The point being that 'honesty' doesn't apply here. There is such a thing as an honest thief.
The problem is that you all want to discuss this while ignoring the law, which means the term "illegal" no longer applies. This really only leaves you with "moral" and "amoral" - which, unfortunately, are terms relative to the speaker and are not suitable for a discussion that actually means anything. Trying to use them as such only gets people riled up... just like what we just witnessed.
The foundry switch I was screwing around with today... wasn't letting the IP Engineer send all the vlans to the mirror port. I could only watch management traffic (STP, etc) and nothing of any actual use.
It was great! Finally I got pissed off and shoved a homemade passive tap on the uplink and was -then- able to see the issue.
Hmm. People seem to get an address from one of two subnets, randomly. I wonder what the problem could be!?
That, and people seem to be afraid of firing up the o'le packet sniffer... it would have been REALLY clear (immediatly) what the problem is, should someone do that.
If you don't have (or don't know how to make) a passive tap, GTFO.
Nah, those guys just lease dedicated servers until they get an abuse takedown, then move on (or bitch and whine to squeeze that server for all it's worth)
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It's so irritating when you ask for a hub, and someone hands you a switch. Stores do the same thing. It's hard enough to find hubs, let alone find them when the categorization lumps them together.
No, I said hub. I don't want switching. I want bits coming in one port to come back out of all the others.
You can do that with a switch, but getting a switch that can do that is a bit more pricey than a real hub...
I pay $30/m for Comcast Cable. Burst speeds do reach up to 1mb/s on occasion - real throughput seems to live around 300k/s to 600k/s.
Connection speed shouldn't make too much of a difference unless you have something like dialup, slow DSL, or a poor vsat link. Even then, those would be content downloads hanging it up, not text. Hopefully.
I don't know about you, but the only time a page doesn't load instantly is when it has large content waiting for data to come down through my Internet "Service" "Provider" or chew on some Javascript. I've never seen HTML take long at all, unless it's a 200k+ behemoth.
Which is why, on all for walls in one of our halon-protected DCs, there's a big red mushroom switch that aborts the system.
You'd think that would be the EPO, but that's actually a small button with a glass molly guard (and big steel hammer chained to it) that's next to it. Unexpected, but it seems the right way to go about it:)
Which tank is dead doesn't matter, his question is focused on where the heat the tanks are combating/comes/ from. Is it solar radiation warming it, or the device itself (ie, electrical waste heat or something).
It's a real shame you didn't even think the post through before you fired off a snippy reply.
Also, "It's not really a source of offending heat that's the issue so much as a lack of proper cooling." - this doesn't even make sense. Read it again - if offending heat isn't an issue, then why is proper cooling even required?
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Work it.
Honesty has nothing to do with obeying laws or respecting the ideas of property.
1. the quality or fact of being honest; uprightness and fairness.
2. truthfulness, sincerity, or frankness.
3. freedom from deceit or fraud.
There are a few other definitions that don't matter (botany, etc) but my point is:
Stealing something has nothing to do with honesty, unless you trick your way into the position to take it (or cover for it).
Honesty just isn't the word you all are wanting.
Oh god... You've made my day with those links...
Whereas I would much rather being raped over murdered...
The point being that 'honesty' doesn't apply here. There is such a thing as an honest thief.
The problem is that you all want to discuss this while ignoring the law, which means the term "illegal" no longer applies. This really only leaves you with "moral" and "amoral" - which, unfortunately, are terms relative to the speaker and are not suitable for a discussion that actually means anything. Trying to use them as such only gets people riled up... just like what we just witnessed.
By your moral system. Not everyone shares that.
I sit between the two of you. If the wrong was big enough, I'm then justified in my wrong.
Congratulations! You are beginning to see that the world is not black and white, and not everyone subscribes to the same moral system as you!
I didn't mention I had to make the tap on the spot. Meh.
Debian was my first. I keep coming back... can't seem to get away :)
... until the 1-on-1 training expires, and then YOU get to do it.
Ick... in that case, this doesn't sound like fun.
Still, a packet sniffer would solve the mystery in seconds. People really should stop being afraid of them.
I was talking bytes. Sorry for the confusion.
I can (on occasion) pull down a solid megabyte/second, though the common rate seems to be half that.
I can upload about 1/4 of those numbers.
Well.
The foundry switch I was screwing around with today... wasn't letting the IP Engineer send all the vlans to the mirror port. I could only watch management traffic (STP, etc) and nothing of any actual use.
It was great! Finally I got pissed off and shoved a homemade passive tap on the uplink and was -then- able to see the issue.
A hub would have made this a 5 minute job.
Hmm, if only someone could invent some kind of cover to prevent accidental use...
I think a compounding issue is that the facilities guy (or higher up) is a cheapass.
Hmm. People seem to get an address from one of two subnets, randomly. I wonder what the problem could be!?
That, and people seem to be afraid of firing up the o'le packet sniffer... it would have been REALLY clear (immediatly) what the problem is, should someone do that.
If you don't have (or don't know how to make) a passive tap, GTFO.
Nah, those guys just lease dedicated servers until they get an abuse takedown, then move on (or bitch and whine to squeeze that server for all it's worth)
It's so irritating when you ask for a hub, and someone hands you a switch. Stores do the same thing. It's hard enough to find hubs, let alone find them when the categorization lumps them together.
No, I said hub. I don't want switching. I want bits coming in one port to come back out of all the others.
You can do that with a switch, but getting a switch that can do that is a bit more pricey than a real hub...
Oh. And the summary text is, verbatim, the first part of the article. Wow, Timothy... this was just bad.
The summary reads like a digg post, and has two different links that, in actuality, link to the exact same thing.
This needs some fixin'.
Yea, as soon as I can corner the facilities guy who'd know.
Some companies seem to think such things should be secret :/
I pay $30/m for Comcast Cable. Burst speeds do reach up to 1mb/s on occasion - real throughput seems to live around 300k/s to 600k/s.
Connection speed shouldn't make too much of a difference unless you have something like dialup, slow DSL, or a poor vsat link. Even then, those would be content downloads hanging it up, not text. Hopefully.
I don't know about you, but the only time a page doesn't load instantly is when it has large content waiting for data to come down through my Internet "Service" "Provider" or chew on some Javascript. I've never seen HTML take long at all, unless it's a 200k+ behemoth.
You need to getting laid.
Which is why, on all for walls in one of our halon-protected DCs, there's a big red mushroom switch that aborts the system.
You'd think that would be the EPO, but that's actually a small button with a glass molly guard (and big steel hammer chained to it) that's next to it. Unexpected, but it seems the right way to go about it :)
Which tank is dead doesn't matter, his question is focused on where the heat the tanks are combating /comes/ from. Is it solar radiation warming it, or the device itself (ie, electrical waste heat or something).
It's a real shame you didn't even think the post through before you fired off a snippy reply.
Also, "It's not really a source of offending heat that's the issue so much as a lack of proper cooling." - this doesn't even make sense. Read it again - if offending heat isn't an issue, then why is proper cooling even required?