If I say "I'm going to to A, B, and C" for this next release, and don't implement D, I've failed. At least thats by your words above. No, it means I did exactly what I was intending to do. Just because it's not what YOU wanted, doesn't mean it wasn't a success.
As far as your gripe about Plasma... well, it's new jackass! New software has bugs. If people reported them right and provided useful data, instead of just knee-jerk repairing the damage, it would get fixed.
These people have done a hell of a lot of work, and have a hell of a lot left to do. They may not be going about it the way you (or most of us) expect, but they are doing it with the intent to make a usable, extendable system with an eye for future progress/innovation - not for "Quick! Let's make this window wiggle fancy-like when you touch it, because it's COOL!" reasons.
It looks like failure, like a mistake, like spin... but in 2 or 3 years, however long it takes, you realize they probably made the right decisions. The path they are choosing is the less traveled, more difficult, probably better one. We won't know till they finish, but my gut says they chose the right one.
I'm not saying KDE 4.0 was or was not a mistake. I think the NAME of it was a mistake. You don't call a first-release of a complete rewrite something like that.
I was unaware of 8.04.1, so I'll give you that (and I agree that that is a serious mistake).
I was also unaware that Ubuntu made releases outside of the Month.Day scheme?
My quip about "If you don't like it, deinstall it" was under the impression that this was not a default package set - my apologies.
Fedora 9 is also a testing-grounds distro for RHEL, not a general-purpose desktop distro like Ubuntu is intended - Fedora is for a completely different audience.
Because this is 3.11 for embedded uses... not for desktop/server use. Completely different arena.
As far as all your customizations go - for embedded use, it's expected for this to happen, but not by use of third-party tools necessarily. mspaint.exe is simply not needed in a controller unit for industrial machinery.
When I have to fire up something akin to regedit (gconf) to change something that I feel should be a standard configurable option, and then have to repeat this function for nearly every piece of Gnome software I touch, I see a problem. Of course that "problem" is derived from my opinion, so yea.
So we'll get embedded vista or whatever comes down the line next. Even better! The companies that use Microsoft have already drunk the coolaid, and will not recover.
This is not the default. You specifically have to go installing the metapackages or download a specific ISO. It's not like they are throwing it all down your throat...
If you don't like it, deinstall it and stick to KDE3 (or gnome, xfce, whatever).
KDE4 is still in development, so yes it is incomplete.
That withstanding, I would say it is a fair assessment. Although I like XFCE more for its small footprint than lack-of-features (simple without being, er, simplified). But to be honest, KDE is my favorite and KDE4 is looking to be very nice (for me) once it's 'done'.
You can't opensource abandonware that has other companies IP in it, or active patents. You could opensource the other components, but... it's abandonware! For some reason or another, they are no longer working with the code (and filtering the code may be impractical or impossible).
We should all pick someone to write-in... how about Gates?
The man knows how to lead, i mean do look at how big MS got... and he would only have 4 (MAYBE 8) years, so we wouldn't get to the XP/Vista bloat-years...
And thereby reinforce the wrong notion that you are buying XP over Linux. At least from the vendor's point of view.
If you do that, make sure you fight to get a refund for the windows license, whether or not you succeed - at least that way they know you bought it for the hardware.
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Those are jobs they can have. You don't want one of those jobs.
<insert game> sucks compared to <insert game>.
I might say the same about WoW.
the Linux kernel contains non-free and unattributable code
Kernel version, filenames, and line numbers please - this stuff needs to be cleaned out on detection.
What the hell?
If I say "I'm going to to A, B, and C" for this next release, and don't implement D, I've failed. At least thats by your words above. No, it means I did exactly what I was intending to do. Just because it's not what YOU wanted, doesn't mean it wasn't a success.
As far as your gripe about Plasma... well, it's new jackass! New software has bugs. If people reported them right and provided useful data, instead of just knee-jerk repairing the damage, it would get fixed.
These people have done a hell of a lot of work, and have a hell of a lot left to do. They may not be going about it the way you (or most of us) expect, but they are doing it with the intent to make a usable, extendable system with an eye for future progress/innovation - not for "Quick! Let's make this window wiggle fancy-like when you touch it, because it's COOL!" reasons.
It looks like failure, like a mistake, like spin... but in 2 or 3 years, however long it takes, you realize they probably made the right decisions. The path they are choosing is the less traveled, more difficult, probably better one. We won't know till they finish, but my gut says they chose the right one.
Wake up and have a little perspective.
This... I can't say. I think the versioning scheme the KDE team chose for this was not... appropriate.
I'm not saying KDE 4.0 was or was not a mistake. I think the NAME of it was a mistake. You don't call a first-release of a complete rewrite something like that.
I was unaware of 8.04.1, so I'll give you that (and I agree that that is a serious mistake).
I was also unaware that Ubuntu made releases outside of the Month.Day scheme?
My quip about "If you don't like it, deinstall it" was under the impression that this was not a default package set - my apologies.
Fedora 9 is also a testing-grounds distro for RHEL, not a general-purpose desktop distro like Ubuntu is intended - Fedora is for a completely different audience.
Because this is 3.11 for embedded uses... not for desktop/server use. Completely different arena.
As far as all your customizations go - for embedded use, it's expected for this to happen, but not by use of third-party tools necessarily. mspaint.exe is simply not needed in a controller unit for industrial machinery.
No, fuck the spammer. Either respect the RFC, or come up with a solution with at least as much attention as the RFCs were given.
Or, give up and come up with a proper solution from the start, and let traditional email rot.
When I have to fire up something akin to regedit (gconf) to change something that I feel should be a standard configurable option, and then have to repeat this function for nearly every piece of Gnome software I touch, I see a problem. Of course that "problem" is derived from my opinion, so yea.
So we'll get embedded vista or whatever comes down the line next. Even better! The companies that use Microsoft have already drunk the coolaid, and will not recover.
It violates RFCs and causes problems like we are reading about now. It needs to stop.
that a release of a major distribution
This is not the default. You specifically have to go installing the metapackages or download a specific ISO. It's not like they are throwing it all down your throat...
If you don't like it, deinstall it and stick to KDE3 (or gnome, xfce, whatever).
KDE4 is still in development, so yes it is incomplete.
That withstanding, I would say it is a fair assessment. Although I like XFCE more for its small footprint than lack-of-features (simple without being, er, simplified). But to be honest, KDE is my favorite and KDE4 is looking to be very nice (for me) once it's 'done'.
Sure, if you only take that one piece of the sentence. You for got the "as it is simplified" part. And I agree with the over-simplified sentiment.
The parent was being sarcastic it appears...
Baseless. Ubuntu will give you Gnome, and Kubuntu gives you KDE3.5.
If you CHOOSE to download the KDE4 'edition' of Kubuntu, or install the relevant metapackages (you have to try, it won't be an accident) you get KDE4.
KDE4 is NOT ready for general-use, contrary to the 'release' statement. It should be considered beta or pre-release quality.
You could, you know, wait for them to finish KDE4. Nobody held a gun to your head and forbade you from using 3.5 did they?
Parent is a statement about vandalism, this isn't a troll post. Read the last line and engage your brain for a few seconds.
First came the Netscape suite. Then came Mozilla. Then came Firefox, and Seamonkey proceeded from Mozilla shortly after.
You can't opensource abandonware that has other companies IP in it, or active patents. You could opensource the other components, but... it's abandonware! For some reason or another, they are no longer working with the code (and filtering the code may be impractical or impossible).
He is just as useless as Bush.
Is that even possible?
We should all pick someone to write-in... how about Gates?
The man knows how to lead, i mean do look at how big MS got... and he would only have 4 (MAYBE 8) years, so we wouldn't get to the XP/Vista bloat-years...
And thereby reinforce the wrong notion that you are buying XP over Linux. At least from the vendor's point of view.
If you do that, make sure you fight to get a refund for the windows license, whether or not you succeed - at least that way they know you bought it for the hardware.
Yea, your right. OK, let me get back to playing Crysis on my EEEPC. Oh wait...