Not to be too pedantic, but "PERL" is correctly spelled "Perl", ie, with normal capitalization, not all caps. "Perl" is the name of the language, and "perl" is generally how people refer to the Perl interpreter.
Hence the cute anecdote, "Only perl can parse Perl."
Novell executives have stated that they own the copyrights, and they belive that Linux does not in any way infringe upon them. Novell would be even less capable of saying, "But we didn't know!"
Do you know anything about book sales? You do know that most authors don't make much, if anything, from sales of their books. A book like this, with a very small potential market, is bound(bad pun, or coincidence?) to make very little money.
That said, this asshat has probably already made his money, considering this whole fiasco was sponsored by other organizations.
There is nothing to lose by responding to him. On the contrary, we have already gained because of the rebuttals, that gain being that it is quite clear to everyone who bothers to look that this guy hasn't the first fucking clue what he's talking about.
Ok, so this is pretty neat. The screenshots look pretty nice, and I'm downloading the video(ISDN, bleh), but what I really find interesting is the mention of a hardware raytracing GPU, and a link to a working prototype.
So my question is, for those of us who don't know the first thing about 3D graphics, what are the pros and cons of a raytracing GPU, compared to the polygon pushers we currently know and love.
Fucking priceless. Just now as the FTC is looking into why the USPTO grants something ridiculous like 95% of all patent applications that come their way...
Internationally respected just like this dolt knows the history of UNIX!
So, have any of you guys like hulked out, turned huge and green, and then smashed your systems yet?;)
Oh yeah, all the time! If not for that, I'd be able to pay off my car and credit cards. Replacing my desktop machine all the time really puts a dent in my finances!
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Why do you think he's trolling?
Because stratjakt is often trolling. Every single story related to Linux, he has to put in his two ill-informed cents. Just see the recent X copy/paste "Ask Slashdot." He rambled about how X is so broken, without even a modicum of understanding of how the X clipboard/selection buffers work. Not that X doesn't have problems of course, but posting inaccurate drivel all the time leads me to believe he's either a complete moron, a troll, or some kind of shill(doubtful, he seems to be a student).
Several months ago, stratjakt posted a string of comments in SCO discussions, claiming he knew first-hand (or something) that Linux had stolen SCO code and that SCO would win, and other such fairly obvious lies. A number of moderators fell for it. (Un)fortuneately, after other posters pointed out that he was lying(easy, since his posts all contradicted each other - he was claiming to be an employee at a bunch of different places and such - I don't remember the particulars), his posts were modded to -1, making them difficult if not impossible to find now. I don't know what his motivation was/is, but he is most certainly not a trustworty person.
The guy makes a good point.
No, he didn't. "Software installation on Linux is far from ideal," would be a good point. Inaccurate exaggerations coupled with outright falsehoods is a troll.
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Why do you troll every Linux story, when you obviously know very little about Linux in the first place, and are obviously not very interested in Linux developments.
Can't people just install their own peer-to-peer and blogging apps?
Sure, but they can install web-browsers, mail clients, et cetera too.
Why not make an installation system that works as simply as clicking setuppackage.msi is in Windows and let the other problems solve themselves?
Often it is that easy, with a number of caveats, however. If you use a distro and stick with packages for that distro, you won't have a problem. If not, well, you made that decision. People who aren't Unix saavy should stick to packages designed for their distro, meaning they should be using a mainstream distro like Fedora, Mandrake, SuSe, et al.
Why not just make a working desktop first?
News to me that it doesn't work, considering I'm using it now, and been using it for years. I'm a bad example of course, being Unix saavy and all, but I have several friends who switched to Linux on their own, over a year ago.
Sheesh. Yeah, this year will be the year of linux-on-the-desktop now that we have integrated blogging. That was sure the barrier for entry to me.
Well I'm always glad to hear of another Linux convert...
copy&paste is an example of something you'd expect to work, even between different toolkits; because if you are just an user, you don't care about toolkits
Right, and it does work find between KDE and GNOME.
Which I guess illustrates part of the problem - if you have to have a clue about the selection buffers it's probably not an optimal design for average users.
No, that's completely wrong. You don't need to have a clue. If you don't know anything about it, it works just like Windows. Control+C/V/X. If you are a "power user," however, there is extra functionality that you must understand to use correctly. Said extra functionality doesn't even interact with the "regular" clipboard. Sheesh... Is it too much to ask that people get a clue before chiming in on discussions? "X suxx0rz d00d!"
So it doesn't work like Windows then. Windows CTRL+C/V or right click Copy & Paste works on graphics as well as text in Windows.
Correct, or almost. That is a real problem in X and X apps, and people are too stupid to complain about that and instead complain about problems that don't even exist.
Ah. How do you call that thing that gets launched when you type "startx" then? I think we just have a terminoloogy problem right here.
No, it's not a terminology problem. You are simply using the incorrect name for it. You don't call a Volvo a Honda, neither do you call X, X Windows.
And no, it has nothing to do with the word "windows," as another poster said. The fact is, it's just not called that.
There are PRIMARY, SECONDARY, CLIPBOARD.
Ah, right you are.
Actually, apps can ask for any clipboard by providing their own names. Too much liberty in the implementation and a lack of a properly defined standard is the main problem.
I fail to see how there is a problem! What apps are there that don't Do The Right Thing(TM) these days? I haven't used one in years. Clearly standards are being adopted.
So you don't use xterms at all then. I still do.
Of course I do, but I don't generally use "xterm." Anyway, xterm uses the primary buffer... so...? You can't use control+c/x/v in a terminal anyway, and xterm doesn't implement something like shift+control+c/x/v as a workaround. I see that as a failing of xterm, not X.
I can't think of a single application that still does that. The only applications I've ever used that did that were QT
GTK has always done it right, *Motif too(except some Motif apps use Alt instead of Control for copy/paste)...
* at least for the past 7 years anyway... 7 years ago being when I switched to *nix on the desktop.
p/.
And you know this... HOW? The guy didn't say what apps he uses, or even hint that he had the first clue about X's copy/paste and selection buffers.
Who the hell is moderating this shit? 99% of the posters have it 100% wrong. Fucking Christ, if noone knew about the highlight / middle mouse-button selection mechanism, everyone would just use copy/paste just like on Windows and noone would notice any difference.
There are real *problems with X and X applications, but so far everyone has been way-the-hell off-base.
* Eg. I can't think of any two programs that can copy/paste graphics between each other.
Are you daft man? Almost every single new gui app for *nix uses Control+C/V for copy/paste. Non-gui apps behave differently, obviously, which is the same way it is on any other OS with non-GUI apps. Even on OSes with DOS ancestry, different non-GUI apps use different key-bindings.
Fucking Christ man, you cite copy/paste from GUI to/from an xterm, yet the same "problem" is present on Windows with the command prompt, ie. you cannot just hit control+c/v to copy/paste to/from it.
Stop being such an asshole flaming Linux every "chance" you get. If you don't like it, why the fuck do you care so much?
Linux and X have plenty of real problems, like 3D video driver issues(lack of enough drivers for one), lack of a really good/common sound API like Jack, lack of the ability to copy/paste image data between (most) apps, etc.
Why do you constantly make shit up, like your SCO trollings and now this bullshit about copy/paste which was mostly false? Are you really just that much of an asshole?
The only thing you said that is true is that there is no way to copy/paste images using the X clipboard.
The X clipboard is not broken, you just don't understand it. There are several posts explaining it already posted, two being my own, so I won't repeat it in its entirety. The short version is that middle+click and meta/control+c/v are two separate buffers, and people get confused by that. If someone didn't know anything about X, they would most likely never notice the middle+click buffer, sticking to control+c/v which nearly all new apps use as the default key bindings for copy/paste.
There are tons of SDKs for X-Windows, almost all of them using a separate clipboard implementation/mechanism.
2. The above is completely false. X has a primary and secondary copy/paste buffer. It always works the same way, the only real caveat being that apps can use different key combos to control the primary buffer. I haven't used an app in years that used anything other than control+c/v for the primary buffer.
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Hence the cute anecdote, "Only perl can parse Perl."
#!/usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use warnings;
use DBI;
my $dsn = "dbi:mysql:host:database";
my $user = "someone";
my $pass = "password";
my $dbh = DBI->connect($dsn, $user, $pass);
$dbh->do("UPDATE users SET dirty=1 WHERE userId=213531");
Is that not quick and dirty enough?
I had read good reviews of your book before, but couldn't remember what it was called :-/
That said, this asshat has probably already made his money, considering this whole fiasco was sponsored by other organizations.
There is nothing to lose by responding to him. On the contrary, we have already gained because of the rebuttals, that gain being that it is quite clear to everyone who bothers to look that this guy hasn't the first fucking clue what he's talking about.
So my question is, for those of us who don't know the first thing about 3D graphics, what are the pros and cons of a raytracing GPU, compared to the polygon pushers we currently know and love.
Internationally respected just like this dolt knows the history of UNIX!
Because stratjakt is often trolling. Every single story related to Linux, he has to put in his two ill-informed cents. Just see the recent X copy/paste "Ask Slashdot." He rambled about how X is so broken, without even a modicum of understanding of how the X clipboard/selection buffers work. Not that X doesn't have problems of course, but posting inaccurate drivel all the time leads me to believe he's either a complete moron, a troll, or some kind of shill(doubtful, he seems to be a student).
Several months ago, stratjakt posted a string of comments in SCO discussions, claiming he knew first-hand (or something) that Linux had stolen SCO code and that SCO would win, and other such fairly obvious lies. A number of moderators fell for it. (Un)fortuneately, after other posters pointed out that he was lying(easy, since his posts all contradicted each other - he was claiming to be an employee at a bunch of different places and such - I don't remember the particulars), his posts were modded to -1, making them difficult if not impossible to find now. I don't know what his motivation was/is, but he is most certainly not a trustworty person.
The guy makes a good point.
No, he didn't. "Software installation on Linux is far from ideal," would be a good point. Inaccurate exaggerations coupled with outright falsehoods is a troll.
Can't people just install their own peer-to-peer and blogging apps?
Sure, but they can install web-browsers, mail clients, et cetera too.
Why not make an installation system that works as simply as clicking setuppackage.msi is in Windows and let the other problems solve themselves?
Often it is that easy, with a number of caveats, however. If you use a distro and stick with packages for that distro, you won't have a problem. If not, well, you made that decision. People who aren't Unix saavy should stick to packages designed for their distro, meaning they should be using a mainstream distro like Fedora, Mandrake, SuSe, et al.
Why not just make a working desktop first?
News to me that it doesn't work, considering I'm using it now, and been using it for years. I'm a bad example of course, being Unix saavy and all, but I have several friends who switched to Linux on their own, over a year ago.
Sheesh. Yeah, this year will be the year of linux-on-the-desktop now that we have integrated blogging. That was sure the barrier for entry to me.
Well I'm always glad to hear of another Linux convert...
Right, and it does work find between KDE and GNOME.
No, that's completely wrong. You don't need to have a clue. If you don't know anything about it, it works just like Windows. Control+C/V/X. If you are a "power user," however, there is extra functionality that you must understand to use correctly. Said extra functionality doesn't even interact with the "regular" clipboard. Sheesh... Is it too much to ask that people get a clue before chiming in on discussions? "X suxx0rz d00d!"
So it doesn't work like Windows then. Windows CTRL+C/V or right click Copy & Paste works on graphics as well as text in Windows.
Correct, or almost. That is a real problem in X and X apps, and people are too stupid to complain about that and instead complain about problems that don't even exist.
Perhaps it's just a crappy app that doesn't function properly without KDE running. And what's that to do with copy/paste?
No, it's not a terminology problem. You are simply using the incorrect name for it. You don't call a Volvo a Honda, neither do you call X, X Windows.
And no, it has nothing to do with the word "windows," as another poster said. The fact is, it's just not called that.
There are PRIMARY, SECONDARY, CLIPBOARD. Ah, right you are.
Actually, apps can ask for any clipboard by providing their own names. Too much liberty in the implementation and a lack of a properly defined standard is the main problem.
I fail to see how there is a problem! What apps are there that don't Do The Right Thing(TM) these days? I haven't used one in years. Clearly standards are being adopted.
So you don't use xterms at all then. I still do.
Of course I do, but I don't generally use "xterm." Anyway, xterm uses the primary buffer... so...? You can't use control+c/x/v in a terminal anyway, and xterm doesn't implement something like shift+control+c/x/v as a workaround. I see that as a failing of xterm, not X.
* at least for the past 7 years anyway... 7 years ago being when I switched to *nix on the desktop. p /.
The point is, you can *always use Control+C/X/V with modern GUI apps for *nix, including between QT and GTK apps.
* not quite always, but nearly so. The same is true of Windows and Mac OS X.
Who the hell is moderating this shit? 99% of the posters have it 100% wrong. Fucking Christ, if noone knew about the highlight / middle mouse-button selection mechanism, everyone would just use copy/paste just like on Windows and noone would notice any difference.
There are real *problems with X and X applications, but so far everyone has been way-the-hell off-base.
* Eg. I can't think of any two programs that can copy/paste graphics between each other.
Fucking Christ man, you cite copy/paste from GUI to/from an xterm, yet the same "problem" is present on Windows with the command prompt, ie. you cannot just hit control+c/v to copy/paste to/from it.
Stop being such an asshole flaming Linux every "chance" you get. If you don't like it, why the fuck do you care so much?
Linux and X have plenty of real problems, like 3D video driver issues(lack of enough drivers for one), lack of a really good/common sound API like Jack, lack of the ability to copy/paste image data between (most) apps, etc.
Why do you constantly make shit up, like your SCO trollings and now this bullshit about copy/paste which was mostly false? Are you really just that much of an asshole?
Sheesh...
Control+C has the same meaning in Windows and Apple command prompts too, so if someone complains about that, kick them in the crotch.
sometimes it is painful to copy&paste between gnome and kde apps, but this has nothing to do with two clipboards in X
This problem was solved years ago.
The only X clipboard deficiency is lack of support for non-text data, like images and such.
Now _that_ is a problem to work on. Sheesh, X has loads of problems, but people always complain about the ones that don't even exist...
The X clipboard is not broken, you just don't understand it. There are several posts explaining it already posted, two being my own, so I won't repeat it in its entirety. The short version is that middle+click and meta/control+c/v are two separate buffers, and people get confused by that. If someone didn't know anything about X, they would most likely never notice the middle+click buffer, sticking to control+c/v which nearly all new apps use as the default key bindings for copy/paste.
There are tons of SDKs for X-Windows, almost all of them using a separate clipboard implementation/mechanism.
2. The above is completely false. X has a primary and secondary copy/paste buffer. It always works the same way, the only real caveat being that apps can use different key combos to control the primary buffer. I haven't used an app in years that used anything other than control+c/v for the primary buffer.