have Firefox do searches from the url bar like in Mozilla?
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Hi my name's Chris and I've been using Internet Explorer for 2 years.
Nothing costs nothing
As a 36 year old, I resent the implication that we're all old fogeys. ;)
And THEN, convert every single web site out there that runs ASP.NET and/or exclusively fro the IE browser.
(Don't get me wrong, I and all my family run Firefox, and I've already converted two in my workplace)
Sig it.
So, let's see, you need a service pack, three proglets and a third-party browser modification, all of which you have to keep updated, all of which you must be concerned over for future compatibility with future Windows and IE mods OR you can download Firefox/Mozilla and have none of those concerns? Seems like an easy answer to me: my time should be spent using my computer not fighting to update it.
This seems to be nice step in firefox development, but some evil aspx sites, refuse to work properly even now. Still even if one has to use IE from time to time, Firefox is definetly worth it ;)
IE doesn't block all the pop ups. I've got some spy ware on my system at work (i inherited it) that AdAware can't remove. This bugger is allowing some of the pop ups through. I'm glad to be seeing only 2 or 3 pop ups a day now instead of the 20 - 30.
The GUI lacks harmonisation, some buttons slab when you move the pointer over, some change color, and some don't do anything at all but are still clickable, I'm not sure about these red dots while images load, the HTTPS yellow navigation bar is novel but lacks clarity, and seems to stay yellow for a while during the loading of a second website.
:)
Lots of work to do to pull all these new featues into one good looking browser.
But it's nice to have mozilla update working
And you'll never have to click "Edit->Find" again or even Ctrl-F. You just start typing and it starts searching. I've been using this feature for awhile. Got a build for my P4 from http://www.moox.ws/tech/mozilla/ The end-user in my likes the Mozilla of it, and the geek in me loves the P4 optimizations of it. =)
I've been using TB for a short time and converted my Mother over also.
:( Note that this is on a clean XP install and the only application that bombs
I'd been using PopFile with OE and to be honest, it was better at determining what was junk mail and what wasn't. I'm hoping TB gets better over more time.
I'm using a nightly build so I can have one inbox for multiple accounts, and I'm sure it hasn't been full tested, but so far some other things I'm not crazy about are:
Date sorting doesn't seem to work correctly
Upon starting I often get a message about the folder not being done processing yet (and I haven't clicked anything)
Junk mail classification isn't overly great after a couple months of training..PopFile seemed to get better faster
Can't search subject & body in one search
Need 3rd party backup/restore
Firefox
I really like it once I get it tweaked, I've had to put together a step by step process to get it that way, too bad I can't simply bundle those steps together and automate them
Need 3rd party backup/restore
Some sites still don't render quite right
It bombs MUCH more than IE did
Need a "New Tab From Clipboard" button
Copy/Paste in the address bar seems not to work sometimes..haven't nailed this one down yet
Using Squirrelmail, IE put me at the beginning of the box w/the domain name following. FF puts me at the end of the domain name where I have to hit HOME then type in my username
I know these are mostly minor annoyances, but still, they bug me nonetheless.
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I'd actually recommend turning off tabs, just because the newbies will probably be less likely to use Firefox if they have to deal with tabs since it's something different than they're used to.
So far, everyone I've shown tabs to was at least intrigued if not downright ecstatic.
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I've had no problem with my parents (both almost 70). Here's what I did;
A bonus was pointing out that popup blocking is included.
A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
first, i love firefox, it's a wonderful product.
but i still have to uninstall before upgrading on many of the machines here, and it's ridiculous now to call this a 1.0PR with that problem still around.
also, from the release notes:
It should not be necessary to create a new profile when you upgrade from a previous version of Firefox providing you do disable all extensions from the prior version before upgrading. To do this, open the old version and open Tools > Options and click the Extensions panel. Click on each of the extensions listed and choose Disable Extension. Click OK to close the Options window. Now it is safe to install Firefox.
if you know this is the case, mister firefox, why the hell does your installer not do it for me?
you want mass adoption, but you continue with this mickey mouse crap of not being able to handle upgrades in any sort of efficient manor. i'm sorry, but you won't see mass adoption like that, and i'm afraid you've already gained the reputation.
How is IE blocking tabs?
Concerning pop-up blocking, one concerning thing is that Microsoft has documented a way for the server to detect whether a particular pop-up has been blocked. Some more sites might try to restrict content unless you allow pop-ups.
Adblock and Flashblock are nice though. While a lot of features can be put into IE, the problem is the software used to implement it is either more trouble, cost money or bloated, whereas tiny, no-cost extensions for the Mozilla core can do the job better.
I recently started working at the Support Desk at school, and sometimes there are some obscure problems with MSIE that we just can't work out over the phone. We usually have them install Firefox, and sometimes I have people install Thunderbird if their other mail client is giving them problems (or if they want good spam filtering).
I haven't had any calls yet this year of people having problems with Firefox.
Did I mention that Adaware is our savior here too?
Speaking as a 39 year old geek, I'll have you know not all of us old geezers are totally tech-phobic. In-between our Geritol and AARP meetings, we still find time to send out an electric mail or two over one of these new-fangled adding machines.
I remember when we used to send messages with a slide rule. Of course I'd have an onion on my belt while doing it, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
He took a duck to the face at 250 knots.
I started to do it to avoid all the "son, what's that window that appears on my PC?" calls from my mom, but the side effects are just great: faster navigation, more secure PC, less hanging... And for free! :)
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it works here. but the about:plugin doesn't.
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Evolution 2.0 http://www.novell.com/products/evolution/ and gnome 2.8 its in debian sid :)
Thank you. That's annoyance fixed, several to go...
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Tabs rule! For side by side comparison of information there is no equal.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124750
You might have to wait a little bit for that "stable" 1.0 release. I've been using 0.9x for quite a while, but since installing 1.0 I haven't even been able to get Firefox to launch! I'll head over to their support page and see what's going on, but this isn't a good sign...
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Remember to go to about:config and set "keyword:confusing_bugs" to false.
Be sure to show newbies how to use tabs and find-as-you-type! IE will soon be blocking popups.
Most people have a hard time "getting" tabbed browsing -- what it is, and why it's so amazing -- because the idea of tabs is pretty abstract if you haven't used them before. So relate it to something the average Joe Windows has used: tabs in MS Excel workbooks. I recently switched my (non-techie) sister to Firefox for increased security, and when I tried to show her tabbed browsing, her eyes completely glazed over. Then it hit her -- "it's like having tabs for the different sheets in an Excel workbook!" -- and she instantly thought it was the coolest thing since sliced bread. (Even the Ctrl-PgUp/PgDn shortcut keys are the same.)
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What happened to the Save Link To Disk option?
I still use 0.7 on my laptop because it makes saving multiple links so much quicker. I don't have to open up each page in a new tab, then click save link as, then close the tab.
Not that I'd ever go back, but when I did use IE, the google toolbar worked great for blocking popups. At the same time, I don't know how I would have lived without it.
/. would display properly...
Also, I believe the new version of IE that ships with XP SP2 was supposed to have a popup blocker. I've never actually bothered testing for myself though.
To me, The selling point of firefox is in the extensions. There are all kinds of great things you can add to the browser. To name a couple, I love mouse gestures and I love being able to right click on words and do a search or looup a definition. Tabs are tons easier to deal with than sepperate windows as well.
Now if only
Ok I'm 15 and I've been using Firefox for like an year now.
I have IE 6 on my computer too but I never use it. I've already converted three of my friends to Firefox, they aren't power users or anything, they don't know jack about computers...
On the other when I tried to convince my Dad (he's a web-developer, 44 yrs)to switch to Firefox, he's like no way (!) - Firefox is still in beta and unreliable, unstable blah blah blah... (BTW, this was before he had used it)
I showed him all the cool features like find as you type, google search built-in to the toolbar, tabbed browsing, popup blocker, adblock...the works.
I really can't see why my dad doesn't use firefox. I showed one of my relatives Firefox too, but he wasn't too interested - even though he had reformatted his HDD twice or thrice cuz of spyware and scum coming in thru IE. So yes converting someone over 30 is damn hard even if they despise spyware.
I'd like to hear from fellow slashdotters if they've faced similar problems in converting people to firefox.
Really, the state of computer literacy, at least in India (my friends in the US say its equally bad there) is really appalling, and I'm talking about well-educated,smart people not the poor people. I mean look at my Dad he's really smart, he graduated from the top colleges in India and still never bothered to install a firewall on our computer even though we have ADSL, doesn't want to use stuff like Firefox...
Basically converting people to firefox or linux is hard for two reasons - people are averse to change and mainly because most people are stupid.
P.S - I know somebody in my family who put a folder named 'sex' on the fucking Desktop, it had loads of porn, about a gig, and he has two kids (10 & 13).
and turn off auto-scroll so they can middle click to open links in a new tab.
Just FYI, you don't need to disable auto-scroll. The middle click is context sensitive, and will open tabs on links.
.sigh
SP2 also isn't mass deployed at least to those I talked to. I'm on Windows XP (I'm gamer leave me alone) and I haven't deployed SP2. Many people I know have passed on SP2 because they have heard bad things (mainly) or don't want to download it (just adding excuses). Everyone I know runs Firefox, Firebird or something similar. (I know for fact I have a few Firebird .7 still out there)
Lately, more and more screen shots I've seen on people desktops and of internet have included firefox in some form. I've also converted people who install Avant to their system. Avant is great but can be unstable and when I can give them a browser who doesn't do ActiveX and isn't some hack for already screwed up browser, I'm happy. Firefox is making leaps and bounds and it's user base is growing. Microsoft knows it. Why else would SP2 include some "security" updates? Also, why run Admuncher or Adblock which is eating additional RAM and is just more shit to go wrong?
Real question is.... Have you converted today?
You can export files into PDF with OpenOffice too.
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Perhaps it just means that the Slashdot bug is a symptom of a larger problem?
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I'm 45. I've been using Free software for 20 years.
What is this "Microsoft" of which you speak?
Watch this Heartland Institute video
The calendar project (aka Sunbird) got a new build the other day too. It's still in 2.0, but is very stable in my experience, and features are being added rapidly. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/
Went back to school yesterday and to my delight discovered that the University of Guelph is now running Firefox on its computer systems!
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"Database is not availiable", whatever that means.
I try and try, but my "friends" think outlook/IE are the greatest pieces of software ever.
Maybe when their system gets infected by a bug or their credit card number stolen because of those app's huge security holes, maybe they'll switch...
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As a 36 year old, I resent the implication that we're all old fogeys. ;)
As someone who will be 36 in 16 days I have to remind you of something. We are now old enough to legally date women half our age.
Oh, and in six more years we can buy them drinks. ^_~
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I've been on the mission for quite a while already. My current list of confirmed converts includes 2 sisters, 1 brother, 1 cousin, 2 ~40-year-old friends of my brother, and an unidentified number or friends (been recommending Firefox to them and eventually many of them have changed, but I can't say for sure if it was because of my recommendations). No complaints yet, and my cousin (who's nearing 40 himself) said that Firefox felt a bit odd at first, but now that he got to used to it, it wipes the floor with IE anytime.
I have been steadily converting people over to firefox, all the computers that I have been fixing get firefox and thunderbird, everyone is happy sofar the biggerst problem I had was with my gf, we had a big fight over me not wanting her using ie on my computer, but the next day she took a closer look at it and now wouldn't want to use anything else the bigges selling point for her was the skins
Pop-up blocking, annoyance killing is *the* selling point of firefox. I didn't knew how fucked was ie browsing until I talked with this guy. The web was becoming useless for him, and he was driven crazy by frustration.
Unfortunately, it's no longer completely effective; the browser-spammers have learned how to get around the popup blocker. I've had more popups in the last week than I have since switching to Firefox months ago.
The larger problem is that so many sites are still in the stone ages of html 3.2.
Ouch.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
on my linux desktop machine - workin great so far.
off to rtfa now and see whats added..
ASP.NET is a server-side scripting language. There is no reason why it would cause a web page not to work with Firefox (other than the usual poor web developer syndrome that is not really language specific).
I'd love to convert a couple of people to Thunderbird at our office, but there is a problem.
Unfortunately they can't read those stupid "winmail.dat" files that Outlook loves to send out.
If anyone has a suggestion to allow Thunderbird to automatically read/open these stupid winmail.dat files, I guarantee two new converts, AT LEAST!!!
OT I know but since we are talking about it. I have a map in MS streets and maps that I want to print really really big. I would like to export a pdf of size 200x160 or whatever that comes out to. I have tried w/ the full acrobat and w/ pdf reader and both croak when dealing w/ that size.
Anybody have a suggestion for one that can handle it?
thx
ej
"IE will soon be blocking popups."
Yes, but for how long?
As far as advertisers are concerned, pop-up blocking in Mozilla and Firefox is a blip on the radar, but any attempt by IE to do the same, because of its market share, will likely be broken within a week.
Besides, blocking pop-ups is one thing. Using the Adblock extention in Firefox to nuke banner and Flash ads on the side is something else, something I simply don't see IE doing (market pressures from advertisers and Macromedia would stop that if nothing else).
hah yeah, I know several computer science students who are incredibly offended by linux because they're "too stupid to use it".
I don't think for a moment they're actually too stupid to use it, they're just too impatient to learn a new system. They'd be having the exact same problem if they had used linux for 15 years and then tried to switch to windows. They're so used to being Mr. Expert at computers they can't take being a newbie and relying on others for help.
No tabs? You have a point that it's confusing to add new stuff for people, but in this case there's a clear benefit to using tabs.
Explain that you can be reading a page and continue reading while the next link loads in another tab. Reference/background articles, picture galleries... tailor the example for the person - I used a google image search of a good-looking singer for a woman who had a crush on him. Worked like a charm!
Information: "I want to be anthropomorphized"
On most Windows networks that utilize MSI installers Firefox will not work anyway - the reason, Roaming profiles.
Currently no mozilla based browser will work "automatically" with roaming profiles. What happens is that a user will create his profile on one computer, move to another, then Firefox (Mozilla, Netscape, etc) will continually ask for a profile since it does not find the one that was created previously.
This is a major stumbling block for Enterprise acceptance of FireFox. Currently you can get around this by specifying a profile in the command line that launches firefox (make a batch file), but unfortunately every user that uses a computer will use the same profile. (Unless you have an extremely fast network and server which can sufficiently serve 100+ profiles at the same time).
Another complaint I hear from fellow Adminstrators is the fact that you can easily "lock down" Internet Explorer by using Group Policies through Active Directory. Example, you can easily change the home page of every user by simply creating a policy object and applying it to an Active Directory User Container that includes all of your users. To do this with Firefox would take hours (if not days) depending on the number of installations.
I did this for my family after our Windows computer wouldn't even boot b/c of spyware (I don't use that computer, or it wouldn't have gotten that far). You can still get to IE through the file-folder interface, but I've removed all its shortcuts. And AOL still uses it, so I've convinced everyone to use AOL for email only (yeah, I know, but since they won't switch ...).
I also did this at a neighbor's house; he was having virus problems, and was happy to try Firefox, when I told him that it would keep his computer cleaner. I will be making another house call today (different family), and they say IE won't even start, so that's an almost sure convert right there.
C'mon, go the extra step and link it! :-) And the homepage is here.
I've found that Spybot Search and Destroy" is actually better than Adaware, though I make no guarantees, and often use both.
I'd suggest giving it a try as well, though, for those persistent problems.
Hey, thanks! I didn't realize that I could turn that off. I'd been using middle-click but if I missed the link, it autoscrolled. That makes my day.
If you want to convert me to firefox all you have to do is point me at some way to get firefox to save my opened tabs when i exit (or when it crashes) so i can resume where i left off...
I can do it in IE and Opera.... but i can't find a firefox plugin for it...
I've already converted a bunch of them at work. Microsoft made it really easy for me what with all the ActiveX exploits, lack of features updates, etc. The process is always the same:
COWORKER: My computer is really slow all of the sudden.
... 30 minutes later ...
...
ME: Have you checked for spyware lately? Run Ad-aware and Spybot lately?
COWORKER: OK...
COWORKER: Wow, there sure were a lot of nasties on there. I've removed them all and things are running much faster. Thanks for the tip!
... The next day
COWORKER: My PC was slow again this morning, so I ran Ad-aware and Spybot again. They found all sorts of new stuff. Is there any way to keep this from happening?
ME: There's three ways:
COWORKER: Oh, option 3 sounds good. I'll install it right now.
The good thing is, my upgrade today to Firefox PR1.0 seems to work on a lot of sites that weren't working with Mozilla, so it's only going to get better. However, the realist in me says that once Firefox really takes off, we can look forward to people finding security exploits in it too.
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Am I the only one who is bothered by the fact that Mozilla has placed a potentially unstable preview release on their main page, and made people have to search around to get the stable older release? You don't win converts by feeding them potentially buggy software and giving them a bad impression of it when it crashes.
$ whatis themeaningoflife
themeaningoflife: not found
I love tabs too but nothing compares to dual screen goodness. How people function with a single monitor is just beyond me.
Firefox is the single best argument for open source projects I've found. This browser kicks ass!!!! I've been able to convert quite a few people off IE and onto Firefox--once they saw the speed of FF and the tab & search features. Many of these people tried netscape or mozilla but were dissatified with the performance, Firefox addressed that and kicks IE's butt!!
When people say open source doesn't work, I show them Firefox!
Thanks to all the people who work on this excellent browser!
So there's new Firefox, and updated Mozilla. Are the browsers the same? (In the past, the answer was No, and I assume it's still no.) Which one should I pick?
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You will be out of a job soon, watch it!
Yes - and with Outlook you get all those nifty winmail.dat files too! Argh!
Outlook is big, slow, and bulky - and the interface isn't anything that thrills me. I personally find it kind of confusing.
I am slowly changing our office over but unfortunately I need a way to deal with Outlook generated winmail.dat files. If Thunerbird ever manages to provide that, I'm set and Outlook is out of here!
I don't think its about the tabs or the popups but the cookie / spyware blocking.
:p), viruses ... all the fun stuff you know...
... its been only last week but given where they browse ... 1 week is significative :)
I did a major clean-up on client's computer last week. The computer was totally cluttered with junk, spy daemons (demons
I installed the ad-aware, avg and firefox trio and didn't hear a single word ever since. Ok
ad-aware is there for the safety because it isn't even cleaning a thing now.
If you look like your passport photo, you're too ill to travel. - Will Kommen
In my experience, it also has problems with .lnk files. I had people in the office emailing around shortcuts and it gave Thunderbird fits.
Cheap storage VM.
Considering it's version 1.0, can we upgrade this PR to the vanilla 1.0 when it comes out, or will I have to uninstall it again?
This is a major shortfall for any real deployment: read other that my personal pc.
As with every new Mozilla release, several security issues have been fixed, including some problems leading to remote code execution. Sadly, there has been no advisory so far.
A list of the fixes can be found here. Note that this list is probably incomplete.
OS Reviews: Free and Open Source Software
For one, am I really forced to press ctrl to stop links from opening in a new window? And those links that use a new window, there's really no way to keep them in tabs?
I recommend the Mouse Gestures extension. I always open my links in a tab with gestures. That's the only thing I missed when I switched from the big O, but wouldn't switch back now.
After 3 days without programming, life becomes meaningless
- The Tao of Programming
I switched my sister-in-law's browser over to firefox from IE6 while I was doing regular maintenance on her computer( a POS Dell running XP home). A few days later I heard from my mom that my sister-in-law just couldn't believe how much faster her computer was running. I thought this was odd - I had installed XP SP2 and defragged the HD but I hadn't noticed any great speed increase when I was playing with it.
After talking to her about it I finally got the translation. It seems "My computer is so much faster" = "I can browse the internet a lot faster now". Heh.
Thunderbird will have to wait though. I installed 0.7.3 on my system the other day and wasn't too impressed. I'll give it another try when 1.0 final comes out.
Does the new Thunderbird have support for multi-part and yEnc-encoded binary newsgroup postings?
I tried Thunderbird a while back, when I switched to Firefox, and was underwhelmed with the functionality... even Outlook Express is better in this regard!
I am the maverick of Slashdot
The larger problem is that many sites don't validate to any W3C standard (*cough*slashdot*cough). How should Firefox render them? It just "guesses," and it doesn't always work out well.
The phrase "spreadfirefox" made me immediately think of "spreadingsantorum". Maybe I'm too puerile to promote Mozilla.
Some nice new features in the new release. The search kicks ass. So does the yellow bar for secure pages.
Well, there's a type of person rumored to exist, that belongs to a group known as the "unwashed masses". These individuals don't really care about computers or technology much, and use their computers much like they would use a television set or a toaster oven.
I only know a few of these types; they don't really like Firefox nor hate it, they just don't care, so they'll likely keep using MSIE since it's always there for them.
The biggest downside is that we are vastly outnumbered by these people, even if we'd rather not associated with them often, so most companies and such will continue to cater to them. As a collective, they are the "customer" who the companies want to support. So those of us who don't want to join this collective get screwed.
It's unfortunate, too, but that's just the way it is. Most people just Don't Care(TM).
-Z
Other options:
How about converting 208 students taking a first year chemistry course? I'm a sessional lecturer for that course and my notes won't print properly in InternetExplorer, so I have required that the students download Mozilla or FireFox.
I just upgraded to Firefox 1.0PR from Firefox 0.9.3. The new find interface (Control-F) takes a bit of getting used to, but it's not too bad. I might eventually even like it. When I visited a site with Flash, it prompted me to install the plugin and provided a wizard to do so. I thought that was a big improvement for novice users (even though it installed version 6 instead of 7). Also, for sites that are RSS-capable, it has a nifty little icon in the lower right-hand corner. If you click it, you can "subscribe" to the RSS link. It then puts an RSS feed in your favorites menu. Very neat. Slashdot even supports it! Doesn't look like the Slashdot rendering bug has been fixed yet, though. Since the Firefox team doesn't seem to care, perhaps the Slashcode authors could a hack to fix this? Yeah, I know you shouldn't have to, but I imagine a great deal of Slashdotters use Fox and it's quite annoying.
2 2body%2 2)[0].style.display='none';document.getElementsByT agName(%22body%22)[0].style.display='block';void(0 );
For those who don't know, there is a simple hack to fix the Slashdot rendering problem:
1. Create a new button in your "Bookmarks Toolbar Folder" called "Fix Slashdot Rendering" or something.
2. For the URL, put this:
javascript:document.getElementsByTagName(%
NOTE: You'll need to remove the extra spaces Slashcode produces.
Anytime Slashdot renders incorrectly, just click this newly created button on your button bar and it will fix it.
Cheers!
Unfortunately, no. It has been corrected in the trunk, but Firefox 1.0PR is not using the latest version, it aims for "stability" :-(
and the funny thing is, the instant i booted the new version- guess what bug i saw?
For educational purposes, could you point me to a page where there is an unrequested advertisement popup that Firefox doesn't block?
After 3 days without programming, life becomes meaningless
- The Tao of Programming
Yes, there are different ways to force Mozilla or Firefox to redraw. That doesn't mean that something isn't still broken, and if it's the browser, then the browser ought to fix it.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
And all of you dont know the difference between Outlook and Outlook Express.
Outlook: Microsoft's Flagship PIM/Email Desktop software part of Office
Outlook Express: Microsoft's Free Email/News Client
I use outlook 2k3 and trust me thunderbird does not have all the features i want, evolution kinda does....
Thank you. That's annoyance fixed, several to go...
What are the other ones?
I switched over an entire development team of 15 to the Firefox/Thunderbird combo.
:)
Come on now...pay it forward
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
-brian
No love for OS X!
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The requested URL
Apache/2.0.49 (Gentoo/Linux) Server at ftp.mozilla.org Port 80
I find that Firefox on RedHat and Win2000 sometimes doesn't display images in web pages. It quite consistently doesn't show the map images in MapQuest. I have to Right-Click -> View Image in order to see the map. I don't have any extensions.
I thought it was a quirk of my Linux setup (half-upgraded from RH9 to FC1) but then I noticed it on Windows partition. And Firefox running on WinXP at my work computer.
Also, I've never seen this with Mozilla proper, just Firefox. Weird since they both use Gecko?
Fix it please!!
I was replying to the comment about switching people you know. I replied that I don't know anybody who uses IE.
Sure, lots of people use IE. Lots of people speak Chinese. Lots of people don't have a phone. I don't know any. Thus, if someone said "Let everybody know about this great thing called a phone", it wouldn't apply to me; everybody I know has one.
It's not some sort of great announcement, it's simply a shrug of a comment. You're right... Most people just Don't Care(TM), and I'm one of them. I'm happy with KDE on SUSE, and I've been happy with various *nix since the 80s. Never had much reason to switch.
--
Evan
"$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
You can use redmon (redirect monitor) from the Ghostscript project to automate that in the windows printer. Redmon lets you crate local ports (e.g. RPT1:) and filter the print data through other programs such as gs, ps2pdf or some of the included filters. (I love redfile...want to print to file but not have to enter a filename? Use filter redfile outfile%04d.prn and have numbered sequential outputs like outfile0000.prn, outfile0001.prn, etc..)
First of all admuncher costs money. And I don't know if you've used adblock but how can it possibly "blow" adblock away? It sounds like your full of hot air because adblock works extremely well by any measure and blocks everything under the sun, all for FREE. All things being equal the Free version "blows away" the commercial payware version. Plus there are a tons of great extensions for Firefox that you'll simply never see for IE. Also as the other person mentioned, why would I want a billion 3rd party programs running just to shore up a crappy browser?
Secondly Avant being based on IE still has the same security problems. Sorry but it is NOT safe to use IE anymore. Why do you think our own government even warned against it? Firefox isn't perfect and just with any piece of software it WILL have security problems. But it is more than an order of magnitude safer to use than IE ever will be. That's what you get when you weld in an insecure web browser to the core of your operating system.
You can dress up a turd all you want, in the end its still gonna be a turd.
You were lucky enough to have onions, all we had back in those days were tulip bulbs! Try shampooing your hair with one of those, and *then* you'll know the true meaning of hardship.
Plus I never figured out how to enter all those #*&^! European diacritis on the slide rule (even the German models we used at the time for some reason didn't have them)
Whatever happened to things like ^a, ^e, and ^u for beginning, end, and kill? Is there any way to get these back in the new firefox?
--TheOrangeSquid Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive
You've been missing out for years. Some states have 16 as the age of consent. Of course they have to be 18 before you can make films.
Quoting from the Thunderbird release notes:
Important: if the account already has messages in the Inbox or other folders, you should copy or move these messages into Local Folders before setting the account to use the Global Inbox. If you don't copy or move the messages into Local Folders and you set the account to use the Global Inbox, the account will no longer be displayed in the folders pane and you will not be able to access those messages unless you go back and undo the Global Inbox setting. Also, if you have set up any filters that filter mail into this account, you should disable/delete them or change the destination folder.Why doesn't the program do this for you automatically? That's the sort of attention to detail and user experience that would really help.
I know these are pre-release versions so maybe such features will be added for version 1.0.
He's a web developer and doesn't use Firefox? Yikes.
Here's how to convert Web developers. Point them to this page:
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/ (Especially the complexspiral one)
Go there in Firefox/Moz and in IE at the same time. Ask them to compare, and just stand back.
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Real humor goes unoticed on slashdot
Not everything is analogous to cars. Car analogies rarely work.
That's the key. "I warned you that your system turned to crap because you were using IE. I suggested you use Firefox. You declined. Now your system has turned to crap again. I can't justify coming over every six months to rescue you from IE. I understand that LocalBusinessName has technicians available at reasonable rates. Call me when you're willing to switch."
Either way you spend less time repairing computers for free; you win either way.
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I'm going to add myself to the list of help desk technicians here advocating Mozilla. I work as an escalation technician for a third-party company who provides support for MSN users, and I would have to say a good 75% of my calls involve browser-hijacking spyware. By the time people come to me, their IE is usually so hosed that it's almost less time-consuming for the customer to reinstall Windows. Spybot S&D, AdAware and other similar programs are the only things that keep me from going aboslutely insane as well. "No spyware" is not the only reason to use Mozilla, but it sure is a compelling one. I use the Mozilla suite as my default browser and love it. With Quick Launch enabled, the first browser window comes up faster than IE's - my only beef with Firefox being that the first window often took a while. I've never been one to care for tabbed browsing (just so used to using alt-tab to switch between browser windows) but it certainly takes less RAM to have 10 mozilla windows open than 10 IE windows. I use IE very little anymore - just for Windows Updates and sites which decide to be buggy with Mozilla for whatever reason. These sites are getting fewer and fewer as Mozilla gets better. So take it from a guy who works for MSN - Mozilla is the browser of the future. Without some major security overhauls to IE, it just won't be able to compete.
It seems kind of appropriate to have a folder full of porn called "sex" on the fucking desktop.
By summer it was all gone...now shesmovedon. --
I doubt that was their bug. IE used to do the exact same thing a version or so ago. It's due to the inplementatin of shortcuts being at an abstracted rather than a more transparent level.
"Ok I'm 15 and I've been using Firefox for like an year now.." - 80% of Slashdot
Look at the older extensions and hit the guy up for the source code. Or kidnap his family and make him make you the plugin for v1.0.
It was called Enhanced Tab Browsing or something like that.
It isn't responsibility of the Firefox developers to update all plugins, since they are unsupported by mozilla.org. Any plugin they choose to endorse they pretty much have to provide support for.
But find out where to request features, and request the heck out of it.
Please stop stalking me, bro.
The Google toolbar's popup blocking is pretty good, but mail.com manages to thwart it on their homepage (it blocks most of them, but they slip in a pop-under). I never got around to digging into the source to figure out what they're doing, but whatever it is, it doesn't work in Firefox. No idea about XP SP2.
My only gripe (but a huge one for me since I am on the laptop a lot) is the inability to use my touchpad to go BACK to the last page. I am able to scroll up and down using the side of the touchpad but am unable to use the top to go back a page. If that problem can be fixed, I would be hooked (more than I already am). ;-)
Latitude D600
You can ctrl+tab between tabs too. I got used to it pretty fast
Now... If only Mozilla could display favicons in the taskbar as Konqueror does.
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See bug 82130 in Bugzilla
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=821
(don't bother to make it a proper link since bugzilla doesn't allow referrers from Slashdot)
However, the realist in me says that once Firefox really takes off, we can look forward to people finding security exploits in it too.
Firefox alone is not the solution. It is part of the solution. So is Konqueror. Diversity of implementations of acceptable standards is the solution. Many browsers with one standard to rule them all. So even IE could be part of the solution if it followed acceptable standards.
0.9 is their feature-freeze version. So they're not really adding any features to speak of. Possibly pretty little colors and different keystrokes, but it's essentially the same.
So I think it's as stable or more stable than previous versions. There IS that 0.0001% chance though. SHAME on them.
Please stop stalking me, bro.
Sorry, I'm just too damn lazy! Plus I use an extension to Firefoz which automatically converts any links / emails to hyperlinks for me.
Have a look at http://www.beggarchooser.com/firefox/ (*ahem* http://www.beggarchooser.com/firefox/) - converts text links to genuine, bona fide hyperlinks.
What's weird is that this issue seems almost random. What happens is that table of links on the left side of the page overlaps into the content in the middle. I see it most often on the front page when listing stories.
It's been a complaint for a long time now, yet still no change. It's either Firefox's rendering or it's Slashdot's poor HTML coding (and for all its standards-compliance bitching, we know how standards-compliant this site is, *cough*).
There's a bug with it (in linux at least), though. If you have something in your selection buffer, as soon as you release the mouse in autoscroll, you end up bouncing (or trying to be bounced if the cut buffer is not a URI) to whatever site was in the cut buffer.
What I really want is a Mozilla Suite like application that includes firefox and thunderbird in it. The regular Mozilla combo pack sucks in my opinion because of the nonstandard gui attached to it that's very slow to open, etc. I love the guis in thunderbird and firefox, but I can't figure out how to integrate the profiles for both apps into one like Mozilla suite has. There would be no stopping Mozilla if they would simply do that.
i find that trying to convert an older person is much easier than trying to convert the younger ones. for the most part older people tend to have this aura of respect for IT geeks, while the youngers tend to have this "yeah, yeah, i know, i know" attitude. whenever i give an older person a piece of IT advice it is taken as a Bible verse. Try that with the kiddies.
You need people like me so you can point your fuckin fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." So what that make you? Good?
XP Service Pack 2 may fix this for you. Opera, Firefox and IE 6 all bitched about shortcuts to folders on a DFS when saving prior to SP2.
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
You forgot to add that nickels had pictures of bees on them. "Give me 5 bees for a quarter" I'd say...
Microsoft has documented a way? What? I've been detecting whether the popups I create actually exist or not for quite a while - you just check to see if the window exists and if it's been closed. That's basic JavaScript.
:)
BTW, no, I don't generate unrequested popups - this is for site navigation, etc, where it's actually useful to the users who click "show popup", for example.
Actually, my current mission is to find a valid link for this. The ones provided on mozilla.org are all broken for Windows. (the link is http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/rel eases/0.10/Firefox%20Setup%201.0PR.exe )
Slay a dragon... over lunch!
On a win2k box with Firefox 0.9.3 and some extensions like adblock and firesomething, I installed 1.0PR in separate folder and when I opened it up no buttons or menus would work, my bookmarks gone. After a couple clicks on stuff the whole app would lock up. After a couple of resintallaions and reboots I decided to rename my Mozilla preferences folder and now it works. I don't know what was preventing it from working but this is how I got it work. Backwards compatability isn't 100%. :(
Speak truth to power.
Man, it is worth the download just for the Find toolbar.
Patrick Doyle
I mod down every jackass who puts his moderation policy in his sig. Oh, wait a sec....
Your complaint was my dream come true; I got tired of web bugs in spam, links that used javascript to disguise that they were mailto: a harvesting address, etc. I ditched IE and Outlook forever, even at work, and used Netscape. Unfortunately, there is still "too much" integration between the components of NS, and so I settled on Firefox for browsing, and Sylpheed-Claws for mail. I have to copy mail addresses and switch to my mail client, or copy a link and switch to my browser, but now I don't get hit with the latest e-mail virus du jour, web bugs don't work, and I'm quite satisfied with the trade-offs.
Now, rather than arguing that my view is better than yours, I'll say this: isn't is wonderful to have a CHOICE? If you want http and mailto between your mail and browser, choose Mozilla or start hacking away in the FF and Thunderbird code. I don't want such a thing, and so I choose different programs. If Sylpheed-Claws begins supporting http in my e-mail, I'll either find a new client, freeze my version, or even begin a fork of the project. We all have the choice, and that is why Open Source is, IMHO, the best option for all of us.
Finally, I can't let this go without a security bashing on Microsoft. If Outlook couldn't render HTML, how many of these damn don't-need-to-open-attachment-to-spread-virus viruses and worms would have been stopped cold? Given that Outlook and IE's incestuous coupling has helped spread worms and viruses, is that really a feature we should be copying?
-paul
Pistol caliber is like religion: everyone has their favourite, and theirs is the only right choice.
Anyone else wonder why several plug ins broke with this update? I can't see many new features but seems alot of breakage for the sake of it..
:)
Other wise it's just another update to the fox. We'll all love it, it'll run well and have 1-2 new features we'll find in a few hours. Everyone will insult IE and get modded +5 funny and.. well we'll carry on as normal
I like muppets.
"I don't use firefox because it's unstable." "I prefer IE." Are these the same person? Web developers, expecially. I use firefox to develop web sites, and then add in whatever "fixes" are required to make IE behave like a standards-compliant browser. Most of the time, this saves me lots of time. Sometimes it saves only a little. If for no other reason, there's an actual useful javascript error console and debugger (much like most netscape browsers)! Have you ever tried debugging javascript errors in IE? It's a nightmare.
Mozilla's a great project, but I'm still using the lighter, faster browser with half the download size. Tabbed browsing? Opera did that first. Mouse gestures? Opera did that first. All of the major features people ooh and aww over in Firebird existed in Opera first and were copied. And my Opera takes up WAY less memory and is way more responsive. And I don't need to know XUL to customize my toolbars *exactly* how I want. :) I've got every single button in tiny size running down the left side of my screen, with tabs and the addressbar running along the bottom. My transfers window is in a sidebar on the right side of my screen.
Firefox was finally fixed to use the proper GTK2 keybindings by bug 257405. (No link, b.m.o blocks them from Slashdot) So for example, Ctrl-A finally selects all. If you don't like it, I think you're supposed to change your GTK prefs to use emacs-style, or use a GTK1 build which still has the old configuration.
Personally, I prefer shortcuts that actually make sense and match every other GUI app in existence.
I grabbed all three about 30 minutes ago on one machine and now all the links are broken. Wonder if it sucks to be all the slow people who didn't get it or if it's about to suck to be one of the quick who did. Mozilla should have the bandwidth to sustain all of us. Wonder why they'd have done that... /me gets out box of tinfoil hats for sale
i'm gonna make a killing!
Hey, it's fixed in the trunk. I believe the fix will be in 1.0 final.
Not necessarily so, it doesn't block 1.0 so it's not guaranteed to be fixed in it, it might be but last comments in the bug suggest there still might be some regressions so it won't go into big release like 1.0 if they're not absolutely sure it won't break anything else.
So it's not automatically in until the next branch, whenever that is. 1.1?
I know you're not flaming or anything but here's my take. ///Some sites still don't render quite right///
///It bombs MUCH more than IE did///
I think that while it's kind of annoying, it's the web designer using IE-specific tags creating the website (for the most part).
I worked with a company who had a paysite and they had the worst html I've ever seen. No doctype header, no meta tags other than keywords, and loads and loads of sloppy html and nested tables.
I designed them a site using some CSS and cleaned up their code and got rid of some tables and they never used it.
My brother has also been struggling with his boss who designed some pages in Adobe's web design software, and had tables upon tables with different amounts of columns per row.
I've had the opposite experience, but I believe you. I've also noticed that when IE bombs, ALL IE windows bomb, Explorer bombs.
Keep in mind whenever you use a pre-v1 release of a product, you're liable to experience problems and your problems will be better resolved reporting them to the development team.
Please stop stalking me, bro.
The server side controls render to some pretty lame non-standard HTML... so yeah there is reason. Especially since they render different HTML to IE or "other" visitors.
There's a company that is selling drop-in replacements that render to proper XHTML.
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I admit it, I was once a Microsoft beta tester, Windows 98. I found and reported this bug, and they refused to fix it.
Still haven't figured out why this isn't part of the core program. Why claim to have tabbed browsing when you have to download an extension to make links actually open in tabs. And last I checked there was still no session management for 0.9 Opera all the way for me, tabbed browsing right out of the box.
I have been using firefox since the 0.7 days I just got admin rights on my local machine at work last week and just installed it a few minutes ago here :-)
hell I'm posting from it right now
1. 1.0PR doesn't seem to work with Neomail's cookies anymore. I guess I'll have to wait until 1.0 final, or switch to Horde....
:-(
2. "x" Extension doesn't work anymore
3. www.x10.com popunders are no longer prevented when you leave their site, although the popup when you enter the site is blocked still.
4. Secure sites turn the address bar yellow.
Luckily the stupid "popup message bar" thing can be turned off, but as is normal with Firefox, Christ knows how you turn it back on again, without editted a shedload of hidden XML files!
#include <sig.h>
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Aha... I tend to like standardization, too, just not on my own computer ;)
--TheOrangeSquid Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive
> I honestly don't think I known any IE users anymore
Wow!
Your social circle must be incredibly small!
The good thing is, my upgrade today to Firefox PR1.0 seems to work on a lot of sites that weren't working with Mozilla
This might have been to the document.all object (originally in IE) that Firefox now supports/emulates or whatever (no, I haven't checked it yet!). If sites have code to detect the object to determine if it's IE, as many do, then they hopefully won't be able to tell.
I use all three of these programs. No one program finds everything. Oh, and also use a virus scanner, of course.
I've always just ignored those files. Is there actually anything usefull in there?
Actually, if you go to "about:config" and type in "bugs" in the filter, all the bugs are filtered out.
:)
Bugg free browser at 0.9/0.1Pre
Tabs ON dual monitors...oh god, I don't know how I ever worked without them.....
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
I just upgraded, and the slashdot frame is still rendered wrong. Is this some sort of conspiracy or something ?!
In Soviet America the banks rob you!
I have NEVER had a rendering problem using FF at Slashdot. Ever. On 3 different systems. I need to ask my brother if he has. Just for the record, are there regular /.ers who haven't had the problem ever?
Please stop stalking me, bro.
WTF is a "COWORKER"? For that matter, what is "Orking" and why do cows need it doing to them? Ahhh, I get it, you mean a "colleague"! If you're going to use that appalling term, at least hyphenate it: "co-worker". In a few years time the likes of you will be referring to each other as "CO-PRODUCTION-UNITS", or maybe "CO-MY-EMPLOYERS-PROPERTY-MODULES". You're people, with a life, right? (well maybe not as this is /. afterall).
Huh! COWORKERS, my arse!
I'm glad they finally brought back the zips of the packages that don't require install. Me and a couple of people I know like to be able to have a fresh browser for things that we can delete imediately afterwards. Like for sites that require cookies and we want to delete the cookies afterwards.
Fly me to the moon Let me sing among those stars Let me see what spring is like On jupiter and mars
He's probably referring to the Validator widgets.
The validation is done through javascript depending on the browser User-Agent. I've had numerous experiences where validation works perfectly in IE, but not at all in Firefox/Netscape.
I find Ctrl+PgUp and Ctrl+PgDn much more efficient.
Run The Fscking Installer!
Bollocks it is. It's a bug with PDFCreator. I don't know why it just doesn't use the standard common dialogs, e.g. ::GetSaveFileName(...). I really like PDFCreator, but I intensely dislike its dialogs.
Funnily enough, I'm reading this story at work while providing technical advice (amongst other queries) to our customers.
I've just accepted this mission, and I believe, suceeded. I took a call from a customer who had bought a new PC and was looking for some advice on getting her broadband connection up and running with it - having given the advice, I went into the "after-support" support, explaining the dangers on the internet and the benefits of using Firefox.
To cut a long story short - having downloaded and used Firefox, and guided her through tabbed browsing and my other favourite Moz features - she is now a very happy Firefox user.
Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic
You are making this sound like a big deal! All I needed to do, in order to convert 90% of all office computers here, was to install Service Pack 2. I must say, SP2 works like magic... I couldn't have converted everyone without it!
People discover the meaning of life between getting piss drunk and the following hangover.
The only thing that bugs me about the ctrl+tab functionality, is that it doesn't mirror the alt+tab functionality of windows, where if you do an alt+tab to move to another window, release the alt button, then do another alt+tab you'll be back at the window you started with, i.e. it puts recently viewed windows next in your traversal list.
In Mozilla/Firefox, you have to cycle through all your open tabs to get back to the start. Releasing the ctrl button doesn't put the previously visited tabs next in your list of traversal.
+1 Insightful, -1 Troll. What can I say, I'm an Insightful Troll.
I am 36, and I have legally dayed women half my age, and legally bought them drinks, but then I'm well-known for this already.
In short, I am not old... yet.
And I use Epiphany instead of Moz or FF, but that's just me. FF hangs often on my Debian box.
Put identity in the browser.
I have always wanted to stop using Outlook actually in fact Windows. However, Outlook has the email option to resize the pictures without needing to create a new picture. So far I cant find any other email app to do this function. Can the community help me?
I recently started doing help desk type work at a university (technically, I only work in a small part of the university, but its still the same thing). On my own desktop, I use FireFox, and have been recommending it to the students whenever they complain about spyware/adware. So far, in the 6 weeks I've been here, I've had one convert and will probably get more.
As for Ad-Aware, Spybot S&D, Hijack This!, if it weren't for these tools, I would never get anything done. Thank <insert diety here> that we actually have centrally managed anti-virus software on all of the laptops and desktops I support, otherwise I'd have probably scaled the tallest tower with a rifle by now.
Necessity is the mother of invention.
Laziness is the father.
It's planned, see http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=227241 which Bugzilla won't allow to be directly linked from Slashdot.
Omnes arx vestrum sunt adiuncta nobis.
What are talking about? I have been rolling out FF with roaming profiles since version .6. FF puts its config settings including bookmarks into the C:\Documents and Settings\Username\Application Data\Firefox directory. With roaming profiles, everything from the Username on down is synced up with the server copy. Upon logout, any files changed will be copied back to the server. There must be some issue with your network because roaming profiles work fine for me.
Damn, you're such a stud...and need to grow up.
Anyone else have this problem?
Do you have HTTP Referer turned off? Some servers won't send images if they don't receive the proper Referer header. Open about:config and check network.http.sendRefererHeader. Make sure it's set to 2.
Sorry, everything in the previous message still applies.
The working torrent is here.
Woops, that's the working WINDOWS torrent.
The RSS feed never updates. I've let it run for 2 hours now, and it's still not grabbed the latest rss.
This is incredibly confusing, and there's nothing in the Prefs to set how often it pulls the rss feed. ???
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
For educational purposes, could you point me to a page where there is an unrequested advertisement popup that Firefox doesn't block?
www.ngemu.com
Intermittently loads something called "advertising loading window" in a new tab when you follow a link; the tab remains empty and no popups appear, but it's the closest I can think of to what you're asking for.
And if firefox is still beta, Mozilla has been in release for a while (although it is slower).
Bleh!
Heh, I was about to say, "But he *did* link it!" until I realized that the simple-but-oh-so-convenient Firefox extension called "Linkification" had seamlessly made the plain-text url into a hyperlink for me. :)
Dr Superlove 300ml. I use my powers for awesome
Why, I don't know. But it did...
> Oh, and in six more years we can buy them drinks.
36 / 2 = 18
18 + 6 = 24
Aren't you 3 years off? (5-6 years if you're in Canada)
Perhaps. But the same bug exists/existed in the standard dialog. At least something similar... If you "Save As.." with a recommended filename, and double click on a link/shortcut, it changes the file name to the name of the shortcut. Doubleclick again, and it follows the shortcut STLL WITH THE SHORTCUTS NAME.
At the risk of "me-tooing", I'll second that, having noticed the same effect recently but not thought to bookmark the offending page at the time.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
I suppose you could kludge this by having something periodically eyeball your bookmarks.html file, and barf out a bunch of URL shortcuts into a directory.
Wouldn't be too hard.
Information wants to be free.
Entertainment wants to be paid.
You just want to be cheap.
Works great with a few minor problems. Namely, Googlebar, Firesomething, and Downloadwith were disabled upon installation due to incompatibility.
WTF is with that? I thought the new extension system introduced a few versions ago was supposed to stop this crap.
Firesomething isn't a priority, cos it's just there to be goofy, and I haven't used DLwith in a while, but the Googlebar is used multiple times a day, so I need that.
I used to get high on life, but I developed a tolerance. Now I need something stronger.
"I am really impressed, as it is the first time I convert someone over 30."
Did you also circumcise him?
Oh, that rocks so hard! Thanks for pointing this out; it answers my last objection to the tabbed-browsing concept.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a skull.
I did just that only yesterday. My dad had emailed me with an Outlook problem, and I had responded with a possible solution to the problem. The solution had not worked, so I recommended a couple of other options, mostly involving uninstalling/reinstalling, with the final option being "install Thunderbird". I concluded the email with a bit of an anti-Microsoft rant, which I usually don't get into (I'm a big fan of their business and developer products, I just get frustrated with what they do to their consumer products). The email I received from my dad yesterday informed me that he had made the switch. Cool.
that i read the other replies to this "informative" post in firefox with the sidebar overlapping them.
I really like thunderbird, but if I'm reading a good thread in slashdot and I want to buy some herbal viagra, I can't just right click on my email and "open in new browser tab" That's why I still use the full mozilla suite.
Lotus Notes 6 doesn't recognize Windows directory shortcuts either. I think this an issue with any widget kit that does not bind to Windows native widgets or use native dialogs (I beleive Notes has its own gui toolkit).
you are awesome, I've been trying to figure out how to tab between tabs on the keyboard, but i'm too lazy to read the help files. Thanks.
36 / 2 = 18
18 + 6 = 24
Aren't you 3 years off? (5-6 years if you're in Canada)
36 + 6 = 42
42 / 2 = 21
No, he's not 3 years off. He'll need to be 42 before he can legally buy a drink for a woman half his age.
36/2 = 18
36 + 6 = 42
42/2 = 21
the realist in me says that once Firefox really takes off, we can look forward to people finding security exploits in it too.
But it will still be better.
Internet Explorer is designed to install software on your computer (or else Windows Update wouldn't use it). Firefox is just an application and doesn't have the ability to install software. This, alone, makes a huge difference for spyware.
Firefox does have the ability to install Firefox extensions, which are little scripts that can make Firefox do things. We will need to be vigilant to make sure that there isn't any script-based spyware.
However, I don't think you can get Firefox to install an extension without popping up a dialog box asking for permission, so it's still better than IE.
steveha
lf(1): it's like ls(1) but sorts filenames by extension, tersely
Unfortunately, many extensions check for Firefox versions higher than a certain for compatibility. This new Firefox broke more than half of the extensions installed in my previous version.
Thunderbird does have excellent spam filters. and it also prevents spammers from knowing that your still checking your email by preventing remote images and scripts.
It's a bug in the caller. There's an option called OFN_NODEREFERENCELINKS. Furthermore, if the behaviour of the dialog isn't desirable then the caller can specify a hook function. Thus I stand by my statement that it's a bug in caller.
This is awesome. If IE is still unusable when it hits version 7, we'll have a covert group of techies and admins installing Firefox on computers around the globe. If IE is usable, customers won't complain, and we still don't get viruses and spyware. It's win-win!
(Except for CSS support and proprietary extensions, that is.)
Use a different word such as "start" or "commence."
Oh, and if Outlook doesn't like the colour yellow I should use lilac or something? These idiots have no respect for the English language!!
operamail.com creates a pop-up. On Firefox. I did a double-take when I got that.
I don't care what other retarded-ass things javascript is SUPPOSED to let you do, firefox should NEVER let windows steal the focus. This happens all the time when I'm opening windows to read various webmail accounts. Now I've gotten to where I have to wait ~30 seconds to make sure the pages have loaded, otherwise in the middle of typing my password another tab will steal the focus and have my pass being typed into the visible username field in that tab. VERY SERIOUS BUG. maybe fixed in .10, anyone know?
I converted one last weekend.
They are very happy with it, and have had no problems changing over so far.
Their only concern was that they might lose their bookmarks, but the install prog copied them across perfectly.
a word of warning if your planning on upgrading Firefox, some .9 extentions don't work with 1.0
Ones i found don't work:
* Allow Right Click
* BugMeNot
* Down Them All
* Googlebar
(and maybe a few i forgot)
some update automaticly, but sometimes you need to go to http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/ and do it manually.
but i like the "find in page" bar they have now, and the built in RSS notifier, it also has better integration to ThunderBird
Thanks Mozilla! Great browser! and a great mail client!
It's a major bug because Mozilla can't handle large amounts of nested tables. Slashdot is just the best example for it. I would agree that its priority is probably influenced by public image - most geeks switching are going to use Slashdot, and Firefox not rendering that is a lot worse than not rendering MSN. As the browser's market changes such priority adjustments might phase out.
When will there be a "default off" for cookies, with some EASY way to enable cookies when you get to sites that you actually want cookies on? Currently I have it prompt for cookies and I almost always hit deny, and I still hit deny for some sites then later find I need cookies for that site. The only way I've found to re-enable cookies is to go searching through the HUGE list of exceptions for one of the URLs the site might be setting cookies from (ie: is it slashdot.org, www.slashdot.org, it.slashdot.org, etc.).
On several occasions I've given up on finding the blocked cookie and had to remove all exceptions to get a site to work.
I know it might not be easy, but there needs to be a much simpler way of handling cookies. It should be as easy as a toolbar cookie button that gets clicked and unclicked to allow/disallow cookies that page tried to set (or maybe cookies from *.domain.com, whichever is easiest or works most consistently).
(i know there has been an extension in the past that added a cookie toolbar button, but it's behavior was not very useful)
Currently no mozilla based browser will work "automatically" with roaming profiles. What happens is that a user will create his profile on one computer, move to another, then Firefox (Mozilla, Netscape, etc) will continually ask for a profile since it does not find the one that was created previously.
You might want to recheck, since I currently have Firefox working with roaming profiles and don't recall any difficulties in doing so. The profiles are stored in the Application Data\Firefox directory of a user's profile, so it should work. With that said, their usage of roaming profiles is bad in that they store the Internet cache in Application Data\Firefox instead of Local Settings\Application Data\Firefox. What this means is that with a 50 MB cache, logging on and logging off means resynchronizing 50 MB of data with the domain server. This is 50 MB of unnecessary traffic in the worst case when the client needs to copy the cache back to the server, and is unacceptable in a large domain with roaming profiles.
Another complaint I hear from fellow Adminstrators is the fact that you can easily "lock down" Internet Explorer by using Group Policies through Active Directory. Example, you can easily change the home page of every user by simply creating a policy object and applying it to an Active Directory User Container that includes all of your users. To do this with Firefox would take hours (if not days) depending on the number of installations.
Yes, this is needed. The lack of Group Policies for Firefox meant that I had to edit the Javascript files that determined Firefox settings manually. The act of editing wasn't that bad, since settings were decently documented. What was lacking was documentation regarding what each of the files themselves did. I literally found 3 or 4 .js files with settings in various places in the Firefox folder, and to this day, I have no idea what the difference between each is. Compare this with IE SP2 (pre-SP2 IE control via Group Policy was worthless because they didn't expose enough settings), where all security settings can be set by simply clicking checkboxes or selecting items in a listbox.
And the nice thing with IE group policy is that I can change settings and reapply to everyone as you mentioned. Reapplying Firefox settings right now would basically require reinstalling Firefox, which isn't bad with MSI support, but might be a pain otherwise (I created my own MSI so I don't know about the latter case).
Firefox is great, but extentions make it better. Here are 4 extentions that (IMHO) should come bundled with every Firefox.
e OneKEA/tabpre fs/
e fox/
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Tabbrowser Preferences
http://www.pryan.org/mozilla/site/Th
Provides a comprehensive UI for changing a number of the hidden tabbed browsing preferences in Firefox
Linkification
http://www.beggarchooser.com/fir
Linkification - Allows Firefox to view plain-text URLs and e-mail addresses as actual links
Paste and Go
http://tecwizards.de/mozilla/
This extension lets you paste an URL from the clipboard into the address bar and load it as a single step
Targetalert
http://www.bolinfest.com/targetale
Provides visual cues for the destinations of hyperlinks.
Firefoz!
it's the Fonzi reborn!
Please tell me how! I'm stuck here at work forced to use IE/Outlook, and desperately want something else. There are multiple "web applications" that I have to use, such as time card, employee portal, collaboration, etc, that require the use of Internet Exploder. So while I can browse Slashdot comfortably with Firefox, I still have to use IE for everything internal.
And the mail situation isn't much better. I have to use Outlook Calendar, so Outlook has to stay around. And I've also discovered that Exchange manages to lose a lot of emails and attachements if I don't use Outlook. I have no idea but I guess there's stuff that Exchange won't serve out to IMAP. After two years of this they finally enabled the webdav for Exchange, but unfortunately I need to go through the IE-only employee portal to access it.
Sigh. One year ago today I was happily using Konqueror, KMail and KDE under FreeBSD at work. But I guess our CTO read too much PC World, because now the use of Windows, IE and Outlook are mandatory. Hell, we've even been commanded to replace the RTOS in one of our products with WinXPe...
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
You can find all the tools you need (and if you can't then help us build them) at the new Firefox community marketing websote, SpreadFirefox.com
We don't have the marketing budget the other guys have so we depend on word of mouth (and word of blog) to turn people on to Firefox. Help us spread the word at SpreadFirefox.com.
--Asa
Even without detection, just the existence of the object makes things tons better. I just tested it today on a web scenario that I wrote for our corporate internet. I designed the thing specifically for Internet Explorer because I didn't have time to do enough research to replace some of the IE-specific code with standards-compliant code that was both elegant and performed well. During my test today, I only found ONE thing that wasn't working, and I'm pretty sure I can fix it quickly.
GreyPoopon
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Why is it I can write insightful comments but can't come up with a clever signature?
I'd like to hear from fellow slashdotters if they've faced similar problems in converting people to firefox.
Maybe you should stop trying to convert them. They treat you this way because you're more annoying than the neighbor trying to get them to join Amway. This isn't a religion, so stop trying to peddle Firefox like it's the Watchtower or something...
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
I am really impressed, as it is the first time I convert someone over 30.
I'm impressed as hell. I'm forty and I'm still trying to figure out this new fangled mouse thingy...
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
But since it is displaying instantly, and its a web browser, that functionality wouldn't quite make sense. Treat it like text fields. Ctrl+Tab over, Ctrl+Shift+Tab back. Or as someone else has mentioned, Ctrl+PgUp and Ctrl+PgDown.
Boy I was wrong. He was over-enthusiast. He downloaded it as fast as possible
wow it sounds like his connection speed was over-enthusiast too!
HOLY SHAZAM BATMAN, thanks for the middle click information!
There are browser extensions for IE such as Avant that give it all the features Firefox has. This has, unfortunately, stifled my progress in switching people off IE. It seems these people don't think web standards matter. They use IE because "the websites they go to are more likely to work" which is a symptom of web designers designing solely for IE users. That, and these people only go to "websites they can trust." If you ever want to see some disgusting MS / IE apologist threads, go to the Ars Technica Battlefront forum. It's pretty sad there.
You're right, I wouldn't steal a car. But if it were possible, I sure as hell would download one!
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
Sad but true... there is no official GTK 1.x build anymore. The source doesn't even compile cleanly with the old GTK libs (as a quick try with 0.9 revealed for me).
Well, ctrl+shift+tab reverses the order of tab traversal. Or, you could use the earlier suggestion someone had of using ctrl+pgup and ctrl+pgdn.
Come on, man...this is firefox! Nothing is impossible! :-)
but have you considered the following argument: shut up.
We'll stay ahead of the pop-up creators until pop-ups are a thing of the past. We've just taken another fix (post RC) that blocks the last of the known major category of pop-ups. We can beat them.
--Asa
"For example, you can easily change the home page of every user by simply creating a policy object and applying it to an Active Directory User Container that includes all of your users."
And don't we just love looking at the company home-page for the millionth time when we want to start at Google?
This, to me, would be a great & killer Extension. There are a number of sites where I have to click the same buttons, drop downs, check boxes etc., just to get to a particular place...having the ability to replay those actions on a particular page would be a great time saver...
Though some of the functionality might be restricted depending upon the quality of the site in question, it seems like this shouldn't be too hard to do...for someone who has that kind of time :)
Taking this a step further, would be to use the Extension to scrape a site for key information that could be tied into something else (another Extension?), or maybe just a simpler page.
Give a hand, not a hand-out.
I don't know about you, but everytime they release a newer version, it breaks most of the extensions I have installed and then I have to either fix them or wait for new releases, this is getting tiring. If you are going to release an upgraded product at least have the curtosey to insure that it is downwardly compatable with prior extensions, and give a little lead time to the developers of the extensions so that they can have newer versions at the ready.
This will be the second time in 2 months that I will have to reconfigure Firefox to my liking, I would be willing to give up some of the customization that I am able to do if only for a stable upgrade path
As I said, these results aren't scientific -- no controls, not enough samples, etc. But they are convincing enough to me that I may suggest that some of the people here use Firefox on the intranet as well.
GreyPoopon
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Why is it I can write insightful comments but can't come up with a clever signature?
Tabbrowser Preferences
yeah it's three extensions instead of 1 but seems to work better for me.. anyway.
i need a text file of addresses just to keep track of all the latest download sites for these extensions! arg.
This is my Sig, this is my Gun. One is for Slashdot and one is for Fun.
Why not also consider "disambiguate the phase of the world line signifying the completion of a previous entity or action from the phase representing the commencement of a new entity or action"? Just a thought...I mean, if that's what you gotta do to keep emails from improperly being recognized as attachments, then that's what you gotta do, right?
but have you considered the following argument: shut up.
In conjuntion with HijackThis, I use Process Explorer when supporting our customers. It's really invaluable for Killing Processes or Process Trees of spyware like Bubba.wintools that continually regenerate all of its files and registry entries if they are running.
It's sad that we went from caring about how cookies affect our privacy to frantically trying to keep our computers free of extremely persistant little programs that are free to do whatever they want with your data.
My sister-in-law emailed me about all the spyware on her laptop, making it unusable. After some links to Ad Aware and Spybot....
Me: You need to quit using Internet Explorer on your laptop to prevent getting more scumware than you already have. Get Firefox. http://www.mozilla.org
Her: ...I did download Firefox and have it running instead of IE.
1 point for OSS, but here I come for the win...
Me: Of course you could put all this behind you and never have to worry again by installing Linux and not using Windows. I have a CD that boots Mandrake (without doing anything to your hard drive) directly from the CD-ROM drive. That way you can try it without deleting Windows. If everything works like you want it to, you can install it to the hard drive. Something to think about.
We'll see how that turns out. I've done my part: http://www.spreadfirefox.com/
Anyone hear or know when will Sunbird be wrapped into this?
(I understand it is a bit behind in development but should probably be at least an option in the bundle installation.)
> Thunderbird still needs to catch up to Outlook.
Two words: Pegasus Mail.
No, not open source, but it's $0, easier to use than Outlook, more featureful,
and approximately eleventy hillion jillion times more secure. (Not only does
it not spread worms without user intervention, it roughly triples the number of
steps required for a user to execute an executable attachment of any kind,
and one of the steps involves a scary-looking warning dialog box with the
word "Virus" in the title. I've seen people get trojans from Mozilla Mail,
but there is not a single documented case of this ever happening to anyone
with Pegasus Mail.) I have most of my non-geek family using it. It's great.
Personally, I use Gnus, but you can't tell most non-geeks to use that.
Well, you technically *can* tell them to, but it's not a good idea.
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
What are the winmail.dat files, and what is their purpose, and what should
the mailreader do with them? I don't recall ever seeing one...
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
Depending on what kind of web development work you father is doing, the Web Developer extension might be a lifesaver.
Not to mention the DevEdge Sidebar. I use the MultiBar... all the references for web pages in one convenient, easy-to-reference table. It's what convinced a friend of mine to embrace the Mozilla.
More about it here: http://www.gpc.edu/~jbenson/resource/winmail.htm
I used WMDecode from http://www.biblet.com/ to decode some attachments my coworker received from someone outside the firm in a winmail.dat file.
Or you could use Opera, which behaves like that by default.
I love you Asa :-)
Browsing /. with 1.0PR now. Unfortunately, I ran into one of the ugly format bugs that pop up every so often.. sigh.
Gnash Gnash Gnash
Just tried out the Live Bookmarks feature in 1.0PR. I don't know who came up with this idea, but I think they missed some basic usability testing before including this feature. Here are just a few observations from a half-day of use:
If you are an RSS freak stuck using Windows and haven't tried out SharpReader, I would highly recommend it. It is simple (read: no chrome), powerful, and it works. I also find that it handles bulk feed reading better than any other aggregator out there. I'm just waiting for the GTK# version or a good wxAnything version to come out so I can use it on Linux. As for Live Bookmarks, I am sad to say that it is the first feature for Firefox where I feel that it should have been left on the drawing table.
Mars
One problem with migration to Thunderbird from Outlook, apart from calendaring, is the ability to download Hotmail, MSN, AOL, or Yahoo! web mail. Mozilla doesn't do this.
Not that I think it's a necessarily useful or even sensible feature, but the point is that a lot of other people do.
On more than one occasion I have tried to encourage someone to switch to a less bug-ridden mail client only to be met with "But how do I check my hotmail?"
Therefore, I'd like to see this feature introduced, not for functionality, but as a migration incentive.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
Ah, to be fifteen and to consider a gig of porn "loads"...
I'm 36 and I already can legally buy drinks for women half my age.
sig: Kerry's own After Action report validates the accounts of the Swift Boat Vets
Hint: If you're wounded and want to retreat, consider dropping any heavy weapons before you start running. Otherwise, you appear to be an opponent searching for a vantage point to fire rockets, instead of a non-combatant fleeing for safety.
USMC in Iraq this year continue to follow the rule of firing on enemy with weapons, regardless of them being injured.
Yeah, like is said in the other replies already, you have to teach the ham likewise the spam. But when it learns it's stuff, it works like charm! For example, my email forwarding operator http://www.iki.fi/ is currently testing spamassassin, and it marks the messages it thinks is spam with a *SPAM** in the subject. Well, it works fairly well, but it doesn't catch them all, some come into my inbox unmarked, but Thunderbird does catch them!
And I've yet to see it miss a single message, or incorrectly marking it as a "Junk". Truly magnificent piece of software.
ASP.NET does tend to send different HTML to what MS terms "downlevel" browsers (everything other than IE and Netscape). For example, panels are rendered as DIVs for IE but tables for Opera/FireFox. It also renders things like Bold=True as CSS font-weight: bold; for IE but as tags for Opera/FireFox. You can get around this with a page directive clienttarget=Uplevel, which will specify that it always get rendered for "IE," meaning CSS and DIVs rather than tables and deprecated tags.
I think there's also a problem with the client-side scripting generated by validator controls not working in anything but IE, but I never use them and instead just write my own javascript and server-side validation that I know will work in just about everything (I check sites in Opera, FireFox, Mozilla, IE, Avant Browser, MyIE2, Sleipnir, OffByOne, Netscape 4.7, Netscape 7, and Links).
Relying on ASP.NET to do all the dirty work and generate all your HTML, formatting, and javascript probably will cause some nasty cross-browser issues, but if you are diligent then you can make a perfectly standards-compliant, valid, cross-browser, gracefully degradable web site with ASP.NET
I knew about the lack of official GTK1 builds, but I didn't know that they were more or less busted. I was just going by the bug comments there, but I suppose those were referring only to SeaMonkey in that case.
I just downloaded this new firefox and it hangs on my athlon xp 2700 win 2k machine. tedious.
As I've just been to a website, which I refreshed a couple of times, then suddenly Firefox thought all my bookmarks were that site!
Even viewing the properties of other bookmarks showed the properties of that site (which was also bookmarked).
Maybe they should have a bug forum, which didn't require registration, where you could just file bugs, without having to go through the rules of Bugzilla.
#include <sig.h>
Solution: Don't Do That.
Sheesh... The only reasonable reason for setting everyone's home page to the same thing (eliminating the point of a home page) is to prevent the browser from being hijacked and pointing to a porn site... And you might notice that's not a problem with Firefox.
General rule: If it doesn't cause you any grief, and it makes the lives of the people who are trying to work with the program harder, and there's no legitimate reason to do it, don't do it. I can see locking down certain aspects of a computer. Some things that should never be locked down are instalation of utilities (WinZIP or equivilent, for example, or calculators, or unit converters) (if you're running on XP, this changes from merely bad practice to downright evil... Just lock down the system directory to prevent overwrites, but with XP, you can roll back even that), user preferances (desktop, font colors, and other things that people rely on changing for usability), time setting (this used to be a problem for me. The computer lost hours per day, and I didn't have access to set the time or load a utility that would allow automatic time syncronization), etc. All these make a computer less useful as a tool, reducing efficiency.
(yes, this is a big pet peeve of mine. I had to spend 3 months trying to get permission to install software I needed)
I'm not shy, I'm stalking my prey
I just tried that, and my version of Thunderbird opens the link from an email in another window. Not as nice as having the option to open another tab, but at least you don't lose your place in the /. thread. I have to admit, I have started right-clicking every link, no matter what program it's displaying in, in order to open it in a new tab. Of course, this doesn't work in IE at work. It's such a good feature, it's become a habit.
Everything I've ever learned the hard way was based on a statistically invalid sample.
My misunderstanding. When you (and him) say "ASP.NET" you're really talking specifically about WebForms. There is nothing inherently IE specific with ASP.NET, only with the crappy webforms in VS.NET (yes, I know, webforms are a core new feature of ASP.NET). I use ASP.NET without the webforms - I wouldn't touch them, and in my opinion, no respectable web developer would either.
the tweak that enables a longer search bar beside the address bar no longer works.
Before, the tweak involves adding the following lines to userChrome.css:
#search-container {
-moz-box-flex: 100 !important;
}
Now, the bar's location does seem to change (left anchor), but the width is just the same.
This happens on both windows and linux versions.
my blog
I have Mozilla set as my default e-mail app in Windows, but when I click on mailto: hyperlink in Firefox, it always says "starting MS Word as default e-mail editor"!!! What gives?
Ah. So is it an [almost] complete emulation of document.all?
// make the site function
If so that could become useful, although it does tend towards the idea of not fixing the root of the problem! I assumed when I saw the changelog that it was just that the object now existed to "trick" any scripts that tested for its existance.
e.g. you see a lot of scripts along the lines of:
if (document.all) {
}
I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to know:
How the heck did you get the client to accept the 25 seconds of delay they probably see? I haven't had a client that would accept more than one, maybe two seconds of JavaScript-induced delay since the days when 28.8 was catching on. I'd really love to hear how I can make my client *love* the three second delay we have in our online ad layout engine (massive logical checks to ensure all generated documents comply with the CI and all those stupid EU laws concerning advertising, matrix built on load). Then at least they would stop whining while building more and more rules into it.
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
Get a rope.
So I'm running Firefox 1.0PR and find that my key bindings are drifting away from my emacs favorites.
Now, when I start typing control characters in a text box, like this one here, weird things happen, like Ctrl-B makes my sidebar go away, etc.
Is there a way to get around this nicely?
"Provided by the management for your protection."
...Thunderbird and Firefox are still preview software, things change & problems occur, that's why it's not a 1.0 release yet - we often forget that seeing as they are so useful and hardly ever crash/lose data etc. and are already at a much higher level than anything Microsoft can throw out.
Now, if there are still problems like this after the 1.0 release then by all means flame away.
I am NaN
when I'm on dialup. My ADSL connection is down at the moment due to a cock up at BT's end and so I'm relegated to a 56k dialup account at the moment and all of a sudden the problem that I assumed went away is back with avengance. I've seen it so far 20+ times today whereas I've seen it 2 times in the last year on broadband...wierd.
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Tulip Bulb?
Luxury!
While I haven't seen this in version .93, in earlier versions, if you selected "Tools -> Options", almost every time option window would let you change options, all right, but after you were all done, it would not let you click "OK" and close the window. I had to ctr alt del to get out of FireFox. While a minor bug, it left me with doubts about the program. And seeing as if anything can go wrong, my mom will make it happen, I would rather have the program as stable as possible before having her use it, as I will be the one providing all tech support.
You need two hands for that. ctrl+tab leaves the left hand to click links.
meh
I listed it as a "major bug fix" in the changelog I created. That does not mean that it was treated as a "major bug" before it was fixed, only that I thought it was a notable fix (at least for the kinds of people who would read a changelog).
The shareholder is always right.
Heh, nice reply. Speaking as a 37 year old, I almost tripped over my walker I was laughing so hard.
There is no need to use a SlashDot sig for SEO...
Anyone else get this when clicking on the link? Copying and pasting the URL works fine...
Sorry, links to Bugzilla from Slashdot are disabled.
Go to about:config and set middlemouse.contentLoadUrl to false.
I've tried converting people I know, with some sucesses and some failures.
In my family, I've managed to get my father and year-younger brother to convert. They're both scared of potential security threats, so when I told them Firefox didn't have the security holes of IE, they immediately switched. My 13-year-old younger brother is like many other failed conversions, unfortunately - he has refused to use Firefox simply because NeoPets once didn't display properly in FF. He's also a cynical, stubborn brat who calls Firefox spyware because it's a free program and wants to get under my skin, so I've considered the little runt a hopeless case. My mother hasn't tried it yet, although I installed the program on her system last time I visited her (she lives about 100 miles away) and I hope she'll notice. She runs IE 5.5 though and hasn't had any major spyware problems yet.
As far my friends go, I have two who have used Firefox for awhile, and are loving it. I also have a guy who's sitting on the fence, and a Mac user friend who uses Safari. Ironically, I have a die-hard open-source-loving Linux friend who refuses to use Firefox since it's not out of beta yet.
So yeah, my sucess/failure rate for conversion has been about 50/50. Not too bad considering how uninformed most people are about alternative browsers (or the existence thereof).
One man's selflessness is another man's annoyance.
hey! that's my sig!. :)
Friends don't let Friends use Internet Explorer.
And what's up with the floaty thing on netscape.com ? Not a true popup, but very annoying.
I am an admin for a network of about 350 users. Converting them to Firefox is generally no problem because I just switch browsers and change the icon and label and they just are happy. Why do I change the icon and label? Because the words "Internet Explorer" are sort of like "Kleenex". They expect the thing that shows them the internet to be "Internet Explorer". If you call it "Firefox", they don't know what it is. I install Thunderbird where I can. I say "where I can" because the two major problems I have in "selling" Thunderbird are the lack of a complete shareable calendar. By "complete", I mean that it handles meetings and groups and sends out reminder emails and all that. I have one department that is using the Sunbird calendar against webdav and like it fine, but they don't do meetings, etc. I can't get the HR or Sales types to use Thunderbird without a full-featured calendar. The second thing is that they want the address book and calendar to sync to their Blackberrys! Given those objections, they go right on using Outlook in spite of all warnings and I go right on spending a lot of time fixing "The location where your mail is delivered has changed" and "The mail server failed to respond" and all those other things that Outlook does so well. (It's odd that you can get "The mail server failed to respond" and open up a "Command Prompt" window and telnet to port 110 on the mail server and it slams back instantly with a banner. Duh...) So it's broken.. no one cares..it has a calendar and it syncs with a Blackberry.. Sigh..
I'm just young for my age...
Put identity in the browser.
They're now called "pieces of information stored by web pages on your computer". I liked the delicacies better. Luckily there's an extension to fix it!
cos you know shit about install and deployment business and mumble about msi
Ummm... You obviously are well acquainted with Microsoft server products and Active Directory. Read up on IntelliMirror/GPO-based deployment and SMS, then tell me who's the n00b.
I'm sorry if I haven't offended anyone
It drives me nuts that there still isn't an option to turn off the alert on completed downloads (that shows up near the taskbar in Windows). It's annoying when I go to download something, go into a game, and then when the download is complete and that alert comes up it breaks me out of the game.
I know I can go into about:config and turn the key "browser.download.manager.showAlertOnComplete" to false, but I'd like to see an option for it in the downloads section.
Another annoyance I found is that it seems to block all of the popups on Gmail now, even if the site has loaded completely unless you put gmail.google.com into your allowed popups. I guess that isn't a big deal, but interesting to note.
Same here. Firefox just hangs upon loading. Nice one. Back to the previous version for me.
""Example, you can easily change the home page of every user by simply creating a policy object and applying it to an Active Directory User"
Solution: Don't Do That."
Yes I think locking down the home page was a bad example, better examples of group policy use were the other settings like security, etc. that IE exposes through the group policy. Even the proxy settings, try explaining to hundreds of users how to set proxy settings.
Adding group policy support to an application is dead simple -
- you just make a text based policy template containing all the settings you want to expose,
- admins import that into the group policy manager,
- it reveals a bunch of check boxes or text boxes for each option,
- the admin applies the policy
- the windows PCs pick up the settings and apply them into the registry,
- the next time firefox is run it just needs to call a few APIs to check the settings and it is done.
I had a prototype of this working for an application I used to work on in a matter of hours. If open source wants to be excepted in the enterprise they must support this. (I won't even go into how this is done on a linux machine as I have no idea)
Out of curiosity, I'm now going to ask my cast what they use when we meet for rehearsals. That's a good range of skilled to non-skilled users, ages and backgrounds.
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Evan
"$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
It seems to me that you all have too much time on your hands bitching about which browser to use.
All of you who have problems with IE should try clicking "no" to those IE-addon install windows. Or, just cut down on your porn, and delete obvious spam.
And you forget that alternative browsers are safe from this only because they are the minority. Convert too many, and you'll find you'll create the problems you're running from.
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Has this happened to anyone else?
free speach
Did you mean: free speech
What's the ".prn" stand for? pr0n?
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Do you, by chance, know of any spyware removal tools that do not need to be installed to be run? It's been a while but I seem to remember having to install Spybot & Ad-aware. I'm looking for something I can throw on a cd, just pop it in and run it. No installing required.
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download OOo, convert all current documents, JUST to create a PDF?
Umm, who said anything about that?
Just open the file with openoffice, and click 'print'.
You need two hands for that. ctrl+tab leaves the left hand to click links
Umm, yeah, right.. is *that* what you're calling it now?
"No mom, I can't unlock the door, I'm clicking links!"
Speak for yourself. I personally don't surf the web for porn. I'm more interested in IT news, and using it as in information resource for programming.
meh
P.S. Don't sue me for copyright infringement.
Why are there only 19 people folding@home for slashdot?
Torrent for Linux installer
That's okay. I'm not an American. ;)
Friends don't let Friends use Internet Explorer.
I'll wait for 1.0
Though it never used to be the case, with the last couple of releases you have to redo all of your extensions and with the last couple of releases redoing the extensions has never gone smoothly.
You are retarded.
Automatic saving is possible!e ssions aver
Get the Sessionsaver extension (currently 0.2)
http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/s
and it will ask you for a group name every time you quit --which is annoying for a default behavior, but you can click the checkmark box to do this autosave for you without requiring a name. Voila, your sessions will save seamlessly.
"Wireless : LAN
The way to convert your parents is to rockup and install linux and FF on their PC. no MSIE for them...