Yeah, I have seen coldfusion, it is that hideous. But hey, you can write all your code as valid xml... so it can be parsed or something. With namespace definitions it could be valid xhtml, if you wanted that for some reason. I, however, would use it for its true intended purpose: to torture junior programmers by forcing them to work with the page designers in their language.
The web hasn't standardised on PHP, there is an emacs mode for it, and you will probably come to hate it.
It has always seemed like the bash of web programming, except uglier and slightly more difficult to use. It works, but if you push it too hard or the wrong way it feels like you are trying to make a mud sculpture.
The problem with your argument is that vacuum cleaners and cds are sold as very different concepts. Vacuum cleaners are a product. A CD is a distrobution method for a service, much like the lines coming into my house provide power and water. I don't really care all that much HOW I get my power and water so long as the quality of those items is acceptable.
According to your argument I should not be allowed to bottle up tap water and take it with me in the car. I pay for cds only as a vehicle for distributing content. The content is what I paid for, not a stupid plastic disc, and if I want to use that in my car, my house, my mp3 player, and my laptop why should I not be able to?
MS would probably respond with a storm of FUD so bad you would think we were electing a new desktop, not buying one.
That said I can see the basis for an awesome add, kind of like the intel inside concept. Tell people that linux is in your routers, your tivo, your cell phone, google, everywhere. All the things you depend on to run and work without problems, without viruses. Why don't you use it?
Then I realize that I would have to support these people in their switch, and tell them why the online poker game that riddles their computer with spyware, but nevertheless they cannot resist installing again, no longer works. If I thought I could win that argument I would love to try it, but logic usually loses to stupidity.
Anyone I have ever talked to about this program hates it, especially non-technical office workers. I have yet to see an enterprise grade email client that does not absolutely suck, but outlook has slightly less of a bad taste than groupwise.
Any developer worth his/her salt can "adapt to new ideas"
Given the number of platforms, development environments, toolkits, and programming languages someone in their 30s+ has seen I would argue they might be better at adapting to new ideas. Every new programming whatchamahoozit is touted as a brand new paradigm, much less a new set of ideas, some even are.
My point is that experience is important, even if the tools you used for 3/4 of your career are dust now, all of the logical thinking, ability to adapt to a new environment, soft skills, and a host of other things are still very much applicable.
I wonder if having realised this at 24 is helpful in any way, it really just seems kind of depressing now with a hope for something better in the future.
The problem with estimating things that way is that it assumes other smart people have not discarded it because another smart person probably thought of it. If you think of something for which you find no competition, but it seems relatively reasonable, you should at least be able to win on marketing.
Entering into an existing, money making market is an awesome strategy if you are smarter at the things that will help you make money. Computer science especially is littered with stories of better designs/products that failed. To make money in an existing market you need to convince people your product is better, which to me seems like equal parts good marketing and having just enough features to not make people leave.
IBM? Reduce complexity? Did you really just say that?
Sure, they have made working with their hardware and systems much easier by switching tracks into being a consulting company. If it not available you cannot have problems with it.
How's about that for usability, you don't even have to press W to delete a letter, just control. Bet it makes writing anything constructive in emacs kind of difficult though.
Since this is a group effort I am expecting at least a little more out of the community. That aside I have trouble remembering the birthdays of people I know, that I was even this close to the correct number is an accomplishment.
Welcome to sharing your toys with the world. Hopefully you can understand that not everyone is clued in, and that the people at mozilla or at least smart enough to know that not everyone needs a digital drool cloth.
Yeah, but that would require you to ohmygod it has more than two sentances AND configuration options hurry up and click 'ok' before it hurts my brain!!!1
Actually it takes all of the useful things you could have done with javascript and streamed data, forgets about those, but keeps all of the negative aspects of it.
What would make it cool? Search within search. If I was able to filter my search results in real time just by adding keywords and find what I want that way it would be awesome. The lookup has already been done, this is just querying an already-made dataset.
Other cool ideas for it? Let me resize the search results and start another search, or at least look at different kinds of searches (web, news, feed, etc) in multiple result windows. Beyond that you could open up an iframe and let me preview sites in that. If it was done from the cache then most of the "jump out of frames" tricks could be used to keep the previewed site from breaking the page. I could probably keep going, but all this site really does is take normal search, remove tons of usability by smothering it in javascript, then give you dorky JS hacks to make up for that.
It should not be too hard to label the ports according to what is on them. D123-P2: Phone line. D123-N2: Network line. As far as figuring out which ones get which label, you may be able to go on pin-outs, but that means unscrewing the plate, I would just plug a phone up to it and check for tone. That you could trust to your tech lackey.
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Yeah, I have seen coldfusion, it is that hideous. But hey, you can write all your code as valid xml... so it can be parsed or something. With namespace definitions it could be valid xhtml, if you wanted that for some reason. I, however, would use it for its true intended purpose: to torture junior programmers by forcing them to work with the page designers in their language.
It has always seemed like the bash of web programming, except uglier and slightly more difficult to use. It works, but if you push it too hard or the wrong way it feels like you are trying to make a mud sculpture.
There, fixed that type for you.
According to your argument I should not be allowed to bottle up tap water and take it with me in the car. I pay for cds only as a vehicle for distributing content. The content is what I paid for, not a stupid plastic disc, and if I want to use that in my car, my house, my mp3 player, and my laptop why should I not be able to?
That said I can see the basis for an awesome add, kind of like the intel inside concept. Tell people that linux is in your routers, your tivo, your cell phone, google, everywhere. All the things you depend on to run and work without problems, without viruses. Why don't you use it?
Then I realize that I would have to support these people in their switch, and tell them why the online poker game that riddles their computer with spyware, but nevertheless they cannot resist installing again, no longer works. If I thought I could win that argument I would love to try it, but logic usually loses to stupidity.
My money would be on RMS. If nothing else history has proven time and again that fanatacism > money when you have to fight over something.
Anyone I have ever talked to about this program hates it, especially non-technical office workers. I have yet to see an enterprise grade email client that does not absolutely suck, but outlook has slightly less of a bad taste than groupwise.
Given the number of platforms, development environments, toolkits, and programming languages someone in their 30s+ has seen I would argue they might be better at adapting to new ideas. Every new programming whatchamahoozit is touted as a brand new paradigm, much less a new set of ideas, some even are.
My point is that experience is important, even if the tools you used for 3/4 of your career are dust now, all of the logical thinking, ability to adapt to a new environment, soft skills, and a host of other things are still very much applicable.
I wonder if having realised this at 24 is helpful in any way, it really just seems kind of depressing now with a hope for something better in the future.
Entering into an existing, money making market is an awesome strategy if you are smarter at the things that will help you make money. Computer science especially is littered with stories of better designs/products that failed. To make money in an existing market you need to convince people your product is better, which to me seems like equal parts good marketing and having just enough features to not make people leave.
Nope, those are half-halflings.
What, you want me to watch that little bastard myself?
I think I'll wait for the U.S. release.
Sure, they have made working with their hardware and systems much easier by switching tracks into being a consulting company. If it not available you cannot have problems with it.
Or you could just google it.
How's about that for usability, you don't even have to press W to delete a letter, just control. Bet it makes writing anything constructive in emacs kind of difficult though.
Since this is a group effort I am expecting at least a little more out of the community. That aside I have trouble remembering the birthdays of people I know, that I was even this close to the correct number is an accomplishment.
Then again, maybe we should concentrate more on getting back to the point of OSS.
Welcome to sharing your toys with the world. Hopefully you can understand that not everyone is clued in, and that the people at mozilla or at least smart enough to know that not everyone needs a digital drool cloth.
Yeah, but that would require you to ohmygod it has more than two sentances AND configuration options hurry up and click 'ok' before it hurts my brain!!!1
Who said we only had one?
What would make it cool? Search within search. If I was able to filter my search results in real time just by adding keywords and find what I want that way it would be awesome. The lookup has already been done, this is just querying an already-made dataset.
Other cool ideas for it? Let me resize the search results and start another search, or at least look at different kinds of searches (web, news, feed, etc) in multiple result windows. Beyond that you could open up an iframe and let me preview sites in that. If it was done from the cache then most of the "jump out of frames" tricks could be used to keep the previewed site from breaking the page. I could probably keep going, but all this site really does is take normal search, remove tons of usability by smothering it in javascript, then give you dorky JS hacks to make up for that.
It should not be too hard to label the ports according to what is on them. D123-P2: Phone line. D123-N2: Network line. As far as figuring out which ones get which label, you may be able to go on pin-outs, but that means unscrewing the plate, I would just plug a phone up to it and check for tone. That you could trust to your tech lackey.
I would say the best way to secure it is to induce TCF but then again it really is not worth much after that.
That isn't fair. We're supposed to be comparing office suites with office suites, not operating systems.
Let me know when you figure out how to take out a tank and down a bomber with a rifle you purchased from wal-mart.