Everytime I see this I have to shake my head... I had my first "desktop" in 1978. Ok it was not much.. A Radio Shack TRS-80 16K LevelII. sporting an 8088 blazing at 4mhz, a tape drive(cassettes). Heck it even had voice recognization(worked ok, bout as good as todays stuff). I still have this machine and it works just fine....
There where also many a Heathkits out there to in those days...
IMO statements such as this article makes "about IBM changeing the world" will are just plain false....
Every wonder that the click fraud consultants may have a piece of the click generating scene??? "I'll take a server or two on old tanker number 3"
Just a thought,,,
Yes Outlook is a very good program... I am partial to it myself when I use a windors box... HOWEVER you must consider Kontact. It is very powerful NOTE the "very powerful" part....
I like it much better now than Outlook... It you also add in all the plugs for all manner of thingys , then pretty much anything for windors is just left in the dust... IMHO
Well now... Just when are the codes for the Windors voting machines going to be released???
How 'bout codes for dem Windors ATM machines too....
Fine world when MOST of our most important is guarded by a swiss cheese OS... Sorry for the offensive remark refering to "swiss cheese" NOT Windors.
Secure MSOS... Yea, Right... In Redmond dreams......
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Windows kernel = about a gig these days loads... EVERYTHING you can imagine.... Why anyone with a modern machine with XP would want to run something from windows 95/98 era is beyond me....
Come to think of it anyone who would want a windows machine as a full time machine is too beyond me....
But give a hand to the noobs at least they are trying...
Now get off the distro candy kernel and build your own....
I am not a big music download fan so I really don't worry AT ALL about which site is legal or not. The 20 -30 songs I have downloaded came through a "legit" service... (legit = company who sucks the big guys toes under and over the desk).
I guess I could bitch about the fact that not only do the big record labels screw the public they also screw the Artist they rep most of the time. But that is another can of worms in itself.
So whose $s are they watchin' out for anyway???
Just a Thought.... and MHO
Yes it does make me wonder..... Running virtualized Linux on virtualized Linux hosted by Linux....
Now that seems to be just a bit overkill does it not....
The students of today may find that after they grow up on microsoft that they end up at a desk with a Mac on it...
Here in my area many Doctors offices, Hospitals and care providers of the same Group use Mac. That is the only system/OS on their next work. I am curious as to the servers they run....
Difference in suite formatting aside. Most ppl have no idea how to even properly format what they are typing anyway. So when you throw in a program with several dozen buttons to play with and the person know not how to click "help".
Well you might get just about any type of style format you can imagine. Not to mention the fact that most editors "set" a users style as a style format for that doc no matter if it is a far left style of not...
Dang hard to type without my glasses. Hard on the eyes too...
OK, I am a firm beleiver in embedded Linux, extreme SFF computers and/or "OS-on-a-chip".
After review of the Article and posting it appears most ppl think of embedded devices as strictly "consumer" type products. Rightful so as the article did not address "who" (read end-user) target the embed was targeted for. Yet there are hundreds products on the market for Industrial control applications and thousands of consumer products.
If the the designers surveyed where from the industrial controls sector then yes Linux embedded devices and their use is low. If from a consumer product stand point then the article is flawed.
Multi embedded Linux systems in an automated industrial enviroment would be much better, far more reliable, much more expandable and more easier to manage then the "old" tech in use today, namely the PLC.
Look at it. A famous named PLC offers 16k-32k of program storage, communicates via a modified 485 or Ethernet with a $1200.00 piece of hardware. Takes a $1000.00+ software bundle to program it (just One class). OH I forgot... Starting price NEW for an expandable controller is as much as its ID number. I have seen PLC rack add $15000.00 to a project (single piece of equipment) and that is not a very big rack at all. Don't forget the software - PLC, Scanner, HMI, Ethernet Interface and wares for a computer to talk to it.(another $5g)
For that kind of cash you could put in embeds to control the whole process and be redunant.
Bottom line . . . That is really what it is about. IMO PLCs are relics from the past that need to be trashed and embedded PCs is the now and future
Ok...
But I am not a "gamer" least not on a Desktop. I will leave games to gameing consoles, thats me...
Yes Windors has a bad rap with games and desktop switching... Not mentioning the rest...
But I have read where lots of people have loaded Linux and WINE and then try to run everything on a windows partition only to be frustrated when it fails. Then they get frustrated with Linux because they just cannot 'point-n-click' everything. Me thinks they could not tweak a windors machine either.
IMO The 3 "major" OSs Unix, Linux and windors have their place. Somebody somewhere can and will argue the points for each system. And that too is why I have all 3 (FreeBSD, Linux(Slackware, FC2 and Knoppix) and windors(xp home, xp pro, win98) and my Amigas(1.3, 2.1, 3.0) I once ran BeOS.
Yes I have a thing for computers.
I have no use for WINE or any other emulator. I have considered VM ware for my next build which will be bootable to at least 4 different OSs.
BTW need a box, I keep 3 spares in a closest in case one fails. 16 total, at least 5 running all the time. A girl has got to have her servers.
Being a long time Slackware user and only have a way ever-so-often need to run something on Windors "I ask why use WINE?"
I have a Windors box that is a slave to my Slackbox with Synergy. It asnswers the telephone until I need something.
I guess I look at it like this. If you go to the trouble to install Linux or a Unix flavor only to install WINE and run Windors apps on it "Why even bother?" Just run Windors...
I started running Slackware to get away from the trouble not add to it.
IMO
That is how I do it. My home network(s) are located behind not 1 but 2 stateful linux firewalls and each machine has its own firewall Linux(iptable), BSD(ipfirewall) and window boxes (Nortons, zonelabs).
When building windows boxes behind my walls I have not had anything get to them when they are in their "virgin" state...
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Everytime I see this I have to shake my head... I had my first "desktop" in 1978. Ok it was not much.. A Radio Shack TRS-80 16K LevelII. sporting an 8088 blazing at 4mhz, a tape drive(cassettes). Heck it even had voice recognization(worked ok, bout as good as todays stuff). I still have this machine and it works just fine.... There where also many a Heathkits out there to in those days... IMO statements such as this article makes "about IBM changeing the world" will are just plain false....
Every wonder that the click fraud consultants may have a piece of the click generating scene??? "I'll take a server or two on old tanker number 3" Just a thought,,,
Yes Outlook is a very good program... I am partial to it myself when I use a windors box... HOWEVER you must consider Kontact. It is very powerful NOTE the "very powerful" part.... I like it much better now than Outlook... It you also add in all the plugs for all manner of thingys , then pretty much anything for windors is just left in the dust... IMHO
That really gets under your skin.... "What's in your pinkie?"
wow... Go read a crap load of personal profiles.... Oh what fun....
Well now... Just when are the codes for the Windors voting machines going to be released??? How 'bout codes for dem Windors ATM machines too.... Fine world when MOST of our most important is guarded by a swiss cheese OS... Sorry for the offensive remark refering to "swiss cheese" NOT Windors. Secure MSOS... Yea, Right... In Redmond dreams......
Windows kernel = about a gig these days loads... EVERYTHING you can imagine.... Why anyone with a modern machine with XP would want to run something from windows 95/98 era is beyond me.... Come to think of it anyone who would want a windows machine as a full time machine is too beyond me.... But give a hand to the noobs at least they are trying... Now get off the distro candy kernel and build your own....
I am not a big music download fan so I really don't worry AT ALL about which site is legal or not. The 20 -30 songs I have downloaded came through a "legit" service... (legit = company who sucks the big guys toes under and over the desk). I guess I could bitch about the fact that not only do the big record labels screw the public they also screw the Artist they rep most of the time. But that is another can of worms in itself. So whose $s are they watchin' out for anyway??? Just a Thought.... and MHO
Yes it does make me wonder..... Running virtualized Linux on virtualized Linux hosted by Linux.... Now that seems to be just a bit overkill does it not....
The students of today may find that after they grow up on microsoft that they end up at a desk with a Mac on it... Here in my area many Doctors offices, Hospitals and care providers of the same Group use Mac. That is the only system/OS on their next work. I am curious as to the servers they run....
"Well, it looked good in the prints and the computer sim went flawless.." Strange how things get lost in translation.
Difference in suite formatting aside. Most ppl have no idea how to even properly format what they are typing anyway. So when you throw in a program with several dozen buttons to play with and the person know not how to click "help". Well you might get just about any type of style format you can imagine. Not to mention the fact that most editors "set" a users style as a style format for that doc no matter if it is a far left style of not... Dang hard to type without my glasses. Hard on the eyes too...
OK, I am a firm beleiver in embedded Linux, extreme SFF computers and/or "OS-on-a-chip". After review of the Article and posting it appears most ppl think of embedded devices as strictly "consumer" type products. Rightful so as the article did not address "who" (read end-user) target the embed was targeted for. Yet there are hundreds products on the market for Industrial control applications and thousands of consumer products. If the the designers surveyed where from the industrial controls sector then yes Linux embedded devices and their use is low. If from a consumer product stand point then the article is flawed. Multi embedded Linux systems in an automated industrial enviroment would be much better, far more reliable, much more expandable and more easier to manage then the "old" tech in use today, namely the PLC. Look at it. A famous named PLC offers 16k-32k of program storage, communicates via a modified 485 or Ethernet with a $1200.00 piece of hardware. Takes a $1000.00+ software bundle to program it (just One class). OH I forgot... Starting price NEW for an expandable controller is as much as its ID number. I have seen PLC rack add $15000.00 to a project (single piece of equipment) and that is not a very big rack at all. Don't forget the software - PLC, Scanner, HMI, Ethernet Interface and wares for a computer to talk to it.(another $5g) For that kind of cash you could put in embeds to control the whole process and be redunant. Bottom line . . . That is really what it is about. IMO PLCs are relics from the past that need to be trashed and embedded PCs is the now and future
Ok... But I am not a "gamer" least not on a Desktop. I will leave games to gameing consoles, thats me... Yes Windors has a bad rap with games and desktop switching... Not mentioning the rest... But I have read where lots of people have loaded Linux and WINE and then try to run everything on a windows partition only to be frustrated when it fails. Then they get frustrated with Linux because they just cannot 'point-n-click' everything. Me thinks they could not tweak a windors machine either. IMO The 3 "major" OSs Unix, Linux and windors have their place. Somebody somewhere can and will argue the points for each system. And that too is why I have all 3 (FreeBSD, Linux(Slackware, FC2 and Knoppix) and windors(xp home, xp pro, win98) and my Amigas(1.3, 2.1, 3.0) I once ran BeOS. Yes I have a thing for computers. I have no use for WINE or any other emulator. I have considered VM ware for my next build which will be bootable to at least 4 different OSs. BTW need a box, I keep 3 spares in a closest in case one fails. 16 total, at least 5 running all the time. A girl has got to have her servers.
Being a long time Slackware user and only have a way ever-so-often need to run something on Windors "I ask why use WINE?" I have a Windors box that is a slave to my Slackbox with Synergy. It asnswers the telephone until I need something. I guess I look at it like this. If you go to the trouble to install Linux or a Unix flavor only to install WINE and run Windors apps on it "Why even bother?" Just run Windors... I started running Slackware to get away from the trouble not add to it. IMO
That is how I do it. My home network(s) are located behind not 1 but 2 stateful linux firewalls and each machine has its own firewall Linux(iptable), BSD(ipfirewall) and window boxes (Nortons, zonelabs). When building windows boxes behind my walls I have not had anything get to them when they are in their "virgin" state...