Even Wizardry had cheat modes. There was a particular squence of actions that would make evil ninja's very wealthy allowing you to traing them to a high level.
I hope I'm remembering this correctly, its been a very, very long time.
Perhaps willfully ignorant would be a better term, they don't know and they don't want to know, they just want their computer to work.
The way to get past that is education. Make it a point to teach people how this stuff works (even for windows). Then you can explain to them the difference between windows and linux.
I had a discussion with one of the users I support yesterday about why IT people limit the information they give the users. It's true, even when we try to give the users enough information, we sometimes don't do an adaquate job of it. But you just have to keep trying.
Soon my ISP's going to charge me money for content on sites I don't visit, just wonderful.
Wonder what my bill's going to be $50, $100 a month? (and thats for dialup)
Well perhaps the content portion of my ISP payment will become the largest portion of what I have to pay, then the cost of a cable modem will become a moot point.
You're right about what other companies do, it can be as bad or worse than Microsoft. The difference, I work in IT.
In my current job Microsoft is a Client OS, and ranks 3rd as an OS for the servers I administer. I get to use other OSes, that I feel are more suited and/or better than Microsofts (including some Linux). I really like this job. In previous jobs I have run into quirks with Microsoft tools and Operating systems that made me want to pull my hair out. Oh and don't even get me started on licensing.
What I'm saying is, I like my career and my current job using Unix and Linux. Don't get me wrong, I know plenty about all the flavors of Windows. I just prefer to work with flavors of Unix. From that perspective I am very concerned on a personal level about Microsoft's dominance in the PC industry and their bad practices. Frankly I much perfereed IBM's monopoly to Microsoft's.
It's mainly on a personal level that I want Microsoft reigned in and playing fair. To be honest though, the trend appears to be that all OSes are moving more toward the Unix/Linux paradigm (even windows 2000, it let me run a process as admin today ala suid, I couldn't believe it.) I hope linux keeps up the pressure.
It's sad really. In a previous post I saw someone refer to napster at its height to "the history of recorded music on-line".
How long before the record companies will offer up something similar as a pay service?
Never, you say?
That's too bad, because that's what the consumers really want. But I guess the consumer is not the record companies concern. (I leave it to a reply to talk about the poor quality of music these days;-) ).
So, you're a degreed scientist in Chemistry. Well I think that makes you qualified to look at some aspects of this, but you're far from an expert on climate. Maybe if you had degrees in Meterology, Astrophysics, Chemistry, Geology, and Archeology you could speak desisively about this. As is I grant that you can evaluate scientific data, but there IS data out there that does disagree.
My inclusion of Archeology and Geology in the above list of sciences to study this problem is no accident. I believe we need to know trends over long terms and see where we are on those trends. Nobody is bothering to look at this, you yourself state that current climate change is way greater than in the early 20th century. That would be akin to you telling me by looking outside for one second in the morning exactly what the wheather will be like in the evening (with no other data to help you).
There needs to be much more study on this, and much less political knashing of teeth. Determining science by poll scares the hell out of me.
BTW: Morris is a nice little town. I lived there for a couple of years in the mid eighties. But I don't know why the credentials of the college (Nice little campus there too) have any bearing on your opinions. I'm sure it would be possible to find other Chemistry majors from there that would disagree with you.
Oh, and Algore would have been better? Give me a break.
I could come up with a list of thing I wouldn't have liked from a Gore administration, and I'd be just as upset as you are about Bush.
The neat thing is that neither your party or mine really gives a damn about us. All they really care about is taking more freedom from us and making the government more powerful, only from different directions and in different areas. But, its all bad.
You should try the new ones. The 980's are very cool and realy fast. 80MB ram, 100Mb ethernet, very cool. They blow our older x-terminals (we have about 150 total at work) out of the water.
Oh, and they can work with Linux too, but ours connect to HP-UX machines (but they run apps off of linux servers).
If by configure you mean rebuild after every e-mail attachment virus attact, ok then.
Oh and before you flame me, I wouldn't know about correctly configuring an Exchange Server to not be succeptable to these attacks, as I don't have one.
But I do know I didn't have to rebuild my Lotus Notes servers after any of these attacks, and I still can let my users read attachments (I know there's software to scan attachments too, you don't really have to turn it off).
Their desire for lower wages is understandable, but when the tech. economy turns around these bosses will still have to pay the rates they are currently paying or they won't have the talent.
C'mon their rates for Network operations staff is less than most people make flipping burgers, what you get when you do that are talentless hacks who should be flipping burgers. Oh and when you pay the higher technical people low wages, you get unmotivated employees who don't know enough to do their job.
Sure they may be able to find people at these rates, but those people WILL NOT be able to do the job, and the business will suffer losses that will make the excess salaries look tiny.
Uh-huh. I hear ya. It may surprise some people, but there are actually good jobs out here in the midwest, and I'm not talking big city midwest either, I'm talking South Dakota.
You will not make as much as the big city, but It's only six blocks to work. Plus you're right about the power thing, and all the other cost of living stuff, plus the air is clean.
Maybe these people should broaden their search for new jobs, but It goes without saying that there are fewer jobs out here, but they can be found.
Please mod the above post up. I checked their site and came to the same conclusion. I bet that why their software didn't sell for Linux is that it was all based on stuff you could to _without_ buying their software.
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It was thought by some that setting off the first atom bomb would ignite the atmosphere and kill everyone. Same kind of annilation predictions for when supercolliders have come online.
Umm, only problem is that Mozilla can't yet deal with the java applets I need to run in order for our webmail application to work. So no, upgrading is not an option right now. And no IE doesn't work right either.
Yep, I guess I should upgrade because it makes your life as a content provider easier? Sure, ok. My point is there may be no reason to do this.
If I have an old car that works, I don't throw it out just because its old. Netscape 4.X works well for many people. But as you say, they should be forced to upgrade. Why? When you manage hundreds of PC's upgrading is a fairly nasty task that causes a lot of disruption. If your tech. support measures service levels, a mass upgrade throws a real wrench in the works. The upgrade treadmill, brought to you by closed-source vendors like MS is what sometimes makes IT a hellish place to work (I know for you its different browsers looking at your content).
Theres no real need to be on the upgrade treadmill anymore (thats what's changing MS's liscencing scheme). You can upgrade when you want and how you want. I'll upgrade all the PC's from Netscape 4.X to Mozilla when I want and how I want.
Even if AOL continues to use IE as its browser, which may not happen as MS want the terms to be that AOL will never file suit against MS ever again, it can still set netscape.com to be the homepage.
this isnt the 50's where you can support a family on one wage anymore
I can!
I am sick and tired of this "I can't do it, therefore no one can crap." Some of us can raise a family on one income. Some of us also don't have SUV's, huge homes, etc.
You may well be able to live with less, you just may not want to. It is a choice, it may not be and easy one, but it is a choice and you can choose differently from me. But don't tell me its impossible for anyone, because thats not true.
Anyone on the far Right or far Left tends to think this way. The far Right (I'm a conservative, but I'm not a religious zealot.) thinks that all "bad" language is evil, and everyone should be sheilded from it. The far Left thinks that it's the government's job to control what you see, hear, & say.
... and that's the scary part, its coming at us from both sides. With each side's remedies eroding our freedom. It's past time to get some Libertarians in Washington.
At my facility we get 1/4 new machines every year and filter old machines down from power users to less power users and or new needs. This concept would cramp our style very badly and cost us a lot of money.
Oh well, my boss is still shaking his head in disblief at the price/performance capabilities of our 1 Linux Applications server. This will only give me more ammunition for cost savings in the future. Oh, and we have a site liscense (from MS) too, but you know if they get your software to turn off in 3 years instead of 5, you'll want, err have to pay more.
Boy are you off base. The Peter principle came out of the late 70's and early 80's as a method of finding and promoting rank and file workers up into management. It has nothing at all to do with sexism. The basic jist of the "Peter" principle, is a manager says "Hey, Peter, your pretty good at this do you want to be a (insert next position up here)." Peter says yes and gets promoted based on his/her talent, like one would want. The old downside to the Peter Principle was that skills for supervising and actaully doing the work are different, and that Peter would be promoted beyond his competence to do the higher level job/jobs.
In contrast Scott Adam's book the Dilbert Principle details the actual Dilbert Princlple as a replacement for the Peter Principle where companies promote the least able employees up to management where they conceivably do the least amount of damage, hence PHB's.
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Even Wizardry had cheat modes. There was a particular squence of actions that would make evil ninja's very wealthy allowing you to traing them to a high level.
I hope I'm remembering this correctly, its been a very, very long time.
Damn, used all my mod points already.
Absolutely hillarious post!! Dead on too.
Perhaps willfully ignorant would be a better term, they don't know and they don't want to know, they just want their computer to work.
The way to get past that is education. Make it a point to teach people how this stuff works (even for windows). Then you can explain to them the difference between windows and linux.
I had a discussion with one of the users I support yesterday about why IT people limit the information they give the users. It's true, even when we try to give the users enough information, we sometimes don't do an adaquate job of it. But you just have to keep trying.
Soon my ISP's going to charge me money for content on sites I don't visit, just wonderful.
Wonder what my bill's going to be $50, $100 a month? (and thats for dialup)
Well perhaps the content portion of my ISP payment will become the largest portion of what I have to pay, then the cost of a cable modem will become a moot point.
You're right about what other companies do, it can be as bad or worse than Microsoft. The difference, I work in IT.
In my current job Microsoft is a Client OS, and ranks 3rd as an OS for the servers I administer. I get to use other OSes, that I feel are more suited and/or better than Microsofts (including some Linux). I really like this job. In previous jobs I have run into quirks with Microsoft tools and Operating systems that made me want to pull my hair out. Oh and don't even get me started on licensing.
What I'm saying is, I like my career and my current job using Unix and Linux. Don't get me wrong, I know plenty about all the flavors of Windows. I just prefer to work with flavors of Unix. From that perspective I am very concerned on a personal level about Microsoft's dominance in the PC industry and their bad practices. Frankly I much perfereed IBM's monopoly to Microsoft's.
It's mainly on a personal level that I want Microsoft reigned in and playing fair. To be honest though, the trend appears to be that all OSes are moving more toward the Unix/Linux paradigm (even windows 2000, it let me run a process as admin today ala suid, I couldn't believe it.) I hope linux keeps up the pressure.
How long before the record companies will offer up something similar as a pay service?
Never, you say?
That's too bad, because that's what the consumers really want. But I guess the consumer is not the record companies concern. (I leave it to a reply to talk about the poor quality of music these days ;-) ).
So, you're a degreed scientist in Chemistry. Well I think that makes you qualified to look at some aspects of this, but you're far from an expert on climate. Maybe if you had degrees in Meterology, Astrophysics, Chemistry, Geology, and Archeology you could speak desisively about this. As is I grant that you can evaluate scientific data, but there IS data out there that does disagree.
My inclusion of Archeology and Geology in the above list of sciences to study this problem is no accident. I believe we need to know trends over long terms and see where we are on those trends. Nobody is bothering to look at this, you yourself state that current climate change is way greater than in the early 20th century. That would be akin to you telling me by looking outside for one second in the morning exactly what the wheather will be like in the evening (with no other data to help you).
There needs to be much more study on this, and much less political knashing of teeth. Determining science by poll scares the hell out of me.
BTW: Morris is a nice little town. I lived there for a couple of years in the mid eighties. But I don't know why the credentials of the college (Nice little campus there too) have any bearing on your opinions. I'm sure it would be possible to find other Chemistry majors from there that would disagree with you.
No, that would be like the bank robber robbing more bank's while he's out on bail.
Oh, and Algore would have been better? Give me a break.
I could come up with a list of thing I wouldn't have liked from a Gore administration, and I'd be just as upset as you are about Bush.
The neat thing is that neither your party or mine really gives a damn about us. All they really care about is taking more freedom from us and making the government more powerful, only from different directions and in different areas. But, its all bad.
You should try the new ones. The 980's are very cool and realy fast. 80MB ram, 100Mb ethernet, very cool. They blow our older x-terminals (we have about 150 total at work) out of the water.
Oh, and they can work with Linux too, but ours connect to HP-UX machines (but they run apps off of linux servers).
How well does audiogalaxy's Linux client work. I have had problems getting it to work in the past.
Do they have one you can take all of the limbs off of? The Black Knight wasn't it (sorry I haven't watch the Holy Grain in years).
If by configure you mean rebuild after every e-mail attachment virus attact, ok then.
Oh and before you flame me, I wouldn't know about correctly configuring an Exchange Server to not be succeptable to these attacks, as I don't have one.
But I do know I didn't have to rebuild my Lotus Notes servers after any of these attacks, and I still can let my users read attachments (I know there's software to scan attachments too, you don't really have to turn it off).
Oh and I don't even like Lotus Notes that much.
Their desire for lower wages is understandable, but when the tech. economy turns around these bosses will still have to pay the rates they are currently paying or they won't have the talent.
C'mon their rates for Network operations staff is less than most people make flipping burgers, what you get when you do that are talentless hacks who should be flipping burgers. Oh and when you pay the higher technical people low wages, you get unmotivated employees who don't know enough to do their job.
Sure they may be able to find people at these rates, but those people WILL NOT be able to do the job, and the business will suffer losses that will make the excess salaries look tiny.
Uh-huh. I hear ya. It may surprise some people, but there are actually good jobs out here in the midwest, and I'm not talking big city midwest either, I'm talking South Dakota.
You will not make as much as the big city, but It's only six blocks to work. Plus you're right about the power thing, and all the other cost of living stuff, plus the air is clean.
Maybe these people should broaden their search for new jobs, but It goes without saying that there are fewer jobs out here, but they can be found.
This is actually the only real solution. Static linking solves the problem, nothing else does.
Thats it end of story.
The previous post should have a few more mod points.
Please mod the above post up. I checked their site and came to the same conclusion. I bet that why their software didn't sell for Linux is that it was all based on stuff you could to _without_ buying their software.
It was thought by some that setting off the first atom bomb would ignite the atmosphere and kill everyone. Same kind of annilation predictions for when supercolliders have come online.
Umm, only problem is that Mozilla can't yet deal with the java applets I need to run in order for our webmail application to work. So no, upgrading is not an option right now. And no IE doesn't work right either.
Yep, I guess I should upgrade because it makes your life as a content provider easier? Sure, ok. My point is there may be no reason to do this.
If I have an old car that works, I don't throw it out just because its old. Netscape 4.X works well for many people. But as you say, they should be forced to upgrade. Why? When you manage hundreds of PC's upgrading is a fairly nasty task that causes a lot of disruption. If your tech. support measures service levels, a mass upgrade throws a real wrench in the works. The upgrade treadmill, brought to you by closed-source vendors like MS is what sometimes makes IT a hellish place to work (I know for you its different browsers looking at your content).
Theres no real need to be on the upgrade treadmill anymore (thats what's changing MS's liscencing scheme). You can upgrade when you want and how you want. I'll upgrade all the PC's from Netscape 4.X to Mozilla when I want and how I want.
Even if AOL continues to use IE as its browser, which may not happen as MS want the terms to be that AOL will never file suit against MS ever again, it can still set netscape.com to be the homepage.
I can!
I am sick and tired of this "I can't do it, therefore no one can crap." Some of us can raise a family on one income. Some of us also don't have SUV's, huge homes, etc.
You may well be able to live with less, you just may not want to. It is a choice, it may not be and easy one, but it is a choice and you can choose differently from me. But don't tell me its impossible for anyone, because thats not true.
Anyone on the far Right or far Left tends to think this way. The far Right (I'm a conservative, but I'm not a religious zealot.) thinks that all "bad" language is evil, and everyone should be sheilded from it. The far Left thinks that it's the government's job to control what you see, hear, & say.
... and that's the scary part, its coming at us from both sides. With each side's remedies eroding our freedom. It's past time to get some Libertarians in Washington.
At my facility we get 1/4 new machines every year and filter old machines down from power users to less power users and or new needs. This concept would cramp our style very badly and cost us a lot of money.
Oh well, my boss is still shaking his head in disblief at the price/performance capabilities of our 1 Linux Applications server. This will only give me more ammunition for cost savings in the future. Oh, and we have a site liscense (from MS) too, but you know if they get your software to turn off in 3 years instead of 5, you'll want, err have to pay more.
Boy are you off base. The Peter principle came out of the late 70's and early 80's as a method of finding and promoting rank and file workers up into management. It has nothing at all to do with sexism. The basic jist of the "Peter" principle, is a manager says "Hey, Peter, your pretty good at this do you want to be a (insert next position up here)." Peter says yes and gets promoted based on his/her talent, like one would want. The old downside to the Peter Principle was that skills for supervising and actaully doing the work are different, and that Peter would be promoted beyond his competence to do the higher level job/jobs.
In contrast Scott Adam's book the Dilbert Principle details the actual Dilbert Princlple as a replacement for the Peter Principle where companies promote the least able employees up to management where they conceivably do the least amount of damage, hence PHB's.