I don't get it, what is the problem? X has two copy/paste buffers. One is used with highlight/middle mouse button, the other is like Windows, except the keybindings are specific to the app/toolkit. Generally, all new apps use control+c and control+v, just like Windows. Sans vim, I haven't used an app that uses anything other than control+c/v in years.
So what is the problem? Are the apps you use broken?
Are you daft, man? Microsoft "standards" may not be implementable by others, due to patents, Windows hooks in the "standard," and etc. Ever heard of ActiveX?
Microsoft's goal is to lock everyone else out, and if there's anything they're good it, it's that.
Anyway, Moz and Opera working together can only be good. It would be even better if they could work with Apple and the kHTML guys too.
I was overstating it, glad it made someone laugh:) -- I have used firearms and they don't just "go off." A semi-auto requires roughly a 5 or 8 lb. pull to fire off the first round. OTOH, think about the sort of person that stuffs a gun in their pants... Generally pretty stupid. I can imagine someone like that reaching for their loaded, cocked gun, and it getting snagged while pulling it out of their pants, finger already on the trigger...:D
Here's my plea. It goes out to all the parents, older siblings, guardians of any kind in America, and et cetera. Here it is:
If you are responsible for raising a child, please teach them that they will one day be entirely responsible for their actions and no one will be there to help them when they screw up. Also, let them know that, currently, you are responsible for their actions, and if their actions should cause you harm, they will be punished, punished so that they will wish they hadn't engaged in said actions. Ie. if they do something really stupid like kill or maim someone, they will regret it for the rest of their life.
Here's a couple more items to instill in their young minds:
Gangs aren't cool. People in gangs wind up dead or in jail.
Being intelligent is something to be proud of, not looked down upon.
Just because the other kids are doing it doesn't mean it's good. On the contrary, most people are absolutely fucking idiotic, be different, be yourself, and you will undoubtably be better for it.
TV isn't representative of reality, and neither are video-games, porn, comic books, et cetera.
If you are kind, sharing, helpful, people will love you. If you are considered "cool," you will one day find that you have no real friends to depend on when you need them.
Carrying a firearm around tucked in your pants doesn't make you tough or cool, on the contrary, you may shoot off your genitals.
Threatening younger / smaller people doesn't make you tough, standing up for younger / smaller people does.
That's a start. American youth have many more common mental/social deficiencies that need correcting, but those are some of the major ones off the top of my head.
What on earth are you going on about? Cash on hand is always good for a business. Opera made a decision to take the money instead of exhausting more resources attacking MS publicly, in what would probably end up being a complete waste of effort.
The only thing that remains to be seen is whether Opera can continue to be innovative enough to stay in the market, and considering their growing reach into the handheld market, where they're kicking the shit out of MS, it seems likely.
Embrace, extend, and exterminate is the MS way. This is just a variation on the theme.
HOW!? MS settled with Opera because it was cheaper than paying lawyers and PR folk to combat them. Opera took the settlement because doing otherwise would be futile, and $12M is always nice to have.
How does that have ANYTHING to do with "embracing and extending," and why is Opera just as responsible?
... is why people are always making you answer the stupidest questions over and over!:D
Sheesh, the whole project is Open Source / Free software, with a largely open, public, and transparent development process. Go to mozilla.org and all the mozilla portals and learn a little bit about the project, where it's headed, why it's headed that way, who's responsible for it, how it can benefit you, how you can help, and et cetera.
I think I agree with you, only because "Windows Update" shouldn't require a browser at all. It requires "ActiveX" so it can run some code, but why is that code tied to the browser in the first place?
Stupid, and obviously part of their attempts to make the web Windows®-only.
Then you are a complete idiot and have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
Proper CSS2 allows at least 75% bandwidth savings serving up html, quicker rendering, easy user customizability, nicer / easier degradation, separation of content and design, etc. PNG would actually make the web much prettier, give more freedom to artists, save bandwidth in many ways, etc.
Should MS be forced to integrate Flash into the browser just because some websites use it (you would all go fucking ballistic if they took Shockwave over to do so)?
Are you insane? Why would MS need to "take Shockwave over" to do that, and what do you even mean by that? And isn't Flash usually already installed on most new machines anyway? What has that got to do with anything!?
Whether this does any good, other than a damaged MS competitor getting a small cash infusion, remains to be seen. Opera is a business, in the pursuit of money, so a "$12 mil bone" is surely a positive thing for them.
You're comment about Opera being "as responsible as MS" is asbolutely devoid of any logical reasoning.
How is playing a song on my phone as the ringtone different than playing songs on my (disc|walk|mp3)man? I can put music on my alarm clock too(CDs), should they get extra royalties for that?
These people are insane... why aren't they simply ignored? Oh, right... they bribe our politicians, and sometimes even write the actual laws they want passed -- God bless Word(TM) meta-data.
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A microkernel isn't required to load/unload subsystems on the fly. In Linux there are two separate sound subsystems(as of kernel 2.6), OSS and Alsa. They are completely separate. You can unload one and load the other on a running system without a reboot.
The fact that this doesn't apply to Windows is a design problem with Windows, not with monolithic kernels in general.
But of course you are correct about drivers crashing, you are much safer with a microkernel. OTOH, even with a microkernel if a driver crashes, it can still bring down the system, since the driver is accessing the hardware, but that is far less likely.
I expect Linux will be replaced by the HURD in 2195 or so, so expect to see microkernels take over the desktop then:D
Not sense[sic] "Please kill yourself," no. Should I have?
Then why respond at all? And no, that is false. I said that in my second reply to you, after you said that everything I said was devoid of content without any elaboration. Which is something you frequently do to people, ie. writing off everything they say for no apparent reason.
Sounds like you're a bit confused about the definition of the term "straw man.
Ah, you're right. Not a strawman, just pure ad hominem. Instead of responding to me, you shifted to attacking my "childish antics."
Uhhh... Excuse me? You shouldn't make assumptions. I _am_ an adult, I just truly find you to be an absolutely despicable person.
No, really, from one adult to another, I think the world would be a better place without you.
Ok ok, so that's trolling a bit, but no matter.
You are unbelievable. You post on/. all the time about the virtues of software patents, while to nearly everyone else it is blindingly obvious that the US patent office is completely broken. In all of my professional experience, over 6 years, I have never spoken to another programmer who thought the patent office was doing a decent job, even among those who think software should be patentable. Not a single one.
Countless people have rebutted you here on/., many professionals who program for a living, and yet you maintain your ridiculous, braindead opinions, and you spout them off like you're superior to everyone who actually works in the industry creating things. You're absolutely ridiculous...
Devoid of content? Because it contradicts your opinions? Piss off.
Fact: I'm stupid, yet I come up with patentable ideas on my own, which I never realize till years later when some asshole patents them.
Fact: Those ideas shouldn't be patentable; I'm far too stupid to come up with something truly original.
Fact: The patent office is doing a terrible job deciding what should be patentable.
Fact: You're a fucking idiot.
Ummm... no, like he said, it matches many of the 40 claims quite closely. The major difference being Apple's implementation is time-based, whereas his is, or was, focus-based. Other than that, they are both quite similar. It used to be that something had to be more original than that to be worthy of a patent.
You know, if you weren't such an insufferable asshole, you'd stop denying the reality of the world we live in. That being that all of the progress we have made as human beings is the result of an intellectual commons you claim is morally bankrupt, that simply being science in general, which, as someone else said, is an "intellectual commons if there ever was one." If every tiny advancement made in history was encumbered by a myriad of patents, we'd still be rubbing sticks to make fire, if you can find the right combination of sticks, flint, etc. that wasn't still encumbered by "intellectual property concerns."
You know, the fathers of this country were very cautious to limit the extent of so called "intellectual property," because they understood this. Other countries were, at the time, much more protectionist regarding intellectual endeavors. You, OTOH, apparently believe that tiny little differences in things of much larger scope makes for valid patent material, and hence granting long lasting monopolies to those who have the wealth to engage in pretectionist rackets for fucking obvious bullshit that people have already done in one form or another. So fucking piss off, you and all the goddam like-minded assholes patenting bullshit that is just some fucking old idea, "ON TEH INTARWEB" or a simple set of common GUI controls layed out in a specific manner.
Apparently, "use your brain" to you means something very different than it does to most people who actually invent things. I can't tell you how many times I've written some code, only to find out several years later that someone just got a patent on some bullshit that does the same damn thing. Fuck that. That's patents these days. 99% bullshit. I'm not a genius, not a real inventor, admittedly an average programmer, and yet people get patents for things I come up with myself. Hyperlinks, popup ads, one-click shopping, rotating banner ads, selecting songs my genre/artist/album using GUI controls that have existed since forever*, the patent in this discussion(which several games have done very similar things to, btw), etc., etc.
Now go back to your little world where the patent office isn't broken, and "intellectual property" has created a beautiful world for everyone. And stay there, never again to bother people who actually work for a living.
* which I fucking started to do, several years ago, for my home entertainment center. I never got anywhere because the damn machine broke... Since I work for a living instead of receiving royalties in perpetuity, I couldn't afford to buy a new one right away. And since metadata has existed in music files for quite some time, I surely didn't see what I wanted to do as being original. So fuck Apple. And of course, fuck you too.
If the goddam mods don't mod the parent post up to 5, I'm gonna fucking kill someone*.
Science has been an "intellectual commons" for hundreds if not thousands of years. Yes, all of science. Every serious advancement in human history is the result of science in some form. From the wheel to the computer in front of you. Without the shoulders of the giants we stand on every fucking day, we would be cavemen. Twirlip should be summarily ignored for eternity for being such an ass as to pretend the idea is so preposterous. What a fuck.
* No no, not really. Maybe I'll do something _really_ crazy instead, like not using the "f word" for a week or two.
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So what is the problem? Are the apps you use broken?
ActiveX requires the Windows API and AFAIK i386 architecture as well, as ActiveX runs native Windows code on the client machine.
Microsoft's goal is to lock everyone else out, and if there's anything they're good it, it's that.
Anyway, Moz and Opera working together can only be good. It would be even better if they could work with Apple and the kHTML guys too.
Sounds fantastic, no?
I was overstating it, glad it made someone laugh :) -- I have used firearms and they don't just "go off." A semi-auto requires roughly a 5 or 8 lb. pull to fire off the first round. OTOH, think about the sort of person that stuffs a gun in their pants... Generally pretty stupid. I can imagine someone like that reaching for their loaded, cocked gun, and it getting snagged while pulling it out of their pants, finger already on the trigger... :D
If you are responsible for raising a child, please teach them that they will one day be entirely responsible for their actions and no one will be there to help them when they screw up. Also, let them know that, currently, you are responsible for their actions, and if their actions should cause you harm, they will be punished, punished so that they will wish they hadn't engaged in said actions. Ie. if they do something really stupid like kill or maim someone, they will regret it for the rest of their life.
Here's a couple more items to instill in their young minds:
That's a start. American youth have many more common mental/social deficiencies that need correcting, but those are some of the major ones off the top of my head.
The only thing that remains to be seen is whether Opera can continue to be innovative enough to stay in the market, and considering their growing reach into the handheld market, where they're kicking the shit out of MS, it seems likely.
Embrace, extend, and exterminate is the MS way. This is just a variation on the theme.
HOW!? MS settled with Opera because it was cheaper than paying lawyers and PR folk to combat them. Opera took the settlement because doing otherwise would be futile, and $12M is always nice to have.
How does that have ANYTHING to do with "embracing and extending," and why is Opera just as responsible?
You make no sense! :P
Sheesh, the whole project is Open Source / Free software, with a largely open, public, and transparent development process. Go to mozilla.org and all the mozilla portals and learn a little bit about the project, where it's headed, why it's headed that way, who's responsible for it, how it can benefit you, how you can help, and et cetera.
Stupid, and obviously part of their attempts to make the web Windows®-only.
Then you are a complete idiot and have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
Proper CSS2 allows at least 75% bandwidth savings serving up html, quicker rendering, easy user customizability, nicer / easier degradation, separation of content and design, etc. PNG would actually make the web much prettier, give more freedom to artists, save bandwidth in many ways, etc.
Should MS be forced to integrate Flash into the browser just because some websites use it (you would all go fucking ballistic if they took Shockwave over to do so)?
Are you insane? Why would MS need to "take Shockwave over" to do that, and what do you even mean by that? And isn't Flash usually already installed on most new machines anyway? What has that got to do with anything!?
You're comment about Opera being "as responsible as MS" is asbolutely devoid of any logical reasoning.
These people are insane... why aren't they simply ignored? Oh, right... they bribe our politicians, and sometimes even write the actual laws they want passed -- God bless Word(TM) meta-data.
The fact that this doesn't apply to Windows is a design problem with Windows, not with monolithic kernels in general.
But of course you are correct about drivers crashing, you are much safer with a microkernel. OTOH, even with a microkernel if a driver crashes, it can still bring down the system, since the driver is accessing the hardware, but that is far less likely.
I expect Linux will be replaced by the HURD in 2195 or so, so expect to see microkernels take over the desktop then :D
Then why respond at all? And no, that is false. I said that in my second reply to you, after you said that everything I said was devoid of content without any elaboration. Which is something you frequently do to people, ie. writing off everything they say for no apparent reason.
Sounds like you're a bit confused about the definition of the term "straw man.
Ah, you're right. Not a strawman, just pure ad hominem. Instead of responding to me, you shifted to attacking my "childish antics."
BTW, here is your first response to me in this ridiculous thread: I guess that'd be too much to ask, huh? That you, you know, use your brain.
You == hypocrite.
You have not made a single on-topic response to me, ignoring every point I made, and instead have beaten a strawman to death. Way to go.
May I suggest you follow your own advice?
Sorry, no time to continue this rewarding discussion, I have real work to do.
No, really, from one adult to another, I think the world would be a better place without you.
Ok ok, so that's trolling a bit, but no matter.
You are unbelievable. You post on /. all the time about the virtues of software patents, while to nearly everyone else it is blindingly obvious that the US patent office is completely broken. In all of my professional experience, over 6 years, I have never spoken to another programmer who thought the patent office was doing a decent job, even among those who think software should be patentable. Not a single one.
Countless people have rebutted you here on /., many professionals who program for a living, and yet you maintain your ridiculous, braindead opinions, and you spout them off like you're superior to everyone who actually works in the industry creating things. You're absolutely ridiculous...
Fact: I'm stupid, yet I come up with patentable ideas on my own, which I never realize till years later when some asshole patents them.
Fact: Those ideas shouldn't be patentable; I'm far too stupid to come up with something truly original.
Fact: The patent office is doing a terrible job deciding what should be patentable.
Fact: You're a fucking idiot.
Please do the world a favor, kill yourself.
Just curious :)
You know, if you weren't such an insufferable asshole, you'd stop denying the reality of the world we live in. That being that all of the progress we have made as human beings is the result of an intellectual commons you claim is morally bankrupt, that simply being science in general, which, as someone else said, is an "intellectual commons if there ever was one." If every tiny advancement made in history was encumbered by a myriad of patents, we'd still be rubbing sticks to make fire, if you can find the right combination of sticks, flint, etc. that wasn't still encumbered by "intellectual property concerns."
You know, the fathers of this country were very cautious to limit the extent of so called "intellectual property," because they understood this. Other countries were, at the time, much more protectionist regarding intellectual endeavors. You, OTOH, apparently believe that tiny little differences in things of much larger scope makes for valid patent material, and hence granting long lasting monopolies to those who have the wealth to engage in pretectionist rackets for fucking obvious bullshit that people have already done in one form or another. So fucking piss off, you and all the goddam like-minded assholes patenting bullshit that is just some fucking old idea, "ON TEH INTARWEB" or a simple set of common GUI controls layed out in a specific manner.
Apparently, "use your brain" to you means something very different than it does to most people who actually invent things. I can't tell you how many times I've written some code, only to find out several years later that someone just got a patent on some bullshit that does the same damn thing. Fuck that. That's patents these days. 99% bullshit. I'm not a genius, not a real inventor, admittedly an average programmer, and yet people get patents for things I come up with myself. Hyperlinks, popup ads, one-click shopping, rotating banner ads, selecting songs my genre/artist/album using GUI controls that have existed since forever*, the patent in this discussion(which several games have done very similar things to, btw), etc., etc.
Now go back to your little world where the patent office isn't broken, and "intellectual property" has created a beautiful world for everyone. And stay there, never again to bother people who actually work for a living.
* which I fucking started to do, several years ago, for my home entertainment center. I never got anywhere because the damn machine broke... Since I work for a living instead of receiving royalties in perpetuity, I couldn't afford to buy a new one right away. And since metadata has existed in music files for quite some time, I surely didn't see what I wanted to do as being original. So fuck Apple. And of course, fuck you too.
The difference is focus vs. time-based, which is enough to at least severely limit the extent of possible enforcement if Apple gets the patent.
Science has been an "intellectual commons" for hundreds if not thousands of years. Yes, all of science. Every serious advancement in human history is the result of science in some form. From the wheel to the computer in front of you. Without the shoulders of the giants we stand on every fucking day, we would be cavemen. Twirlip should be summarily ignored for eternity for being such an ass as to pretend the idea is so preposterous. What a fuck.
* No no, not really. Maybe I'll do something _really_ crazy instead, like not using the "f word" for a week or two.