"This is NOT just a Linux site" You must be joking. Count the number of pro-linux and anti-Microsoft stories posted on slashdot, create a ratio of those two against the sum of misc stories that appear here.
My point was that this has been horribly blown out of proportion, there have been no less then a dozen stories posted on the matter of this trial. Why not simply wait until the end of the trial instead of speculating and drooling every other day over some new tidbit? How long will this go on? Years? Until the appeal process is over?
Why not post some Pro-microsoft stories on Slashdot instead? How about mentioning the money Bill Gates donates to minority kids for scholarships? Or how about the financial results for Microsoft for the last year? Maybe some more information on the X-box? Or how well Windows 2000 is selling?
Of course those stories don't belong here, Slashdot _is_ a site for Linux, and Linux these days is associated with Microsoft bashing.
P.S. Good luck on those moderation points, nice to know that anyone who mildly likes Microsoft's products has no opinion in your eyes. For a group supposedly dedicated to free speech, you sure are fascist in your approach to such liberties. Free the code, shut up Microsoft supporters eh?
Damn straight:) When I saw Sakura on there my eyes bulged out:) I don't give a rat's ass about the technical merits of this thing, the look is enough for me to get it. I emailed the guy asking him if he'd make one for me for a profit.
I doubt there's much profitability in creating Office for Linux, simply look at the market they will have to entice:
1. "Open source or die" fascists who will refuse to use Office for ethical reasons 2. "We want everything free" crowd who will refused to use Office in favor of "free" products such as Wordperfect or Star Office 3. "M$ is evil and we are 31337" crowd who'll refuse to use anything mildly associated with Microsoft 4. "Let's warez" crowd who'll simply pirate the software.
How many commercial software products make a sizable profit on the Linux platform? It makes no buisiness sense at all.
As for your other point, I'm sorry, but if you think companies aren't supporting Linux because of a veiled axe weilded by Microsoft behind the scenes, you've got to be kidding me. If supporting Linux was a profitable venture then many companies would embark on that path, alas, it's not, and with the "Free" attitude so prevailent among penguinistas, it probably never will be.
Hasn't Slashdot milked this enough? How many "Microsoft-will-die" stories must be posted to satisfy the drooly/giggling anti Microsoft fanatics?
It's been stated already, this will go on to appeals and will probably not come to a conclusion in our lifetimes, get over it and report some real news already instead of playing the old podium game.
Realize also that any breakup of Microsoft will have very little impact on Linux. If a hardware vendor doesn't give a rat's ass about Linux, it certainly won't change it's mind like magic after any ruling.
Microsoft "backdoor": Hurray for open source!
Redhat backdoor: Hurray for open source!
Now the question is, will ESR write an article about the dangers of Open Source? Or will the open source community set another wonderful hypocritical example?
Oh dear god, more nonsense. While I personally don't play the game, it certainly doesn't take a genius to recognize that this submission is yet another podium rant as opposed to real news
1. In the article shown above, Sony clearly states it's decision for banning the sales of virtual items. It wasn't done to "Screw the players because we were bored one night"
2. Names changes: Now this is weird, what kind of names were revoked? Certainly the first thing that comes into my mind are obscene names. Why weren't any of these names shared with us during the submission?
3. "Yadda yadda the game crashes under Wine" Uh duh, and? The game's requirements clearly state "Windows 9x" Either get Windows to play Windows games, or petition the company to create a Linux port.
I'd like to make an offtopic note- This is _exactly_ how news should be displayed on Slashdot, without the coloring of editorialism by the submitter. Show the article, let the readers make up their own minds without a set biased viewpoint shoved in their faces prior to it.
"On a side note, having a QT streaming server for NT is a good thing... yes, it means your QTSS could be crashy and slow because it's running on NT, but it means few webhosting providers will have an excuse not to provide QTSS, and it'll help fight Windoze Media on its own turf."
It's unfortunate that you did not provide a silly anecdote of a NT server with Media Services crashing every time you sneezed.
The only thing preventing Windows Media player from running on Linux is licensing fees. Certainly if Real Networks - the sworn enemy of Microsoft can obtain a license, so can any Linux programmmer/company with funds.
If your issue is "Open source standards" here's a clue, QT is just as closed source.
Seems to me like you're just wishing for Windows Media to die, why? We Windows users certainly have nothing against it, or the Windows media player. Also, what's with the "Windoze" renaming? An attempt at scoring some bonus moderation points?
Well let's look at this. First off, are you comparing Windows with Linux? And if so, what is your comparison based on? The biased opinion of Slashdot readers, statistics from sites like Netcraft, or something else?
Let's look at the webserver issue first. Apache does in fact have a 2:1 lead over IIS. You won't see myself, or anyone else arguing that for the moment, Apache holds the medals. However recognize that IIS is the second most popular webserver, and that's no small accomplishment.
Next look at the platform breakdowns. How many sites are served with Linux as opposed to NT? Remember Netcraft's statistics show webserver breakdown, not operating system. For all you know, Linux could make up a very small portion of the web servers using Apache. IIS on the other hand is used Exclusively by NT/2000. I'd wager that the number of sites served by NT is at _least_ equal the number of sites served by Linux.
File server: with Windows 9x/NT clients NT windows hands down, this has been proven time and time again. When someone conducts a test with both 9x, NT, MacOS, Linux and whatnot clients where Linux with Samba holds up, let me know. (Last time I checked, SGI machines with Samba were the highest performing file servers anyway)
Application server: Terminal Services provides remote application services for NT. X provides the same for Linux. Personally I'd rather run MS Office remotely, then Star Office..then again that's up to you. Generally Windows has a much wider range of quality commercial applications.
If you truly believe that Linux is the superior operating system in every concern, you're living in a dream world. If Linux advocates wish to continue their petty little war against Microsoft then they had better realize that arrogance and self inflated egos will only carry them so far.
It's quite simple. Be Inc wanted to go the "legal" way instead of reverse engineering as Linux has done to create it's port. Be Inc is a company, meaning they are very accessable for lawsuits. It's simply not worth it
Man, I really wish the editorial crew would grow up.
"Wyse introduced a Linux-based thin client last year but will be phasing out that machine because Linux didn't have adequate support from companies that made bar-code readers, scanners, printers and other hardware with which the thin clients had to be able to communicate."
That says it all. Big whoop. Yes folks, surprise, Windows is better at Linux at some things. Raving like a lunatic and shaking your fist in anger and denial won't make your penis grow.
Instead of acting like immature snots and running around chanting "Winsux" and "M$" while recalling wonderous anecdotes of NT crashing every thirty seconds, why not look into establishing better partnerships with IHVs so in the future Linux will be a viable option?
Slashdot is a podium site for Linux advocates. It's no surprise it's readers favor Linux over NT, 9x, BeOS, MacOS, PalmOS, FreeBSD, or anything else you can think of. Head over to benews.com and tell me which OS the majority of readers preffer there, hint hint, it starts with a "B"
1. BeOS already runs on most Macintoshes up to G3. It does not run on G3/G4 as Apple refused to release the necessary specs to Be Inc. No G3/4 hack was made due to fear of lawsuits, and generally lack of time/money needed to devote programmers for this. x86 was a much more profitable architecture, and so BeOS was ported to it.
2. BeOS is for the major part,closed source. JLG already stated that "The kernel is ours" Unless Be Inc goes under, don't expect to see the code released.
Personally, I'm quite happy with it being closed source, and so are the majority of BeOS users. We preffer what works, not what's OSS Politically correct.
Do you know what the funny part is? The same thing can be said about Linux.
"Oh it's just another open source operating system without good drivers, applications, games, or hardware vendor support. Redhat has repackeged someone else's work, and still can't make a profit on it"
So uhh..why should we use Linux when one of the *BSD is available for the same price?
I'll tell you exactly what BeOS has that Linux does not. Innovation, and a group of users interested in using what works, not what's politically correct in the geek world - See "Open source must be everywhere"
It's interesting that you mention share holders and employees.
From reading the MS culture article here on slashdot a few weeks ago, the employees at Microsoft appear to be very happy, well paid, and have no major issues with what Microsoft does.
As for stockholders...I don't quite follow. How do Microsoft's actions hurt stockholders? A stockholder is concerned with one thing, and one thing only - $. Microsoft has been raking in profits for years, which in turn raise share prices, which in turn make stockholders happy.
You are right on one part, Microsoft has no-one to blame. However keep in mind, no profitable company survives for long without stepping on a few toes.
I'm curious, why is it that whenever someone does muster up the courage to say something mildly positive about Microsoft, they follow it up with "I don't want to sound like a MS flunk/supporter/etc" ? Are you afraid of some mystical curse that might take hold of you if you proclaim that you really do like Microsoft products? It's not a crime, it simply makes you intelligent. You use whatever works best for you. That's the bottom line. Don't apologize, just do it.
First off, do you agree with everything the US government states? I then assume you agree with the DMCA? If Microsoft are a monopoly, so are Intel, Sun, Apple, Cisco, and many other companies who maintain a "majority" share in their perspective field. Personally, I'd say yes, Microsoft is one. Sooner or later, Redhat will become a monopoly in Linux, I hope you'll then stand up and advocate that they be crushed by the DOJ.
Here's an interesting note for you, Linux is "supposedly" superior to Microsoft's offerings in every way, and is free, and yet the DOJ finds that Microsoft has no competition? Somehow those two things don't go together for me...
As for my tagline, it's very simple. Here at Slashdot, readers are herded into one particular viewpoint. You may not speak well of Microsoft, you may not support DVD Encryption, you may not speak ill of reverse engineering, you may not suggest that Windows NT/2000 is a better choice for a lot of people then Linux. This is simply not allowed, Slashdot readers must maintain a singular opinion on major issues, otherwise all these Linux podium posts that outnumber real news 2:1 wouldn't have much effect.
Slashdot is not a "News for nerds" site, it's a podium for Linux advocates to bash Microsoft and closed source, while patting Linux and open source on the back.
An open minded individual uses all tools presented before him/her to solve a problem. A closed minded individual is trained to one particular way, and refuses to attempt anything else. Which category do the majority of Slashdot readers fall under?
When actual debates on which tools work, and which don't begin to take place, then maybe you'll be right. Until then it's just a reiteration of the old "Linux r00lz M$ dr00lz" chant.
I fail to see why the "best" part is that these mainframes run Linux? If they had been running a *BSD, Windows 2000, or something else, would that not be as great? Why is Linux the flavor in the soup that's touted over the other ingredients? Give me a freaking break already. Want to advertise Linux? Put up more banner ads. Want to report news? Do so with some semblence of journalistic integrity.
Uh first off that's highly doubtful, Microsoft undoubtably has many license agreements with third party companies, and open sourcing all of Windows would be illegal and therefore impossible
As for "competent", get a clue. A bunch of incompetent coders have so far managed to whip the market share out of all the "competent" coding contestants. If you believe Microsoft engineers are the bumbling idiots you proclaim them to be, better guess again.
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"This is NOT just a Linux site"
You must be joking. Count the number of pro-linux and anti-Microsoft stories posted on slashdot, create a ratio of those two against the sum of misc stories that appear here.
My point was that this has been horribly blown out of proportion, there have been no less then a dozen stories posted on the matter of this trial. Why not simply wait until the end of the trial instead of speculating and drooling every other day over some new tidbit? How long will this go on? Years? Until the appeal process is over?
Why not post some Pro-microsoft stories on Slashdot instead? How about mentioning the money Bill Gates donates to minority kids for scholarships? Or how about the financial results for Microsoft for the last year? Maybe some more information on the X-box? Or how well Windows 2000 is selling?
Of course those stories don't belong here, Slashdot _is_ a site for Linux, and Linux these days is associated with Microsoft bashing.
P.S. Good luck on those moderation points, nice to know that anyone who mildly likes Microsoft's products has no opinion in your eyes. For a group supposedly dedicated to free speech, you sure are fascist in your approach to such liberties. Free the code, shut up Microsoft supporters eh?
Hoeee! n.n
:) When I saw Sakura on there my eyes bulged out :) I don't give a rat's ass about the technical merits of this thing, the look is enough for me to get it. I emailed the guy asking him if he'd make one for me for a profit.
Damn straight
I doubt there's much profitability in creating Office for Linux, simply look at the market they will have to entice:
1. "Open source or die" fascists who will refuse to use Office for ethical reasons
2. "We want everything free" crowd who will refused to use Office in favor of "free" products such as Wordperfect or Star Office
3. "M$ is evil and we are 31337" crowd who'll refuse to use anything mildly associated with Microsoft
4. "Let's warez" crowd who'll simply pirate the software.
How many commercial software products make a sizable profit on the Linux platform? It makes no buisiness sense at all.
As for your other point, I'm sorry, but if you think companies aren't supporting Linux because of a veiled axe weilded by Microsoft behind the scenes, you've got to be kidding me. If supporting Linux was a profitable venture then many companies would embark on that path, alas, it's not, and with the "Free" attitude so prevailent among penguinistas, it probably never will be.
Hasn't Slashdot milked this enough? How many "Microsoft-will-die" stories must be posted to satisfy the drooly/giggling anti Microsoft fanatics?
It's been stated already, this will go on to appeals and will probably not come to a conclusion in our lifetimes, get over it and report some real news already instead of playing the old podium game.
Realize also that any breakup of Microsoft will have very little impact on Linux. If a hardware vendor doesn't give a rat's ass about Linux, it certainly won't change it's mind like magic after any ruling.
Microsoft "backdoor": Hurray for open source!
Redhat backdoor: Hurray for open source!
Now the question is, will ESR write an article about the dangers of Open Source? Or will the open source community set another wonderful hypocritical example?
Can large number of flames from Slashdotters to be considered spam?
I use Windows 2000 on my PC and two laptops and it works quite well. How about getting your head out of your ass for a minute?
Someone explain to me what "Winders" is?
Oh dear god, more nonsense. While I personally don't play the game, it certainly doesn't take a genius to recognize that this submission is yet another podium rant as opposed to real news
1. In the article shown above, Sony clearly states it's decision for banning the sales of virtual items. It wasn't done to "Screw the players because we were bored one night"
2. Names changes: Now this is weird, what kind of names were revoked? Certainly the first thing that comes into my mind are obscene names. Why weren't any of these names shared with us during the submission?
3. "Yadda yadda the game crashes under Wine" Uh duh, and? The game's requirements clearly state "Windows 9x" Either get Windows to play Windows games, or petition the company to create a Linux port.
I'd like to make an offtopic note- This is _exactly_ how news should be displayed on Slashdot, without the coloring of editorialism by the submitter. Show the article, let the readers make up their own minds without a set biased viewpoint shoved in their faces prior to it.
"On a side note, having a QT streaming server for NT is a good thing... yes, it means your QTSS could be crashy and slow because it's running on NT, but it means few webhosting providers will have an excuse not to provide QTSS, and it'll help fight Windoze Media on its own turf."
It's unfortunate that you did not provide a silly anecdote of a NT server with Media Services crashing every time you sneezed.
The only thing preventing Windows Media player from running on Linux is licensing fees. Certainly if Real Networks - the sworn enemy of Microsoft can obtain a license, so can any Linux programmmer/company with funds.
If your issue is "Open source standards" here's a clue, QT is just as closed source.
Seems to me like you're just wishing for Windows Media to die, why? We Windows users certainly have nothing against it, or the Windows media player. Also, what's with the "Windoze" renaming? An attempt at scoring some bonus moderation points?
Well let's look at this. First off, are you comparing Windows with Linux? And if so, what is your comparison based on? The biased opinion of Slashdot readers, statistics from sites like Netcraft, or something else?
Let's look at the webserver issue first. Apache does in fact have a 2:1 lead over IIS. You won't see myself, or anyone else arguing that for the moment, Apache holds the medals. However recognize that IIS is the second most popular webserver, and that's no small accomplishment.
Next look at the platform breakdowns. How many sites are served with Linux as opposed to NT? Remember Netcraft's statistics show webserver breakdown, not operating system. For all you know, Linux could make up a very small portion of the web servers using Apache. IIS on the other hand is used Exclusively by NT/2000. I'd wager that the number of sites served by NT is at _least_ equal the number of sites served by Linux.
File server: with Windows 9x/NT clients NT windows hands down, this has been proven time and time again. When someone conducts a test with both 9x, NT, MacOS, Linux and whatnot clients where Linux with Samba holds up, let me know. (Last time I checked, SGI machines with Samba were the highest performing file servers anyway)
Application server: Terminal Services provides remote application services for NT. X provides the same for Linux. Personally I'd rather run MS Office remotely, then Star Office..then again that's up to you. Generally Windows has a much wider range of quality commercial applications.
If you truly believe that Linux is the superior operating system in every concern, you're living in a dream world. If Linux advocates wish to continue their petty little war against Microsoft then they had better realize that arrogance and self inflated egos will only carry them so far.
BeOS of course =)
It's quite simple. Be Inc wanted to go the "legal" way instead of reverse engineering as Linux has done to create it's port. Be Inc is a company, meaning they are very accessable for lawsuits. It's simply not worth it
Man, I really wish the editorial crew would grow up.
"Wyse introduced a Linux-based thin client last year but will be phasing out that machine because Linux didn't have adequate support from companies that made bar-code readers, scanners, printers and other hardware with which the thin clients had to be able to communicate."
That says it all. Big whoop. Yes folks, surprise, Windows is better at Linux at some things. Raving like a lunatic and shaking your fist in anger and denial won't make your penis grow.
Instead of acting like immature snots and running around chanting "Winsux" and "M$" while recalling wonderous anecdotes of NT crashing every thirty seconds, why not look into establishing better partnerships with IHVs so in the future Linux will be a viable option?
Uhh..bzzt..incorrect
Slashdot is a podium site for Linux advocates. It's no surprise it's readers favor Linux over NT, 9x, BeOS, MacOS, PalmOS, FreeBSD, or anything else you can think of. Head over to benews.com and tell me which OS the majority of readers preffer there, hint hint, it starts with a "B"
1. BeOS already runs on most Macintoshes up to G3. It does not run on G3/G4 as Apple refused to release the necessary specs to Be Inc. No G3/4 hack was made due to fear of lawsuits, and generally lack of time/money needed to devote programmers for this. x86 was a much more profitable architecture, and so BeOS was ported to it.
2. BeOS is for the major part,closed source. JLG already stated that "The kernel is ours" Unless Be Inc goes under, don't expect to see the code released.
Personally, I'm quite happy with it being closed source, and so are the majority of BeOS users. We preffer what works, not what's OSS Politically correct.
Do you know what the funny part is? The same thing can be said about Linux.
"Oh it's just another open source operating system without good drivers, applications, games, or hardware vendor support. Redhat has repackeged someone else's work, and still can't make a profit on it"
So uhh..why should we use Linux when one of the *BSD is available for the same price?
I'll tell you exactly what BeOS has that Linux does not. Innovation, and a group of users interested in using what works, not what's politically correct in the geek world - See "Open source must be everywhere"
It's interesting that you mention share holders and employees.
From reading the MS culture article here on slashdot a few weeks ago, the employees at Microsoft appear to be very happy, well paid, and have no major issues with what Microsoft does.
As for stockholders...I don't quite follow. How do Microsoft's actions hurt stockholders? A stockholder is concerned with one thing, and one thing only - $. Microsoft has been raking in profits for years, which in turn raise share prices, which in turn make stockholders happy.
You are right on one part, Microsoft has no-one to blame. However keep in mind, no profitable company survives for long without stepping on a few toes.
I'm curious, why is it that whenever someone does muster up the courage to say something mildly positive about Microsoft, they follow it up with "I don't want to sound like a MS flunk/supporter/etc" ? Are you afraid of some mystical curse that might take hold of you if you proclaim that you really do like Microsoft products? It's not a crime, it simply makes you intelligent. You use whatever works best for you. That's the bottom line. Don't apologize, just do it.
First off, do you agree with everything the US government states? I then assume you agree with the DMCA? If Microsoft are a monopoly, so are Intel, Sun, Apple, Cisco, and many other companies who maintain a "majority" share in their perspective field. Personally, I'd say yes, Microsoft is one. Sooner or later, Redhat will become a monopoly in Linux, I hope you'll then stand up and advocate that they be crushed by the DOJ.
Here's an interesting note for you, Linux is "supposedly" superior to Microsoft's offerings in every way, and is free, and yet the DOJ finds that Microsoft has no competition? Somehow those two things don't go together for me...
As for my tagline, it's very simple. Here at Slashdot, readers are herded into one particular viewpoint. You may not speak well of Microsoft, you may not support DVD Encryption, you may not speak ill of reverse engineering, you may not suggest that Windows NT/2000 is a better choice for a lot of people then Linux. This is simply not allowed, Slashdot readers must maintain a singular opinion on major issues, otherwise all these Linux podium posts that outnumber real news 2:1 wouldn't have much effect.
Slashdot is not a "News for nerds" site, it's a podium for Linux advocates to bash Microsoft and closed source, while patting Linux and open source on the back.
An open minded individual uses all tools presented before him/her to solve a problem. A closed minded individual is trained to one particular way, and refuses to attempt anything else. Which category do the majority of Slashdot readers fall under?
When actual debates on which tools work, and which don't begin to take place, then maybe you'll be right. Until then it's just a reiteration of the old "Linux r00lz M$ dr00lz" chant.
Revenge against a company that makes software? Oh dear. Move over Hitler, there's a new villain making way.
*eyerolls*
Open Source. Closed Minds. We are Slashdot
I fail to see why the "best" part is that these mainframes run Linux? If they had been running a *BSD, Windows 2000, or something else, would that not be as great? Why is Linux the flavor in the soup that's touted over the other ingredients? Give me a freaking break already. Want to advertise Linux? Put up more banner ads. Want to report news? Do so with some semblence of journalistic integrity.
Yes, and perhaps someone will create a spell-checker for you Linux trolls.
Uh first off that's highly doubtful, Microsoft undoubtably has many license agreements with third party companies, and open sourcing all of Windows would be illegal and therefore impossible
As for "competent", get a clue. A bunch of incompetent coders have so far managed to whip the market share out of all the "competent" coding contestants. If you believe Microsoft engineers are the bumbling idiots you proclaim them to be, better guess again.
Open source. Closed minds. We are Slashdot