I was just throwing down some ad hominem to your response:) I doubt anyone's going to be affected by GTA one way or the other, unless they really have something else going wrong mentally.
As said, there needs to be acknowledgement of separation between virtual and real.
Not only as mentioned that there is no Jury, but also:
Remember that Novell already got money from MS for their interop deal. Wonder what happens if Novell can now chase after MS and sue them due to the interop deal if something pops up as a result of this trial? Novell has a lot to go after in this case, especially if they force SCO to liquidate and/or take control of SCO.
Huge, enormously huge win for Novell on this case. Not to mention for Linux in general.
This is not Toyota and ford. This is like comparing Unix to Linux, which they are not the same. Get it right. Or perhaps this is similar to comparing two unrelated objects to eachother in an abstract fashion. You can stretch things only so far.
I'm in Illinois and I really want to know where this magic legislation is, because I've never heard anything about it either. If you find anything please email me at slashdot.9.antispam1@spamgourmet.com or kick me a blog comment on it.
Just as a humorous reference, this is what I got in the mail from creative:
SUMMARY EMAIL NOTICE
To: (I'm not putting my email like that on slashdot)
From: Settlement Claim Administrator
Subject: Notice of Creative Hard Disc Drive MP3 Player Class Action and Proposed Settlement
SUMMARY EMAIL NOTICE
If you purchased in the United States between May 5, 2001 and April 30, 2008 from a retail store in the United States (including Creative's and others' on-line retail stores) a new Creative brand hard disc drive MP3 player ("Creative HDD MP3 Player"), a proposed class action settlement may affect you. A hearing has been scheduled in United States District Court, Central District of California to approve the settlement. Under the settlement, you may have the right to make a claim for a discounted MP3 player or a discount certificate. You also may choose to exclude yourself from the settlement. Alternatively, you may file written objections to the settlement or seek to intervene and appear (or have your own attorney appear) at the court hearing. If the settlement is approved and you do not exclude yourself, you give up the right to sue for the claims the settlement resolves, and you will be bound by the terms of the settlement. To learn more about or exercise any of your rights, please read below and visit www.creativehddmp3settlement.com.
The lawsuit is Talwar v. Creative Labs, Inc., United States District Court, Central District of California, Case No. CV 05 3375 FMC. In the suit, plaintiffs allege that in the sale and marketing of its hard disc drive MP3 players Creative stated that purchasers of the drives would receive approximately 7% more usable storage capacity than they actually received and misrepresented the number of songs and number of hours of music the players could hold. Creative has denied and continues to deny each and all of plaintiffs' claims, and denies that anyone has been harmed or deserves compensation. The Court has not made a decision on the merits.
You are a member of the plaintiff class if you purchased in the United States between May 5, 2001 and April 30, 2008 from a retail store in the United States (including Creative's and others' on-line retail stores) a new Creative brand hard disc drive MP3 player.
As part of the settlement, Creative will make certain disclosures regarding the storage capacity of its hard disc drive MP3 players.
In addition, if you submit a valid claim, you will receive either a 50% discount off the price of a new 1 GB MP3 player, or a discount certificate good for 20% off the price of any single item purchased at www.us.creative.com. To receive the discount player or discount certificate you must submit a claim form available at www.creativehddmp3settlement.com by August 7, 2008. You may submit a claim for each Creative HDD MP3 Player you purchased.
If the settlement is approved, plaintiffs' counsel will apply for an award of attorneys' fees and expenses not to exceed $900,000, plus incentive awards for the two representative plaintiffs in the amount of $5,000 each, to be paid separately from and in addition to the relief available to plaintiff class members.
All claims of plaintiff class members which were or could have been asserted in the litigation, based upon the facts alleged in the litigation will be released. This means that if you do not exclude yourself from the plaintiff class, you will give up the right to sue for the claims the settlement resolves, and you will be bound by the terms of the settlement.
You need not take any action. If you wish to exclude yourself from the plaintiff class, you must submit an exclusion request to plaintiffs' counsel: Brian R. Strange/Gretchen Carpenter, Strange & Carpenter, 12100 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 1900, Los Angeles, CA 90025. If you exclude yourself, you will not receive the benefits of the settlement, and you cannot object to the settlement or intervene.
If you wish to object to the settlement, intervene or appear (or have
I agree, and in fact plan to do so with Gran Turismo or maybe a F1 game ? I figure that should be one of the more realistic games that doesn't cost thousands of dollars, no?:)
Just because you sound like you work for MADD, good sir, doesn't mean you should be posting on slashdot:) Also you clearly didn't read the last line, which is one of many successful solutions.
I know that's a low blow, but trying to act like GTA advocates or doesn't advocate in any form drinking and driving is just completely off base and stupid. If you try to associate something like the negative consequences, then you forgot the fact that a video game and reality are not the same.
Don't try to blame a video game for what is not the decision based off of, or encouraged by, a video game. There's a difference between real training sims and calling any video game a simulation by proxy of the fact that video games are even remotely realistic. That is like assuming movie physics are true and blaming things a result of that not being the case, in and of which they most assuredly aren't. Otherwise, I'd like to learn where you should concur that the laws of gravity don't apply in the same unrealistic sense of old cartoons.
There is truly a wealth of information as well as wealth of information on what plan to get, and things like that...good search functionality and a website that is mobile-phone friendly (of course).
Example: I pay a total of 36$/month including tax, and have unlimited phonecalls and internet use with a ton of text messages that I don't use, via a blackberry plan on the E61i (which I don't use anything blackberry), which I am cancelling the service on the other phone for....a plan I found via their forums specifically.
On a humorous note, wouldn't being able to practice drunk droving possibly enable people to remotely compensate slightly better if they are driving drunk?
Just like flight training via sims, although probably not as accurate except for the "just call a taxi, moron" part
Yep, I imagine there are companies that need each corresponding level and it must pay off to no end if it is a smart decision for said company.
Additionally, the value of having techs who are inexperienced with Ubuntu who are essentially learning via talking with paid support on a big business is probably priceless for future support and training as well.
a: you can have the systems without the support (aka support it yourself), and b: selling support is infinitely greater than charging for the distro. People always need support. People don't always need more copies of the distro. Distro free also = no piracy.
I seem to recall that there are companies out there that have techs who know how to handle their own Ubuntu servers, no?
What really makes me wonder is that since it's open source, and people know what landscape is designed to do, why doesn't someone else start working on a GPL'd software that does the same as landscape?
This is why claiming it means anything remotely having to do with open source or not, is just plain stupid. As much as I love open source, not every program in existence must be open source.
Please clarify to me which of the people of the agenda you find as "against RIAA". The french? I'd say obviously not on that one.
I think there are a few: geist, and the google guy.
However, for my sake, for my stupidities/understanding's sake, and everyone else, can you clarify whom and why you consider not being supportive of riaa other than the few mentioned above?
Hey, don't be so pissed. The poster you replied to has a point: they have gone further and further from coming up with unique albums and more towards pop rock.....their whole point in coming around in 83 was as rebellion, a change from what was expected, to be unique, and all that.
It'd be kinda like ozzy remixing a britney spears song.
If you wish to dig deeper about it, look up how many songs they made that are their own and not stolen lyrics from older songs, and you'll see that they started out unique and now don't use hardly anything of their own lyrics.
So I would say yes, the actual real value as a musician for them has, definitely gone downhill. Not that they can't just sell a flaming turd they poop out for a ton of money nowadays (as they can easily with the reputation they've built), but that doesn't mean they're good.
successful doesn't mean good. Look at Microsoft. They've been stupidly successful up until recently, but did that mean they have a good product/have great programmers??
However, why would it not be fairly accurate to see that "x ISP is doing a significantly larger than normal amount of resets" = they might have something going on with their resets?
Additionally, its not like comcast or any other ISP wants us to see said data or would let us, so where else can it go?
I suggest you try not to assume all vuze facts are incorrect. I happen to be in an area where the reset rate was 50-75%, and to ensure accuracy I did nothing more than download a torrent via azureus and then seed it.
No other sources that use internet access were used at all, so I suspect that you try not to find magic ways to deny traffic.
Why was vuze accurate? because it only watched traffic coming in off azureus. You don't need more details than that, so yes, it can prove anything about whats going on.
If you watch the reset logs (as I did while vuze was running) you'd notice the generic packet resets inserted by comcast would not have the right(brainfart, forgot the term here), umm, packet number/order in the reset....you'd be trying to connect and then suddenly reset reset reset after an exact amount of time that was consistent every time (and way less than the TCP timeout).
I found that between wireshark and azureus ther ewas about a 2% variance in which program thought I had higher reset rates, but to give you an idea it was around 50-82% reset rates, which less than 1% were legitimate.
In dells case it is exactly like my own, but the reverse of. Their products are made of so much crap (and yet overpriced), and so adding in free support just makes things worse. Adding in crappy cheap support individuals makes it even worse. If they were charging people for what they were getting, their prices would be rock bottom and the truth of how much POS dell is would be brought forward more quickly...vocal crowd due to higher customer base, although people already hate dells.
Instead, if they gave up some of their profit to have real quality products at the same price that worked together well, they'd be able to make more money overall but less per customer....but they'd have things that wouldn't spontaneously break or be made of crap or not do what people are hoping to do with it.
However, many of my customers are not good enough with computers to google their problems, to my dismay (even though I have tried to teach them time and time again). It's like them: "my internet's not working" me: "disconnect and reconnect the cable modem" them:"I can't, it's permanently connected" (cue facepalm when I tell them its another cable and they tell me its not).
Also, free support? good grief, people would call you at the drop of a hat if things go wrong, for things that don't even warrant support time. This is another reason to charge for support, imo.
If you make magically "works flawless" software, you're still going to have to do support.
Really, support has more business than the product itself. Not everyone buys the product. But everyone who buys it, is going to need support. With that said, why not make the product free, and charge reasonable (or exorbitant at times) support? I don't know anyone that refuses outright "free" vs pay on anything, if the resulting options are the same. It's like hmm, do you want to pay for a 50" TV, or do you want it free? Support calls are not free? You know something is going to go bad some day, but at least now you know the company relies on making their product work well in order to keep business....thus an incentive to have great support.
Also, letting people modify things themselves to fit their own purposes creates new demand for the existing project (non software example: hey, so and so did a cool mod to his car - lets get one of those and do that too)
Seems like simple logic to me. I do this with my own business, and it works wonders. I make 0 profit off the computers I sell to my customers (sold at cost), but I charge them considerably for support. However, I sell them the best products on the market that I can get them....and yet I have so much demand I can't even keep up.
It's not that expensive and has a bit of games on the free side as well - gameamp is basically a glorified emulator but has some stuff up to the playstation 2 era (god of war, legacy of kain, some other stuff) and some PC games.
The few times I've seen a different scenario is where they have an option of listening to an audio version of whatever word they produce in the captcha.
In the defense of many, I've seen some captcha's so distorted that I can't even make out the damn words/letters within it. I welcome a new method like this, but I'm suspecting that it will eventually be beaten as well.
I agree about your personal opinion, I care about the vertical height as well. However, the issue is that 2 24" screens are supposed to be exactly comparable. It's misleading to the consumer to think that a 24" widescreen and a 24" standard are the same size, which you and I know they are not.
Additionally, it's misleading that now the 24" wide is priced at the price point of the 24" standard, enabling monitor/tv makers to magically create a margin of price that never existed.
This is like paying the price of a 29" for a 24", in your comparison.
As I have pointed out many times, the truth is that indeed the reason is cost cutting. 24" wide vs 24" normal, which is more expensive? Normal, of course. Yet the wide is now a "feature", so it's been marked up and the normal discontinued.
Thus, lower quality product at higher price. Go on, keep telling yourself that it looks nicer to have less pixels, with say 1280x1024 vs 1440x900. Whups!
The truth is, manufacturers and retailers have come to a standard agreement (this is not the first time), that they will sell everything widescreen as a "Feature" for money because standard size was starting to get too competitive/too marked down. Panasonic has been doing this for the last 12+ years, as a standard procedure for example.
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I was just throwing down some ad hominem to your response :) I doubt anyone's going to be affected by GTA one way or the other, unless they really have something else going wrong mentally.
As said, there needs to be acknowledgement of separation between virtual and real.
Not only as mentioned that there is no Jury, but also:
Remember that Novell already got money from MS for their interop deal. Wonder what happens if Novell can now chase after MS and sue them due to the interop deal if something pops up as a result of this trial? Novell has a lot to go after in this case, especially if they force SCO to liquidate and/or take control of SCO.
Huge, enormously huge win for Novell on this case. Not to mention for Linux in general.
This is not Toyota and ford. This is like comparing Unix to Linux, which they are not the same. Get it right. Or perhaps this is similar to comparing two unrelated objects to eachother in an abstract fashion. You can stretch things only so far.
Yep SM,
I'm in Illinois and I really want to know where this magic legislation is, because I've never heard anything about it either. If you find anything please email me at slashdot.9.antispam1@spamgourmet.com or kick me a blog comment on it.
Just as a humorous reference, this is what I got in the mail from creative:
SUMMARY EMAIL NOTICE
To: (I'm not putting my email like that on slashdot)
From: Settlement Claim Administrator
Subject: Notice of Creative Hard Disc Drive MP3 Player Class Action and Proposed Settlement
SUMMARY EMAIL NOTICE
If you purchased in the United States between May 5, 2001 and April 30, 2008 from a retail store in the United States (including Creative's and others' on-line retail stores) a new Creative brand hard disc drive MP3 player ("Creative HDD MP3 Player"), a proposed class action settlement may affect you. A hearing has been scheduled in United States District Court, Central District of California to approve the settlement. Under the settlement, you may have the right to make a claim for a discounted MP3 player or a discount certificate. You also may choose to exclude yourself from the settlement. Alternatively, you may file written objections to the settlement or seek to intervene and appear (or have your own attorney appear) at the court hearing. If the settlement is approved and you do not exclude yourself, you give up the right to sue for the claims the settlement resolves, and you will be bound by the terms of the settlement. To learn more about or exercise any of your rights, please read below and visit www.creativehddmp3settlement.com.
The lawsuit is Talwar v. Creative Labs, Inc., United States District Court, Central District of California, Case No. CV 05 3375 FMC. In the suit, plaintiffs allege that in the sale and marketing of its hard disc drive MP3 players Creative stated that purchasers of the drives would receive approximately 7% more usable storage capacity than they actually received and misrepresented the number of songs and number of hours of music the players could hold. Creative has denied and continues to deny each and all of plaintiffs' claims, and denies that anyone has been harmed or deserves compensation. The Court has not made a decision on the merits.
You are a member of the plaintiff class if you purchased in the United States between May 5, 2001 and April 30, 2008 from a retail store in the United States (including Creative's and others' on-line retail stores) a new Creative brand hard disc drive MP3 player.
As part of the settlement, Creative will make certain disclosures regarding the storage capacity of its hard disc drive MP3 players.
In addition, if you submit a valid claim, you will receive either a 50% discount off the price of a new 1 GB MP3 player, or a discount certificate good for 20% off the price of any single item purchased at www.us.creative.com. To receive the discount player or discount certificate you must submit a claim form available at www.creativehddmp3settlement.com by August 7, 2008. You may submit a claim for each Creative HDD MP3 Player you purchased.
If the settlement is approved, plaintiffs' counsel will apply for an award of attorneys' fees and expenses not to exceed $900,000, plus incentive awards for the two representative plaintiffs in the amount of $5,000 each, to be paid separately from and in addition to the relief available to plaintiff class members.
All claims of plaintiff class members which were or could have been asserted in the litigation, based upon the facts alleged in the litigation will be released. This means that if you do not exclude yourself from the plaintiff class, you will give up the right to sue for the claims the settlement resolves, and you will be bound by the terms of the settlement.
You need not take any action. If you wish to exclude yourself from the plaintiff class, you must submit an exclusion request to plaintiffs' counsel: Brian R. Strange/Gretchen Carpenter, Strange & Carpenter, 12100 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 1900, Los Angeles, CA 90025. If you exclude yourself, you will not receive the benefits of the settlement, and you cannot object to the settlement or intervene.
If you wish to object to the settlement, intervene or appear (or have
All I know is I'm buying the PC version when it comes out, getting my character drunk, and taking a shot every time he kills a hooker/cop. :D
so yes, MADD never fails to entertain
I agree, and in fact plan to do so with Gran Turismo or maybe a F1 game ? I figure that should be one of the more realistic games that doesn't cost thousands of dollars, no? :)
Just because you sound like you work for MADD, good sir, doesn't mean you should be posting on slashdot :) Also you clearly didn't read the last line, which is one of many successful solutions.
I know that's a low blow, but trying to act like GTA advocates or doesn't advocate in any form drinking and driving is just completely off base and stupid. If you try to associate something like the negative consequences, then you forgot the fact that a video game and reality are not the same.
Don't try to blame a video game for what is not the decision based off of, or encouraged by, a video game. There's a difference between real training sims and calling any video game a simulation by proxy of the fact that video games are even remotely realistic. That is like assuming movie physics are true and blaming things a result of that not being the case, in and of which they most assuredly aren't. Otherwise, I'd like to learn where you should concur that the laws of gravity don't apply in the same unrealistic sense of old cartoons.
There is truly a wealth of information as well as wealth of information on what plan to get, and things like that...good search functionality and a website that is mobile-phone friendly (of course).
Example: I pay a total of 36$/month including tax, and have unlimited phonecalls and internet use with a ton of text messages that I don't use, via a blackberry plan on the E61i (which I don't use anything blackberry), which I am cancelling the service on the other phone for....a plan I found via their forums specifically.
On a humorous note, wouldn't being able to practice drunk droving possibly enable people to remotely compensate slightly better if they are driving drunk?
Just like flight training via sims, although probably not as accurate except for the "just call a taxi, moron" part
Researching your phone is very easy
go to howardforums.com and scour their forums for info regarding either the brand of phone or by service provider.
Not only that, but they show you how to unlock most phones that come locked by default from the cellphone service providers.
Why pay for downloading cameraphone images (as crappy as they are anyway), when you can do it for free?
I use a nokia E61i and a motorola K1m krzr, neither are exactly obtuse phones to find.
Yep, I imagine there are companies that need each corresponding level and it must pay off to no end if it is a smart decision for said company.
Additionally, the value of having techs who are inexperienced with Ubuntu who are essentially learning via talking with paid support on a big business is probably priceless for future support and training as well.
I respectfully disagree
a: you can have the systems without the support (aka support it yourself), and
b: selling support is infinitely greater than charging for the distro. People always need support. People don't always need more copies of the distro. Distro free also = no piracy.
I seem to recall that there are companies out there that have techs who know how to handle their own Ubuntu servers, no?
What really makes me wonder is that since it's open source, and people know what landscape is designed to do, why doesn't someone else start working on a GPL'd software that does the same as landscape?
This is why claiming it means anything remotely having to do with open source or not, is just plain stupid. As much as I love open source, not every program in existence must be open source.
Umm, no.
.deb from the "download Adobe" link, and done. No terminal needed.
On Gutsy and Heron you just run the
Beyond that, I agree about the apple and MS thing.
Please clarify to me which of the people of the agenda you find as "against RIAA". The french? I'd say obviously not on that one.
I think there are a few: geist, and the google guy.
However, for my sake, for my stupidities/understanding's sake, and everyone else, can you clarify whom and why you consider not being supportive of riaa other than the few mentioned above?
Hey, don't be so pissed. The poster you replied to has a point: they have gone further and further from coming up with unique albums and more towards pop rock.....their whole point in coming around in 83 was as rebellion, a change from what was expected, to be unique, and all that.
It'd be kinda like ozzy remixing a britney spears song.
If you wish to dig deeper about it, look up how many songs they made that are their own and not stolen lyrics from older songs, and you'll see that they started out unique and now don't use hardly anything of their own lyrics.
So I would say yes, the actual real value as a musician for them has, definitely gone downhill. Not that they can't just sell a flaming turd they poop out for a ton of money nowadays (as they can easily with the reputation they've built), but that doesn't mean they're good.
successful doesn't mean good. Look at Microsoft. They've been stupidly successful up until recently, but did that mean they have a good product/have great programmers??
etc etc
Sorry for misreading what you said then.
However, why would it not be fairly accurate to see that "x ISP is doing a significantly larger than normal amount of resets" = they might have something going on with their resets?
Additionally, its not like comcast or any other ISP wants us to see said data or would let us, so where else can it go?
I suggest you try not to assume all vuze facts are incorrect. I happen to be in an area where the reset rate was 50-75%, and to ensure accuracy I did nothing more than download a torrent via azureus and then seed it.
No other sources that use internet access were used at all, so I suspect that you try not to find magic ways to deny traffic.
Why was vuze accurate? because it only watched traffic coming in off azureus. You don't need more details than that, so yes, it can prove anything about whats going on.
If you watch the reset logs (as I did while vuze was running) you'd notice the generic packet resets inserted by comcast would not have the right(brainfart, forgot the term here), umm, packet number/order in the reset....you'd be trying to connect and then suddenly reset reset reset after an exact amount of time that was consistent every time (and way less than the TCP timeout).
I found that between wireshark and azureus ther ewas about a 2% variance in which program thought I had higher reset rates, but to give you an idea it was around 50-82% reset rates, which less than 1% were legitimate.
In dells case it is exactly like my own, but the reverse of. Their products are made of so much crap (and yet overpriced), and so adding in free support just makes things worse. Adding in crappy cheap support individuals makes it even worse. If they were charging people for what they were getting, their prices would be rock bottom and the truth of how much POS dell is would be brought forward more quickly...vocal crowd due to higher customer base, although people already hate dells.
Instead, if they gave up some of their profit to have real quality products at the same price that worked together well, they'd be able to make more money overall but less per customer....but they'd have things that wouldn't spontaneously break or be made of crap or not do what people are hoping to do with it.
I agree :)
However, many of my customers are not good enough with computers to google their problems, to my dismay (even though I have tried to teach them time and time again). It's like them: "my internet's not working" me: "disconnect and reconnect the cable modem" them:"I can't, it's permanently connected" (cue facepalm when I tell them its another cable and they tell me its not).
Also, free support? good grief, people would call you at the drop of a hat if things go wrong, for things that don't even warrant support time. This is another reason to charge for support, imo.
If you make magically "works flawless" software, you're still going to have to do support.
Really, support has more business than the product itself. Not everyone buys the product. But everyone who buys it, is going to need support. With that said, why not make the product free, and charge reasonable (or exorbitant at times) support? I don't know anyone that refuses outright "free" vs pay on anything, if the resulting options are the same. It's like hmm, do you want to pay for a 50" TV, or do you want it free? Support calls are not free? You know something is going to go bad some day, but at least now you know the company relies on making their product work well in order to keep business....thus an incentive to have great support.
Also, letting people modify things themselves to fit their own purposes creates new demand for the existing project (non software example: hey, so and so did a cool mod to his car - lets get one of those and do that too)
Seems like simple logic to me. I do this with my own business, and it works wonders. I make 0 profit off the computers I sell to my customers (sold at cost), but I charge them considerably for support. However, I sell them the best products on the market that I can get them....and yet I have so much demand I can't even keep up.
It's not that expensive and has a bit of games on the free side as well - gameamp is basically a glorified emulator but has some stuff up to the playstation 2 era (god of war, legacy of kain, some other stuff) and some PC games.
The few times I've seen a different scenario is where they have an option of listening to an audio version of whatever word they produce in the captcha.
In the defense of many, I've seen some captcha's so distorted that I can't even make out the damn words/letters within it. I welcome a new method like this, but I'm suspecting that it will eventually be beaten as well.
I've heard of this open network based on a whole bunch of computers interconnected....I believe it was called, last I checked, the internet?
I agree about your personal opinion, I care about the vertical height as well. However, the issue is that 2 24" screens are supposed to be exactly comparable. It's misleading to the consumer to think that a 24" widescreen and a 24" standard are the same size, which you and I know they are not.
Additionally, it's misleading that now the 24" wide is priced at the price point of the 24" standard, enabling monitor/tv makers to magically create a margin of price that never existed.
This is like paying the price of a 29" for a 24", in your comparison.
As I have pointed out many times, the truth is that indeed the reason is cost cutting. 24" wide vs 24" normal, which is more expensive? Normal, of course. Yet the wide is now a "feature", so it's been marked up and the normal discontinued.
Thus, lower quality product at higher price. Go on, keep telling yourself that it looks nicer to have less pixels, with say 1280x1024 vs 1440x900. Whups!
The truth is, manufacturers and retailers have come to a standard agreement (this is not the first time), that they will sell everything widescreen as a "Feature" for money because standard size was starting to get too competitive/too marked down. Panasonic has been doing this for the last 12+ years, as a standard procedure for example.