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PC Gaming Suggestions for Console-like Fun?

jayminer writes "We are a relatively newly married young couple who enjoy spending our spare time at home. We don't own a console but have a gaming laptop with DVI output to play games on our TV. My wife is also a CS major so she's computer literate enough. She does not like strategy games, MMORG or any other role-playing game. Apart from "Find the Sausage" jokes, we need quality gaming advice, preferably games which we can play with a single laptop connected to a single large screen, with two gamepads, a console-like experience. What are your suggestions?"

513 comments

  1. Obvious answer... by richy+freeway · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just buy a console.

    1. Re:Obvious answer... by bj+bignell · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yeah, no kidding. I recently snagged an XBox for $30 with a few games. You could also get a NEW PS2 console for $130 from BestBuy. Is it that hard?

    2. Re:Obvious answer... by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      Its much cheaper to buy a game or two (maybe 30) than it is to buy a console and then buy games for it...

      By the sound of the statement, they (the ones trying to pass themselves off as a 'sweet' couple, but really its like Sony, wondering how to make more PC users buy consoles) dont really want a dedicated console for gaming because thats more effort than required... sounds more like "maybe every weekend we'll play some games" kinda thing... they already have a platform, a screen, and controlers they like...

    3. Re:Obvious answer... by Aranykai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Simple and sweet. Its really the truth though.

      Ive sat here and tossed around all the game I can remember playing over the years, and the ones worth the time all equate one pc with one player.

      Consoles are the king of multi user gaming hands down. Like suggested above, nab an old console. PS 1 or Nintendo 64 or such should be had for under 75 USD with several games.

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    4. Re:Obvious answer... by pl1ght · · Score: 1

      I really dont think any console maker needs PC gamers to move to consoles, they all already have. Hence the death of PC Gaming.

    5. Re:Obvious answer... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The load it with Emulators. Most of my friends aren't the huge gaming type. When we get together to hang out we don't want to sit through a tutorial on how to play SuperHappyBallComando4. We want the games we grew up with (and some from before then).

      Super Mario Bros 3, Pong, Frogger, PacMan. Plus they make excellent drinking games (One shot for every fruit you didn't get on a PacMan level.) The best thing is an xBox can store ALL of these games and more.

      Or you could even get some classic looking controllers and play these on the laptop.

    6. Re:Obvious answer... by tepples · · Score: 1

      Super Mario Bros 3, Pong, Frogger, PacMan. Where can one find copies of these games without breaking U.S. law?
    7. Re:Obvious answer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Right, that's why so many companies are pouring money left and right into performance components for computer gaming?

      Why the hell did I just spend nearly 200USD on a freaking HD 3870? PC gaming is dead...

    8. Re:Obvious answer... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Informative

      I would suggest emulators.

      For arcade games, you can use MAME

      http://mamedev.org/

      Once you've got MAME, you need a set of current ROM files for it. You can find ROMs on BitTorrent or on any P2P application.

      As MAME evolves, the ROM sets get replaced with new and better extractions, so you'll want a piece of software to manage them.

      ClrMAMEPro is a tool that will use the data files from the latest version of MAME, and scan a big huge mess of old ROM files, extracting whatever is useful from them into a nice, neat set that works with the current version

      http://www.clrmame.com/

      To get yourself set up, download any new or old MAME ROMs you can find, then use ClrMAMEPro to make a proper and current set out of them and burn it to backup.

      There are also emulators floating around out there for Playstation, Nintendo 64, NES and Super NES. I've gotten good performance out of Project 64, an emulator for Nintendo 64. MarioCart plays quite well.

      When you're choosing GamePads, you should look for something wireless that has as many buttons as you can possibly find. You want to be able to map the controller you choose to every possible controller from history, so you're going to need something that is flexible.

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    9. Re:Obvious answer... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Good Will. Garage Sales. Then download them. It's just a Media Shift, it's gray area. But you can feel nice and legal.

    10. Re:Obvious answer... by trdrstv · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Its much cheaper to buy a game or two (maybe 30) than it is to buy a console and then buy games for it...

      Only if you're talking "Current gen". A Used Gamecube is $30 at Gamestop, and a Used X-box is $60. There are a Ton of good Co-op games for cheap (NHL HITZ is an all time favorite). Hell instead of buying the extra controller, buy 2 Gamecubes and an extra memory card in case you both want to game solo at some point.

    11. Re:Obvious answer... by pl1ght · · Score: 1

      Sorry how many copies did COD4 sell on the PC compared to the PS3/360? Sins of a Solar Empire is a great game. But its sales are paltry in comparison to an "average" game on a console. Epic pulling out of PCs, iD talking about pulling out of PC market(developing for console first), etc ,etc. PC is becoming a MMORPG environment. All i do on my PC are race sims, which consoles will never be able to touch.

    12. Re:Obvious answer... by The+Great+Pretender · · Score: 1

      No kidding. As a parent of a two year old and trapped in the house most evenings because we're living in different countries from the relatives and not wealthy enough to bring in nanny. We "invested" in Rock Band and Guitar Hero. We have by far got our money's worth. We own no other games and it's been a fun thing to do with people who come over after the kid goes down. Just don't ask me to sing. Find a friend who has it and try it first to make sure.

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    13. Re:Obvious answer... by Hatta · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why not break US law? There's absolutely no chance of getting punished, and it's obviously not ethically wrong to copy files. Seriously, what's your problem?

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    14. Re:Obvious answer... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Perhaps his particular brand of morality says it's wrong to break laws - even though the laws themselves may be wrong.

    15. Re:Obvious answer... by keysersoze_sec · · Score: 1

      http://planetemu.net/ (french) is an excellent place to start with. Tons of roms, all kinds of platforms, from Game Boy to SNES to MAME... you name it, they got it all.

    16. Re:Obvious answer... by MistrBlank · · Score: 1

      Best bet for controllers is to go the console route. You can use the wiimote as a standard Nintendo controller or connect a classic controller to it and get tons of buttons. Uses bluetooth. I love tinkering with it and my next plan is to get the wiizapper working (essentially just getting the IR readouts from the pointer on the wiimote) with my screen (47"lcd tv) and PC to play older MAME shooters. I'm pretty sure there's support for the ps3 controllers and I know there is MS support for XBox360 controllers on Vista at a minimum. I'm not telling you to buy the console, but the controllers are pretty sweet on their own.

    17. Re:Obvious answer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typing of the Dead. It is like Mavis Beacon, only with zombies, you'll need 2 computers, but it is very fun.

    18. Re:Obvious answer... by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      Name is good, it has plenty of games, you may have trouble finding out whats worth playing/not worth playing because there are so many, overall its a great emulator.

      Mupen64+ is also a good nintendo64 emulator for those of us on linux. I hear ps emulators are fairly good to but, i think you cant go wrong with arcade classics (NAME) and N64 (project64/mupen64) as N64 games are more multiplayer orientated. (f-zero X, mario cart, micro machines), hell i even used to play with a non-geek girlfriend.

      An important factor would be the controllers, as a fan of Xboxs original large controllers, i choped up 2 of the cables to make xbox - usb cables, (its a fairly trivial task). you can also get usb converters for xbox/ps controllers, or buy a couple of wii controllers and a bluetooth dongle. There may also be good pc controllers, but i never found any.

      For arcade games, phones + bluetooth, (i bound anyremote, to 16 random keys but there are probably other ways of doing it), will also do nicely.

      Also a DS emulator works quite nicely with a laptop touch pad, but its only 1 player.

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    19. Re:Obvious answer... by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      GameTap.

    20. Re:Obvious answer... by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Here here! NHL Hitz 2003! We had to search for a copy, but so much fun!

    21. Re:Obvious answer... by girasquid · · Score: 1

      You hardly even need to worry about used, for the older-gen stuff - a brand new gamecube(and paper mario) is only $70 at the wal-marts up here.

    22. Re:Obvious answer... by edwdig · · Score: 1

      and it's obviously not ethically wrong to copy files.

      How is it obviously not ethnically wrong?

      You're taking something for free that you were supposed to pay for. That obviously is wrong.

    23. Re:Obvious answer... by orclevegam · · Score: 4, Funny

      Damn lawful alignment. This is why we have a house rule of no paladins.

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    24. Re:Obvious answer... by mk_is_here · · Score: 1

      Sorry how many copies did COD4 sell on the PC compared to the PS3/360? IIRC the developer of COD4 Infinity Ward once commented there are more pirated copies than legal clients played online.

      That's right, PC figures are not quite accurate, they are brought down by illegal P2P sharing. This look less an issue on consoles because console manufacturers can lock your console down.
    25. Re:Obvious answer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also... if you choose to go for console emulation, 'original controllers' are better than gold imo. USB converters for NES, SNES, XBox, etc controllers work miracles. There's a noticeable difference when playing N64 games with a PS2 style controller and vice versa.

      Just make sure to read reviews for different adapters, as some are built better than others. Some are out of production (Quality N64 adapter for example)

      Alot depends on if you prefer a certain console (again... N64s controller is a bit different than the rest with its 3 parts - while you could more easily use an XBox controller with a PS1/2, vice versa) or if you end up using em all (Big controller with a ton of buttons is best for 'variety'. Arcade type games normally use a different style of controller as well so...

    26. Re:Obvious answer... by m50d · · Score: 1
      Only if you're talking "Current gen".

      No, actually if you go back a generation the price advantage of the PC becomes much greater - all the games are under a fiver. Compare like with like.

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    27. Re:Obvious answer... by Toonol · · Score: 1

      The parent post will be the best answer in the thread. PC games are sadly, sadly, lacking in multiplayer games (as in, multiple players in the same room). But there are enough classic super nintendo and sega games to keep you entertained for years.

    28. Re:Obvious answer... by Hatta · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sure, that might seem obvious if your idea of ethics is doing what you're told. I suppose that if you were told that you were supposed to pay for oxygen, you'd consider breathing unethical.

      Most of us though have our own consciences and prefer to use them. The simple act of copying a file in the privacy of my own home harms no one. Therefore, it cannot possibly be wrong.

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    29. Re:Obvious answer... by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      Or substitute PacPC for pacman, it's close enough. Start on a higher level or maze to make it exciting. I run it in DOSBOX, if you have a Win partition to install it on. 2 player, and no major commitment to make, unlike RPGs and other games. Phone rings? Fave TV show on? You can walk away for a moment...

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    30. Re:Obvious answer... by Brendtron+5000 · · Score: 1

      Emulators are the way to go. I set up an HTPC with emulators in the living room. Any time we're sitting around having a few pre-night out drinks we're playing Dr. Mario, Double Dragon II, Yoshi's Island or Micro Machines.

      And for controllers, nothing beats the feel of the original SNES game pads. You can pick up an adapter here http://www.retrousb.com/ and some SNES controllers at a thrift store for a couple of bucks.

    31. Re:Obvious answer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "Serious Sam" series of games are fpses that support local multiplayer, split screen up to 4 players on one computer... Marvel Ultimate Alliance is also a local multiplayer game, up to 4 players on one shared top down screen... if i think of others I'll post more.

    32. Re:Obvious answer... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      You're taking something for free that you were supposed to pay for. That obviously is wrong.

      Supposed to pay for? Says who?

      I say you're supposed to pay me a dollar for every breath you take. At a textbook value of twelve breaths a minute, let's see, that'll be $17,280 a day. $6,307,200 for every year of your age. (I'm giving you leap days for free.)

      All claims of "property rights" that originate from government fiat - in other words, most of them, and certainly all copyrights - are just as arbitrary as the breathing charge I'm leveling on you. Governments just have more guns at their disposal to extract payment.

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    33. Re:Obvious answer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, just buy a wii

    34. Re:Obvious answer... by Punkster812 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the console is the best way to go for multiplayer on the same system. The only games I can think of that allow multiplayer on the same PC are console emulators. I play both console and PC and if you are looking for a console-like, there really isn't a substitution. I have tried playing games that I own on a console on the PC, there really is a big difference, even with a controller. But if you do stick with a PC and want a similar feel, you might want to check out the Microsoft controller (the one that looks just like the XBox 360, or you can get the 360 controller if you plan on getting one later)

    35. Re:Obvious answer... by COMON$ · · Score: 1

      Depends on the game, Last time I checked RTS games from blizzard were still $20+ I did find Warcraft III for $13 used though once on amazon. Those games are at least 6 years old. Console games used on the other hand....pack of 30 for nothing on e-bay.

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    36. Re:Obvious answer... by KillerBob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lost revenue does harm the publisher, which in turn harms the developer. For a wide majority of older software, the publisher either isn't still in business, or couldn't care less whether you pirate a game from 1987... that's what makes up Abandonware. Some companies actively enforce their rights on older IP, even if they don't still intend to profit from it: LucasArts, for example. Others will distribute older software along with newer software... Sid Meier's Pirates!, for example, came with a copy of the original 1987 game, Pirates, on the DVD. Still others will freely distribute older IP through their website for free, like RockStar games with the Grand Theft Auto series. It's really up to the company.

      But for product that they're still selling or have plans to still sell (for example, anything that's on the Wii virtual console, or could be on the VC), they can quite easily demonstrate lost revenue from your copying the files.

      Just because you don't know the person that your actions harm, or you don't like them, doesn't mean that your actions don't have consequences. Whether your conscience is ok with that or not is up to you. I'm not getting involved. But don't lie to yourself over whether it harms anybody, because it hurts your argument.

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    37. Re:Obvious answer... by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1

      Well, since you don't actually take anything from anyone, and you don't actually hurt anyone, the only thing that is obviously wrong is YOUR analysis.

      Don't let stuff like facts & definitions get in the way of your ideology though. That would be unAmerican.

    38. Re:Obvious answer... by Simon80 · · Score: 1

      I totally agree with this, the Wii remote is versatile, wireless, and inexpensive for what it is. I wish it had one or two extra buttons where the A button is though, because it doesn't have enough buttons for the right hand to map onto other console controllers very well. The classic controller has enough buttons, but no analog shoulder pads, which might be a problem one day for certain consoles.

    39. Re:Obvious answer... by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, easy enough to demonstrate... assuming I would have bought the files I copied for free. And also assuming that I'm not more likely to spend money on classic games when I get to try them for free first.

      But that's not really the point. The point is that copying a file is a private transaction between two consenting adults. The people who are behaving unethically are those who are trying to control voluntary consenting behavior. They're not losing any revenue because they're not ethically entitled to stick their noses into my private business in the first place.

      If the Sex Worker's Association of America bought as many congressmen as the RIAA/ESA has, they'd try to levy royalties on me every time I had sex with my girlfriend. And that would be just as fair as the situation with copying ROMs.

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    40. Re:Obvious answer... by Crackmonkeyjr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That morality gets a little tenuous with things like Atari and NES games, where you probably couldn't buy it if you wanted to, and even if you could, it would be second hand and therefore of nominal benefit to the creator.

    41. Re:Obvious answer... by Sparr0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am sitting at home. I press a button to copy a file. Not pressing that button would not have generated any revenue for the copyright holder of the file, therefore pressing the button has not cost them any revenue.

      The "lost revenue" argument is a joke. It may (and probably does) apply to people who produce illegal copies for distribution, but has zero weight with regards to individuals making copies for themselves.

    42. Re:Obvious answer... by edwdig · · Score: 1

      I'll definitely agree with you that it's a different story with abandonware, but very few people trying to justify pirating roms make that distinction.

    43. Re:Obvious answer... by Vexor · · Score: 1

      Gametap has a lot of old school games. Every single one of them runs flawlessly (yes, even on Vista). Cheap price for a plethora of fun games. On a side note: Games today are way to easy, try beating all 255 levels of pacman. Some of these old school games are far tougher then COD4 or any other item.

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    44. Re:Obvious answer... by edwdig · · Score: 1

      Sure, easy enough to demonstrate... assuming I would have bought the files I copied for free. And also assuming that I'm not more likely to spend money on classic games when I get to try them for free first.

      Your whole argument here is that there is nothing wrong with just copying the games, and no reason not to do it. You can't expect someone to actually believe you would go out and spend money on the games after you just claimed there was no reason to spend money on them when you could just copy them.

      And realistically, the time you spent playing the game you copied is less time for you to play other games, which could mean less sales for other games, thereby harming someone else. It's at least a far more likely scenario to happen than the one you proposed before.

      They're not losing any revenue because they're not ethically entitled to stick their noses into my private business in the first place.

      And you're not ethically entitled to have other people's work.

    45. Re:Obvious answer... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      You can't expect someone to actually believe you would go out and spend money on the games after you just claimed there was no reason to spend money on them when you could just copy them.

      Of course not. It's not like there's any data to suggest that people who share lots of files also buy more files.

      And realistically, the time you spent playing the game you copied is less time for you to play other games,

      Because I'm somehow not entitled to spend my time as I see fit? Time I spend masturbating is less time for me to play games. Should the ESA be able to tax my spooge now?

      And you're not ethically entitled to have other people's work.

      Here's the thing. Any transaction between consenting adults is ethical. Period. If Alice uses her computer to copy Bob's ROMs, that transaction is between Bob and Alice and no one else. Any third party trying to intervene needs to mind their own business.

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    46. Re:Obvious answer... by FatherOfONe · · Score: 1

      Of course there is the whole morals and ethics thing, but why let that slow you down... If someone comes over and kills you and the local law doesn't do anything about it then I guess that would be ok also. I guess we as a society shouldn't be surprised with a post like this when a secular progressive agenda has been embraced for a couple of decades now.

      Also, I somehow get the suspicion that you hate DRM, yet it is people like you that bring it on. So please don't start bitching when every developer goes to a WoW type of system because it is almost impossible to steal. Don't complain when we get DRM filled Blue-Ray movies that require separate CPU's just to do the decryption; while they and constantly change keys to make life hell for those of us that do choose not to steal.

      By the way what business are you in? I am sure that you wouldn't have a problem with people stealing your stuff... Granted I am making a HUGE assumption that you currently DO work and don't live in your mothers basement.

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    47. Re:Obvious answer... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Of course there is the whole morals and ethics thing, but why let that slow you down... If someone comes over and kills you and the local law doesn't do anything about it then I guess that would be ok also.

      Right, because murder and copying files are exactly comparable. And if you've been keeping up with the thread, I've argued pretty forcefully that copying files is entirely ethical. Sure it's illegal, but as St. Augustine said "an unjust law is no law at all."

      I guess we as a society shouldn't be surprised with a post like this when a secular progressive agenda has been embraced for a couple of decades now.

      Where the hell are you from? In the US the religious right has been the dominant political force since Reagan. There has not been a meaningful progressive movement in the US my entire life.

      Also, I somehow get the suspicion that you hate DRM, yet it is people like you that bring it on.

      Really how? I have never, and will never buy any product with DRM. DRM can never make me buy a product. DRM can however make me not buy a product. So if a company wants my money they must not implement DRM. How exactly is it my fault that they do then?

      By the way what business are you in? I am sure that you wouldn't have a problem with people stealing your stuff...

      I'm in science. The more people who see my work the better. As it should be.

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    48. Re:Obvious answer... by thesandtiger · · Score: 1

      You don't have to buy games to play them on consoles. Rent them - either from a Gamefly type place or any local video store. Most places will let you hold on to them pretty much indefinitely now, and some places (Blockbuster in my area does this) lets you do something where for $20 a month you can have up to 4 games out at any given time. The only new games I buy are ones that have really high replayability and are party games, like Rock Band and Brawl and the like.

      Alternately, buy a PS2 used (well under $100) and you have a stupidly huge library of incredibly cheap games that'll work on it. Pretty clearly the OP isn't worried about having the latest and greatest, and there are a LOT of really fun PS1 and PS2 games out there that can be bought for under $5. A relative got me a gift card to a GameStop and I took advantage of a 2for1 sale to pick up a bunch of games for the equivalent of about $2 a game...

      If they want to stick to the laptop and don't care about possibly violating the law, emulators are the way to go. MAME rocks and it's very easy to find a large selection of ROMs.

      But personally, I'd go for the used PS2 and renting or buying used games. Cheap, absolutely legal, and a great deal of fun.

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    49. Re:Obvious answer... by SoulMan007 · · Score: 1

      Wii Virutal Console. Most games run from 400-1000 points ($1.00 = 100 points) and they have a decent selection of arcade/console games from NES days to N64s.

      Though I'm still waiting for Shining Force I and II to be released...

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    50. Re:Obvious answer... by KillerBob · · Score: 1

      Your argument is predicated on a fallacy... the reality is that the copyright holder has decided not to distribute the product as a trial or free basis. Whether you're more likely or not to purchase the product having sampled it is irrelevant: you still stole a copy of it in order to try it. If the developper/publisher wanted you to have the option of downloading a copy and trying it out before buying, then they would have distributed a shareware/trialware version of the software. It's a distribution model that's been around for decades, and has worked quite well for some. It is, after all, how Id got off the ground.

      Now. In Canada, there's a concept called Fair Dealings, which basically says that private users can do what they want with stuff they've bought. We don't have copyright. We do, however, have distribution rights. It's illegal to distribute software without a license from the IP owner... this means that you, the end user, can't really be prosecuted for downloading it, but the person you downloaded it from can most certainly be taken to court over it.

      No matter how you cut it, though, it is *not* ethically right to download content like that. It may be legal to do so, but downloading encourages the content distribution which *is* illegal, and *does* hurt the distributor.

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    51. Re:Obvious answer... by steveo777 · · Score: 1

      An other great video game related drinking game is the Ninja Gaiden drinking game. Every time Ryu's dad dies, everyone drinks. The controller is passed around and when you beat a level you drink. If you die, you pass the controller. Starts off slow, and sometimes people can be very good at the game. Eventually nobody can get to the first boss and everyone is drinking constantly due to the first cut scene.

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    52. Re:Obvious answer... by Gizzmonic · · Score: 1

      How is it obviously not ethnically wrong?

      You're taking something for free that you were supposed to pay for. That obviously is wrong. It's not ethnically wrong, it's ethnically white!
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    53. Re:Obvious answer... by edwdig · · Score: 1

      Of course not. It's not like there's any data to suggest that people who share lots of files also buy more files.

      That's fine and dandy, but you're still just pulling at straws trying to find something to justify your behavior. You're simultaneously trying to argue that there's no reason for you not to copy things instead of buying them at the same time as you're arguing that it doesn't stop you from buying. Those statements are contradictory unless you never have any intentions of buying, which would just make it a rather stupid argument.

      Because I'm somehow not entitled to spend my time as I see fit?

      First off, if what you want to do is illegal, then no, you're not. But that's not at all what I said. You asked how anyone was harmed by your copying games, and I was giving examples.

      Here's the thing. Any transaction between consenting adults is ethical. Period.

      That's just flat out not true.

      I sell you a car. Tell you it runs fine. I neglect to mention that if you drive the car for more than half an hour at a time it overheats and burns out some parts. Is that a transaction between consenting adults? Yes. Is it ethical? No.

      I'm the head of a public company. I misrepresent the status of the company causing the stock price to go up, sell my stock, then announce a "correction" to my prior statements. Did everyone consent to the stock deals? Yes. Is it ethical? No.

    54. Re:Obvious answer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been a console gamer since the original NES to todays crop of consoles, i find that games on consoles are just far more immersive and more varied than PC games.

      PC games generally fall within a handful of categories primarily FPS, MMORPG, strategy and simulations. The problem is that thats about it!!. While clearly graphics have improved the game genres have become stagnant as the primary method of controlling them has gone unchanged since the mid 1990's. Additionally quality was always an issue with CPU if it wasn't a crappy OS it was a piece of hardware not fully supported by a particular game drivers that need to be updated or else the game will routinely crash, a slew of patches that correct issue that should have been found and fixed well before the product even touched store shelves. Quality control on PC games is a nightmare because essentially anything goes there isn't a governing body licenses releases for the platform. Issue two is hardware, because PC game graphics evolve more rapidly than those of consoles hardware updates are far more regular a modern graphics card can cost $500 and beyond and is relevant for no more than two years, not to mention RAM and CPU updates and operating system support for older games.

      Console are a "One-and-Done" answer "it just works". Developers only need to design for one platform configuration and as such can optimize the hell out of it dispite the lower hardware specs these devices have been designed from the ground up with gaming in mind. In regards to PCs general usage and not primarily gaming devices and because there are thousands of hardware OS and driver combinations it if more difficult for developers to accommodate them and test them resulting in a inferior offering from a quality standpoint in general. another irksome issue with PC games are patches, patches are a pain because the enable the game developer to release substandard software to the market faster with the anticipation of patching serious flaws later; on consoles (at least prior to the X360) patches have not been possible on consoles requiring developers to release it as right as possible the first time because unless there is a serious issue there are no recalls. Console game recalls are extremely rare.

      Despite the lesser graphics of consoles they more than make up for that deficiency with their immersiveness, overall the offering of games on consoles is far more broad, with a far greater diversity of games and because each is designed using the controller as the primary input device and there are virtually no stability issues either (X360 is the only exception). No tweaking settings to see if you can get a couple more frames and no incompatibility issue or OS forced obsolescence.

      Another mis conception is that consoles are "kiddie" this could not be further from the truth, due to the less intimidating nature of the control interface it has made consoles more open a wider audience of people than ever before and are usually in a more public settings such as a family room which automatically puts them in a better position to provide an in-room multilayer experience.

      On a related Note:
      Sure companies including Nintendo put out "immature" games but in many cases for those willing to put aside their prejudices will find a very well made and rewarding experience, honestly who knows anyone who played and didn't like Mario Galaxy!! or Katamari Damacy!! and for those who say that consoles generally suck for RPGs obviously haven't played Metroid Prime 3 on Wii.

    55. Re:Obvious answer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just pwned that guy...nice job.

    56. Re:Obvious answer... by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 1

      Perhaps his particular brand of ethics doesn't agree that the law is wrong. It's not exactly a rare opinion, unless you think the whole world is Slashdot. If that's the case, I feel sorry for anyone who interacts with you.

    57. Re:Obvious answer... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      You're simultaneously trying to argue that there's no reason for you not to copy things instead of buying them at the same time as you're arguing that it doesn't stop you from buying. Those statements are contradictory

      Whether or not copying files leads to more or less sales is largely irrelevant to my argument. You brought it up, and I was correcting your factual error in stating that file sharing costs companies sales. My argument has to do with individual liberty.

      First off, if what you want to do is illegal, then no, you're not. But that's not at all what I said. You asked how anyone was harmed by your copying games, and I was giving examples.

      You were arguing that illegal ROMs may monopolize my time, causing harm to game vendors, and therefore it should be prohibited. The same argument applies to any activity. Am I causing harm to game vendors by posting on /. instead of buying their games? If so, should /. be prohibited?

      I sell you a car. Tell you it runs fine. I neglect to mention...

      There's your error. If someone isn't fully informed, he can't really consent. I thought that was understood, and didn't want to throw around legal terms like "informed consent" but I guess I have to.

      Any transaction between fully informed consenting adults is ethical. Period.

      Is that better? If Alice uses her computer to make a copy of Bob's ROMs, with knowledge and permission from Bob, that's a private transaction between two informed consenting adults. It would be wrong for anyone to interfere.

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    58. Re:Obvious answer... by sesshomaru · · Score: 1

      But video game companies are paragons of virtue, it's morally wrong to infringe on their vitally important intellectual property...

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    59. Re:Obvious answer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why buy? You can emulate a console already such as SNES which brings back some good quality 2 player competitive play.

    60. Re:Obvious answer... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Perhaps his particular brand of ethics doesn't agree that the law is wrong. It's not exactly a rare opinion, unless you think the whole world is Slashdot. If that's the case, I feel sorry for anyone who interacts with you. Valid point, but was there a particular reason to turn it into a thinly veiled insult?
    61. Re:Obvious answer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel sorry for anyone who interacts with you. Does that include the new overlords whom he, for one, welcomes?
    62. Re:Obvious answer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You were born free, you got fucked out of half of it and now you wave a flag celebrating it." - Doug Stanhope

    63. Re:Obvious answer... by CheShACat · · Score: 1

      Just because the game isn't in production any more doesn't mean that it never will be again. Look at the mobile phone gaming phenomenon: A huge amount of money has been made from republishing previously "abandoned" titles.

    64. Re:Obvious answer... by adona1 · · Score: 1

      I'm curious to see how things go once games released on consoles and PC are able to play online against each other rather than solely PC with PC/Xbox with Xbox etc.

      I'd be willing to bet that FPS games would suddenly get a whole lot of sales for the PC once keyboard & mouse players start headshooting gamepad players...

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    65. Re:Obvious answer... by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 2, Funny

      You just went through all that to basically justify publishing the fact you have a girlfriend and have sex with her, didn't you?

    66. Re:Obvious answer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screw it, go get Steam, buy a game pad and a sound system. Close as you're gonna get.

    67. Re:Obvious answer... by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      The L and R buttons on the classic Controller are analogue. You think Nintendo would deliberately take a step back on their latest controller?

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    68. Re:Obvious answer... by m50d · · Score: 1

      Again, compare like with like. Blizzard's RTSes are still expensive because they're still popular, but they're a tiny tiny proportion of all games, and shop prices for console games rarely go below £10 each.

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    69. Re:Obvious answer... by mollymoo · · Score: 1

      My personal ethical argument against copyright is that the works you're misapproprited by copyright violation were only created in the expectation that the creators would get paid for copies. Without that expectation, which is reasonable as copyright law does exist, they simply would not exist.

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    70. Re:Obvious answer... by goldaryn · · Score: 1

      > Consoles are the king of multi user gaming hands down.

      Parent is basically right. Having read nearly all of tthe comments there seem to be 4 main themes

      1) get a console
      2) get an emulator of a console, MAME or old-school platform
      3) get a PC version of a console game (DDR, Lego Star Wars is one I recommend)
      4) get a life

      (4 is overrated)

    71. Re:Obvious answer... by TuringTest · · Score: 1

      The trick is in, who is supposing that, and why?

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    72. Re:Obvious answer... by Doggabone · · Score: 1

      Any argument that tries to define what is or is not ethical presumes that ethics are a universally true set, but the case for that has not been made. That I'm sticking this reply under your post and not any one of a dozen more is only because that's when the notion popped into my head - your presumption of universal ethics is indistinct from everyone else's (see below ... see above ...).

    73. Re:Obvious answer... by edwdig · · Score: 1

      Just because the game isn't in production any more doesn't mean that it never will be again.

      Right. But that also doesn't mean it's abandonware. The obvious example of that is Nintendo. They're constantly finding ways to rerelease their old stuff.

      I consider abandonware to be things where either the rights holder no longer exists or has ok'd others doing whatever with it.

    74. Re:Obvious answer... by BigJClark · · Score: 1


      Says you, I rather enjoyed hotseat HOMM, and Star Control 2 Melee battles :)

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    75. Re:Obvious answer... by rtechie · · Score: 1

      But for product that they're still selling or have plans to still sell (for example, anything that's on the Wii virtual console, or could be on the VC), they can quite easily demonstrate lost revenue from your copying the files. In the case of old games, 9/10 times you don't have the OPTION of paying for it because it's impossible to find the old hardware/software.

      In the case of the VC... The N64 emulator on my original XBOX is DRAMATICALLY better than then emulator on the Wii. It manages to play games without glitches and stuttering. The same is true of most of the other emulators on the wii. I'll be fucked if I'm going to pay Nintendo 10 bucks for an ancient game that doesn't work as well as my 5-year-old hacked XBOX running emulators thrown together on a weekend.

      Lost revenue does harm the publisher, which in turn harms the developer. ... Just because you don't know the person that your actions harm, or you don't like them, doesn't mean that your actions don't have consequences. Man, I wish this was true. If I could actually harm the big record labels by pirating their music I'd do it as a full-time job. Ditto for EA.

    76. Re:Obvious answer... by Simon80 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I did - this is a pleasant surprise.

    77. Re:Obvious answer... by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      I agree, for older style console-like fun back in the days of 16 bit heaven, MAME is where it's at. Controllers optional.

      w00t Contra!

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    78. Re:Obvious answer... by mrv20 · · Score: 1

      Serious Sam is also to be recommended for being one of the few FPSs I've encountered that has a co-op mode. Whack up the number of monsters and jump in for a few hours of mayhem.

      It sticks to the same basic formula of blasting waves of monsters throughout the game but it's still very good fun, and it works much better than deathmatch when there is a big disparity in skill between the players. Pwning your partner 40-0 with your mad railgun skills may be hilarious to you, but it's probably not a recipe for marital harmony or repeated playing of that game.

      Does anyone have any other co-op FPS recommendations for the PC (or a console if it's good enough to be worth getting one for)?

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    79. Re:Obvious answer... by mrv20 · · Score: 1

      That said, I've never investigated playing Serious Sam in split screen mode - how do the controls work? Is it possible to play with 2 mouse/keyboard setups or do you have to use joypads for the additional players?

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  2. Buy a console by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you are wanting to play on your television opposed to a monitor, you probably have a pretty nice TV. Chances are your laptop cannot run at a resolution where you would even enjoy this experience.

    The 360 and the Wii cost less than the original NES did if you count in inflation. Do some research in game libraries and pick one. Well worth the investment.

    In terms of games, Guitar Hero is addicting.

    1. Re:Buy a console by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The average video game of good quality new relaease can cost $80-$90 a piece. A Wii is about $250 and comes with Wii Sports (which is just fun alone) So at the price of 3 games you get a console that makes it easier to get games for the situation.

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    2. Re:Buy a console by Hoplite3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or even cheaper, buy a console from the last generation: xbox, ps2, gamecube. You can get them used for peanuts or new for a bit more. Best of all, there are GOOD lists of what games for the console are actually fun.

      Reviews of modern games are often clouded by hype and irrelevant trends. Many nerds will retrospectively look at their video game library and wax poetic about the ones that are still fun (and they'll do it on their blog thanks to ego^w web 2.0). You can get these games used for $3-$10. A seven-year-old game can still be fun.

      And if you haven't played it, it's new to you.

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    3. Re:Buy a console by tepples · · Score: 1

      If you are wanting to play on your television opposed to a monitor, you probably have a pretty nice TV. Chances are your laptop cannot run at a resolution where you would even enjoy this experience. Both Xbox 360 consoles and Windows PCs easily run at 1280x720, a typical resolution of low-end HDTV. The advantage of a TV over a typical PC monitor is that more people can fit around a TV.
    4. Re:Buy a console by ADRenalyn · · Score: 1
      Any gaming laptop has a decent graphics card in it with capability to push a HDTV to its max resolution. Even my 2-year old Dell runs beautifully on my HDTV. Most modern games allow for resolutions like 1366x768, 1280x720, 1920x1080.

      I was just playing Rainbox Six:Vegas on my HDTV last night, and it looked fantastic. But I prefer using the wireless keyboard and mouse as opposed to controllers.

      Oh, and Guitar Hero is very addicting. That is another fine PC game that I play regularly.

    5. Re:Buy a console by somersault · · Score: 1

      Guitar Hero is addictive yep, but I've completed about 75% of the songs (not counting all the bonus ones) on expert and I've only had my PS3 for under a month (if I'd played any of the rest of the series I'd probably be finished it all by now)! It would definitely be fun for them to play through in co-op mode though :)

      DON'T get the PC version of Guitar Hero, apparently it has slow-downs in game even on a high specced PC. If you have a HDTV I'd definitely recommend the PS3 :) For a standard resolution TV the Wii is okay, though could still do with some anti-aliasing. The Wii is obviously more designed for a multiplayer/'family' experience, so again if you're just wanting to have a laugh, get one. If you're wanting to go through more 'serious' games that require more thinking and time to complete, then get the PS3. Uncharted is a great game - it is only single player, but I can imagine it would be quite fun if you switched every time you died. I played the game through on 3 of the difficulty levels in a few days, and I usually find games boring as ass to play through more than once, so that shows you how fun it is (especially once you get bonuses like the super slow motion and weapon bonuses) :) Not to mention the stunning graphics!

      As Aeron65432 says above me, you could always just get an emulator on the PC. That's an excellent idea if you're not just wanting to play the latest, prettiest games. You can pick up a couple of USB game pads and configure them in an emulator of your choice. Find a few ROMs (MarioKart on the SNES would be an obvious inital choice), and you're ready to go!

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    6. Re:Buy a console by iainl · · Score: 1

      Where the merry hell are you buying your games from? Amazon show the vast majority of PC games are $50 if you're not playing the "I must have the collector's edition in a box with a widget, a thingy and some tat" game to make your idea look better, and console ones are usually $60.

      Also, you didn't add on the price of a second Wii remote and nunchuck adaptor, because that would push the price of a Wii up even higher.

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    7. Re:Buy a console by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The average video game of good quality new relaease can cost $80-$90 a piece. What console are you buying games for? Most of the 'good' Wii games run about $50, and the Xbox 360 and PS3 games go for about $60. Even PC games rarely go over the $50 mark. This is all excluding collectors' editions and games like Guitar Hero where you're paying a premium for a guitar-shaped controller.
    8. Re:Buy a console by pipatron · · Score: 1

      the Wii is okay, though could still do with some anti-aliasing. The Wii is obviously more designed for a multiplayer/'family' experience [...] If you're wanting to go through more 'serious' games that require more thinking and time to complete, then get the PS3.

      How could anti-aliasing improve those types of games?

      Perhaps you meant to say "If you want mindless racing around a track or run around killing people, then get the PS3."

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    9. Re:Buy a console by Lobster+Quadrille · · Score: 1

      Seconded. I got out of gaming after Diablo II stole my soul. After putting my focus on other things for the last few years, I picked up a modded xbox for $75 off ebay. Now I can go back and play all the games I missed out on, and do them at my own pace. I'm having a lot of fun, and when friends oome over, we can always fire up the NES emulator.

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    10. Re:Buy a console by somersault · · Score: 0

      By smoothing out the graphics? Do you even know what anti-aliasing is? Since the Wii runs at such a low resolution, then anti-aliasing would really help to get rid of.. well, the aliasing! The higher the resolution, the less necessary anti-aliasing is, so the PS3 doesn't need it quite so much, though there are still some games that I think could do with it. Need for Speed Carbon on the PS3 hardly looks any better than it does on the Wii. Yuck.

      Uncharted does have a fair amount of killing, but it also has fun puzzles/platforming sections as well as some frankly beautiful outdoor sections (you can see the sun setting while you are scaling some cliffs in one of the early levels, and I always stop to look at just because it is truly spectacular and relaxing).

      If you think racing is 'mindless' then you've been playing too much Ridge Racer (which seems to me more like scalextrix than real cars - the cornering physics are absurd), or you don't know anything driving/physics. There is a lot to think about if you want to actually be a good race driver - conserving your tyres/engine/gearbox (depending on how realistic the game is and how many laps you're doing), what the appropriate line to take through a corner is (while taking into account the next several corners - there's a lot more to driving quickly than just putting your foot down), slipstreaming if you are racing with other cars, considering your drivetrain type so that you will be able to deal with handling at the grip limit (you have to be a lot more careful with your speed and steering into corners if you are in a RWD vehicle rather than a 4WD vehicle for example). Basically your comment is just flamebait and maybe I shouldn't rise to it, but you are being very simplistic. I appreciate the merits of both consoles, I haven't simply bought one and tried to slag off all the others to make myself feel better, as most idiots do. I'm never going to get an XBox though, simply because it's a Microsoft product (and I'm happy I avoided them after all the RROD hilarity :) )

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    11. Re:Buy a Console by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are no good co-op FPS games?! Try out Skulltag. It's a doom 2 port. With all the amazing new gamemodes and high quality wads (free addon levels) it provides a pretty awesome co-op experience. Heck it even supports OPENGL rendering now.

      Co-op, Survival Co-op, and Invasion are pretty sweet. (Not to mention all the other competetive gamemodes... Duel, CTF, Deathmatch etc) www.skulltag.com

    12. Re:Buy a console by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where the merry hell are you buying your games from?
      No idea about the GP, but regardless of the place here (Helsinki), new console games cost 60-70euros, which currently means $94 - $110.
    13. Re:Buy a console by Itchyeyes · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but this is just inaccurate. Most 15" laptops have a resolution of 1280x800, higher than a 720p television screen, and most 17" laptops have an even higher resolution. Some gaming laptops (which is what they said they have) even go as high as 1920x1200.

      I would probably agree that just buying a console would be a better option for them, but not because of anything to do with the resolution of the screen.

      If they don't want to spend a lot of new money on a console, a PS2 might be a great choice for them. Obviously the graphics won't be as slick as any of the current gen machines, but it has a massive library of cheap games to choose from and you can easily find a used one for under $100.

    14. Re:Buy a console by Itchyeyes · · Score: 1

      $80-$90? Maybe in Australia. In the states, Xbox 360 and PS3 games retail for $60 and Wii and PC games typically retail for $50 at launch.

    15. Re:Buy a console by morari · · Score: 1
      It's just too bad that you'd have to purchase a second controller for Guitar Hero to be truly fun for two people. With the guitars being a ridiculous $70, I don't see many people doing that... especially with the Wii version, where the guitar is just a shell piggybacking on the Wii remote's functionality.

      Before buying a console just for one overpriced game bundle, try downloading Frets on Fire, Coffee's Ultimate Mod, and all of the ripped Guitar Hero songs. Load it up onto your PC and hook up some old, cheap guitar controllers (or just flip your keyboard upside down).

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    16. Re:Buy a Console by djrobxx · · Score: 1

      PCs are "designed" for whatever use you want to use them for. Total hardware cost? With modern HDTVs, you can often just connect the PC through standard connections (DVI or VGA). You can hook up your old console game controllers with a very inexpensive USB adapters. We've had a PC of some sort connected to our HDTV since 1999. We use it for all sorts of things, gaming included. We haven't had a need for a standard DVD player in 7 years. Windows Media Center made the whole experience a lot better by allowing use of our universal remote with it. We now use a Mac Mini - its small, quiet, but powerful enough to do lots of things. The OPs question is perfectly valid. Back in the day, we used joysticks to play games on PCs. Somewhere in the FPS craze, gamepads went out of vogue. I'm not a fan of using a mouse and keyboard to play games. Most current games don't even have joystick input as an option. But it would be interesting to hear of any more recent titles that might work in this environment. So, as many others have pointed out, the biggest library of games that's going to work well in that environment are emulators of older game consoles and arcade games. If you want to collect them together in one nice user interface under Windows, check out Gameex.

    17. Re:Buy a console by zerOnIne · · Score: 1

      The native resolution is higher, *but* many laptops can't put out an HDTV signal natively to take advantage of those resolutions on a TV screen.

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    18. Re:Buy a console by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By smoothing out the graphics? Do you even know what anti-aliasing is? Since the Wii runs at such a low resolution, then anti-aliasing would really help to get rid of.. well, the aliasing! The higher the resolution, the less necessary anti-aliasing is, so the PS3 doesn't need it quite so much, though there are still some games that I think could do with it. Need for Speed Carbon on the PS3 hardly looks any better than it does on the Wii. Yuck.

      From a reasonable distance between a couch and a TV, I find it difficult to even discern between HD and SD. Anti-aliasing doesn't improve ANY game. It might make it look better, but when you get down to it, it's still the same mindless driving and/or killing game we've been playing since the PS1.

    19. Re:Buy a console by cleatsupkeep · · Score: 1

      You can get a PS2 Guitar Hero guitar for like 30 or 40, they have some non-brand name ones that are actually not bad, and one uses pedals for a whammy bar and star power activation, kind of fun. You're getting ripped off if you buy one straight from Harmonix or Red Octane, as they are overpriced.

    20. Re:Buy a console by HAKdragon · · Score: 1

      Chances are your laptop cannot run at a resolution where you would even enjoy this experience.

      Speaking as a Wii owner, changes are that his laptop runs at a higher resolution than the Wii.

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    21. Re:Buy a console by eln · · Score: 1

      With the Wii, you also gain access to the entire GameCube library. Then, you have hundreds of games to choose from, and the vast majority of them cost less than $20. There's also the Virtual Console, but that gets stale after you've finished playing the games you remember nostalgically from your childhood.

    22. Re:Buy a console by somersault · · Score: 1

      It doesn't improve the actual gameplay, but it help to not have everything look like a jaggedy piece of shit. If you find it difficult to discern between HD and SD then you either have a rubbish TV, or poor eyesight. Isn't it basically the difference between 640x480 or 800x480, whatever SD is, and whatever bye 768 or 1900x1200 on a monitor? I've got a 42" 1080p HDTV at home, there is a spectacular difference between say playing anything on my Wii, and watching a blu-ray movie. I got the Earth documentary just for the fact I knew it would be a good test of how good blu-ray/HD is, and it is spectacular. Independence Day isn't very impressive on Blu-ray, but I think it's just because of the original quality of the filming, because 300, Ratatouille and Earth are all stunningly detailed, right down to the last fleck of spraypainted-on-ab.

      Again, you're a retard if you think driving is mindless, and if you don't notice the better physics in today's driving games (though you probably just leave it on 'arcade' rather than going to simulation mode, eh?)

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    23. Re:Buy a console by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So is Frets on Fire, buy you do really have to get/make a proper controler (the Wii one's work great with a Bluetooth laptop).

    24. Re:Buy a Console by Hy-teq · · Score: 1

      > Good luck finding a co-op FPS title.

      Rainbox Six Vegas
      http://rainbowsixgame.us.ubi.com/vegas/agegate.php?destURL=/vegas/index.php
      Rainbox Six Vegas 2
      http://rainbowsixgame.us.ubi.com/agegate.php?destURL=/home.php

      Great co-op FPS (part 2 especially)

    25. Re:Buy a console by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps they just want to play on a TV because their laptop has a small screen, like all laptops? Further, even if this is a "pretty nice TV", odds are the laptop (keeping in mind that it is a gaming laptop) will support 1080p on some games and 720p on virtually all games (read: everything but Crysis).

    26. Re:Buy a console by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      There is a lot to think about if you want to actually be a good race driver - conserving your tyres/engine/gearbox (depending on how realistic the game is and how many laps you're doing), what the appropriate line to take through a corner is (while taking into account the next several corners - there's a lot more to driving quickly than just putting your foot down), slipstreaming if you are racing with other cars, considering your drivetrain


      This seems to be more involved than sex (they are a married couple, you know). Unless they're into the tantric kind.
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    27. Re:Buy a console by CSMatt · · Score: 1

      Actually, RedOctane still sells the old PS2 Guitars for $40, in both red and black.

    28. Re:Buy a console by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      many laptops can't put out an HDTV signal natively to take advantage of those resolutions on a TV screen.

      Untrue. I just picked up an HDTV to use as my computer monitor. I hooked it up with a VGA cable, and with a bit of fiddling in the NVidia control panel I had it outputting 1360x768. My work laptop is doing even better, driving a 1440x900 HD LCD Monitor while in its docking station. (Though the dock isn't actually a requirement. Just a convenience.)

      Video cards have had programmable output specs for years. Even the oldest NVidia, ATI, or Intel video card can output HD graphics. The absolute worst case is that you'll need to update your drivers to a newer revision.
    29. Re:Buy a console by somersault · · Score: 1

      Yeah, sex is generally not learned from a textbook ;) There are drivers that are 'naturals' too of course, knowing the physics isn't everything.. but it sure helps :P

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    30. Re:Buy a Console by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rtfa jerkwit

      for a math freak you sure know nothing about sunk costs

    31. Re:Buy a console by zerOnIne · · Score: 1

      This is true assuming your TV has a VGA input. If that's the case, you're doing just fine with whatever the laptop can push to external video. Of course a laptop's able to push out very high external resolutions-- it'd be silly to think otherwise. Heck, my eeePc can crank out plenty pixels to an external monitor.

      However, I was talking about a laptop's ability to push to a regular HDTV, which has to take into account the physical connection at play. My 720p/1080i set has component, composite, svideo, and HDMI, but not VGA. My laptop's capable of spitting out composite and s-video, neither of which will work with HD resolutions as best as I know. Now if you've got a laptop with DVI output (again, not quite common) then you could do the DVI-HDMI converter thing. So it's really not as simple as just plugging it in to a computer monitor.

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    32. Re:Buy a console by cleatsupkeep · · Score: 1

      Really? Well that's not a bad deal at all. I must have been thinking about wireless guitars.

    33. Re:Buy a Console by Tripster · · Score: 1

      Just go with a Wii as they're getting a bit easier to find. We just picked one up yesterday and my wife was instantly hooked on Wii Sports, and she generally hates sports. She was actually starting to sweat while playing tennis on it. We bought it for the reasons the OP states, something to play together. Upgrading the HTPC to handle running games at 1920x1080i was going to cost more than just getting the console, not to mention finding "fun" stuff to play would be tougher since she isn't into the FPS games I enjoy.

    34. Re:Buy a Console by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      There are many co-op PC games, I recommend rainbow 6:3 Raven Shield.

      You will learn to work together, or you will lose.

    35. Re:Buy a console by iainl · · Score: 1

      True, but then a Nintendo Wii is 250Euros here in Europe, so the comparison remains 60 somethings vs. 250 somethings, even though our "somethings" are supposed to be worth a lot more.

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  3. Mario Party.......seriously. by Aeron65432 · · Score: 1

    My friend is in virtually the same situation as you, and he and his wife love to play Mario Party, or ROMs from older console games in general.

  4. Lego Star Wars! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Lego Star Wars 1&2 works very well and has a good co-op feature.

    1. Re:Lego Star Wars! by OS24Ever · · Score: 2, Informative

      Coming soon too we have LEGO Raiders of the Lost Ark and such. It's amazing how fun that game is, especially with a competent second player.

      However, play it with a five year old, my god, you'll go insane. It's like playing Contra all over again.

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    2. Re:Lego Star Wars! by JeepFanatic · · Score: 1

      I too really enjoyed the Lego Star Wars games and am waiting for Lego Indiana Jones. I thought I heard that they're also coming out with Lego Batman too.

    3. Re:Lego Star Wars! by alta · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I play it with my 5 year old, he skips all the damn coins... drives me nuts. We're somewhere like 60% but the kids scratched it so there's 2 levels we can't play at all. Just got to the lego city, that was a disapointment... They've bought all the characters, most of the good power ups, only the 2x multiplier though... They keep spending the money on stuff they won't use. I think my favorite setup is the ewok with the explosive catapult and invincibility... Just walk up and kill everything. My son drives me crazy playing explosive robots. It's funny though, he gets mad at his 3 year old brother for slowing HIM down.

      We just bought defender used. It's ok. The kids can't handle the mission instructions (get the people, bring them somewhere safe, if an alien gets them get them back) but it doesn't matter because they love to just fly around and shoot at stuff, even if it's each other.

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    4. Re:Lego Star Wars! by dintech · · Score: 1

      Really the problem you're trying to solve here relates to the style of multiplayer gaming that girls enjoy most. Once you figure it out, I'm sure you'll be happy to fit along with that.

      I play Super Mario 3 with my girlfriend since she grew up in Japan playing it with her brother and so it has fond memories of home for her. Often I'll miss a feather or be facing the wrong way to catch the mushroom and she'll shout, "NO!!! Are you stupid?!" hehe. She's super competitive and knows where all the secrets and flute locations - I'm completely the weekest link. I think because she's better than me at this game in particular it's even more fun for her. So, even you are more competent, it's maybe best to let her win sometimes at whatever you play.

      I met her best friend on a trip to Osaka recently and she is a counter-strike fan but I'm yet to play against her. I want to practice a bit to avoid more embarrassment...

      Might I also suggest that you play single player games together that are easily split into sections or lifes, whichecver ends first. It's more co-operative and less competitive.

    5. Re:Lego Star Wars! by JosKarith · · Score: 2, Funny

      Am waiting for Lego The Breakfast Club now...

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    6. Re:Lego Star Wars! by OS24Ever · · Score: 1

      Yeah my daughter will constantly run off the edge dying and loosing all the bricks over and over, it's damn near impossible to get a gold brick out of one of those.

      The weirdest bug I've hit so far though was at the end of the ROTJ speeder bikes one. one of the characters got flipped behind the AT-AT and we couldn't get back up, so both couldn't stand on the pads to unlock whatever it was.

      The other challenge of a five year old is the 'new game over the old save gamed' feature. I never finished Chibi Robo because of that and didn't want to start over.

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    7. Re:Lego Star Wars! by alta · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, I know what you mean, my kids saved over it once, yikes.

      I got stuck in the emporer level by the door way to the room with nothing but a hole and a minikit.

      The worse was in the juntland wastes there's a place with a mud pit and a sloping wall beside it. I jumped to the wall, and slid in the mud and died. Each time it respawned me on the slope, I I had no traction to jump off and I'd fall in the mud. I eventually figured that if I dropped out and moved the other character far away the game would just move him somewhere safe.

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    8. Re:Lego Star Wars! by Malevolyn · · Score: 1

      Troll? I thought that was pretty funny. Isn't there starting to be a Lego version of just about everything these days? (Well, at a slow pace, anyway.)

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    9. Re:Lego Star Wars! by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 1

      Try playing it co-op with a 3-year-old. I really must be a patient person to do that. :) Of course, I do have to play for her every once in a while.

    10. Re:Lego Star Wars! by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      However, play it with a five year old, my god, you'll go insane. It's like playing Contra all over again.

      I used to be that kid! I'd try and play two-player with my cousin or some older friend. After a while I'd just give up and watch them play, oohing and aahing at how awesome they were.

      I specifically remember playing Contra once, where every time we'd get to a tricky jump, he'd have to kill off all the enemies, take my controller, hop through the jumps, and then we'd continue. I think I died off when we reached the waterfall level, because when one player got too far ahead, the screen would scroll up past the lagging player, killing me instantly.

    11. Re:Lego Star Wars! by dangitman · · Score: 1

      I'm waiting for Lego Lego.

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    12. Re:Lego Star Wars! by JeepFanatic · · Score: 1

      I'm waiting for Lego Lego. They have it already. It's called Lego Digital Designer.
  5. Stepmania by gatzke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Get a couple of USB dance pads and try out Stepmania, a free DDR clone.

    Or get a Wii. Tons of simple flash games through the browser. Fun and simple.

    1. Re:Stepmania by Oxy+the+moron · · Score: 1

      Or get a Wii. Tons of simple flash games through the browser. Fun and simple.

      Yeah, but I don't think there are many multiplayer games for the Wii via Flash. If there are, please point them out, as I'd like to try them for myself!

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    2. Re:Stepmania by avanderveen · · Score: 0

      They asked for a game they could play on a laptop connected to the TV. I like the Wii and all, but if you can play a flash game on a Wii you can definitely play it on a PC.

    3. Re:Stepmania by Xeldar · · Score: 1

      Stepmania is definitely a great choice for a game to play via laptop/hdtv. Great fun and good exercise too, and it's even more fun with 2 people playing at once.

      The game itself is free, you can download tons of songs for it for free (most of them legally too as far as I know).

      The only significant costs involved are the dance pads, and then only if you end up playing enough to get good at the game. You can pick up fairly cheap pads for $20 or less, but it's pretty much impossible to do the harder stuff using those cheap dance pads as is.

      I actually have my $20 dance pad stapled to some plywood and covered with some hard plastic to stabilize and protect the pad, but that was only after becoming completely addicted to the game, playing every day for 2 months straight.

    4. Re:Stepmania by gatzke · · Score: 1


      I think there are a few simple puzzle games for multi-player in flash. Maybe a couple of action games, but I have not tried them. Wiicade.com has a bunch of everything.

      I really just meant the Wii is fun and simple and you can do web stuff with it easily...

    5. Re:Stepmania by gatzke · · Score: 1


      And you can make your own songs too. When I gave a step pad to my wife for Xmas, I downloaded a bunch of songs but also made a few step songs for her using songs she and I both liked. The interface for custom songs is very easy to get into and produce something usable, assuming the song has a constant beat you can sync up to.

      We never got into it enough to upgrade the pads, and we never got the laptop to work with the home TV system. Recently we got the DDR game for the Wii and our pads still work through the gamecube ports (most pads have multiple connectors). We can have three people dancing using the Wii DDR game (and our sweet 52" TV)

    6. Re:Stepmania by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i totally support this. the initial inversion will only be the initial pads ($20 each?) and it is insanely fun. and you do exercise too.

      one think that i didnt like much was the fact that the majority of the songs you can download (p2p, internet) are japanese.

    7. Re:Stepmania by JPickard · · Score: 1

      I endorse the comments of parent, although I find stepmania is still fun with usb playstation style controllers.

  6. Get a zx spectrum emulator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Manic Miner, Jetset Willy, enuff said!

  7. Emulators by Oxy+the+moron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Get some old-school console emulators and play some of the great classics.

    I'm sure that what constitutes a "classic" will vary here on /., but I prefer some of the older Super NES games... Tetris Attack is awesome.

    You didn't hear that from me, though...

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    1. Re:Emulators by l33tDad · · Score: 1

      I agree ... Plus if you (or the wife) is handy with very simple electronics, you can build your own controller for an "arcade" like experience, especially if you use the MAME emulator. That is, if you're looking for arcade type games...

    2. Re:Emulators by xtracto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have to second this idea.

      Just get SNES9X and download some games. I used to play that with my GF:
      - Mario Kart (SNES version is one of the best ones)
      - Lemmings (2 player snes version quite good)
      - TMNT (2 player cooperative)
      - Top Gear (one of the few two player coop. racing games where even if one is good enough, both of you will be able to go through the game [and you can cooperate by trying to block the first place cars to make one of you win :P])
      - Super Contra (a bit more "man" oriented, but fun coop too).
      - Rock and Roll racing (another nice racing game).
      - Battletoads in Battlemaniacs (two player kind of coop... a bit difficult [but quite fun if you enable infinite lives cheat])
      - Bomberman (My girlfriend loves these ones. It is OK multiplayer)
      - Joe and Mac (really funny caveman characters, multiplayer coop)
      - Super Mario All Stars (I can never be left out! including Super Mario Bros 3, i have played it with my girlfriend from the beginning to the end)

      - Ninja Gaiden Trilogy (not really multiplayer, maybe not really very good, but it is my favourite game of all time [Ninja Gaiden II for the NES] so I had to include it here =oP)

      Those are all I can think of now. The reason I choose SNES is because such games are not as complex as todays' games; therefore you can just sit start it and begin playing without two hours of tutorial (I am looking at you Wii Zelda ).

      Also, I think the SNES had the best kind of cooperative multiplayer games... these days it is very difficult to find such games in any console. The only cooperative games are FPS like "halo" but they are a turn off for most girls or other "casual" players.

      And, the reason I don't choose Wii (even though I have one, which is in its box since I moved home 2 months ago) is because I hate mini-games, and all the multiplayer games from Nintendo are mini games (wiiware, mario party, rayman raymin rabbits, monkeyball banana... etc).

      Oh! and the last one I would suggest is Worms. That is a really good game in which I have spent hours with my girlfriend and other friends (even a friend who never had used a computer had no problem playing the N64 emulated game =oO)

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    3. Re:Emulators by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Anyone who goes the emulator way is going to need a good frontend. I've found Wah!cade to be an excellent multi-emulator front end on linux. It's designed mainly for MAME, but can be configured to launch any emulator.

      BTW, if you're going to emulate don't just stick to the same old consoles. There were a some great games for the Mattel Intellevision, Atari 800, NEC Turbografx, Sega Saturn, etc etc.

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    4. Re:Emulators by netsavior · · Score: 1

      Tetris Attack is awesome.

      Correction, Tetris Attack is a religious experience.
      For the record the exact same game has been released for various systems under the name "Pokemon Puzzle League" and "Puzzle League". I was stoked when I picked up a copy for my gameboy advance!

  8. ROMS by Coretron · · Score: 1

    ROMS and emulators my friend. Also, "You don't know jack" is a good multiplayer trivia game.

    1. Re:ROMS by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      Agreed.. I still find playing NES games more fun than the newest "holy shit look at those graphics" sort of games... use (mostly) NEStopia (2.15MB) and have some 700 ROMS/Games for it (99MB) ... weeks of gaming, at the expense of a couple minutes downloading...

    2. Re:ROMS by Chris+Acheson · · Score: 1

      How many times are you going to ask variations on the same question?

      How long is it going to take for you to realize that none of the people you're questioning care about imaginary property or your particular brand of legal toadyism?

    3. Re:ROMS by Coretron · · Score: 1

      dude, you don't need to copy the games yourself. Use this thing called The Internet to get them.

  9. "Hey everybody, look at me!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Not only do I have a girlfriend, but we're MARRIED, and she wants to play video games with me! Oh, did I mention she loves Linux?"

    1. Re:"Hey everybody, look at me!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jealous much?

    2. Re:"Hey everybody, look at me!" by xtracto · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      You forgot the:
      My wife is also a CS major so ...

      Judging from the CS girl friends in my department, I would say I am glad she is not my wife =oP. Unless she is from the Middle East (beautiful women go to Engineering and CS in Middle East countries)

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    3. Re:"Hey everybody, look at me!" by Tikkun · · Score: 2, Funny

      I live with my gf who likes anime, 4chan, linux, and is a babe.

      There is a trick to getting this to work: just talk about what you love (in my case computers and anime) to everyone you meet regardless of gender. The first person of the opposite sex that doesn't run away from you and isn't related to you (or your boss, teacher, etc.) is likely compatible.

    4. Re:"Hey everybody, look at me!" by crhylove · · Score: 3, Funny

      Picture or it's fake!!

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    5. Re:"Hey everybody, look at me!" by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Why is that modded funny? It's actually fairly sound advice!

  10. Emulators by Katchina'404 · · Score: 1

    Give a try to old console and arcade emulators. My wife is into SNES Mario and similar stuff.

    Although it's usually played with a mouse, the old Worms series is great fun as well.

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  11. You're doing it wrong ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think this is what you're trying to say:

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hide+the+sausage

    or maybe not ...

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Find+the+sausage

    1. Re:You're doing it wrong ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To me, "find the sausage" would be perhaps more of a derogatory comment on the size of one's equipment

  12. In the time... by Jumphard · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ...you took to post this inane question you could have driven down to your local *mart and purchased a Nintendo Wii, Playstation 1,2,3, Xbox, or a SNES.

    My advice - go buy a console if you want to have the most authentic "console-like" experience.

  13. The classics by jsnipy · · Score: 1

    Two controllers MAME + street fighter 2 = great time. Unfortunately when me and wife play its two controllers + MAME + puzzle bobble :/ Although it is not the most graphically gratifying there a tons of great classic (2p) games to be played on MAME and other emulators.

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    1. Re:The classics by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Ditto. MAME is a great choice for co-op games, there's a lot of classics available out there. A few weeks ago we played "Vendetta" with some friends and had a blast. It was like being 15 again.

    2. Re:The classics by somersault · · Score: 1

      You just reminded me of one of the most awesomest 2 player games ever.. I should try to find this on an emulator, and I highly recommend it to others:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Islands

      Admittedly I was probably about 10 when I played this, but I'm sure I'd still enjoy it :)

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  14. Fun for 2 on a PC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think she already had excluded vast majority of ways to have fun while playing on a computer. If not on an MMO and by looking for 2-players games, you are just left with console emulators.

    Try http://www.mamedev.org/ or Google'ing around for maybe not-so-old console emu's.

  15. Emulation by mcstudent · · Score: 1

    With a couple of game pads and any computer you can play just about the entire library of any classic system. I'm still addcited to some of the old SNES titles - Mario World, F-Zero, Starfox and Mario Kart. Seek and ye shall find.

    1. Re:Emulation by tepples · · Score: 0, Redundant

      With a couple of game pads and any computer you can play just about the entire library of any classic system So where do you lawfully get games for emulators?
  16. Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't mean to be presumptuous, but I would recommend you spend your spare time outside of your house exploring the world. You will have plenty of time to stay in the house if/when you decide to have children.

    1. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by Oxy+the+moron · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Speaking as a geek married with four kids, I say any time spent enjoying each other's company is good. You also make the assumption that they have the desire and means to get out and explore the world... I know we didn't early in our marriage.

      Not saying that exploring the world is bad, but I think if they really enjoy gaming together, it's better than a lot of other alternatives. :)

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    2. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by evilandi · · Score: 1

      You, sir, are entrely right.

      I never really thought about access for public footpaths, until I tried taking a pushchair over a stile and onto wet mud and loose gravel. The next plan - carry the baby - failed miserably within weeks, since my wife made the somewhat inconvenient mistake of feeding the baby. Neither myself nor the missus are what you might call slight, so our baby grew quite heavy before she could reliably walk.

      Furthermore, trying to walk from A to B with a toddler provides an experience similar to trying to walk from A to B with a herd of cats. It may be a perfectly run-of-the-mill walk for you, but for Annabel, it is a new experience every metre of the way. Look, a blade of grass! Look, another blade of grass that is slightly different from the first! Look, a dandelion!

      A month ago, we actually managed to get about half a mile from the car. It hailed. Annabel had never seen hailstones, except, apparently, in her nightmares. She screamed a lot.

      Now the only walking I get is around shopping centres.

      By the time she's old enough to go for long walks, I'll have died from lack of fresh air and exercise.

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    3. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by grommit · · Score: 1, Funny

      I think the chances of the OP and his wife not having any legs and being unable to go outside to explore the world is a bit slim.

    4. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plenty of time in the house, sure. But alone in front of your computer without being interrupted every 2 seconds? Forget about it.

    5. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by Lunatrik · · Score: 1

      Exploring the world...
      of Warcraft?

      Right?

      Or are you talking about something else?

    6. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by jacop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am a happily married husband with several kids, play while you still can. I still play in my free time, but free time is a rare commodity in my home. When I was first married, I actually had the time to get out, and play videogames. Why would you stay in the house once you have children? I have never met a child that did not want to explore the world.

    7. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he meant that there are so many other things to do than just sit and play games, especially when you have kids.

    8. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by berashith · · Score: 1

      My sons bedtime is around 7 pm. After this we sit quietly, have dinner, and then continue staying at home quietly. We can go out and do stuff one at a time, or hire a babysitter if we want to leave the house and remain in each others company.

      You are right that while the child is awake you can go have a blast, but there is a huge amount of my life that has become sedentary while waiting for the boy to become more self sufficient.

    9. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by Itchyeyes · · Score: 1

      Aww, it's so cute when people think they know how to run other people's lives.

    10. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by porcupine8 · · Score: 1
      Because people who play video games obviously have no other hobbies, right? We're all living in our parents' basements living on Cheetos and Mountain Dew. It's not like this guy and his wife have enough free time to explore outside and then, say, play video games after dark when the outdoors is less accessible/safe. Or that they possibly have out-of-the-home activities that they enjoy separately and then enjoy their gaming together.

      Don't mean to be presumptuous

      Sadly, you have failed at that. Why are you wasting your time on Slashdot? Shouldn't you be out exploring the world?

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    11. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The beauty of "getting out and exploring the world" is that it's one of the few remaining activities that doesn't require any "means." Here's an example that is decidedly geeky, always involves fresh air, and has scalable physical exertion requirements:
      Geocaching

      All you need is a handheld GPS, which can be had for less than $100:
      cheap Garmin from Amazon
      cheap Magellan from Amazon

    12. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't mean to be presumptuous, but I would recommend you spend your spare time outside of your house exploring the world. You will have plenty of time to stay in the house if/when you decide to have children. Q: "Hey, what games can we find to play?"
      A: Let me tell you how to live your life better.

      Awesome. It's like telling someone who asks the time to "get a f'n watch!"
    13. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think if they really enjoy gaming together, it's better than a lot of other alternatives. :)

      Like sex?
    14. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You don't mean to be presumptuous, but why don't they skip doing what they enjoy, and instead do what you think they should be enjoying?

      If you didn't mean to be presumptuous, but knew it was sufficiently presumptuous to include the disclaimer, then why did you bother posting? So that we all know that you go outdoors? Next thing you know we'll be hearing about how you don't own a television either.

    15. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my size 12's and her size 9's. Go to the park. P&J. Been there, done that. Now we have kids and we do the same with them. Before kids, I recommend Twister or Scrabble. Much better then Halo, when playing with the wife.

    16. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but I bet what with the mortgage, saving for a fiscally responsible future and kids doesn't leave a whole lot in the petty cash box for gallivanting around the world.

      It's called "settling down" for a reason.

    17. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by maglor_83 · · Score: 1

      Next thing you know we'll be hearing about how you don't own a television either. I used to not own a television.
  17. Wii. by commanderfoxtrot · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Wii.

    Much simpler- fewer wires.

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    1. Re:Wii. by crossmr · · Score: 1

      really?
      Wii
      1 Power bar
      1 sensor bar
      1 a/v cable

      Laptop
      1 power bar
      1 video cable
      built-in blue tooth game pads
      oops..
      not so much...

  18. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  19. Get a wii. by Ustice · · Score: 1

    You won't regret it.

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  20. Play Scorch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a turn-based battle-tank game my whole family enjoys. There's probably a version for your operating system. Your turn has two parts, a battle turn, and a purchasing turn, where you can buy more/better guns, missiles, shields, etc.

    Make sure you stock up on parachutes

  21. you're doing it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The best game to play is "HIDE the sausage"!

    1. Re:you're doing it wrong by whopub · · Score: 1

      Are you sure there's a PC version of that one? I hear it's great but I'm having trouble finding it...

  22. Lego Star Wars 1&2 by PinbalI · · Score: 2, Informative

    Lego Star Wars 1&2 can be played on PC with either keyboard or controller and has a good co-op function. You can probably find a torrent of it easy enough.

    1. Re:Lego Star Wars 1&2 by PinbalI · · Score: 1

      Also I do believe some of the Need for Speed games support split screen as well as Flatout 1&2.

  23. And the $500 modchip by tepples · · Score: 0, Troll

    Just buy a console. That can be more expensive than a PC. An Xbox 360 console (USA version) costs $844: $349 for the console and $99 per year for a 5-year subscription to XNA Creators Club, which is required to run any title that isn't published by a large company.
    1. Re:And the $500 modchip by TriezGamer · · Score: 1

      ...Because the only games worth playing are made by small companies and independent groups...

      Right.

    2. Re:And the $500 modchip by Justin+Hopewell · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why you even brought up XNA. There's no reason to shell out $500.00 for five years of unfinished indie games. Besides, Xbox Live Arcade houses a few good games with local multiplayer, many of which are not published by large companies. I don't think you even need a Gold (paid) Live membership to buy them, either.

    3. Re:And the $500 modchip by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and a hamburger costs more than a steak, so long as you need to buy a house in which to eat the burger.

  24. I have a game.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't you take off her clothes and play doctor?

  25. Gametap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Gametap.com. I like that. Go to walmart and buy a controller adapter for usb and you can both play games, old and new, arcade and console, from your laptop.

    1. Re:Gametap by dollar99 · · Score: 1

      What he said... Try the free trial.

    2. Re:Gametap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here here. This is the best suggestion on here. Gametap turns your computer into a console without you having to do hardly any work at all.

    3. Re:Gametap by Lunch2000 · · Score: 1

      I agree, great selection of games and only a few bucks a month, takes care of my gaming fix.

  26. Emulation is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Depending on what kind of graphics you have your experience may vary. But M.A.M.E, ePSXe,Gens ,Kega Fusion, ZSNES, or Project 64 may be what you are looking for and there are a million site to find games ( Roms) remember Google is your friend.

  27. Trackmania! by pl1ght · · Score: 1

    Trackmania id say. Its a very fun addicting game, and while i dont believe it has a Split Screen mode. It has a hotseat mode to take turns doing tracks. Plus there are two free versions of the games, which are both very full featured, Trackmania Nations and the just released Trackmania Forever.

    1. Re:Trackmania! by larpon · · Score: 1

      I second that... Quite nice fun!

    2. Re:Trackmania! by The_Angry_Canadian · · Score: 1

      Very good and very fun game and frankly, cant beat the price.

    3. Re:Trackmania! by Chruisan · · Score: 1

      Ditto! Plays well with a gamepad. Online mode is great, too. You can download on Steam.

  28. Mod Parent Up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parent? Get it? ha

  29. You should check... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the Hot Coffee mod for GTA. What, it's not multiplayer you say? Well, SCREW YOU then! ;-)

  30. continuum/ subspace by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Informative

    a head designer was the guy who coined the term mmorpg. it is in fact the first (graphical, sorry mudders) example of an mmorpg

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubSpace_(computer_game)

    its like the original asteroids, without the asteroids, and instead a maze of a bunch of other ships (random people from around the world)

    i think a lot of slashdotters messed with it 10 years ago, and forgot about it

    however, i recently rediscovered it (its free now) and was surprised to find a lot of zones still heavily populated. each zone has a different variation on the basic ship types and their abilities. you can waste 5 minutes or half an hour on it, to great effect

    nothing like meeting a guy in a tank from finland, dodging his mine, blowing him away, while a guy from china materializes out of cloak and shoots you in the back. its cheap and easy mmorpg fun without the massive time commitment something like WoW demands

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    1. Re:continuum/ subspace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you count Orb Wars(used to be on GEnie) and CyberStrike, both from Simutronics. I guess it depends on what you decide is "massively", at a given time.

    2. Re:continuum/ subspace by happyfrogcow · · Score: 1

      a head designer was the guy who coined the term mmorpg. it is in fact the first (graphical, sorry mudders) example of an mmorpg

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubSpace_(computer_game)

      its like the original asteroids, without the asteroids, and instead a maze of a bunch of other ships (random people from around the world)

      i think a lot of slashdotters messed with it 10 years ago, and forgot about it

      however, i recently rediscovered it (its free now) and was surprised to find a lot of zones still heavily populated. each zone has a different variation on the basic ship types and their abilities. you can waste 5 minutes or half an hour on it, to great effect

      nothing like meeting a guy in a tank from finland, dodging his mine, blowing him away, while a guy from china materializes out of cloak and shoots you in the back. its cheap and easy mmorpg fun without the massive time commitment something like WoW demands Having played SS/Continuum for about 3 or 4 years, I can't in good faith call it a mmorpg. MMO, yes. RPG no. Even some of the more "creative" arenas were strategy based games.

      It is however, highly entertaining. WZCTF, ftw.

      Go green, neg.
    3. Re:continuum/ subspace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think Subspace was a role-playing game, you're on crack.

    4. Re:continuum/ subspace by Creepy · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure some MUDs had graphical clients long before that came out, but they still were essentially multiplayer adventure games and cycled in turns (you attack, they attack, rinse, repeat). I remember hearing about graphical MUDs back in the early 1990s when I was stuck on a terminal based mini (6 1MHz processors - the good ol' days ;) ).

    5. Re:continuum/ subspace by Anxarcule · · Score: 1

      One of the key elements of the MMORPG genre is the notion of a persistent world, or persistent state gaming. Continuum/Subspace doesn't have that. It's really more akin to a FPS than a RPG or MMORPG.

    6. Re:continuum/ subspace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats funny, I thought the orginial Neverwinter Nights on AOL was the first Graphical MMOORPG!?!?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverwinter_Nights_%28AOL_game%29

    7. Re:continuum/ subspace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not entirely true. While most servers don't have persistent upgrades, there have been recent advances that allow this and at there is at least one zone (Hyperspace) where it is actively being used.

    8. Re:continuum/ subspace by Eil · · Score: 1

      I remember having great fun in subspace a decade ago, but I don't think it qualifies as an MMORPG because the zones are neither massive nor is the game an RPG.

  31. Lego Star War I & II by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, get an old PS2 (one of the smaller silver ones, been out for years - should be cheap).

    My girl loves playing Lego Star Wars, it's cutesy and simple enough to start with, has elements of puzzling to it, can be a little challenging in places and is a hell of a lot of fun.

  32. Buy a Console by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In all seriousness, the total hardware cost of two gamepads, a TV out connector and a laptop graphics card needed to run the latest games will more than likely overrun the cost of just buying a PS2 or a Wii, Your spouse's tastes scream console gaming. No strategy games or RPGs? What does that leave? FPSes? Good luck finding a co-op FPS title.

    For Co-op play, console is King. There are a myriad of two player titles out there to cater for all tastes, and co-op is something that even gets included in some one player titles, owing to its popularity.

    PCs are not designed for what you're looking for. Consoles are, and they are cheaper, faster, easier and offer a better selection of titles. Just buy the damn Wii.

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  33. You could try... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dance Dance Revolution for the PC. You'd need some dance pads but it's a fun and great way to get some exercise. http://pc.ign.com/objects/640/640958.html

  34. Smash Bros by FredFredrickson · · Score: 1

    I have a subscription to Gametap, and I've been very happy with that and my usb game controllers. It's got some multiplayer games, and some single player games. A lot of games from older consoles too.

    Aside from that I recommend getting n64 roms and playing smash bros till you pass out.

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    1. Re:Smash Bros by tepples · · Score: 0, Troll

      Aside from that I recommend getting n64 roms Which N64 copier do you recommend, and where do you recommend buying it? I tried searching Google, but that turned up a lot of "want to buy a used copier" posts on forums, not online stores offering to sell goods.
    2. Re:Smash Bros by satoshi1 · · Score: 1

      It's just easier to find the roms on a torrent site.

  35. Steam Steam Steam by binary-refinery · · Score: 1

    I have fallen in love with AudioSurf from Valve.. it's only limit is your music collection..

    1. Re:Steam Steam Steam by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 1

      The Orange Box (HL2 series, Portal, Team Fortress 2) should also be a good choice (Portal Especially.)

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    2. Re:Steam Steam Steam by binary-refinery · · Score: 1

      Hell yeah, and on linux soon too woopeeeey!!!

    3. Re:Steam Steam Steam by FnordX · · Score: 1

      And there is also the ability to play two players in AudioSurf.

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  36. Kick It Old Skool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I purchased a nintendo for my wife some years ago. We play tetris, mario, and about a billion other games. If you shop around you can buy an old console for probably 50 bucks or so, and your games run you a 1-5 dollars. You can sub in Sega Genisis/NEOGeo or whatever for the console system she's familiar with. OR hit up the Wii, with which you can DL all the old classics from any of the older systems and play. Also, the older consoles with 2 buttons and a D-pad are great for the young gamers to be. trying to teach a 3-6 year old super mario is tons easier than Halo3. trust me.

    And for the "Think of the Kids" response, we also participate in sunlight related activities.

  37. Ok this is what you do. by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    The issue with most PC Games even Multi-Player is they expect one person for PC, so they are normally networked for multi-player.
    Get 2 USB Keypads, and a Copy of VMWare. Install 2 OS the VMWare and copy of each game on it. setup the virtual network correctly and Link one USB Keypad to each VM. Now Resize the VM Windows so you have Split Screen. And there 2 of you can play games at once (even 2 different ones if you feel like it) on your laptop all for the price of getting a console.

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    1. Re:Ok this is what you do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The issue with most PC Games even Multi-Player is they expect one person for PC, so they are normally networked for multi-player.
      Get 2 USB Keypads, and a Copy of VMWare. Install 2 OS the VMWare and copy of each game on it. setup the virtual network correctly and Link one USB Keypad to each VM. Now Resize the VM Windows so you have Split Screen. And there 2 of you can play games at once (even 2 different ones if you feel like it) on your laptop all for the price of getting a console. Last time I checked vmware doesn't support 3d rendering outside of software emulation... And also have you ever tried running two vms in a laptop and then try to run two cpu intensive programs (in this case games) in them.... Have fun with that.

      If you already have 2 gamepads, just emulate. Anything from the N64 and PS1 era and earlier have almost been perfected in terms of emulation and the PS2 is perfectly playable in many games (albeit with a good graphics card).
    2. Re:Ok this is what you do. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Well I don't know about VMWare I know Parallels has hardware 3d Rendering support (at a usable level). Also most games are not designed for duel cores, and most new...Good Laptops come with duel cores processors. Although it wil run a bit slower (not a high end gammer box, there is a good chance that it will run smoothly enough to be playable and fun. You may not always get the latest greatest but you can get a generation behind games.

      You can have this as an option with having the emulated games too. There isn't any reason why you can't do both.

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  38. Legal ROMs? by tepples · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Get some old-school console emulators and play some of the great classics. So where do you recommend that members of the general public buy a cartridge copier so that they can dump their authentic Super NES Game Paks into ROM files for the PC?
    1. Re:Legal ROMs? by Oxy+the+moron · · Score: 1

      So where do you recommend that members of the general public buy a cartridge copier so that they can dump their authentic Super NES Game Paks into ROM files for the PC?

      I don't have a suggestion for that... I play Tetris Attack by putting the cartridge in my SNES and turning it on, and I'll keep doing that until it hits Virtual Console so I can play it on my Wii.

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    2. Re:Legal ROMs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screw that. Roms for SNES are abandonware anyhow. Just use bittorrent, I don't think the publishers of Super Punch Out will hunt you down for downloading a few SNES roms.

    3. Re:Legal ROMs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Games want to be free, you insensitive clod!

    4. Re:Legal ROMs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AFAIK as long as you OWN the game, you can download a backup copy legally. You don't have to copy it yourself.

    5. Re:Legal ROMs? by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

      Roms for SNES are abandonware anyhow. What makes you say that? Nintendo has not abandoned copyright in Super NES games. They are still being republished on Virtual Console.
    6. Re:Legal ROMs? by tepples · · Score: 1
      Anonymous Coward wrote:

      AFAIK as long as you OWN the game, you can download a backup copy legally. In that case, it appears you don't know very far, at least in the United States. See UMG v. MP3.com .
    7. Re:Legal ROMs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't you know? You can download them all over internet.

    8. Re:Legal ROMs? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I recommend members of the general public relax and be cool. You're more likely to be hit by an asteroid than sued for sharing SNES roms.

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    9. Re:Legal ROMs? by Chris+Acheson · · Score: 1

      I recommend that members of the general public simply download game ROMs from the internet, imaginary property be damned.

    10. Re:Legal ROMs? by JosKarith · · Score: 3, Funny

      Which isn't very reassuring if the ROM in question is Asteroids...

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    11. Re:Legal ROMs? by justkarl · · Score: 1

      Excellent advice. "Nobody's gonna hurt anybody. We're gonna be like three little Fonzies here. And what's Fonzie like?" Cooool.

    12. Re:Legal ROMs? by Jaqenn · · Score: 1

      ConsoleClassix.com is a site which maintains a warehouse full of old game cartridges. They have a client which allows you to browse their library, check out a copy of the cartridge online, and play it in an emulator. They will only allow one person to play the game for every copy of the game they have in their warehouse.

      They claim that this approach means they are not pirating the ROMs, since they have a 1:1 ratio of ROMs to physical cartridges.

      I don't work for them, but I think the idea is really interesting.

      (I recite the above information from the legal manifesto which used to be on their website. I can't find it now, so I don't know if their approach has changed.)

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    13. Re:Legal ROMs? by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      What makes you say that? Nintendo has not abandoned copyright in Super NES games. They are still being republished on Virtual Console. Your post, as well as the OP, should be modded "-1, Urban Legend", as they both have points based in fact, yet are incorrect when taken as a whole. I'll try and untangle the mess.

      Some of the confusion here stems from the use of the term "abandonware". The OP is not correct in saying that (all) SNES roms are abandonware. However, the case of CherryRoms shows that most SNES roms are fine to download. To stay legal, just find a ROM site that complies with takedown notices.

      Moving on, it's unfortunate that you added to the confusion over terms by inventing the action of "abandoning copyright". I'm pretty sure this is not an actual legal term, as I've never heard of a person or company filing their "copyright abandonment" papers with the copyright office. The correct thing to say here would be "Nintendo still holds the copyright to their Super NES games".

      Further, your statement about Nintendo holding the copyrights to their SNES games is completely unsubstantiated. The obvious retort to this is "obviously they do because of the Berne Convention". However this reply fails to account for how business is actually done: video game companies often farm out development or other aspects of game making to third parties. Have you researched whether all these copyrights were transferred (and transferred correctly) to Nintendo? Also, I've read of companies sometimes putting their copyrights into the public domain as tax writeoffs. Have you researched whether Nintendo's done this? If you haven't, you really shouldn't make such broad claims about the copyrights they hold, as you have no way of knowing if that claim is correct.

      I'd also like to clarify some other ambiguous aspects of your post before they create further confusion:

      1. Nintendo has not abandoned copyright in Super NES games.

      This statement could be interpreted to mean that Nintendo holds the copyright for all SNES games. This is not the case.

      2. They are still being republished on Virtual Console.

      This is rather nitpicky, but it's important to note that something can still be "published", even if it's fallen into the public domain (e.g. go to a bookstore's "classics" section). If this were the case, it would not be correct to claim that a Nintendo holds that copyright.
    14. Re:Legal ROMs? by Dragoon235 · · Score: 1

      It really pisses me off that they expect me to pay a couple bucks per game when I own the original cartridges. besides, NES has just as many eclectic controllers as the Wii (so why upgrade?): ROB, stomp pad, power glove, arcade pad, "wireless" IR controller adapter, touchpad controller...and we can't forget the zapper...

  39. Gaming...Laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you can afford one the those over priced pieces of junk you can afford a Wii, a Xbox360 and a PS3.

  40. FIFA/ProEvo by hooloovoo9 · · Score: 1

    If you're not too averse to sports games, I strongly recommend EA GAMES FIFA Soccer 2008 (or any of the FIFA games) or Konami has a good one out too... Pro Evolution Soccer 2008.

  41. Never mind games by Toreo+asesino · · Score: 4, Funny

    Jesus, if you've got to resort to games this early on in marriage, that's not a good sign.

    Sexual deviance, man! That's what you need to try; your "find the sausage" game sounds like a good start. You're married, it's ok to do that now!

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    1. Re:Never mind games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Besides, who says you can't combine sexual deviance and video games? Can ya say "force feedback"? The story right below this one on Slashdot has some promising titles:

      "Wired.com had an opportunity to play all three games, Rapid Onset, Vital Passage and Sudden Thrust."

      It doesn't take a Sigmund Freud to see what's going on there...
    2. Re:Never mind games by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      If anything it's better to share games than to sit idle and stare at a screen while a non interactive movie or TV show plays. Games require some thought and action, even if it is minimal.

    3. Re:Never mind games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll sexond that. Ops, second that.

  42. Re:a relatively newly married young couple? by aug24 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So what part of "No 'Find the Sausage' jokes" did you not understand?

    And what illiterate dickhead modded you Insightful?

    (God, I hate teenagers.)

    J.

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  43. ROMs and Emulators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you already have the game pads, the easiest and cheapest way to play old school console games is to download ROMs and Emulators. If you do a google search, you will be bombarded with choices.

  44. Re:a relatively newly married young couple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we need quality gaming advice, preferably games which we can play with a single laptop connected to a single large screen, with two gamepads, a console-like experience. What are your suggestions? Sounds to me like a reverse cowboy, video cam plugged into the flat screen on the ceiling fits the description. Your console, her game pads.
  45. Re:a relatively newly married young couple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    definitely; i'm recently married and the last game I'm playing with my young, way too hot wife is a video game.

  46. Lego Star Wars by Rhys · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ep1-3 and 4-6 are both excellent and are PC-available.

    I think guitar hero has a PC port, if you're into rhythm games. (ba-dum-ching!)

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    1. Re:Lego Star Wars by Freedryk · · Score: 1

      Seconded. My wife and I played through the whole thing together on PC, and she doesn't even like video games; she made an exception for this one.

    2. Re:Lego Star Wars by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      If you have a USB keyboard for your laptop, check out Frets on Fire. PC FreeWare version of Guitar Hero using a keyboard for a guitar. Comes with an app to import Guitar Hero songs.

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    3. Re:Lego Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Lego Star Wars was so good on PS2, My girlfriend and I went and got the Xbox versions (to carry over the save game, and have slightly better graphics). Upon buying my PS3, her first question was "can we play Lego on this?" and within days we had gotten "Complete Saga". Lego + 1080p + game time with the girlfriend = priceless.

      My suggestion? Just suck up and get a PS3. It can do PS1, PS2, PS3 and downloadable games, as well as play Bluray disks, Upconvert DVDs to 1080p, and there's rumors (yesterday on this site, even) that the PS3 may get downloadable movies, too. That's way more things to do with a single device than you'll ever find time for.

    4. Re:Lego Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Second vote for Lego Star Wars, my wife and I played these together on the pc--just get two cheap game pads. Also, Lego Indiana Jones is coming out soon.

    5. Re:Lego Star Wars by Spinalcold · · Score: 1

      There's an open source copy of Guitar Hero called Frets on Fire. There's tons of songs for it, I have about 1000. You can even program your own songs into it. You can use the keyboard to play it or you can pick up a Guitar Hero controler like me and get a USB converter.

      I'm pretty much a strict PC gamer myself, meaning the consols I have are the SNES and NES. The current games I've been playing are Orange Box, Audiosurf and Natural Selection . The last which is my favorite game of all time, it's a cross between FPS and RTS, best of all, it's free. The 3 games listed here are cheep (or free) so it won't cost you much to get some good games.

    6. Re:Lego Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, Guitar Hero has its own open-source clone, Frets on Fire. There are also other clones like Guitar Zero, but I'm not familiar with them. I recommend using one of FoF's better mods like RF-mod (less crashes, better performance, and a more GH-like experience, including two-player mode). Buy a couple of PS2 GH guitars and PS2->USB adapters, or just plain USB guitars, and you'll have a console-like GH experience on PC.

    7. Re:Lego Star Wars by Rorgg · · Score: 1

      Lego Star Wars is really excellent for casual gaming. My 3-year-old daughter got on a SW kick recently, and we bought some goodies for her. LSW2 looked like something fun I could play with her watching and making suggestions. I've found myself also playing it at night after she goes to bed a bit. Allows for 2-player co-op too.

  47. Serious Sam by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    Serious Sam is one of the few PC games that allows you to do split screen, so I would suggest trying that out, it's a great experience! Saves you from trying to set up a home lan just to play with one friend. Wacky Races by Apogee is another great game that allows split screen play on PC. There are a few Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat games ported to PC as well. Other than this, unfortunately co-op and multiplayer console style games on a single PC are really hard to come by.

  48. EDIT: Ooops by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 1

    I missed the two-player, one laptop requirement from the question.

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  49. Re:a relatively newly married young couple? by onion2k · · Score: 4, Funny

    So what part of "No 'Find the Sausage' jokes" did you not understand?

    This is Slashdot, so I'm going to guess "all of it".

    What did I win?
  50. "Find the Sausage"? by BUL2294 · · Score: 1

    Do you then make a sausage taco?

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  51. Hey, how can this be!? by larpon · · Score: 1

    Jay Miner died in 1994?!!1

    oookay.. on topic, and in refference to your nick...

    You could try one of the many UAE amiga emulators out there (E-UAE, WinUAE)... although the Amiga was kind of a hybrid Console/PC it had alot of good games many of which was focused on 2 player action.

    These will probably be better with joysticks than gamepads... And I'm not sure if any of the UAE's actually supports gamepad-like devices :|

    Well.. Worth a try?

    1. Re:Hey, how can this be!? by jayminer · · Score: 1

      Very nice of you to recognize Jay Miner. As my nickname suggests, I already own many Amigas and games we play with guys when we get together, but my wife doesn't like them.

  52. Buy a console by Wylfing · · Score: 1

    Really. Just buy one instead of trying to shoehorn a laptop into the role. As a new couple with (presumably) no kids yet, you can spare the change. In fact, if you're really price-conscious, go buy a 1st-gen Xbox for $25 or so and pick up some games at mom-and-pop used game stores for $5-$10 apiece. There are plenty of split-screen shooters and racers for the original Xbox that you two can spend countless hours on.

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  53. Console-like fun ey? by MadKeithV · · Score: 2, Funny

    For the console-like fun experience, you need a stick, a sharpening tool, and one of your eyes.

    Nintendo-Hard, look it up.

    (I kid, I kid).

  54. ROMs by maclizard · · Score: 0
  55. Use a PS2 controller w/ a USB adapter by ChrisPaulsworth · · Score: 1

    When using an emulator you can buy a USB adapter and then use PS2 controllers rather than cheapo ones made for the computer. http://www.amazon.com/Playstation-PC-USB-Gamepad-Converter/dp/B000F6BGXY I would assume they also make them for other game system controllers too, but I haven't looked

  56. Emulators are the way to go by loafula · · Score: 1

    Download a console emulator. Look them up on google. They are tiny pieces of software that emulate older console's hardware. Look for the ROM packs on BitTorrent- they are 600MB - 2GB depending on the system you choose, and usually include EVERY GAME EVER MADE for the console they correspond to. The emulators usually run flawlessly too.

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  57. Why not buy a console? by ObiWanStevobi · · Score: 1

    I'd say just buy a console or two. A Wii/360 combo may keep you both happy. My wife is not a gamer but loves the Wii. Personally, I really don't like the Wii. It will not satisfy the hardcore gamer. The 360 has many good titles worth checking into, Halo, Mass Effect, Gears of War, Dead Rising, Oblivion, and Orange Box, to name a few.

  58. Old Dos Games by sherriw · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    There are tons of free, fun arcade style games at: www.dosgamesarchive.com.

    Many of them will run on newer computers with minimal trouble.

    1. Re:Old Dos Games by sherriw · · Score: 1

      How is this modded off topic? The OP asked for suggestions for arcade style games. I provided a link to a site with lots of old-but-free arcade games. How is that offtopic??

  59. Atari 2600 by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Here's a site showing the best atari games ever complete with the awesome box covers. So real gems in there, many you probably never heard of. Get an emulator and enjoy the nostalgia.

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    1. Re:Atari 2600 by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1

      I still love going back to look at old video game box art. The art promised so much. Some of it looked like the art came off of covers for Choose Your Own Adventure books. The Psygnosis covers were some of the best ever - Roger Dean masterpieces. Box art today doesn't reach me as well as the classic stuff did.

  60. MASHED! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashed
    a bit older, but a lot of fun

  61. buy a ps2 and lego starwars by jabjoe · · Score: 1

    buy a ps2 and lego starwars. Even if you don't like starwars. My partner and I played through both games together and it was great fun. We are waiting for lego indiana jones! Most fun co-op series I've ever played.

    1. Re:buy a ps2 and lego starwars by slim · · Score: 1

      You can get Lego Star Wars for PC.

  62. Come on, are you serious!? by NetNinja · · Score: 1

    Slashdot allowed this question be posted?

    Mod me to hell but I think honey and hubby can do things more worthwhile i.e. "Find the sausage". Than to figure out what video game stimulates them.

  63. Remember my.mp3.com? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Good Will. Garage Sales. Then download them. It's just a Media Shift, it's gray area. That is not what the judge said in UMG v. MP3.com . You have to make the copy directly from a Game Pak, not from the Internet.
    1. Re:Remember my.mp3.com? by p43751 · · Score: 1

      then add: Say You downloaded from the one You bought.

    2. Re:Remember my.mp3.com? by It'sYerMam · · Score: 1

      That ruling seems to imply that the ROM site would be in trouble, not necessarily the user.

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    3. Re:Remember my.mp3.com? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Good Will. Garage Sales. Then download them. It's just a Media Shift, it's gray area.

      That is not what the judge said in UMG v. MP3.com . You have to make the copy directly from a Game Pak, not from the Internet.


      Technically, no. You can copy CDs to MP3s, but you cannot actually dump ROMs, except for backwards compatibility development as a developer (the courts will decide - you have to be developing something that needs the dump). It's the reason why Connectix won (Sony v. Connectix, appeal) with its Virtual Game Station product. Initially, they lost...

      Turns out, ROMs are treated as "mask works" which disallow shifting to an electronic format. The only "fair use" you have is actually burning a copy of the ROM onto another ROM (to replace one that went bad, for example).

      Crazy copyright laws. The only real savior is the fact that it's really hard to prosecute anyone over this.

      The other exception is if there's actually a legal distribution of the ROM - there was a company (out of business) that sold ROMs legally for MAME (copyright holder permission and all), and some companies did actually make ROM images available (pinball), though some companies, seeing even pinball machines get emulated, promptly withdrew their ROM images, forcing everyone to use their "preferred" distributor for ROM updates. Gottlieb is the first who started it...
    4. Re:Remember my.mp3.com? by LunarCrisis · · Score: 1

      Pretending to follow the law isn't the same thing as actually following it.

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    5. Re:Remember my.mp3.com? by Danse · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Pretending to follow the law isn't the same thing as actually following it. Actually following it makes little sense when the law is as convoluted and ridiculous as copyright law is today.
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    6. Re:Remember my.mp3.com? by LunarCrisis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's debatable, and I'm not saying you're wrong. The GG...GP asked a specific question though, and that was whether you could do it _without_ breaking the law.

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    7. Re:Remember my.mp3.com? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you want to actually follow the law, you won't get out the door in the morning. It's almost inevitable that you will break some law today - fail to fix a minor building code violation in your house, use a pesticide or disinfectant in a manner contrary to its labeling, break a minor traffic law...there are so many laws that no one can hope to be compliant with them all.

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    8. Re:Remember my.mp3.com? by twistedsymphony · · Score: 2, Interesting

      you can technically do it without breaking the law, it's just expensive and requires a high level of expertise to construct the ripping mechanism.

      at that point it'd be easier just picking up some old hardware too. Obviously by ripping your NES carts you'd miss out on the enthralling experience of blowing on the connector to get the damn thing to boot.

    9. Re:Remember my.mp3.com? by twistedsymphony · · Score: 1

      IIRC there are a few ROMs from popular games that are legal to share/download. Also a few of the arcade stick manufacturer (like X-Arcade) have made deals with a few license owners to include legal MAME roms with their product.

    10. Re:Remember my.mp3.com? by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

      You can copy CDs to MP3s, but you cannot actually dump ROMs Citation needed. And don't immediately bring in Atari v. JS&A; that case rejected 17 USC 117(b), not 117(a) which covers adaptations that are necessary for use of a program on a given computer system.

      Turns out, ROMs are treated as "mask works" which disallow shifting to an electronic format. A mask work is a set of images. Notice that exclusive rights in mask works don't include preparing derivative works. Moreover, they last only 10 years, meaning the NES and Super NES libraries' mask work rights have expired, and the exclusive right that applies to those games is ordinary copyright.
    11. Re:Remember my.mp3.com? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      that was actually pretty insightful!

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    12. Re:Remember my.mp3.com? by CheShACat · · Score: 1

      For the sake of all this, he could just plug his lappy into the tv and play flash based clones of said classix on the Internet and live completely guilt free.

      Of course, I just play em emulated on my xbox like everyone else.

    13. Re:Remember my.mp3.com? by atraintocry · · Score: 1

      Ironically, what caused the NES to refuse to boot most of the time was the copy protection system -- the 10NES lockout chip.

      It is more sensitive to a weak connection than the rest of the contacts. The blinking screen & light is not a bug but the the result of the lockout chip doing its job. It will continually reset the CPU in the absence of proper authentication.

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  65. Get an original XBox... by drgould · · Score: 1

    ... and softmod it.

    Then you can play original XBox games (which are cheap now), run emulators to play old NES and SNES games and run XBMC so you can use it as your multimedia center.

  66. Don't get a console by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I figured I would log on to an Ask Slashdot and sure enough everyone would be suggesting consoles. This is the last thing we need, when it comes to gaming.
    I feel that World of Warcraft is good for two people to play and seeing the game is a lot more fun when you play with people you know in real life that is a great suggestion.

    I also recommend getting the Half Life 2 Orange Box, and yes I know that you can get it on a console too but IMO FPSs will never compare to a PC experience. Portal alone is enough to send you both into tears from laughing.

    Crysis has a great storyline combined with some of the best game play I have seen in a while.

    Just whatever you do, don't get a console. All you will get is re-branded sports games, FPSes with shitty controls and maybe one actually good game every now and then.

    Even a good SNES emulator i.e ZSNES is a whole lot more then current console offerings. You can play Chrono Trigger, FF6 and a lot of other classic games you can not play on any current platform other then PC via emulation.

    1. Re:Don't get a console by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Just whatever you do, don't get a console. All you will get is re-branded sports games, FPSes with shitty controls and maybe one actually good game every now and then.


      Let's take a look at which console games I have within reach. FFXII, The Bards Tale, Champions of Norrath, Diablo, Hot Shots Golf 3 and Fore, Final Fantasy VII, Justice League Heroes, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel, Hunter the Reckoning: Wayward, Champions of Norrath: Return to Arms, Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance, X-Men Legends, SOCOM II, Midway Arcade Treasures 2, Dark Cloud 2, Pirates: The Legend of Black Kat, Gauntlet Dark Legacy, Lord of the Rings: The Third Age, Magic Pengel, Okage: The Shadow King, Defender, RPG Maker II, ICO, RPG Maker 3, Half-Life, Beyond Good and Evil, Everquest Online Adventures Frontiers.

      I think the lowest rated games of that list are Okage and the Hunter game, the rest would be 7's and 8's on a 1-10 scale, with some 9's and a 10 or two. Only one of them is an FPS, and that one has keyboard and mouse support. Now your friends who had consoles may have been "Madden and Halo only" gamers, but there's more to consoles than sports games.

      Even a good SNES emulator i.e ZSNES is a whole lot more then current console offerings. You can play Chrono Trigger, FF6 and a lot of other classic games you can not play on any current platform other then PC via emulation.


      You did know you can play Chrono Trigger and FFVI on the PS1, PS2 and PS3. In fact the PS2/PS3 are the only systems that can play every currently mainline Final Fantasy game but one, FFIII.
  67. Super Bomberman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Super Bomberman! Get a SNES emulator, and a couple of controllers. My girlfriend also likes Peggle.

  68. Frets on Fire by BlackTarw · · Score: 1

    is a great Guitar hero clone, if you want to spend some money get Guitar Hero III, but be warned it is very buggy. http://fretsonfire.sourceforge.net/

  69. Buy Two DS's by neveragain4181 · · Score: 1

    By completely ignoring what you asked for I would recommend you buy two Nintendo DS's and just wireless a couple of games. My wife and I do this and it's (a) no hassle, just works (b) great fun and (c) when one of you doesn't want to do it the other can watch tv...

  70. Genres by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

    I hope she likes fighting, FPS, sports or puzzle games, cause that's about all you have left multiplayer-wise. I'm not even to sure about the puzzle games.

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  71. Lego Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have Lego Star Wars on the television via PC, and it is surprisingly fun. It is multiplayer and definatley designed for a controler. I use Playstation controlers and EMS usb connector http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-6m-49-en-15-ems-70-1b5.html

  72. Re:Suggestions... by JohnnyBGod · · Score: 1

    That and there's also pretty much every sports game ever made, if you're into that.

  73. Call the Freelance Police by spyrochaete · · Score: 1

    I'm sure I don't have to tell you to ignore all the calls to "buy a console" - there's more great co-op PC games than ever before. The only advice I will give you is to forgo your requirement to play on a big screen since your laptop's resolution is far superior. PC games assume you're playing on a monitor so downgrading to TV resolution will, among other things, likely make text unreadable.

    One game my wife and I play religiously is the new Sam and Max adventure series from Telltale Games. It's an episodic series that just concluded its second "season". The gameplay is at a casual pace, the dialogue is absolutely hilarious and very clever (especially for a CS major - many nerdy jokes), and is honestly (in the case of my wife and I) a good-natured and romantic way to spend time together. It's $9 per episode or $35 for an entire season, and it's a steal at either price (moreso for the season).

    Do you only have one gaming PC? I used to play a free racing game with my wife called Trackmania Nations, but we stopped when we learned of its evil copy protection. The game has been re-released on Steam which replaces the copy protection. It's a very Hot Wheels kind of game with high speeds, loop-dee-loops, and no penalties for crashing.

    Another great game is Peggle - a puzzle game similar to Plinko on The Price is Right. Rounds are short enough that you can alternate and enjoy watching each other play. You can buy the game or try the free demo on Steam, though I believe you can buy a non-Steam version as well.

    Happy gaming with your ladyfriend, and I hope you'll consider forgoing the television requirement. Playing PC games on TV is like going to a concert wearing earmuffs.

    1. Re:Call the Freelance Police by Kankraka · · Score: 1

      A couple years ago when 720p plasma tv's came out, we picked up a cheap one. My room mates and i discovered it's VGA port in the back. Instantly we had turned it into a monitor. 1024x768 never looked so good. It's not a -really- high resolution, but most of the games we were playing at the time looked pretty good on it. That was a 42 inch cheap-o brand plasma. Then we upgraded to a 58 inch, name brand that does 1080p. 1920x1080 resolution is -more- than most laptops native display. Example: mine is currently at 1280x800. If anything, games weren't meant to run at that resolution. They mentioned DVI, so it's safe to assume they aren't going to be using an old s-video cable like we all did in 1997. Combined with a good home theatre setup, and a laptop with SPDIF output, why WOULDN'T you want to use your tv?

    2. Re:Call the Freelance Police by spyrochaete · · Score: 1

      Assuming the original poster has such a fancy home theatre then sure, that TV sounds pretty snazzy!

    3. Re:Call the Freelance Police by jayminer · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the suggestions. We've already played and finished most adventure games ever released. (I even played and coded many text-based ones at high school).

      Also, we got a low end 106 cm (42") Toshiba LCD and using a cheap DVI->HDMI cable you get a real monitor-like experience. Really cheap for value these days, 1:1 pixel mapping at 1360x768 at around 650 Euros.. (Around 1000$). Not bad and probably cheaper in US.

  74. Easy. by HerculesMO · · Score: 1

    Play Starcraft.

    Makes you think, requires a bit of dexterity, it's cheap, and it runs on the crappiest of hardware.

    Play the UMS games (Use Map Settings) -- they are games in and of themselves. Things like Tower Defence and others are popular here.

    Trust me, easy to pick up, casual gameplay, and lots of fun!

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  75. MAME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Legality aside, MAME is the best when it comes to two-player entertainment. A pair of psx-spin-off made-in-china usb controller costs for $8 in here (the one without analog sticks costs about $6). With some luck, you can probably find one in eBay. I have it for almost a year and have no problem since.

    My last console is the PSX, I just find it rather disturbing to find my console just sitting around doing nothing because of my lack of time to play games (the last RPG game I played was Xenogears). When I have the time (and sudden urge, or friends visiting) to play games, usually I just play them with emulators.

    If you and your wife aren't much into gaming, I suggest you not to buy consoles, as I think the games cost relatively high in there.

    Some game suggestions (MAME):
    Shmups (Gunbird, dodonpachi, vasara, 1945)
    Metal Slug series
    Dungeons & Dragons
    Fighting games (KoF, fatal fury, samurai showdown)

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  77. Best pc game fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    try game tap. I love it. Have all the old games and new games as well. Its about $10 a month and you can play them all.

  78. Get a Steam Account by CannedTurkey · · Score: 1

    then buy AudioSurf. It builds 'tracks' based on mp3's, and plays somewhat like Klax. It's an excellent game and you'll have fun re-experiencing your favourite music.

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  79. Re: BETTER Suggesstions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    EVERY system that's currently out will be hacked and emulated within the year.

    i've a dual core desktop im gonna try that /w a 46' tv sometime.

    i'd say make a game folder and load it up with each system.

    nintendo games - about 1200 roms/games available
    snes - over 600 for sure
    sega gensis - 500 easy
    playstation 1-2-3 - each disc can be stored on the hard drive as an image that emulators will play

    get 2-5 controllers (usb) and work with emulator programs that will support lots of controllers. gravis makes a ps2 looking controller (pc game pad pro does the job well)

    i've also seen REAL controller hook ups for each system. playstation to usb adapters can get your favorite controller working on a computer.

    don't listen to people saying to buy a game 1 at a time. save your money for hardware (unless its multiplayer your after and are using default servers)

    3 games at 20 each or a 60 dollar 5.1 system for the big tv.....

    bomberman 1 and 2 for super nintendo are fun for multiplayer

    you can always use original controllers if you buy a few adapters from ebay/somewhere online.

  80. Mame + Good Games by miseryinmotion · · Score: 1

    Get mame.

    A lot of the old arcade games had less demanding attitude than games today. They actually had to win your attention as you passed by the arcade machine, and were designed for you to want to keep playing (and pop in more quarters). Fighters, brawlers, sports, hack and slash, puzzle, side/top-scrolling shooters, and countless others I'm overlooking: they're all on there, and they're not afraid to use bright colors and really nice 2d sprites. The best part is that almost all of them are 2 player, and a good majority is co-op.

    I've found that there's not much more fun than teaming up with player 2 and beating the crap out of the computer with infinite credits. And really, how can you go wrong with a bizarre co-op puzzle game hybrid ?

    1. Re:Mame + Good Games by slim · · Score: 1

      The thing is, arcade games were not designed with home gaming in mind. If you love arcade games, then you can see past this (I do -- I have a JAMMA cabinet in my house).

      This is why home ports of arcade games usually have extra elements bolted on. For example, something like Soul Calibur in the arcade has one game mode -- play until you die, see your score.

      After all, its job is to take some money from you, give you a quick fix, then get rid of you. You might play a few more times. Most arcade games don't try and lure you in for a whole afternoon (arcade-dwelling otaku notwithstanding).

      The console port has unlockable characters, story mode, challenge mode, time attack, etc. etc., to give it longevity and replayability.

  81. YDKJ by ab0mb88 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is a dated reference, but try to find some copies of the different versions of You Don't Know Jack. This is great for a young couple and really keeps the conversation and interaction going while you are playing... And the innuendo doesn't hurt either.

  82. split screen or turn based options by JagRoth · · Score: 1

    A few options I can think of:
    1. Play games where you take turns (think Golf games and the like)
    2. There were a few first-person shooter games that supported split screen (I know I tried it with Serious Sam a number of years ago). Probably nothing recent, since the console is for that type of game.
    3. I remember playing a racing game that supported split screen. I mostly liked/played the rally type of racing, so try Colin McRae or some of the similar PC games to see which one (or more) it was that supported split-screen.

  83. battle tanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://btanks.sourceforge.net/

    (for gamepad configuration dialog press G or J in settings menu)

  84. Worms! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    No, this isn't a variant of the "find the sausage" joke.

    Since no one else is looking like they want to actually answer the question...

    Look into the worms series of games. I think there are 3-d versions nowadays, but even the old 2-d versions were hilarious. Sure, they're dumb, but can be very funny.

    1. Re:Worms! by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

      Seconded. Bazookas are fun in and of themselves, but exploding sheep and Holy Hand Grenades seal the deal. Plus all the roping around to try and drop dynamite on the other guy before your turn runs out.

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  85. Re:Suggestions... by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    Screw a PS2. If you're a couple looking to have fun, get a Wii. I'm a fan of the Xbox 360 and don't own a Wii, but even I must admit that there is no better console for family fun.

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  86. my favorite two-player game by overcaffein8d · · Score: 1
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  87. Karaoke! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    My wife and I play pyKaraoke. We think its fun. We can go to parties and do the same thing. In fact sometimes I take my linux laptop around with a microphone and some external (amplified) pc speakers to parties and we do group Karaoke.

  88. Games you can play together by blindd0t · · Score: 2, Informative

    Since the post talks about what games the misses dislikes, I'll do my best with that even though no insight about what she does like was provided. Worms Armageddon is a seriously fun game anyone can play. It's an old game, and I want to say there is some hacked version that can run at higher resolutions than it was originally capable of handling, so I would suggest buying the game and looking into that. Also, I would recommend looking into emulators for NES, SNES, and so on. There is a ton of stuff out there for that which could provide a wide variety of games that are tons of fun to play (even if the graphics are far from top-notch).

    Even though you can't go spit-screen on this one, if either or both of you likes racing games, GTR2 is a seriously good racing simulator, but keep in mind that the average person might find its realistic physics to be frustrating. The Logitech Momo force-feedback steering wheel works exceptionally well for this and other racing games.

    If the misses also likes diablo-style games, Titan quest is a game my wife enjoyed. Again, you can't go split-screen here, but it could provide some good entertainment for both of you. Of course, if you have another PC in the house, you could play together over a LAN. ^_^

    1. Re:Games you can play together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      aye me and the girlfriend play worms armageddon on the pc through to the tv every now and again. we'd play it even more if we didnt have to boot into windows to enjoy it, but nevermind. you can set a custom res in it as high as your graphics card or tv can support. cost me £10 from pcworld here in the uk and came with worms 2 as well as armageddon. its the only thing we play so im interested in other suggestions too.

    2. Re:Games you can play together by morari · · Score: 1

      The latest semi-official patches for Worms Armageddon have supported higher resolutions, as well as a plethora of other features. I hear they're trying to work their way of to just merging Armageddon with World Party so that both could benefit from what features it has over the other.

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  89. Use an emulator by kellyb9 · · Score: 1

    If you want the "console experience", use an emulator and grab a few ROM's. They actually have torrents that compile every SNES and NES ROM ever made.

    1. Re:Use an emulator by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      If you want the "console experience", use an emulator and grab a few ROM's. They actually have torrents that compile every SNES and NES ROM ever made. Almost... for some reason, the "GoodNES" torrent making the rounds now is missing Kid Icarus. WTF?!
  90. Go old school by Moe+Taxes · · Score: 1

    Buy a deck of cards or a board game for smarties like scrabble or upwords.

    It's nice to look at your wife while you play a game. Don't you spend enough time staring at computer displays already?

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  91. Cortex Command by Peganthyrus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My boyfriend and I have had a lot of fun with Cortex Command. It's a really entertainingly adolescent wargame that supports splitscreen play and joystick controllers.

    It's not actually finished but its active mod community makes it not matter - if one of you skims the forums now and then, you'll find all kinds of giggle-inducingly overpowered toys to play with. It's ultraviolent but it's on the border between 'obscene' and 'slapstick'...

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  92. Re:a relatively newly married young couple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what part of "No 'Find the Sausage' jokes" did you not understand?

    How about "Spot the Submarine"?

  93. Second hand by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've got a second hand Dreamcast at home for 50 euro's (roughly 75 US$) with a bunch of games. Consoles of around this generation (N64, PS, GC) onwards have all the types of games you'd want for a fraction of the cost of modern consoles.

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  94. gameamp by poetmatt · · Score: 1

    It's not that expensive and has a bit of games on the free side as well - gameamp is basically a glorified emulator but has some stuff up to the playstation 2 era (god of war, legacy of kain, some other stuff) and some PC games.

  95. Simple by KinkyClown · · Score: 1

    Armagetron (http://www.armagetronad.net/) is has a split screen multiplayer mode. Great, console like, game.

  96. Wii! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just get a wii.....all the emulation for the classic marios and zeldas etc is already there.

  97. Emulators by mkenyon2 · · Score: 1

    If you like Old School, I'd recommend GBPVR (http://gbpvr.com/) with the GameZone Plugin. It offers a nice setup for running multiple emulators out of one menu system. For instance, I have Atari 2600, Turbo Graphix, NES, SNES, NES64, GameBoy, Genesis, Mame, and Playstation 1 running off our system. Plus it allows for collection of ripped movies... But even for just games, it wraps them all up in one system, plug in a couple game pads, and you're all set.

  98. One up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I am this girl. Not as in married to OP but married to my network engineer and all around computer geek husband, play video games w/ him, watch him play video games and love Linux.

    AND ON TOP OF THAT I gave him his own room for electronics. He has a rack.

    AND ON TOP OF THAT I have our living room furniture especially arranged to accomodate his chair-side technology requirements, and I don't make him put it away every night.

    AND ON TOP OF THAT I love technology for birthday/Christmas/anniversary/in-lieu-of-flowers.

    AND ON TOP OF THAT I named our first dog CmdrTaco. No kidding.

    I'm so happy to have made my husband the envy of /. I think my work here is finished. Honey, do you think we could fit a PS3 between the Wii and 360?

    1. Re:One up by berashith · · Score: 1

      Ya, this and every other girl online can be believed to really be female.

    2. Re:One up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and love Linux. Almost perfect. Oh well, could be worse, could be Mac user.
    3. Re:One up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there a trashcan between the wii and the 360?

    4. Re:One up by Hatta · · Score: 1

      I gave him his own room for electronics. He has a rack.

      I'm skeptical. I am going to need pictures of this rack as evidence. For completeness, include pictures of your rack too.

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    5. Re:One up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AND ON TOP OF THAT I gave him his own room for electronics. He has a rack.

      But do you?

    6. Re:One up by Reapy · · Score: 1

      "AND ON TOP OF THAT I gave him his own room for electronics. He has a rack."

      Jesus I hate people. Side rant. You GAVE him his own room? What, you two don't both work and pay for your house? If hes unemployed, ok, you can "GIVE" him a room. I am just so disgusted at the amount of men out there with this attitude that what they love to do, is something you need special permission to have a room for. I know a guy who is married, and loves nascar, he is "allowed" one god damn poster in the garage, and even then he gets comments about it. I don't understand how anyone can live like this. But, to each their own I guess.

    7. Re:One up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you say he has a rack, you are talking about his tits, right?

  99. Re: BETTER Suggesstions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EVERY system that's currently out will be hacked and emulated within the year. Why do you believe that? The PS2 and XBox 360 have been out for years... are there playable emulators for them yet?
  100. The best games are simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best kind of games to play with a few people in front of a TV are easy to learn, competitive, but still fun.

    My favorites so far are:

    Puzzle Bobble (Bust-a-Move) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puzzle_Bobble
    (MAME)

    Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Puzzle_Fighter_II_Turbo
    (MAME)

    Dr. Mario
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr_Mario
    (NES)

    Rampart
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampart_%28arcade_game%29
    (MAME/SNES/etc)

    You Don't Know Jack (trivia)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Don%27t_Know_Jack
    (PC)

  101. Mystical Ninja by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get ZSNES, a super nintendo emulator and get the game "Legend of the Mystical Ninja". It's a lot of fun. Preferably use a gamepad.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_the_Mystical_Ninja

  102. Ok, that'll take up about 30 seconds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are they supposed to do the rest of the night?

    1. Re:Ok, that'll take up about 30 seconds by grahamd0 · · Score: 1

      Best 2 out of 3?

  103. suggestion by Skaarg · · Score: 1

    http://www.gametap.com/ I would look on there, they have tons of classic games that you can play on your computer for a small subscription fee.

  104. Awesome!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember most of these. Wow those were the days. Thanks for the memories!

  105. My experience with PC gaming on the TV by rhpenguin · · Score: 1

    Well, I was doing the exact same thing having a desktop PC hooked up to the LCD TV and using an ATi Remote Wonder II to control it from the couch, but felt the experience was less than satisfactory compared to say a dedicated gaming console. So, now I have my xbox 360 for gaming and have MythTV still on the PC. The thing I really like is that with the MythGame plugin I can do all my retro console / mame stuff from the MythTV interface with a remote + gamepad and have the xbox for the heavy duty games that require a lot more power than my media PC can provide.

    However, if you don't wanna even consider the console route check out the following PC gear to make for a much nicer experience.:

    -Microsoft xbox 360 Wireless Gaming controller (works very well with the "Games For Windows" branded games)
    -OR-
    -Logitech RumblePad 2 gamepad. (it's also wireless but requires hacks to use in some games)
    -ATi Remote Wonder II (works as a remote and doubles as a mouse)

    As far as games go, before I got my 360, I was playing Guitar Hero III a lot on the PC, but it only ran above average on my E6600 @ 2.8GHz CPU and 2GB of RAM. Multiplayer on Hard and Expert settings was difficult as the game would sometimes become choppy and lag during gameplay. I don't experience this on the 360. (Thanks for the craptacular port, Aspyr.)
    I was also playing a bit of Sins Of A Solar Empire. Its an RTS game which I believe I read was off-limits, but it's good none the less. There's also the whole range of EA Sports games which work natively with the Logitech Rumblepad 2. Lastly, I love ToCA Race Driver III. It's the best racing game on PC.
    Those are my recommendations. Take them for what they're worth..

    1. Re:My experience with PC gaming on the TV by keith_nt4 · · Score: 1

      One real caveat to the 360 gamepads that work with windows is that games still refer to buttons by a number as opposed to letters or "shoulder/trigger". I never memorized which button was which number so I had to write them on the face with a sharpie, making the gamepad kind of ugly. Nice to have an extra 360 pad if I need it though.

      --
      "UNIX is very simple, it just needs a genius to understand its simplicity." -Dennis Ritchie
  106. Adventure Games! by omnichad · · Score: 1

    That's one genre that's boring by yourself, but real fun for two. Adventure games are a huge genre. If you hate Myst, you can still find something you love. Very comfortable to play from a couch, since all you need is a mouse. A $10 game on clearance can give you 20+ hours of constantly new gameplay. Like scary/creepy movies? Look for a game where Jonathan Boakes is involved. Dark Fall is creepy, but still full of challenging puzzles. Like amazing graphics? Look for something by Benoit Sokal - try Syberia or Paradise. For tougher puzzles, try safecracker. Then there's always the depth of storyline you find in Myst. Some of these games are almost cinematic in the way the story unfolds.

    1. Re:Adventure Games! by TheMonkeyhouse · · Score: 1

      me and the ball and chain are in this group. we sit at the PC and play adventure games whilst utorrent is downloading all my shows from the UK (uknova.com) then we get to play interesting games together and then watch great quality tv (on demand). i agree with the games listed above - Syberia is one of the most breathtaking games ever. just stunning. we recently played the Sherlock Holmes and Agatha Christie games and enjoyed them too - although being a Holmes purest i was a tad bothered by about 99% of the plot and voice acting. see justadventure.com for more games and reviews. the only issue i think these guys would have is using the tv - you really need to sit closer to the screen and need the better resolution. but give them a shot if you want to try something new. oh, and you can always google for a walkthrough if you get stuck :-)

    2. Re:Adventure Games! by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I use DVI in my setup, and just love the graphics on the big screen even if we have to move the couch to see any text that might come up on screen.

  107. Re: by clint999 · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one that is completely confused?

  108. Recently married couple by electricbern · · Score: 1

    A recently married couple needs quality advice about gaming? Who did you marry, your sister? Guess I forgot this was Slashdot after all...

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  109. Get Amiga Emulator... by mario_grgic · · Score: 1

    and then download some games. Some games are public domain now and can legally be downloaded.

    You will need to purchase the Amiga ROM file legally though.

    Most Amiga games have better game play than modern games with ultra realistic graphics and video cards that consume upwards of 600 Watts, but the game play absolutely sucks.

    --
    As the island of our knowledge grows, so does the shore of our ignorance.
    1. Re:Get Amiga Emulator... by eam · · Score: 1

      PONG is free at last!!!!

      Woohoo!!!

    2. Re:Get Amiga Emulator... by Crackmonkeyjr · · Score: 1

      There's a much easier rule of thumb: Published before Mickey Mouse - Public Domain Published after Mickey Mouse (including Mickey Mouse) - Copyrighted for all eternity.

    3. Re:Get Amiga Emulator... by jayminer · · Score: 1

      As the poster of the story, I already own many Amigas. You should have guessed from my nickname.

  110. Re:a relatively newly married young couple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What did I win?

    How about a copy of Custer's Revenge ported to the Wii? :)

  111. Cooperate by slim · · Score: 1

    My partner and I have probably spent more time cooperating on single player games, than competing on two player games.

    Classic point'n'click adventures like Monkey Island, Sam and Max Hit The Road and Day of the Tentacle, for example. We also played a lot of text adventures (Google "Interactive Fiction" and "Curses" for a fantastic one).

    More recently we played the new Telltale Games episodes of Sam & Max on the PC, rigged up to a TV almost as you described. I got some joypad-to-mouse software, and we sat on the sofa playing together -- taking it in turns to take control. They're not quite as good as the classic original, but they're entertaining enough.

    We played a lot of two player puzzle games on the original Playstation -- Bust a Move for a while, then when we discovered it, Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo. The former is widely available, including on the PC and in MAME as Puzzle Bobble. The latter came out recently on Xbox Live Arcade and PSN. I think there's a Steam release in the works.

  112. 360 pads & Kaillera too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd recommend 'Wired' versions of Xbox 360 pads for use with emulators.

    Finally a console pad you can just plug straight into a PC, via USB.

    Not tested it in Linux yet, but gaming is one reason i keep a dual boot system. Oh and Autocad.

    Have fun, and google Kaillera too.

    lee heywood - not so AC

  113. Re:a relatively newly married young couple? by grahamd0 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    You're making the assumption that his suggestion was a "find the sausage" joke, and you're being a dick.

  114. Re:a relatively newly married young couple? by foniksonik · · Score: 1

    Who says you can't play games AND make sweet love? A good game could be like foreplay... get the tension just right then BAM! sweet sweet lovin'

    The last thing you want in this scenario is to actually care about the game... so no RPGs or MMORG or even Team games... just good old fashion PVP action.

    --
    A fool throws a stone into a well and a thousand sages can not remove it.
  115. Gotta concur..... by vicious0000 · · Score: 1

    As a console owner, I have to concur with some of the earlier posts. Go for something like a 360, and get Rock Band (a lot of fun). Or go for M.A.M.E.

  116. Re:a relatively newly married young couple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What did I win?


    A unicycle!
  117. Trench wars! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Trench wars basing is the most fun and addictive thing you can do in subspace/continuum.

    As a player who has played in Trench Wars for about 10 years now, let me tell you, it kicks ass. I always go back to it when I get bored with other games. Basing is a fast-paced conflict between two teams of 8 players, for control of a flag room, and it can be really intense. Basing is a highly tactical, aggressive, challenging team sport. It is where all the skilled Trench Wars players eventually gravitate.

    But there is also lots of other stuff to do in Trench Wars (play in pub zones, javs, duels, elim, TWD = squad-based matches refereed by bots, TWL = leagues refereed by humans).

    Also there are volunteer staff members who constantly host events in special arenas. Turretwars, zombies/twtown, hockey, racing, mario, fishtank, and dozens and dozens of other ones.

  118. modded Xbox by aztektum · · Score: 1

    I solved my need for pick and play gaming with a modded Xbox. ROMs, MAME and it makes a decent media streaming device.

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    No sig for you!!
    1. Re:modded Xbox by morari · · Score: 1

      Dreamcasts are cheaper and don't require modification to play ROMs and back-ups. Besides, the native games are much more fun than what the Xbox tended to offer. ;)

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      "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
    2. Re:modded Xbox by aztektum · · Score: 1

      I have a Dreamcast too. What it does require is a lot more elbow grease to put together a disk that works. Or, I can dump everything to the 200GB drive in my Xbox and not fumble with a bunch of CD-R's

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      :: aztek ::
      No sig for you!!
    3. Re:modded Xbox by morari · · Score: 1

      I'll give you that. I doubt many people would bother to put the ROM discs together however. There are plenty of collections out there for download--Genesis, NES, etc. Good SuperNES emulators are a little tricky to find however. I had one years ago that worked flawlessly, but never got the disc back after loaning it to a friend. All subsequent ones I've tried have had varying degrees of lag on many games.

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      "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
  119. It's an oldie... by Count+Fenring · · Score: 1

    But Worms 2 or Worms Armageddon seem to match the bill pretty well.

    If you like strategy games, the Civ series or its (in my preference, superior) offshoot, Alpha Centauri are excellent, and turn-based goodness.

  120. Guitar Hero by Ustice · · Score: 1

    Guitar Hero is available on the laptop, and two can play. Its a great game.

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    One never knows when one might need a rotten tomato... - King's Quest IV: Heir Today, Gone Tomorrow
  121. Re:Suggestions... by morari · · Score: 1

    ou can get a PS2 for ~$100 and an additional controller + memory card for maybe another $20. That'd open up a whole WORLD of great co-op games designed for the exact kind of experience you're looking for. You can rent games from your neighborhood video store or from Gamefly.com for about $5 a pop or $20 a month. You could buy about any PS2 game for $20 nowadays. Or buy a modchip, for that matter. ;)

    I personally recommend that specific version of Rock Band. The lack of character customization really destroys a lot of what makes it truly special.

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    "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
  122. You Don't Know Jack by ptcheezer · · Score: 1

    The "You Don't Know Jack" series of quiz-show type games everyone loves and it's two player and it'll work great hooked up to your tv. You can just share a single keyboard to buzz in your answer.

  123. Together on your laptop. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dance Dance Revolution. You can have together time, exercise, and a sense of accomplishment, all in one. If one of you gets a lot better than the other, difficulty settings can keep you competitive.
    You will need a DDR simulator or clone to run it on your PC instead of on a console.
    There are affordable dance pads.

  124. No legs, no barrier by tepples · · Score: 1

    I think the chances of the OP and his wife not having any legs and being unable to go outside to explore the world is a bit slim. Since when has not having any legs been a barrier?
    1. Re:No legs, no barrier by Placido · · Score: 1

      No legs no barrier ... to sex.

      --

      Pinky: "What are we going to do tomorrow night Brain?"
      Brain: "I would tell you Pinky but this 120 char limi
  125. try battle tanks arcade by whoozle · · Score: 1

    it's free, cross-platform arcade game with split screen mode. You could download it from the http://btanks.sourceforge.net/ Have fun! :)

  126. Trust me.. spend $50 on an XBOX by tomz16 · · Score: 1

    (answer to your actual question at the very end, because you MUST read the first part)

    BUY AN XBOX. SERIOUSLY! I picked one up for $50 a while back... most entertaining $50 I've spent! There are a TON of great coop and 2 player games for xbox. Much more than for PS2 or gamecube IMHO. It's also ridiculously easy to mod via software alone, especially for a CS major. Games are cheap (often $10), and that ng thing that we are sworn not to talk about has dozens of xbox games posted a week.

    Some of my favorite COOP games were Halo 1, Halo 2 (better), The Warriors, Razes hell (it's impossible, so cheat a little and it becomes a REALLY great game), Justice League Heroes, Destroy all Humans 2, both Time Splitters (second one is better), the Conflict Denied series (last one is best)... and there are DOZENS more! (and hundreds of 2+ player non-coop games)

    If you are willing to skirt the law a bit, the Xbox Big Ass Emulator Disc DVD's 1,2,3a,3b have all of the MAME, Atari, Genesis, Nintendo, Snes, Neo Geo, Gamebody, etc. etc. games that were ever released.

    As for native (non-emulator) PC, 2 players, one screen, two joysticks... Let's see.. Marvel Ultimate Alliance was really good (and looks way better than the console version). Rise of Apocalypse was mediocre. The teenage mutant ninja turtles games were ok (the last one was actually quite a bit of fun). There's a recent 2 player spiderman game that was pretty monotonous... That's really about it as far as I can remember.

  127. There is a market. by tepples · · Score: 1

    Slashdot allowed this question be posted? It's better than letting me post the same question as a rhetorical in half the games topics on Slashdot whenever the question of console vs. PC comes up. Now it's obvious that the answer is "yes, there is a market that isn't being served", and it may be my job to serve it by developing, developing, developing, developing.
    1. Re:There is a market. by 7Prime · · Score: 1

      But it IS being served, by consoles!

      This is sort of like saying, "I want a car that gets killer gas millage, is incredibly reliable and fairly compact... oh, and it must be made by GM"

      No dipshit... buy a Toyota or a Honda.

      What this couple needs is a console. Everything they've asked for fits more with the philosophies with console gaming. Price will be comparable to even slightly to a console's advantage. The only thing stopping them is some irrational love of PCs, or some irrational hatred of consoles. I'm sorry, but few are going to cater to this type of bullshit. This subsection of gamers is too small to waste money on.

      --
      Multiplayer Gaming (defined): Sitting around, discussing single-player games with my friends, at the bar.
    2. Re:There is a market. by jayminer · · Score: 1

      This is sort of like saying, "I want a car that gets killer gas millage, is incredibly reliable and fairly compact... oh, and it must be made by GM"
      I already own a car that gets killer gas millage, incredibly reliable and fairly compact, made by General Motors.

      It's called Opel Corsa..

      And I'm the original poster. What a luck!
  128. Recommendation for games with Couples by evolutionary · · Score: 0

    Well I could say "buy a console" but I don't want to give you that blut reply. The big catch is you are on a laptop so for gaming that is probably the worst of 2 worlds: Less power along with fewer gaming options that are not stragety. However there is one thing I could tell you: If you put Linux on it you have a number of options as Linux takes more resources. If Adventures Games don't count as Stragety (but to some it may I feel the are different) there are actually a number of commercial games for Linux and non-commercial games of considerable quality.

    http://www.linuxgamingworld.com/

    Among these include action, simulation as well as the RPG and stragety games (which are my favoriate in case you didn't guess). WINE is in many ways better for running certain games than Windows since you can no longer buy Windows 2000 new, and if MS does withdraw Windows XP on June 30th, 2006 (which would drive MANY business people AND gamers to using WINE on Linux, MS just isn't that smart I guess) the only laptops you can run Windows on will need 2 Gigs of RAM minimum according to reports. (In other words 17" Laptops or nothing for MS). So again, Linux is a nice alternative you can run on just about and laptop and you don't worry as much about things like poor framerate. (although its still an issue on some games).

    The following site has info on noncommercial Linux games and Linux emulators

    http://www.linux-gamers.net/

    The SNES emulators are awesome and although I have a SuperFamicom (Super Nintendeo, the Original from Japan), the Emulators work nicely. Get a ROM chip reader, and WOW! Imagine! Truth be told, because of the old hardware limitations, the old games were FAR more original and creative than most games today.

    Of course every geek on earth (and beyond) knows about SourceForge.net. Frets On Fire is a Linux version of guitar heros that is very popular. Several Dance, Dance Revolution games I Believe are on Linux as well as long as you have USB foot dance pads. Awesome!

    There are emulators for Windows of course, but given all the weird stuff out there, I go in assuming any closed source solution that is non-enterprise (and a few that are) are laced with some kind of Spyware (Remember Vista itself has some spyware elements including the "kill switch" and MS activity monitoring "features" you agree to have imposed on you when you install it under the EULA). So if you can't trust MS to respect the customer...(okay, MS not the most trustworthy company but still...), I think open source is the only way to keep software companies on the straight and narrow.

    I use Windows 2000 and XP for only two things: testing for windows environments of clients, and a few odd games that don't quite work on WINE...yet... The Mac OS X isn't bad for gaming: You can pretty much run almost all Linux software on them, and you can play a few games not made for Linux like Neverwinter Night II (no authoring module however) but as that is a RPG game anyway you don't want that.

    The best Console gaming solutions in my opinion is the Wii. Its the only console that adds physical elements to get you off your seat outisde of the DDR (Dance Dance Revolution games for the Playstation). Of course the laptopt will do Flash games too, if you like pure arcade type of stuff.

    For couples, I think the simulation games are ideal: Car Racing, Airplane/Spaceship combat games, are the best for couples.They can interact and act out their differences. :D The Super Mario SNES games (on an emulator or packing on the Wii) are FANTASTIC for couples as are Tetris games. An old Japanes Favoriate (not available in English), Pyo Pyo, is in my opinion the ulitimate couples games as in this tetris variation, it has tons of cute victory sounds, and you can really mess up your opponent by dropping "bubble" on your opponent's space to make their life more "interesting". I was introduced

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  129. Re:Recommendation for games with Couples: type by evolutionary · · Score: 0

    Sorry folks for the confusion: Linux uses FEWER resources than MS Windows, not more. (duh)

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    "Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Einstein
  130. Some suggestions... by Zerbey · · Score: 1

    Congrats on the marriage. Funny, when I was a newlywed computer games were the last type of "game" we thought about playing. Anyway, ahem, 3 kids later...

    MAME is always fun, plenty of games there. Also try some of the older emulators like the Atari and NES/SNES ones. Once you're bored with those you can always get a Speccy emulator (Spectaculator, SPIN, etc.). Once you're bored with those try Gametap.

    Or, you could just buy yourselves a console and get one of the Namco museum compilations. Or DDR, or Guitar Hero, or Rock Band.

  131. Indie games by Stefanwulf · · Score: 1
    I would suggest checking out some of the indie game sites. They've actually been drawing me away from consoles and back to PC recently.
    • The games are cheap or free
    • It's all legal
    • They're usually easy to pick up and play, with a focus on fun game mechanics over action-movie style production
    • You find new, creative ideas all over the place
    I find a lot of good games at the experimental gameplay project - which came up with world of goo and crayon physics, among others. http://www.experimentalgameplay.com/

    You can also check out the indie games festival's guide to games: http://www.indiegames.com/play.htm

    In addition, Wired offered a list of the best indie games of 2007 at http://www.wired.com/gaming/gamingreviews/commentary/games/2007/02/72796
  132. Xbox 360 Controllers by Saint+Gerbil · · Score: 1

    Its a little known fact you can use Xbox 360 controllers with windows. Even the wireless ones with one of these : http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360wirelessgamingreceiver/ Makes it feel much more consoly. Now you just need to pick a game, which is easier said than done.

  133. Best Multiplayer PC Game of All Time by ChipmunkDJE · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You Don't Know Jack
    This game is the BEST multiplayer experience you will find on a PC without playing a console game through a ROM. You won't find any other multiplayer experience that both of you can play on the same screen.
    In fact, almost ANY trivia game will fit this bill, but You Don't Know Jack is just the most fun of them all. Brings a whole new meaning to "screwing your wife". ;)

    Chippy

  134. Boxhead Rocks with 2 Players by aplusjimages · · Score: 1

    Boxhead is really fun for 2 players. http://www.kongregate.com/games/SeanCooper/boxhead-2play-rooms enjoy

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  135. Get a Wii by BobSixtyFour · · Score: 1

    Then, you can play find the wii-wii in lew of finding the sausage. That or you can play fun games like this: http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=227

    1. Re:Get a Wii by arodland · · Score: 1

      "In lew"? How does Lew feel about that?

  136. Pinball and you can play the real games on your... by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    Pinball and you can play the real games on your laptop with VPinMAME / PinMAME and Visual Pinball
    http://www.vpforums.com/

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  138. Get it right... by tha_mink · · Score: 1

    Apart from "Find the Sausage" jokes... It's "Hide the Sausage". Sheesh...What fun would "Find the Sausage" be? Unless it was "Hide->Find->Hide->Find->Hide->Find" etc.
    --
    You'll have that sometimes...
    1. Re:Get it right... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Maybe they're gay?

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  139. Worms by coldsalmon · · Score: 1

    The Worms series is full of great hotseat games that can be played on a single computer. My girlfriend and I both love Worms Armageddon.

  140. Good Multiplayer PC games by gauauu · · Score: 1
    Here's a few. My wife who hates video games even enjoys some of these:
    1. Re:Good Multiplayer PC games by beckerist · · Score: 1

      Nice I was going to add the top two.

      A couple more places to look:
      Jazz Jackrabbit 2 (here)
      List of (now) freeware games (here)

  141. Serious Suggestions by Billzum · · Score: 1

    As a majority of people have already stated emulators can be fairly entertaining. Also as previously suggested... get a console. Games for Xbox and PS2 can be had fairly cheaply from a used games store. These options aside, I have a few other suggestions for you. Casual gaming on the internet is really taking off. Kongregate.com, Addicting games.com, and a host of other sites offer a wide variety of interesting games to play. If you would like to stay fixed on your laptop I might suggest "You Don't Know Jack", or anything from the Worms series (Made by Team 17).

  142. Anon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get an original XBOX... Soft mod it.. and add a larger hard drive. They can emulate NES, SEG, and SNES very well. And some N64. If your wife is a CS major she can do it. Or just buy a modded one. I just bought my secong one off craigslist with 4 controllers for $100.

  143. re: MythTV and MAME by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most MythTV distributions include a MAME emulator, as well as a SNES emulator, and support for several others you can optionally download, install and configure in their menus.

    The nice thing about this is, it gives you a good excuse to dedicate an entire PC to your TV set, since it works as a very capable DVR, gives you a set-top web browser, and other goodies.

    The downside? At least from all the knoppmyth distros I've used, I've always had some hassle getting MAME working well with it. (EG. You can purchase wireless gamepad type controllers from Logitech that use USB dongles and are detected just fine in Linux. But you'll have to do some creative stuff with the xmame config file so you have all their buttons assigned in a sensible manner. If you don't assign one to simulate dropping coins in, for example, you'll never be able to get a new game to start from your controller.)

  144. Moooo! by fprintf · · Score: 1

    Mooooo!

    Wanna do another cow run?

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    This post brought to you by your friendly neighborhood MBA.
    1. Re:Moooo! by Lobster+Quadrille · · Score: 1

      It's a slippery slope, and I don't know if I ever want to go back to that life.

      The cows were hella fun though.

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      "The cup is in turn designed for holding hot or cold liquids, and has an open rim and closed base." --US Patent #5425497
  145. Infinite Fight by Neo_piper · · Score: 1

    If you like fighting games and don't mind the gray area of expired beta abandon-ware M.U.G.E.N. and it's still updated clones are for you. It has downloadable (sp?) characters from almost every major fighting game and many from Anime and non fighting games as well. Just don't look for impressive computer controlled opponents or a whole lot of cross package balance and you'll do fine.

  146. A lot of game companies take that stuff out... by Doug52392 · · Score: 1

    I've seen this a lot, especially on ports of old console games or games being developed for PCs and game consoles: Game makers decide that multi-user "co-op" play, or 2 people playing a game on the same PC, does not seem "logical" enough to include in the game.

  147. If "Find the Sausage" doesn't do it for you... by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 2, Funny

    There's always Rapid Onset, Vital Passage, or Sudden Thrust.

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    1. Re:If "Find the Sausage" doesn't do it for you... by Headw1nd · · Score: 1

      Finally, a reply that shows critical thinking.

    2. Re:If "Find the Sausage" doesn't do it for you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's also "Dr. Mario", "Dragon Ball", "Dark Rift", "Mega Man", "Dead Rising" and of course "Final Fantasy".

  148. easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we play Stepmania all the time (v3.9) with lots of great packs, songs and steps for all levels of player available. there is a 4player hacked version of 3.9 which doesn`t allow dancing characters as per 2 player version but it is brilliant fun. using decent mats (at least Ignition 3 foam mats - very cheap really)

    the other favourite is Frets on Fire - again tonnes of songs available to download. grab a couple psx-usb adaptors and the guitar hero controllers work great.

    i used to game A LOT but got really bored with everything coming out, no new ideas and the same old crap. at the same time stuff rarely comes out to suit all players. with stepmania/frets on fire, it gets more addictive as you go on - friends come round and you end up having parties around it.

    we now have 2 projectors to network play 4 player (we have 15 dance pads, usually playing 8 players at a time) and when we have barbecues and the like we project it on to the house.

    i bought a wii just cos of mario kart - and whilst it's good to have a racing game to share with others, everyone always wants to get back on the dance mats.

  149. Some were actually donated to the public domain... by mario_grgic · · Score: 1

    by their publishers, and some publishers don't even exist any more.

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  150. Re: MythTV and MAME by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Pressing a button to put in a quarter is my favorite part.

    When I think of the number of times my weekly allowance was ALMOST enough money to beat Double Dragon... now it's "Hahahah, fuck you Willy. Click, click, click, click..."

    Petty I know. But very satisfying.

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  151. Re:a relatively newly married young couple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Indeed. I used to go down on my ex boyfriend while he sat playing Sonic the Hedgehog all the time, it was great.

  152. Re: BETTER Suggesstions by TriezGamer · · Score: 1

    There's a PS2 emulator that can handle a FEW games here and there, but by and large, no. GP is an idiot.

  153. Worms Armageddon by SwordsmanLuke · · Score: 1

    Check out Worms: Armageddon. I think it's the strongest in the series and has provided my wife and I with many hours of fun. It's a 2D tactical shooter akin to the old Scorched Earth, but you're controlling cute (heavily armed) worms. The weapons are silly and the violence cartoony, but the mechanics of the game are excellent. The weapons are well-balanced and provide many different creative uses.

    Later entries in the series (especially the 3D varieties) stumble a bit and the early games look *really* dated. WA though, strikes a very nice balance between graphics and playability.

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  154. Three great OSS games by funkboy · · Score: 1

    Excellent themable 3D remake of Scorched Earth:

    http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/

    Meat Fighter!

    http://www.meatfighter.com/

    And there's always Tux Racer:

    http://tuxracer.sourceforge.net/

  155. Point of clarification. by GallaherMike · · Score: 1

    For many here on /. you are going to need to back up and explain this "wife" you speak of. I searched all over the 'egg and cannot find one.

    But seriously. My fiancee likes more empire builders (caesar, settlers, sim city). For two player cooperative games she seems to like Lego Star Wars. She has also spent time with the kids Wallace and Gromit games and the like.

    Trivia games are fine, but why not just sit at the table and play a tabletop version. Same with dancing games. Get out somewhere with music you like and dance.

    Just my thoughts.

  156. Overlord. by Chroystmobot · · Score: 1

    Overlord. And it's expansions. For that matter, anything with the "Games for Windows" stripe at the top. They all work with the proper gamepad, that of the 360. As I'm an insensitive clod, I'd simply suggest getting a 360, though it is my understanding that they're full of sausage.

  157. RBO by closetpsycho · · Score: 1

    There's a game called Ragnarok Battle Offline. If you google for it you can find it and the translation patch. It's a REALLY good side scrolling beat-em-up with RPG elements. It supports up to 3 people on one computer. Multiple classes (Swordsman, Archer, Thief, Merchant, Magician, and Acolyte) that all play very differently from each other. Your choice of playing as a male or a female even changes the character's combat style. All in all, it's a heck of a lot of fun.

  158. You only need 1 game to be happy... by 1.000.000 · · Score: 1

    and that's World of Warcraft. Your wife will learn to love it like the rest of us already do! Remember to get 2 copies :)

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  159. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  160. Japanese doujin games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't believe no one has mentioned any Japanese doujin games yet. A few two-player examples would be Acceleration of Suguri X-Edition, Touhou Kaeidzuka ~ Phantasmagoria of Flower View, Touhou Suimusou ~ Immaterial and Missing Power, Miko Blaster.

    You just gotta look around, man. This stuff exists.

  161. Worms!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An awesome hot-seat game that I've played is the worms series. Track down a copy of Worms Armageddon, its a turn based game where you control a team of cute two dimensional worms, armed with any weapon of destruction you can imagine. Your goal is to eliminate the opposing team.

  162. Prepare to eat your controller... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Old school NES + Bubble Bobble, River City Ransom, Super Dodge Ball. That's all you'll ever need - Dodge Ball being *the* tip top. :-)

    DO NOT PLAY:

    NES Ninja Gaiden - you will want to commit vehicular homicide. You have been warned!!!

  163. gltron by Britz · · Score: 1

    http://www.gltron.org/

    can be played on one keyboard

    great group fun

    and free

    btw. usually for many games it sucks to play on one screen, because it has to be divided up some way

  164. Re:Suggestions... by LunarCrisis · · Score: 1

    Worms Armageddon really is amazing, especially 2-player, but for certain weapons (which you can turn off) I believe it requires a mouse. C-Dogs is also really fun if you can get it to run properly with sound. (I believe it's a DOS game)

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  165. Re:a relatively newly married young couple? by Headw1nd · · Score: 1

    But you will take the time to post to slashdot...

  166. Anonymous Coward Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are old but valid:

    Return Fire is old but was multiplayer on one machine.

    Settlers 2 required 2 mice but had multiplayer

    Big Red Racing

    Often things that are turnbased, Monopoly, Quiz Shoe games, etc. (I could think of tons, but you get the idea)

  167. Re:Trust me.. spend $50 on an XBOX by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

    There are a TON of great coop and 2 player games for xbox. Much more than for PS2 or gamecube IMHO.


    No, I'm sorry, when it comes to co-op games that HUGE PS2 library has it all over the X-Box.
  168. re: PC Gaming Suggestions for Console-like Fun? by vinl1300 · · Score: 1

    Audiosurf from on steam is an amazing game. Especially for 10 dollars. Can be two players and is an audio experience in and of itself.

  169. the original Soul Reaver is a blast by aspectator · · Score: 1

    I agree with the sentiments from other posters that knowing about what you guys LIKE would be more helful than knowing some dislikes, but I'll also venture a couple thoughts. 1) If you're determined to stick to your laptop, definitely grab a copy of Soul Reaver on eBay (go for the FIRST version). This game had the benefit of some great story writing and an incredibly ambitious scope. I liken it to "Tomb Raider with Vampires, plus harder puzzles". It is a bit over the top and melodramatic, but that can be kinda fun with a vampire story :) Follow-on games were more shaky. Soul Reaver II being okish (get it if you get sucked into the story), Blood Omen II sucking (get it if you are ADDICTED to the story) and Defiance being pretty decent (get it cuz it's fun). 2) If you do end up picking up a USED/OLD console then I'd definitly suggest PS2 and: - Soul Reaver I (see above about rest of Legacy of Kain series too). - The first three games in the Ratchet & Clank series. - (I know this is getting close to stated dislikes but) Kingdom Hearts was a pretty fun/whimsical experience.

  170. For your laptop by Khyber · · Score: 1

    your laptop can emulate everything up to and including the Dreamcast, most likely. I suggest downloading console classix for everything 16-bit and under, and then I suggest ePSXe for PSX emulation and Chankast for the Dreamcast emulator. UltraHLE is still one of the best N64 emulators out there (though I don't know if you still need a silly GLide wrapper)

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  171. Good games by __aahurc460 · · Score: 1

    Audiosurf on Steam is amazing! I would also suggest FIFA 2008 (great for 2 player head-to-head) and the Need for Speed series is great too.

  172. Try some of the older stuff by gravis777 · · Score: 1

    Even on an SD tv, some of the older games such as Alice, Harry Potter: Quidditch World Cup, and Halo are fun. With an HDTV, you should check out King Kong, FarCry, and games like that.

    If you are looking for stuff to play with a gamepad:
    Harry Potter: Quidditch World Cup, King Kong, the Need 4 Speeds games, and of course console emulators are great. In fact, if you do not have a great graphics card, but have a good processor, SNES, Gennesis and other emulators may be a godsend. But I am not going to tell you where to find ROMS, you will have to find them on your own.

    Also, I think there is a PC version of Guitar Hero that you may be interested in checking out.

    Goto 3dgamers.com and there are TONS and TONS of demos there that you can try stuff up, including demos of all the games I have mentioned earlier.

  173. MSN Game Zone... by Starcub · · Score: 1

    ...at zone.msn.com has all kinds of free games including arcade style, card games, and puzzles.

  174. Consoles are even cheaper by analog_line · · Score: 1

    PS2 has finally gone sub-$100 refurbed, and there are more games for it than ET cartridges buried in Arizona, including classics of just about any genre. Multitap purchase needed for more than two player games though.

    Xbox is around $50 refurbed, has many PC ports in a much more friendly multiplayer environment than the PC, the Xbox version of just about any used game is going to be significantly less than any other version, 4 controller ports if you've ever get friends coming over.

    GameCube is $30 refurbed, has a lot of good multiplayer games as well, but less overall selection than either of the other two, and the game prices are higher in general.

    Any of these options will end up being better than trying to find PC games that will let you replicate a console like that. If you're set on doing it, the only real way to emulate a console experience is frankly emulation.

  175. Re:Suggestions... by analog_line · · Score: 1

    Other great multiplayer action RPG choices for PS2 are Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 1 & 2 (though 2 is in high demand and pricey as a result), Champions of Norrath and Champions: Return to Arms (basically two more Dark Alliance games set in the EQ world, but that doesn't make them too far different).

  176. Console On HTPC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MAME, SNES9X & MOST IMPORTANTLY -- GRIDWARS!!!

    oh - and two logitech wireless gamepads are a must

  177. A reply to the question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Achtung die kurwe" is a great multiplayer game you can play on one computer.

  178. Gamepad PC Games suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's some PC Games suggestions that can be played with a gamepad:

    -Tomb Raider (Legend/Anniversary)
    -Toca Race Driver 3
    -Resident Evil 4
    -Grand Theft Auto (III/Vice City/San Andreas)
    -Prince of Persia (Sands of time/Warrior -Within/The Two Thrones)
    -Need for Speed (Underground/Underground 2/Most Wanted/Carbon/Pro Street)
    -Flatout 2
    -Nascar 08
    -NHL 08
    -FIFA 08
    -Tiger Woods 08

    Most of theses games have a good re-playability too.

    I hope this is gonna sustain your gaming appetite.

  179. Less Console, More PC! by Pawz+Rebel · · Score: 1

    Lately I've noticed that the gaming companies took all the news on people playing games on consoles more than PC to heart...and what's happening is that the games are being built for the consoles and not the pc first. Like Call of Duty 4 and Rainbow Six Vegas 2. Call of Duty 4 on pc is so~so where as on the 360 or PS3 it's awesome and everything feels right where as the PC the controls seem clunky and awkward. Vegas 2 has it's own problems but has the same problems as COD4 as well. So you want console like fun on PC? Try playing DIRT on the 360 then switching to the PC...Then you go to the store buy a wireless adapter for your PC for the 360 remote, feels much better doesn't it? Same goes for COD4, though not so much for Vegas 2.

  180. Peter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For free, most emulator will do.
    Paying, buy a Wii... :P

  181. Frets on Fire, Commodore 64 games... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For more guitar action, be sure to check out Frets on Fire


    With a little bit of google-ing you can apply a 2-player mod and import all the music from Guitar Hero 1, 2, Encore and 3...


    Several people have mentioned emulation, I'd recommend a Commodore 64 emulator, there are tons of good 2 (or more) player games, here's a short list of games to try:


    • MULE
    • Dragonriders of Pern
    • Robot Rascals (better if you can get the cards)
    • Mail Order Monsters
    • Realm of Impossibility
    • Demon Stalkers
    • Jumpman
    • The Goonies (excellent 2-player co-op game)
    • Summer Games
    • Summer Games 2
    • Winter Games
    • California Games

    1. Re:Frets on Fire, Commodore 64 games... by wikthemighty · · Score: 1

      For more guitar action, be sure to check out Frets on Fire

      With a little bit of google-ing you can apply a 2-player mod and import all the music from Guitar Hero 1, 2, Encore and 3...

      Several people have mentioned emulation, I'd recommend a Commodore 64 emulator, there are tons of good 2 (or more) player games, here's a short list of games to try:

      • MULE
      • Dragonriders of Pern
      • Robot Rascals (better if you can get the cards)
      • Mail Order Monsters
      • Realm of Impossibility
      • Demon Stalkers
      • Jumpman
      • The Goonies (excellent 2-player co-op game)
      • Summer Games
      • Summer Games 2
      • Winter Games
      • California Games

      Oops, forgot to log in for that comment...

      You can find everything you need to play the above here!

      My favorite C64 emulator is WinVICE

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  183. Completely Agree! by crhylove · · Score: 1

    Emulators are now SUPERIOR to consoles in every way. Better graphics, better controllers, easier load system (don't have to have disks, cartridges all over!). I highly recommend the emulator 1964 and Mario Kart 64. That is THE top game at this house, and we have an xbox 360, a ps2, and 5 networked computers. Doesn't matter, the people who come over always turn on the projector and start Mario Kart 64.

    http://a977.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/73/l_ae58c1bb24714fed7fd88ce2f5283878.jpg

    With this setup everybody gets their own 6' screen! We also use the high resolution texture packs, and the surround sound speakers with the sub woofer cranked. The lightning bolt is thunderous!!!

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  184. Remember Jammie Thomas by tepples · · Score: 1

    If you want to actually follow the law, you won't get out the door in the morning. It's almost inevitable that you will break some law today - fail to fix a minor building code violation in your house, use a pesticide or disinfectant in a manner contrary to its labeling, break a minor traffic law... But do those laws have civil penalties of up to $30,000 for a violation?
    1. Re:Remember Jammie Thomas by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      civil and/or criminal, often far more than $30000 per violation. i know you were being sarcastic, but you are also wrong in your assumptions.

    2. Re:Remember Jammie Thomas by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      YHBT. Tepples brings it up every time someone mentions emulation. He's done it for years.

      That, and split-screen gaming. He's got a hard-on against people playing games on PC.

  185. Jammie Thomas by tepples · · Score: 1

    Why not break US law? There's absolutely no chance of getting punished Citation needed.
    1. Re:Jammie Thomas by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Last I checked the RIAA wasn't suing people for sharing SNES ROMs. The ESA sometimes shuts down websites, but they're going after uploaders not downloaders, and the action never progresses further than a C&D letter. For a ROM end user, the risk is essentially nil.

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    2. Re:Jammie Thomas by j35ter · · Score: 1

      You forgot that *most* people *don't* live under U.S. jurisdiction?

      I for one, allow myself to flip off your Attorney General ... Oh, and so does OBL

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    3. Re:Jammie Thomas by tepples · · Score: 1

      You forgot that *most* people *don't* live under U.S. jurisdiction? But the administrators of Slashdot do live under U.S. jurisdiction.
  186. Seriously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SERIOUS SAM!!!

  187. Suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't drudge through the other responses so forgive me if this stuff has already been said.

    I strongly suggest the Worms gameline (Armaggedon, World Party, whatever) as they all support hotseat multiplayer, have a really fun and innovative approach, and are easy to find extremely cheap (or totally free).

    You can get hundreds of NES, SNES, Gameboy Advance, Genesis, etc. in the form of emulators and ROMS. Might be hard to find nowadays, but i have like 1087 nintendo games on a single cd.

    Civilization (2, 3, and 4) and Heroes of Might and Magic (2, 3, 4, and 5) are all hotseat multiplayer. They are similar in some ways to roleplaying, or tactics/strategy games, but they aren't real time and have way more depth and interested for the less hardcore RTS's or RPG'er.

    I think X-men Legends 2: Rise of Apocalypse and Marvel Ultimate alliance support multiplayer and gamepads from a single computer, but I'm not certain. They are dungeon crawlers, which might mean they are a little "RPG" oriented, but for the most part people can find a character they enjoy. Maybe I'll think of some more later.

  188. Ok, technically it's not a multiplayer game... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but I've found Bookworm adventures to be great fun with my girlfriend. Story or logic based games that are not actually multiplayer can still be good to play with multiple people.

  189. Original XBox! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get an original xBox, softmod it, load Xbox Media Center, and download the big ass emulator disk. That out of keep you entertained for a lifetime.

  190. Gish! by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

    Gish!

    Great single player platformer, with 2-4 player deathmatch/race/etc modes.

  191. Liero or Blackbox by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

    Best multiplayer PC game, if you get controllers it's off the chain. Runs on any machine (AFAIK).

    Liero.

    In the vein of buying a console, unless you need online multiplayer the best consoles are: A Modded Xbox (original) tonnes of games/emulators media support and no disks, or a Dreamcast.

    Enjoy.

  192. The "Serious Recommendation" Thread by Qzukk · · Score: 1

    Since this seems to be the thread that's NOT about "buy a console", "play console roms", or "hide the sausage" I'll add my recommendations here:

    Competitive PC games:
    1) Fighters: Get MUGEN (and its infinite supply of custom characters/stages/mods/etc) There are Linux and Windows ports and clones of various levels of actually working-ness. I think the WinMUGEN port is probably the best supported. In modern times, pretty much the only PC fighters are Japanese, some of them have translations out there but might be tough to get legally (play-asia, paletweb, a few other sites exist for imports).
    2) Sports: Looks like people still make multiplayer football/soccer/etc games for the PC. These are all going to be Windows games (might work in Wine)
    3) Puzzle Games: Frozen Bubble and a billion others out there have competitive modes.

    Co-operative PC games (because rubbing it in when you win is likely to mean you'll be rubbing one out on your own tonight):
    1) Puzzle games: even if you can't find a co-operative tetris clone, there's always Shoulder Surfer Solitaire... if you can stand it ;)
    2) Shoot-em-ups: almost all work with gamepads. A lot of them DO have two player co-op modes, but most of the freely available ones are single player. http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~cs8k-cyu/windows/gr_e.html has a two-player gamepad mode. I've successfully built this guy's C games on Linux with a few Makefile tweaks, haven't tried porting the games he wrote in D.

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  193. Old School USB NES Controller by gbickford · · Score: 1

    Use an emulator and some old controllers from http://www.joystiq.com/2007/04/12/nes-usb-controller-dont-make-it-buy-it/ You won't ever have to blow on the cartridges or work special magic to make it stay down.

  194. Bang. Zoom. To the Moon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy some boxing gloves. Pummel. Repeat.
    Seriously, though, MAME is excellent, but I prefer GTA San Andreas. You'll have to take turns, though.

  195. Gametap by SilentChris · · Score: 1

    Works well to play a lot of old school console games and it's legal.

  196. Consoles are better for gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have been a console gamer since the original NES to todays crop of consoles, i find that games on consoles are just far more immersive and more varied than PC games.

    PC games generally fall within a handful of categories primarily FPS, MMORPG, strategy and simulations. The problem is that thats about it!!. While clearly graphics have improved the game genres have become stagnant as the primary method of controlling them has gone unchanged since the mid 1990's. Additionally quality was always an issue with CPU if it wasn't a crappy OS it was a piece of hardware not fully supported by a particular game drivers that need to be updated or else the game will routinely crash, a slew of patches that correct issue that should have been found and fixed well before the product even touched store shelves. Quality control on PC games is a nightmare because essentially anything goes there isn't a governing body licenses releases for the platform. Issue two is hardware, because PC game graphics evolve more rapidly than those of consoles hardware updates are far more regular a modern graphics card can cost $500 and beyond and is relevant for no more than two years, not to mention RAM and CPU updates and operating system support for older games.

    Console are a "One-and-Done" answer "it just works". Developers only need to design for one platform configuration and as such can optimize the hell out of it dispite the lower hardware specs these devices have been designed from the ground up with gaming in mind. In regards to PCs general usage and not primarily gaming devices and because there are thousands of hardware OS and driver combinations it if more difficult for developers to accommodate them and test them resulting in a inferior offering from a quality standpoint in general. another irksome issue with PC games are patches, patches are a pain because the enable the game developer to release substandard software to the market faster with the anticipation of patching serious flaws later; on consoles (at least prior to the X360) patches have not been possible on consoles requiring developers to release it as right as possible the first time because unless there is a serious issue there are no recalls. Console game recalls are extremely rare.

    Despite the lesser graphics of consoles they more than make up for that deficiency with their immersiveness, overall the offering of games on consoles is far more broad, with a far greater diversity of games and because each is designed using the controller as the primary input device and there are virtually no stability issues either (X360 is the only exception). No tweaking settings to see if you can get a couple more frames and no incompatibility issue or OS forced obsolescence.

    Another mis conception is that consoles are "kiddie" this could not be further from the truth, due to the less intimidating nature of the control interface it has made consoles more open a wider audience of people than ever before and are usually in a more public settings such as a family room which automatically puts them in a better position to provide an in-room multilayer experience.

    On a related Note:
    Sure companies including Nintendo put out "immature" games but in many cases for those willing to put aside their prejudices will find a very well made and rewarding experience, honestly who knows anyone who played and didn't like Mario Galaxy!! or Katamari Damacy!! and for those who say that consoles generally suck for RPGs obviously haven't played Metroid Prime 3 on Wii.

  197. Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gametap

  198. I kid you not... by Schwartzboy · · Score: 1

    People who didn't know us in college are always amazed that my wife plays console and PC games with me, enjoys some flavors of tabletop RPGs, and puts up with my incessant need to acquire more geek toys. Even after 7 years of marriage, she managed to surprise me a few weeks ago when I was telling her about how I booted off of a Knoppix CD to retrieve some files she needed off of a years-old Windows box that hasn't been booting properly for a while and she turned to me and said "Isn't it about time that we just back up what we need and fry that machine to put Linux on it?"

    I love her more every single day.

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  199. Steam: and buy old ID games like Doom2 by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

    Doom2 is why I bought a computer. Get some of those old games... you can play co-op or deathmatch or whatever. Other than that... buy old NES and SNES cartridges on Ebay for legal reasons, then download the ROMS and play the ROMS on emulators.

  200. Grammar Nazi: Myriad by 7Prime · · Score: 1

    Offtopic as hell, I know...

    But "Myriad of" is grammatically incorrect since "myriad" litterally means "A lot of". So it's like saying, "There are a lot of of two player titles...". Myriad is a great word, use it with care.

    "There are a myriad two player titles..."

    Thank you, and good night.

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  201. Re:a relatively newly married young couple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what part of "No 'Find the Sausage' jokes" did you not understand?

    This is Slashdot, so I'm going to guess "all of it".

    What did I win? Another Sausage!

    Sorry, couldn't resist.
  202. This is like buying a car... by 7Prime · · Score: 1

    This is sort of like saying, "I want a car that gets killer gas millage, is incredibly reliable and fairly compact... oh, and it must be made by GM"

    No dipshit... buy a Toyota or a Honda.

    What this couple needs is a console. Everything they've asked for fits more with the philosophies with console gaming. Price will be comparable to even slightly to a console's advantage. The only thing stopping them is some irrational love of PCs, or some irrational hatred of consoles. I'm sorry, but few are going to cater to this type of bullshit. This subsection of gamers is too small to waste money on.

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  203. Mods by tepples · · Score: 1

    But it IS being served, by consoles! Consoles lack two things: indie games, and indie mods for commercial games. For example, Dance Dance Revolution for the consoles can play only a few dozen built-in songs, but StepMania for Windows and Linux can play any song that can be transcoded into Ogg Vorbis.

    This is sort of like saying, "I want a car that gets killer gas millage, is incredibly reliable and fairly compact... oh, and it must be made by GM"

    No dipshit... buy a Toyota or a Honda. In this analogy, GM replacement parts are made by every generic maker, but Toyota and Honda replacement parts are made only by licensees of Toyota and Honda.
  204. Good Multiplayer PC games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was in a similar boat to you - console-style multiplayer games on a PC system. In the end, we found quite a few good games:

    Little Fighter 2
    Simple 2D fighter
    Has:
        Gamepad support
        Up to 4 players
        Co-op mode
        Versus Mode
        Modding Community
        Free

    GL Tron
    Simple 3D arcade game of Tron
    Has:
        Gamepad Support
        Up to 4 players
        Open Source

    Project 64
    N64 Emulator
    Some good roms can be found here.
    Has:
        Gamepad Support
        Super Smash Brothers!
        Huge catalogue of old games
        Up to 4 players
        Free

    Lego Star Wars
    Has:
        Gamepad Support
        2 player co-op

    To be honest, we only ever played the demo of this, but it seemed a pretty good game, and it's got good reviews.

    Frets on Fire
    PC Guitar Hero clone
    Has:
        Split screen play
        Gamepad/Official Controller Support
        Import Guitar Hero songs
        Open Source
        Community made songs, mods, etc.

    A little warning with this one: it takes a while to set up. It should really be considered beta software, and ATM it is going through some developer reorganisation. The official game is still kinda buggy, but there is a good fork available (just hidden away in forums). Will probably become a lot better in a few months time.

    If you can get a cheap old PC and get a small LAN together, you'll get a lot more options - there's a lot of good old PC games out there. If you want to game on the cheap, just stick to the older games - Win98 era or so.

  205. Definition of copyright abandonment by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    However, the case of CherryRoms shows that most SNES roms are fine to download. To stay legal, just find a ROM site that complies with takedown notices. So in other words, you say CherryRoms is in the same situation as YouTube.

    Moving on, it's unfortunate that you added to the confusion over terms by inventing the action of "abandoning copyright". I'm pretty sure this is not an actual legal term Wikipedia's article about abandonment states the following: "In the domain of copyright, abandonment is recognized as the explicit release of material by a copyright holder into the public domain." Nintendo has not done this with its own titles, nor has Nintendo done this with the code libraries that were "licensed by Nintendo" for linking into each game.

    However this reply fails to account for how business is actually done: video game companies often farm out development or other aspects of game making to third parties. Have you researched whether all these copyrights were transferred (and transferred correctly) to Nintendo? The copyright notice displayed when the program starts should disclose whether parts of the game were a work made for hire or merely licensed. For example, NBA Jam Tournament Edition contains a 2-screen legal notice containing "copyright Midway", "copyright NBA Properties", "copyright Acclaim", "programmed by Iguana", and "licensed by Nintendo". The wording of the notice appears to indicate that Iguana was under work-for-hire conditions, but everyone else mentioned owns a piece of the copyright.
    1. Re:Definition of copyright abandonment by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      You again fail to cite any actual proof of what you're claiming. Where are the copyright records that prove Nintendo still holds all these copyrights? A copyright notice on a work does not prove that a person/company still holds that copyright today, nor does it prove that they ever did.

    2. Re:Definition of copyright abandonment by crossmr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      and you never cited any to the contrary. Do you have any evidence that a rom nintendo claimed copyright on doesn't actually belong to them or are you just trolling?
      We can all sit around and spout theories all day, but since you proposed this line of thought why don't you provide some actual leg work?

    3. Re:Definition of copyright abandonment by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      The OP claimed that Nintendo still holds the copyright to all the games they released for Super Nintendo. I pointed out that this may not be the case; the only way to be sure would be to dig up the copyright records. The OP responds that "Nintendo hasn't done that". I point out, again, that they really would need to dig up the records to actually prove this.

      Yet for some reason you think that it is me who should be looking up these records. This reasoning makes no sense. The OP, not me, is the one making unsusbstantiated claims (copyright status) about a third party (Nintendo). This means that the burden of proof is on the OP, not me.

  206. If your girlfriend won't play games you like... by 5n3ak3rp1mp · · Score: 1

    You need to reroll. ;)

    Dude, just get a used Wii. While I managed to find a girlfriend who DOES enjoy mmorpg's, we have also had a blast with the Smartypants trivia game on the Wii, and a few other Wii games.

  207. question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think he is asking how to make a computer a more console-esque environment during actual gameplay.

    +don't be afraid to get game pads.
    +get a really big high rez monitor
    +get that stereo system you've always wanted for your tv for your computer
    +make sure you computer is speedy enough to handle a good gaming experience
    +get a joystick
    +etc etc

  208. M.U.G.E.N by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    best 2d fighting game there is
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.U.G.E.N

  209. Please, no more console suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please, no more "Just buy a console" posts. A hundred people have already posted it, and it completely fails to answer the question.

    You need to consider that some people don't want to own a console for reasons that have nothing to do with money.

    I don't own a console because I don't want to support their business model. I despise hardware that's specifically designed to prevent me from using it however I want.

    It used to be that Slashdot was one of few places where you could hold a view like that without being the odd man out. How many people here refuse to use Windows because it isn't open enough? Windows is ten-fold more open than any recent console. It would be nice if there were some advice here for people who still hold to open ideologies.

    That said, here's my best suggestion. I love old school adventure games, and though they're single player, they can be fun to collaborate on. Take turns handling the controls (the other player is free to suggest what course of action to take next).

    All of the LucasArts adventures are amazing: The entire Monkey Island series (there are four), Sam & Max Hit the Road and Dig. In addition to that, try The Longest Journey (the sequel is also good, but it's very easy) and the new episodic Sam & Max games. Somebody else in this thread suggested Gametap, which would have some of these games (I know all the Sam & Max episodes are on it).
    --Justin

  210. Re:Suggestions... by sixpenny_83 · · Score: 1

    Lode Runner: The Legend Returns is a puzzle type game with excellent coop play. Some of the levels are designed where you can only beat it if you time your cooperation.

    Pocket Tanks Deluxe is also a classic.

  211. Games for Windows and 360 controllers, Oh My! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, As a real suggestion, i can suggest the new "games for windows" series, a lot of them started as console games. i can also suggest using xbox 360 controllers for gamepads..the games for windows games detect the gamepads immediately and actually includes rumble functionality as if it were a console game...which i've found adds to the experience, personally.

    but in the end, it depends on the kind of games you're into playing. one would love rumble function for a shooter like Crysis or Call of duty, but wouldn't find it so necessary for Mario brothers or monopoly.

  212. alternate turns? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife and I play platformers together by handing off the controller in stages. If you can handle that without ripping the controller out of each other's hands, that would open up many games to play together.

  213. You and the wife need to try some old classics by CitznFish · · Score: 0

    My GF and I have the best time playing old classics from Lucas Arts together.

    I'm talking about games like "Day of the Tentacle" and "Sam and Max Hit The Road" and the others like it.

    I highly recommend trying these if you can. We spent hours together trying to solve them.

    Best of luck.

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    'mmmmmmmmm.... forbidden donut'
  214. An Actual Response by Ezzelin · · Score: 1

    Since everyone else just seems to tell you to get a console, I'd thought I'd actually list a few good PC games that are actually fun to play multiplayer on the same screen. Yes, they do exist. It's a great platform for the task, and if people started actually taking it seriously as such, we could probably see more games like this.

    Worms Armageddon (already been mentioned a few times)

    Heboris (great customizable two player Tetris game)
    http://tetrisconcept.com/wiki/index.php?title=Heboris

    Super Mario War (very fun party game where the goal is to stomp on the other player's heads)
    http://smw.72dpiarmy.com/

    Stepmania (DDR style game that can take all sorts of songs)
    http://www.stepmania.com/

    Atomic Bomberman (8 player Bomberman on the PC)

    You Don't Know Jack (fun and wacky non-trivia game, huge series of them)

    Also, try looking at the list of simultaneous player games at Home of the Underdogs. There are a LOT of games. (http://www.the-underdogs.info/multi.php?sort=SHS)

  215. slightly off topic but can't help it suggestion... by neonsignal · · Score: 1

    strip poker

  216. Buy the game and download it. by Mr+EdgEy · · Score: 1

    Is it illegal? Grey area. But can you honestly consider it immoral at all? Nintendo don't sell PC versions of their games, they never did.

  217. Gametap subscription by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    gametap.com

    Plenty of early/mid console type, gamepad style gaming on that. And when she gets bored, you can play the PC style games.

    Of course, it costs per month, though there's some sort of trial or free type play now too I guess, and I'm getting the distinct impression that everyone here wants something for free or near enough.

  218. Re:a relatively newly married young couple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OH MY GAWDS NOT FUNNY STUFF ON TEH INTERBUTTS. ONLY SERIOUS BZNZZZ SHOULD BE ALLOWED ON MAH SLARSHDOTS.

    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

  219. Xbox Controllers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife (3 kids and 4th on the way) and I are in the same boat.
    We have 2 xbox wireless controllers with the usb receiver and they work great. Most of the games that we play are with mame (although our mame dance dance revolution doesn't work, so we use a psx emulator).
    We mostly play Puzzle Bobble (Bust-A-Move), Gem Fighter (Street Fighter kids), and Puzzle Fighter (street fighter tetris).
    JJ

  220. I have experience: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Serious sam is great for 2 PC's, but for one PC gamepad fun try

    shadowgrounds 1 and 2 which is 1-4 people on the same screen and works great with gamepads, probably the best recommendation here if I do say so myself :) :)

    Mugen which is street fighter/mortal kombat style all in one, and free

    minigolf linux games are great and free

    The marvel ultimate alliance birds eye view shared screen beat em ups are fun too, but not so much for girls sometimes.

    I'm sure you know all about emulation so no need to get into that. (mario cart smash brothers etc)

  221. Dreamcast Emulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My partner and I emulate a dreamcast, using NullDC.

    Then we play Soul Calibur, Crazy Taxi, and other games. It's not hard to setup and the hardware requirements aren't too bad.

    g'luck.

  222. Gametap, Old Console Emulation by KanSer · · Score: 1

    Gametap! (No. Seriously.)

    Retro Emulation. (With an emphasis on the SNES. ZSNES is the obvs one.)

    15 dollar gamepads from Radioshack.

    'nuf said.

    Oh wait. THE CURSE OF MONKEY ISLAND. That game can make any woman a gamer. No lie. Make sure that you have a nice stereo hooked up.

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  223. Escape Velocity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wanted to point out that SubSpace is very similar to Ambrosia Software's "Escape Velocity" (and its sequels), which predates SubSpace. When it was written, the players said "This is a great basis for a multiplayer game, either LAN or online; will you do it?". Ambrosia said "Naw, the game wasn't coded for it and it would require a total re-write." EV Override came and went (rather thankfully in the fans' opinion I think), and then EV Nova became so popular that Ambrosia released it for Windows ca. 2002/3 after being Mac-only before. (They've only done that with one game since, to my knowledge.

    To this day, their EV franchise has no multiplayer, but it's such a good single-player universe that you can let it slide.

  224. Re:Suggestions... by Shihar · · Score: 1

    I just want to throw up my whole hearted support of GameTap. They have plenty of great old console games. Even better (and I know this isn't what you want), they have some truly awesome older computer games. You can really start to appreciate the quality of what came before. Games have gotten prettier, but after having fooled around on game tap of a good year so, I don't think they have actually gotten any better.

  225. itchy RaVeN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop being cheap and buy an original xbox, perform a light mod on there and you got yourself a great multimedia device. you can load all emulators for ps1, SNES, megadrive and all the other classic consoles, plus you have all the xbox games you require on simple downloads.

    No matter how expensive a Gaming PC is you will never beat an xbox or an xbox 360 for multi player gaming.

    you could pick a old Xbox up on ebay for about £20 around $40. a simple investment.

    GO FOR IT!

  226. Additional site for Games on Linux by evolutionary · · Score: 0
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    "Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Einstein
  227. emulators + game controllers + online games by Kuvter · · Score: 1

    There are pretty cheap adaptors to make game controllers (PS2) work on the computer and many emulators let you map the buttons quickly and easily. I haven't tried any games with 2 controllers this way, but I hear it's possible. Also there is a way to make a Wiimote work with through a cheap Bluetooth usb dongle so you could play various games (many online ones) with that as well.

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    "To do is to be." -- Aristotle
    "Do-Be-Do-Be-Do..." --Sinatra
  228. Re:a relatively newly married young couple? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    Great for you! Thanks to you it took me 2 months to finish Soul Reaver!

  229. Re:Suggestions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Worms Armageddon - great game!

    It's also turn based, which is something else you might look into with 2 people on 1 laptop.

  230. Gametap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get two 360 controllers for windows, and go get gametap. Its 20$ a month, gives you like 900 pc/console games that nearly all work with a controller and its very easy to setup.

    You browse through the game titles, decide on which on you want to play and it downloads it to your laptop. Looks great on a tv, will run on a laptop, and it costs 20$ a month, which is cheaper than a console and a bunch of games, more legal than downloading a bunch of roms, and is visually appealing to the misses, i play with mine on my big screen.

  231. Cave Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It isn't two-player, but it's almost like it is one of the greatest games that came out for the NES that you haven't heard of (even though it's a PC game).

    Cave Story/Dokutsu Monogatari

    This is a link to the website of one of the guys who made the english translation of it. It also has links to the website of the game's creator (Pixel) and the free download. It's very much worth playing, it's a very great action/platform type game sort of like the new style Metroid and Castlevania titles. It has a great retro vibe too, as well as having an interesting story and even several endings (you haven't seen some of the most awesome stuff in the game if you haven't gotten the 'good' ending).

  232. Bitmap Brothers by rpillala · · Score: 1

    There was a game called Gods some time ago that is a whole lot of fun and very console looking. The Bitmap Brothers who produced that (and also Xenon 2 which is great) recently released their new Speedball game over Steam. You should get that too. I'm a fan of most of their stuff, as you might guess.

    Also, since "RPG" covers so much ground these days, I will recommend Summoner (the first one) since it was a lot of fun but it's a "console RPG," as is Anachronox. I can highly recommend Anachronox also. It's funny in a way that most games try to be but are not.

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    When the axe came to the forest, the trees said, "Look out - the handle was once one of us."