Yes of course, that must be it. Microsoft as always is standing over everyone's head holding a gun. How silly of me to believe that your product may actually be unappealing to the masses. So tell me, does Linus forbid VA from selling Windows 2000 based servers?
Maybe you should ask yourself why your operating system of choice isn't bundled with the laptop you want. It just might be because that's not what the majority of consumers want...
Find me a ferrari with a chevy engine while you're pondering that.
This is interesting, I was under the impression that PCs (x86 machines) were highly customizable in both hardware and software departments.
I can choose from a variety of thousands of pieces of hardware to build my PC out of.
I can disalow any form of remote logins. My privacy is as secure as I wish it to be.
I can install any of the dozen operating systems available on the x86 platform.
I had no idea Microsoft was denying me all of these options. I guess I was duped. Thanks for letting me know that I've been deluding myself all this time.
I'm amazed at how Linux has managed to "beat" Microsoft once again. Windows drivers for ATA/100 are already available. Several hardware sites have demonstrated these drives running and benchmarking accordingly.
In fact, what amazing new hardware technologies has Linux supported before Microsoft? It's more like the other way around. Microsoft is first to recieve support for new video cards, scsi cards, network cards, etc...etc...
Please don't spout more Anti-MS garbage, we get enough of this propoganda as it is. Correct the subject of this newsbit if you have journalistic integrity.
I'm generally a Microsoft supporter but this move makes no sense to me. Why cancel legit auctions? (I'd understand if these were cd-r copies of Microsoft products, but they appear legit?) It's dissapointing that Ebay took such a step and changed the feedback to neutral (Some were apparently even changed to positive) I'm disgusted by the actions of both companies.
Um..yay? We Windows users have enjoyed the ability to play mpeg movies for quite a while now. Playing an mpeg is hardly an amazing feat of technology. Why not post an article on Windows Media Player and the many formats it supports?
Likewise, one could make the claim that it's difficult to find laptops without windows simply because there is no demand for those. In other words, Windows is good for laptops, everything else is bad. I'm not sure what the state of power management/suspend is on Linux, but I can quite safely say that on my two laptops Windows 2000 kicks major ass.
A nice laptop with no OS installed, Windows 98 costs in the neighborhood of an additional eighty dollars, Redhat 6.1 is free. Good luck with your laptop purchase.
First off, there is a call for apple machines without MacOS. I for one would love a Powerbook running Windows 2000. The G3/4 processor while having horrible yields is quite good. Just because you don't see a purpose in having Macs without MacOS doesn't mean others don't. Obviously someone found the need for Linux, therefore LinuxPPC was created.
Apple "develops" the hardware in the same way Compaq, Packard Bell, or Dell do, the procesors are made by mottorolla, the video cards by ATI, the hard drives are standard issue, etc. They add miniscule changes that serve only to add a "Personalized touch"
And no, companies do not pay the "Microsoft Tax" if they don't carry Windows xxxx products. It's that simple. Once again, look at pricewatch.com Plenty of companies can be found who sell 1) just hardware 2) complete systems with no OS attached
Of course the bigger PC makers pay a tax if they carry other OS/software competing with Microsoft. Find a large grocery store that carries both Coke and Pepsi, I sure can't. If you want a discount then you have to bend over backwards, otherwise you pay the same price as everyone else. You scratch my back, I scratch your's, it's that simple.
"So, come clean, do you work for or are you affiliated in any way with Microsoft? "
I work for SGI, that's about as far away from Microsoft as it gets.
I'm a dickhead? Great, you've definately proved your maturity in my eyes.
The original poster claimed it's hard to purchase a notebook computer without windows. I clearly stated where that can be easily done. End of story.
Any Joe can start his own computer manufacturing company, look at VA linux. Look at Penguin computing, look at the thousands of online stores which sell systems without Windows. You have plenty of OS choices on the x86 platform. The MacOS is an integral part of an Apple computer because they _make it so_ It would be quite easy for Apple to ship systems with Linux or BeOS, they however choose not to. That's a monopoly, your choice is only MacOS, nothing else.
Actually it's pretty easy, simply head over to pricewatch.com and take a look around. While searching for a laptop I easily found several vendors who offered laptops without any OS (or hard drives for that matter) Now try buying a new Apple machine without MacOS. That's a monopoly.
Actually Bill's charity work extends as far back as 96. I guess he was sweating over Judge Jackson back then also?
Here, have a read http://www.gatesfoundation.org This should be interesting. After you're done with the 37 some pages of donations he has made, think back to all the good deeds Linux companies have done. What a villain Bill Gates is indeed.
"Taking a large group and assuming that everyone in that group has the same opinion"
Sure, why not? Does majority not in fact rule? Do my descriptions not fit the opinions of the common Linux user?
"Taking the most vocal members of a group to represent the entire group"
They're your apparent elected representatives. Look at the number of anti-MS stories on slashdot posted within a week's time. What kind of message is conveyed?
"Misspelling "hypocrisy" Well after 14 hours of college and work my eyes get a little tired and I start making typos. Sorry that this offended you.
"Also, it works in the general troll element of insinuating that Linux users are communists. "
First off, when did I insinuate that Linux users are communist? How would this be a troll even if I had?
"Plus, the part where you praise Microsoft because they're being nicer than... well, themselves in other situations... that's a completely new one. Caught me completely by surprise"
Nicer then themselves? Explain. I simply stated the good deeds Microsoft has done, could you please refresh my mind on the latest donations Redhat or other Open Source companies/figureheads have made?
Well if you remember correctly, no viable alternatives to Microsoft's software exist. Remember, Microsoft slaughtered all the competition? Linux doesn't exist? Star Office is a dream? That is what this trial is about right? Tough luck.
How amusing it is to watch hundreds of chanting Linux users wave their little flags and proclaim themselves superiors in the computing fields. "How great and noble our OS is" they proclaim. And yet, when Microsoft is brough up to the stand, they quickly hide their flags and claim their inability to compete with the software giant, the evil bully who helps colleges educate our children, the dictator CEO who donates money for minority kids to recieve an education.
I must say, the hypocrasy and self inflated ego of Linux advocates is astounding, never before have I witnessed such a mindless group.
Could you possibly more vague? What is it that microsoft has to do? Work on the best office suite? Best Web browser? Most popular operating system? Perhaps they should be focusing more on the X-box? Or Whistler?
Or should they be spearheading breakthrough innovations like bundling software made by someone else, and slapping a Redhat logo on it?
The findings of fact have nothing to do with this. Microsoft certainly has better things to do then create trojans and virii for it's users. This black helicopter mentality is simply foolish
So let me get this right, Microsoft directly e-mails the virus to you, then goes over to your computer and forcibly opens the attachment? Wow! In that case, can they come over and cook me dinner while they're at it? I'd like roast linux fool, medium rare.
I don't quite follow, why must they support Linux? Why not BeOS, FreeBSD, Solaris, QNX, Irix, MacOSX, and a million others while at it? Must a game be available on _every_ known platform in existance in order for us to gain your approval for playing it?
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Is there really a point to asking a Debian person anything? You already know their answer will be in the form of "apt-get"
Q: "So, what is your personal opinion on the stance Debian has taken toward KDE?"
A: "apt-get opinion"
Yes of course, that must be it. Microsoft as always is standing over everyone's head holding a gun. How silly of me to believe that your product may actually be unappealing to the masses. So tell me, does Linus forbid VA from selling Windows 2000 based servers?
Quite a few actually, check out pricewatch.com
Maybe you should ask yourself why your operating system of choice isn't bundled with the laptop you want. It just might be because that's not what the majority of consumers want...
Find me a ferrari with a chevy engine while you're pondering that.
This is interesting, I was under the impression that PCs (x86 machines) were highly customizable in both hardware and software departments.
I can choose from a variety of thousands of pieces of hardware to build my PC out of.
I can disalow any form of remote logins. My privacy is as secure as I wish it to be.
I can install any of the dozen operating systems available on the x86 platform.
I had no idea Microsoft was denying me all of these options. I guess I was duped. Thanks for letting me know that I've been deluding myself all this time.
Umm..you do realize that you "Win" nothing as Windows already has drivers for ATA/100 ?
I'm amazed at how Linux has managed to "beat" Microsoft once again. Windows drivers for ATA/100 are already available. Several hardware sites have demonstrated these drives running and benchmarking accordingly.
In fact, what amazing new hardware technologies has Linux supported before Microsoft? It's more like the other way around. Microsoft is first to recieve support for new video cards, scsi cards, network cards, etc...etc...
Please don't spout more Anti-MS garbage, we get enough of this propoganda as it is. Correct the subject of this newsbit if you have journalistic integrity.
I'm generally a Microsoft supporter but this move makes no sense to me. Why cancel legit auctions? (I'd understand if these were cd-r copies of Microsoft products, but they appear legit?) It's dissapointing that Ebay took such a step and changed the feedback to neutral (Some were apparently even changed to positive) I'm disgusted by the actions of both companies.
Off Microsoft.com probably
Um..yay? We Windows users have enjoyed the ability to play mpeg movies for quite a while now. Playing an mpeg is hardly an amazing feat of technology. Why not post an article on Windows Media Player and the many formats it supports?
Likewise, one could make the claim that it's difficult to find laptops without windows simply because there is no demand for those. In other words, Windows is good for laptops, everything else is bad. I'm not sure what the state of power management/suspend is on Linux, but I can quite safely say that on my two laptops Windows 2000 kicks major ass.
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I took a moment to go to pricewatch.com and typed lin "linux laptops" into the search box, checked out the first one
http://www.imperialdirect.com/BuildorderMenu.cf
A nice laptop with no OS installed, Windows 98 costs in the neighborhood of an additional eighty dollars, Redhat 6.1 is free. Good luck with your laptop purchase.
Well if you're having that much trouble, ask yourself "Why don't Linux computer companies (such as VA) carry Linux laptops?"
First off, there is a call for apple machines without MacOS. I for one would love a Powerbook running Windows 2000. The G3/4 processor while having horrible yields is quite good. Just because you don't see a purpose in having Macs without MacOS doesn't mean others don't. Obviously someone found the need for Linux, therefore LinuxPPC was created.
Apple "develops" the hardware in the same way Compaq, Packard Bell, or Dell do, the procesors are made by mottorolla, the video cards by ATI, the hard drives are standard issue, etc. They add miniscule changes that serve only to add a "Personalized touch"
And no, companies do not pay the "Microsoft Tax" if they don't carry Windows xxxx products. It's that simple. Once again, look at pricewatch.com Plenty of companies can be found who sell 1) just hardware 2) complete systems with no OS attached
Of course the bigger PC makers pay a tax if they carry other OS/software competing with Microsoft. Find a large grocery store that carries both Coke and Pepsi, I sure can't. If you want a discount then you have to bend over backwards, otherwise you pay the same price as everyone else. You scratch my back, I scratch your's, it's that simple.
"So, come clean, do you work for or are you affiliated in any way with Microsoft? "
I work for SGI, that's about as far away from Microsoft as it gets.
I'm a dickhead? Great, you've definately proved your maturity in my eyes.
The original poster claimed it's hard to purchase a notebook computer without windows. I clearly stated where that can be easily done. End of story.
Any Joe can start his own computer manufacturing company, look at VA linux. Look at Penguin computing, look at the thousands of online stores which sell systems without Windows. You have plenty of OS choices on the x86 platform. The MacOS is an integral part of an Apple computer because they _make it so_ It would be quite easy for Apple to ship systems with Linux or BeOS, they however choose not to. That's a monopoly, your choice is only MacOS, nothing else.
Um..exactly what do you know about the buggy Windows 2000 for Itanium? And the Linux releases?
I doubt benchmarks from sources other then Intel will be legally available. I for one had to go through a twenty page NDA debriefing
Actually it's pretty easy, simply head over to pricewatch.com and take a look around. While searching for a laptop I easily found several vendors who offered laptops without any OS (or hard drives for that matter) Now try buying a new Apple machine without MacOS. That's a monopoly.
Actually Bill's charity work extends as far back as 96. I guess he was sweating over Judge Jackson back then also?
Here, have a read http://www.gatesfoundation.org
This should be interesting. After you're done with the 37 some pages of donations he has made, think back to all the good deeds Linux companies have done. What a villain Bill Gates is indeed.
Well let's take a look
"Taking a large group and assuming that everyone in that group has the same opinion"
Sure, why not? Does majority not in fact rule? Do my descriptions not fit the opinions of the common Linux user?
"Taking the most vocal members of a group to represent the entire group"
They're your apparent elected representatives. Look at the number of anti-MS stories on slashdot posted within a week's time. What kind of message is conveyed?
"Misspelling "hypocrisy"
Well after 14 hours of college and work my eyes get a little tired and I start making typos. Sorry that this offended you.
"Also, it works in the general troll element of insinuating that Linux users are communists. "
First off, when did I insinuate that Linux users are communist? How would this be a troll even if I had?
"Plus, the part where you praise Microsoft because they're being nicer than... well, themselves in other situations... that's a completely new one. Caught me completely by surprise"
Nicer then themselves? Explain. I simply stated the good deeds Microsoft has done, could you please refresh my mind on the latest donations Redhat or other Open Source companies/figureheads have made?
Well if you remember correctly, no viable alternatives to Microsoft's software exist. Remember, Microsoft slaughtered all the competition? Linux doesn't exist? Star Office is a dream? That is what this trial is about right? Tough luck.
How amusing it is to watch hundreds of chanting Linux users wave their little flags and proclaim themselves superiors in the computing fields. "How great and noble our OS is" they proclaim. And yet, when Microsoft is brough up to the stand, they quickly hide their flags and claim their inability to compete with the software giant, the evil bully who helps colleges educate our children, the dictator CEO who donates money for minority kids to recieve an education.
I must say, the hypocrasy and self inflated ego of Linux advocates is astounding, never before have I witnessed such a mindless group.
Now there's a great solution, fascism through open source licensing. Keep up those great ideas.
Could you possibly more vague? What is it that microsoft has to do? Work on the best office suite? Best Web browser? Most popular operating system? Perhaps they should be focusing more on the X-box? Or Whistler?
Or should they be spearheading breakthrough innovations like bundling software made by someone else, and slapping a Redhat logo on it?
The findings of fact have nothing to do with this. Microsoft certainly has better things to do then create trojans and virii for it's users. This black helicopter mentality is simply foolish
So let me get this right, Microsoft directly e-mails the virus to you, then goes over to your computer and forcibly opens the attachment? Wow! In that case, can they come over and cook me dinner while they're at it? I'd like roast linux fool, medium rare.
I don't quite follow, why must they support Linux? Why not BeOS, FreeBSD, Solaris, QNX, Irix, MacOSX, and a million others while at it? Must a game be available on _every_ known platform in existance in order for us to gain your approval for playing it?