Boy, when it comes to this debate, lots of perfectly reasonable slashdotters turn into religious zealots. I don't understand. Why can't God be part of a hypothesis? Especially when we've personally experienced him? What we are all looking for is a theory that fits everything. Evolution doesn't fit everything. ID might. It's worth a look, Without the raillery.
What happens to a evolutionary scientist who has a God experience? He has to reform his theory based on new evidence. His new connection with righteousness, (God) demands honesty in a way that nothing has before. He makes public his difficulties with the scientific establishment's views, and voila, he is expelled. Whether or not the movie covers that, that is how the story has repeatedly gone.
Come on people! Cut the crap and ask God if he exists. And if so, to prove it within some time frame. That at least is a falsifiable experiment. The only requirement on your part is that you actually mean it. If he doesn't come through, you're off the hook. If he does, then you may need to alter your theory to accommodate the new evidence.
Yup. it's a matter of having all the available data. Christians have actually contacted and been contacted by God. Are we going to embrace some theory that negates that? not too likely. You can rail all you want about how evolution is more scientific, but it's a clash of mythologies not of science. And your origin myth doesn't line up with our experience.
Shh... Don't let the evolutionist sanctum know I theorized anything against their precious theory.
It looks like he retracted it with no other reason that it conflicted with evolution. What kind of science is that!!!!? This is rule by dogma, folks.
C.S. Lewis once said that the intelligentsia seem to be unable to disbelieve what they read. The common man is much more prone to it because he's used to being lied to. This fellow is obviously of the second group and so am I.
Ridiculous. This is a religious debate. To say that it's education is on one side or another is a mere ad hominem against the other side. Beliefs about the past are by nature religious beliefs. Interpretation of facts comes from worldview. you can't get away from that. If my worldview includes a Deity and yours doesn't can't we get along without you calling me stupid (uneducated)? Have you ever seriously tried to contact this Deity, No? well then you have nothing to say to those who have tried and believe they've succeeded.
What you seem to want is that a single interpretation of the facts be shoved down everyone's throat.
Other possibilities exist. The human race might have unconscious senses which detect the presence of the supernatural. Mine are less unconscious. I do detect his presence. Why is that a problem? Why always start with the assumption that there is no God?
Alright! Is there any way we can boycott this offensive organization, this thing that RMS calls a government supported conspiracy? Please Please Please?
OK. This is really stupid. Why does slashdot champion a religion as if it's co-equal with open-source, copyright and patent reform, etc. (i.e. issues that we actually care about.) It may come as a shock to some people but bundling religion (atheism) with our slashdot experience, is the same as Microsoft forcing manufacturers to bundle their obscene products with otherwise useful computers. We should all start to submit posts on issues of science and our religions. Only the atheists should get through, because they're more scientific? Nonsense and bloody nonsense. I've seen this before in the ridicule that is heaped on any variation of "God created the world." I don't blame slashdot for that even though it's unfair. You obviously aren't privy to some data that I am. You haven't experienced God. I have. I have to believe in creation. I don't know how he did it but I know he did. So I can understand the evolution equals science thing even though I disagree.
But atheism? Let's turn this into a religions blog, shall we? Everybody post their religions and lets have a crusade, holy war, any other negative term you want and trash this once useful and informative blog. On the other hand, let's not and please don't feature atheism as a "nerd" issue. It's just not. Nerds are a religiously plural group, so either treat all religious issues with sensitivity or avoid religion altogether and that includes atheism.
Lots of North Americans would be able to communicate with Indian phone support better than I... those of Indian descent. I'm very sorry if this last post sounded racist. Most of North Americans are of immigrant descent. I don't want to imply that those of European descent have more right than those of Indian or Asian. And I don't devalue the technological acheivements of Indians. I just wanted to say I found the experience less than ideal. (not to mention that slashdot isn't read all around the world either, making my post, as if to north americans only, even stupider)
"Since the early 1990's, when the Indian economy was liberalized, India has emerged as the world leader in information technology and business outsourcing, with an average growth of about 6 percent a year."
Has any slashdot reader actually had a good experience with outsourced indian customer support? Not me. After having to deal with one manufacturer this way, I make a point of saying thank you every time I dial a support number that doesn't end me up in India. I am not putting Indians down. I just think that the cultural differences are too great for them to handling support (even in English) for North Americans. My experience was very frustrating.
Belief in God as the creator of the world is a perfectly reasonable, valid view. If you want theists to credit the opposite view as reasonable and valid, don't engage in putdowns. Many of us have personal experience to back up our beliefs. You can't invalidate that with just your say-so. Just a request, can slashdot please just be about technical issues and not this "at every opportunity" diatribe against belief in God? I mean anyone would think that some people find it threatening, what other people believe...
Should be "Why would you leave people at Bill's mercy?"
After years of supporting Windows I know what a time bomb it is. It's going to blow some time. The user's not going to know why, but it will have to do with some stupid vulnerability Microsoft has built into the system. It's all about 'trust-able computing' and we've never had it from Redmond.
Admit it. It's just as valid to interpret the available evidence for one side or the other. The issue is not is there evolution or not. The issue is, do you want there to be God or not.
If you need a universe without God you need evolution to be the underpinnings of your paradigm. You are offended at anyone saying otherwise and you use every argument, criticism, mockery, political pressure, etc. to shut out any other paradigm.
If you need a universe with God (and in respect to him, having experienced him, I have to say I do!) you want to put forward, and see put forward a different interpretation of the facts.
In my considered opinion, Evolution was manufactured with a view to supporting a God-less universe, a truly mythical idea, and it pains me to think of people who won't enjoy what I enjoy, because of publicly supported paradigm (read "state religion") which is imposed on them from on high. If some people have been able to have a real voice as to what is played, good on them!! The offense that is expressed by people that don't like it, merely identifies them as members of another religion defending their own religious turf. Go ahead, be offended. It's your right. It's the same right that's being exercised by these people that you mock as 'fundies.'
when win2000 came out I thought cool, I could authenticate everything against an 'free' product, even active directory. "sorry... we at ms believe in interoperability with only ourselves... who else is there?"
I still remember using Russ's packet drivers and trumpet to get DOS/win31 tcp/ip working. A most excellent kludge in a kludgy time of PC history! Also, good ole' ka9q/nos and many other apps used them. You kept us bandaided up until linux. Good Luck with the new post.
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Yeah!
Shaw interferes with SIP so they can flog their own 'digital phone.' When is that excrement going to hit the fan...?
Boy, when it comes to this debate, lots of perfectly reasonable slashdotters turn into religious zealots. I don't understand. Why can't God be part of a hypothesis? Especially when we've personally experienced him? What we are all looking for is a theory that fits everything. Evolution doesn't fit everything. ID might. It's worth a look, Without the raillery.
What happens to a evolutionary scientist who has a God experience? He has to reform his theory based on new evidence. His new connection with righteousness, (God) demands honesty in a way that nothing has before. He makes public his difficulties with the scientific establishment's views, and voila, he is expelled. Whether or not the movie covers that, that is how the story has repeatedly gone.
Come on people! Cut the crap and ask God if he exists. And if so, to prove it within some time frame. That at least is a falsifiable experiment. The only requirement on your part is that you actually mean it. If he doesn't come through, you're off the hook. If he does, then you may need to alter your theory to accommodate the new evidence.
to create such a lame villain...?
Yup. it's a matter of having all the available data. Christians have actually contacted and been contacted by God. Are we going to embrace some theory that negates that? not too likely. You can rail all you want about how evolution is more scientific, but it's a clash of mythologies not of science. And your origin myth doesn't line up with our experience.
Shh... Don't let the evolutionist sanctum know I theorized anything against their precious theory. It looks like he retracted it with no other reason that it conflicted with evolution. What kind of science is that!!!!? This is rule by dogma, folks.
apparently they own their typos, too...
I love the ridiculous conclusion of the article. Yeah. let's lump together all the ideas that we might disagree with and call them all pseudo-science!
Instantly frozen in a historical world wide catastrophe aka the flood!
C.S. Lewis once said that the intelligentsia seem to be unable to disbelieve what they read. The common man is much more prone to it because he's used to being lied to. This fellow is obviously of the second group and so am I.
I guess they figured that the "God is dead" campaign was such a massive success... same old same old... If wishes were wings, we'd be flying, Bill.
Yes and the customers, too.
Ridiculous. This is a religious debate. To say that it's education is on one side or another is a mere ad hominem against the other side. Beliefs about the past are by nature religious beliefs. Interpretation of facts comes from worldview. you can't get away from that. If my worldview includes a Deity and yours doesn't can't we get along without you calling me stupid (uneducated)? Have you ever seriously tried to contact this Deity, No? well then you have nothing to say to those who have tried and believe they've succeeded. What you seem to want is that a single interpretation of the facts be shoved down everyone's throat.
Other possibilities exist. The human race might have unconscious senses which detect the presence of the supernatural. Mine are less unconscious. I do detect his presence. Why is that a problem? Why always start with the assumption that there is no God?
Alright! Is there any way we can boycott this offensive organization, this thing that RMS calls a government supported conspiracy? Please Please Please?
snort, chuckle yuck yuck...
OK. This is really stupid. Why does slashdot champion a religion as if it's co-equal with open-source, copyright and patent reform, etc. (i.e. issues that we actually care about.) It may come as a shock to some people but bundling religion (atheism) with our slashdot experience, is the same as Microsoft forcing manufacturers to bundle their obscene products with otherwise useful computers. We should all start to submit posts on issues of science and our religions. Only the atheists should get through, because they're more scientific? Nonsense and bloody nonsense. I've seen this before in the ridicule that is heaped on any variation of "God created the world." I don't blame slashdot for that even though it's unfair. You obviously aren't privy to some data that I am. You haven't experienced God. I have. I have to believe in creation. I don't know how he did it but I know he did. So I can understand the evolution equals science thing even though I disagree. But atheism? Let's turn this into a religions blog, shall we? Everybody post their religions and lets have a crusade, holy war, any other negative term you want and trash this once useful and informative blog. On the other hand, let's not and please don't feature atheism as a "nerd" issue. It's just not. Nerds are a religiously plural group, so either treat all religious issues with sensitivity or avoid religion altogether and that includes atheism.
Wheels within wheels, code within code. How much more intricate can it get?
Foot-in-mouth-itis alert.
Lots of North Americans would be able to communicate with Indian phone support better than I... those of Indian descent. I'm very sorry if this last post sounded racist. Most of North Americans are of immigrant descent. I don't want to imply that those of European descent have more right than those of Indian or Asian. And I don't devalue the technological acheivements of Indians. I just wanted to say I found the experience less than ideal. (not to mention that slashdot isn't read all around the world either, making my post, as if to north americans only, even stupider)
"Since the early 1990's, when the Indian economy was liberalized, India has emerged as the world leader in information technology and business outsourcing, with an average growth of about 6 percent a year." Has any slashdot reader actually had a good experience with outsourced indian customer support? Not me. After having to deal with one manufacturer this way, I make a point of saying thank you every time I dial a support number that doesn't end me up in India. I am not putting Indians down. I just think that the cultural differences are too great for them to handling support (even in English) for North Americans. My experience was very frustrating.
Belief in God as the creator of the world is a perfectly reasonable, valid view. If you want theists to credit the opposite view as reasonable and valid, don't engage in putdowns. Many of us have personal experience to back up our beliefs. You can't invalidate that with just your say-so. Just a request, can slashdot please just be about technical issues and not this "at every opportunity" diatribe against belief in God? I mean anyone would think that some people find it threatening, what other people believe...
Should be "Why would you leave people at Bill's mercy?" After years of supporting Windows I know what a time bomb it is. It's going to blow some time. The user's not going to know why, but it will have to do with some stupid vulnerability Microsoft has built into the system. It's all about 'trust-able computing' and we've never had it from Redmond.
If you need a universe without God you need evolution to be the underpinnings of your paradigm. You are offended at anyone saying otherwise and you use every argument, criticism, mockery, political pressure, etc. to shut out any other paradigm.
If you need a universe with God (and in respect to him, having experienced him, I have to say I do!) you want to put forward, and see put forward a different interpretation of the facts.
In my considered opinion, Evolution was manufactured with a view to supporting a God-less universe, a truly mythical idea, and it pains me to think of people who won't enjoy what I enjoy, because of publicly supported paradigm (read "state religion") which is imposed on them from on high. If some people have been able to have a real voice as to what is played, good on them!! The offense that is expressed by people that don't like it, merely identifies them as members of another religion defending their own religious turf. Go ahead, be offended. It's your right. It's the same right that's being exercised by these people that you mock as 'fundies.'
when win2000 came out I thought cool, I could authenticate everything against an 'free' product, even active directory. "sorry... we at ms believe in interoperability with only ourselves... who else is there?"
I still remember using Russ's packet drivers and trumpet to get DOS/win31 tcp/ip working. A most excellent kludge in a kludgy time of PC history! Also, good ole' ka9q/nos and many other apps used them. You kept us bandaided up until linux. Good Luck with the new post.