Bullshit? Try looking at honest studies, not the bullshit spewed by the anti-drinking groups in this country. I know that I am safer after a single drink than I am when I am tired. I try to avoid driving while tired, but most people don't. Should we haul off people to jail for driving after being awake for more than a certain number of hours?
The people you SHOULD be worried about on the road are people who think their SUV was made to drive 80 mph 5 feet behind the car in front of them.
Yes, drunk driving is bad and should be dealt with. But decreasing the legal limit isn't fucking helping.
If you can successfully get GNU/Hurd from CVS up and running, installing MPlayer should be easy as pie.
You only need a few things. MPlayer source. Win32 libs. Put win32 libs in/usr/lib/win32, extract MPlayer source,./configure && make && make install. There are a couple extra libs you can compile mplayer against but they aren't necessary.
It had some problems on old systems, pre gcc-2.95.3, other than that I have never seen any problems getting it up and running on any distro on any hardware.
Yeah, whatever. Maybe the law should have been left as it was and just enforced better? No no no, that's too difficult for our politicians, better to incriminate people who aren't actually endangering anyone.
2 beers does not make an average sized guy anywhere near drunk. 3 drinks is where reflexes start being slighly hindered, ie. still safer than driving while tired.
People who drink 2 beers and then go home don't kill people.
I agree with you, m0rp...(whatever) needs to grow up a little, for all the reasons you said, but there is something to be said about the tremendous size of the prison population in the U.S. Over 2 million prisoners in a population of roughly 280 million. Over half are incarcerated for non-violent crimes. I think a little more rehabilitation instead of incarceration is in order.
You're post at first glance appears to be overdramatic, but considering the current trends, and considering that our society is becoming more dependant on information and is safeguarding it in more and more draconian ways...
It will be interesting to look back on these types of discussions 20 years from now.
If I lost a few years of my young adult life for writing a linux DVD player, I don't think the people that put me there would be around long after I got out.
And you know what? They would deserve it too. If I were harassed as some people have been, even without jail time, I would find some way to exact some kind of revenge. Now if I wasted away in jail for several years, I'd get out and have no job, no future prospects, etc. What would I have to lose?
For $DEITY's sake, do politicians even consider what it means to "lock someone up" for a couple years anymore? I think not, as most seem to believe they are above the common man's law.
Consider this, the U.S. has over 2 MILLION prisoners, out of a population of ~280 million. We're nearing 1 percent of our population being in prison. What other countries can claim that? China? Also, the population of the U.S. prison system has doubled in the past couple decades.
For crying out loud, our country is now locking people up for showing others how to decrypt files that they own!
You're way off base. The init process in Linux is not slow because it uses so many shell scripts, most of the time is spent waiting for daemons to start. Parallelizing this could speed things up a little maybe.
I always clean up my system so only the things I need start, and it boots extremely quickly. Less than 5 seconds after the init process starts.
Also, I don't know where you get this stuff about GNOME being slow and KDE being so fast, because the GNOME 2 series has gotten progressively faster. It loads in about 3 seconds on my machine, while KDE takes significantly longer(but not aggravatingly long).
About 6 years ago, my company had some WinNT webservers. The fucking things always crashed, got DoS'ed, etc. Anyway, I wrote a little monitoring script that would ping and grab a document from the webserver every 5 minutes to make sure it was still running. When it crashed, and it did often, it would pick up the modem and dial my house, my boss's house, and my coworkers house. It did that so damn often that my boss told me to take his number off the dial list.
Anyway, I didn't read the patent yet, but does it have something to do with reducing the annoyance of phoning home everytime one of their shit products fails?
Now that would be spectacular, and something worth patenting.
Now with foreign companies moving along while the U.S. is stuck on the Microsoft monopoly, I can spend thousands of dollars on foreign merchandise instead of buying things locally.
I just love the business atmosphere here in the U.S. where everyone without high-paid lawyers gets to lick the shit off the Big Players' shoes, or get bullied out of business.
Seriously, why is it that here in America people aren't more inclined to switch to lower cost solutions? I mean, if you think about it, with the money that companies and government spend on software, they could collaborate and develop their own software and never have to pay out the ass for software again.
Everywhere else in the world, companies and government are realizing this.
Yeah, right... I'm sure you have more experience with OSS than anyone... If you knew what the fuck you were doing you wouldn't be trying to imply anything by linking to that site.
And who the fuck are you to be telling people they "have a chip on their shoulder". You're the one with the inflamatory.sig.
But you're right, I do have a chip on my shoulder.
Oh, yeah. I'm the one who can't see clearly. Ever look at your own sig? You're too stupid to realize that the security site linked to is a perfect example of what I said, 90% of those security updates are probably not even exploitable.
I've been working with Win, Linux, and BSD in a production enviornment for 7 years, and I'm not that stupid. Windows is shit(relatively). Most Linux distros (out of the box anyway) are shit. BSD isn't too bad. However... Windows leaves you at MS's mercy, whereas with Linux I generally build my own solutions for whatever I need, and they are always rock solid.
In the past, my company had security problems. But now that I handle security, we haven't had a single breach. We ran Windows servers in the past, but we switched over 5 years ago because of constant problems with DoS exploits, cracks, crashes and memory leaks.
Grow the hell up and learn about Linux before you mouth off about it.
Really, nothing is secure if you don't know what you're doing. But with Windows, you just never know, and MS has a very poor track record regarding security, and especially disclosure. I refuse to leave security up to a third party, especially when said third party is always playing the blame game instead of fixing their poor products.
How many IE and IIS holes went unpatched for months. And how many of the holes found in the past 12 months were found by kids, without even access to the source... *rolls eyes* Windows is absolute garbage when it comes to security. There is no comparison.
The holes in OSS software are usually holes found by code audits done by people who know what they're doing. And said holes are often only theoretical, ie. many of them aren't exploitable.
Actually, X doesn't necessarily use much memory, it just depends what you're doing with it. Memory reporting for X is completely broken too. But yes, it can eat a ton of memory and not slow down in some cases.
The Linux kernel does a pretty decent job of cacheing disk contents to ram, so it can use a lot of memory, but it doesn't slow anything down and it releases it if other programs need it.
Seriously, your whole post is a waste of bandwidth. Unfortuneately, equally ignorant people have modded it up where more people can see it.
Do you mean that X is efficient for flat-color rectangles but inefficient for pixmap-laden interfaces?
Yes, _OVER A NETWORK_(as he said...)! Transferring pixmaps over a network is always going to be as slow as the compression and network will allow. Hence, him using VNC as an example... This is meaningless on the local machine.
How is it different than GTK 1 and GTK 2? QT 1 and QT 2 and QT 3?
It's different because with X you can still have all those old widget libraries, which is not always the case when the widgets are built into the windowing system.
Show me a good way of pasting one selection over another selection under X without retyping.
X doesn't have a single copy/paste buffer. IIRC, X has 2. Most programs use both, one being used in the exact same fashion as Mac/Windows. In every application I use - Control+c/v - just like in Windows. For applications that don't support that? Well, I dunno, but they're mostly ancient, using old crusty widget sets, but at least they still run:)
... if there's anything good there. My connection at home is a bit slow (56k), and I don't have much time at work to dick around, so it'll take me a while to find anything. I'm mostly into Metal, unfortuneately they only have 2 metal bands on there, and neither seem to be my taste. I do enjoy classical music too, so...
All I can say for them is, "Good luck getting any friggin publicity!"
I simply can't let this GNOME/KDE disparaging continue to go on with out saying something:)
First, I partially agree. But the fact is, GNOME and KDE can be pretty light on resources if you turn off some of the eye-candy. KDE specifically has a bunch of unnecessary eye-candy that can be easily turned off.
GNOME 2.4 is pretty speedy by default now. The default desktop gives you a little panel and a couple icons on the desktop. Nautilus is at least an order of magnitude faster than previously(but what *nix user needs it anyway). Not quite as quick to load as a really small wm, but not bad, and WAY faster than an OS X desktop.
GNOME >=2.2 is looking really good, IMO. Cute, quick, and to the point.
KDE >=3 is bloated and has tons of eye-candy, but all of it can be turned off.
Your comments about X "showing it's age" are really silly. WTH are you talking about w/regards to X "buckling." OS X on a dual proc G4 500 with a gig of ram, it slows to a crawl with a few large programs open. On my 500MHZ single proc celery, X doesn't slow down until my system starts running out of memory, or if the apps are using way to much CPU time. Generally, I can comfortably run twice as many large apps on my linux boxen as on OS X, with a quarter of the ram.
All just empirical evidence, but I still think you're full of it. One thing is for sure though, OS X eats ram for breakfast.
I still don't understand why people would want to run OSX server... Both Linux and BSD run, and faster too, on the same hardware. Use BSD ports to update stuff, or on Linux, you've got your choice of emerge, rh's up-to-date, or debians package system, etc.
I fixed this security hole on a couple servers, took almost no time at all. $ emerge openssh (takes about 2 minutes to compile on a mid-end x86 server)
I really just don't know what advantages OSX server has. Ease of administration? I played with a RH server the other week, and every daemon was configurable with a nice GUI... I don't know how RH compares to the ease of using OSX server though.
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The people you SHOULD be worried about on the road are people who think their SUV was made to drive 80 mph 5 feet behind the car in front of them.
Yes, drunk driving is bad and should be dealt with. But decreasing the legal limit isn't fucking helping.
You only need a few things. MPlayer source. Win32 libs. Put win32 libs in /usr/lib/win32, extract MPlayer source, ./configure && make && make install. There are a couple extra libs you can compile mplayer against but they aren't necessary.
It had some problems on old systems, pre gcc-2.95.3, other than that I have never seen any problems getting it up and running on any distro on any hardware.
Probably not.
People who drink 2 beers and then go home don't kill people.
I agree with you 100% about our prison system... It's staggering how many people are imprisoned in the U.S..
It will be interesting to look back on these types of discussions 20 years from now.
And you know what? They would deserve it too. If I were harassed as some people have been, even without jail time, I would find some way to exact some kind of revenge. Now if I wasted away in jail for several years, I'd get out and have no job, no future prospects, etc. What would I have to lose?
For $DEITY's sake, do politicians even consider what it means to "lock someone up" for a couple years anymore? I think not, as most seem to believe they are above the common man's law.
Consider this, the U.S. has over 2 MILLION prisoners, out of a population of ~280 million. We're nearing 1 percent of our population being in prison. What other countries can claim that? China? Also, the population of the U.S. prison system has doubled in the past couple decades.
For crying out loud, our country is now locking people up for showing others how to decrypt files that they own!
Hell in a handbasket... Heh.
I always clean up my system so only the things I need start, and it boots extremely quickly. Less than 5 seconds after the init process starts.
Also, I don't know where you get this stuff about GNOME being slow and KDE being so fast, because the GNOME 2 series has gotten progressively faster. It loads in about 3 seconds on my machine, while KDE takes significantly longer(but not aggravatingly long).
Now that would be justice. But in America, justice can cost a lot of money.
Anyway, I didn't read the patent yet, but does it have something to do with reducing the annoyance of phoning home everytime one of their shit products fails?
Now that would be spectacular, and something worth patenting.
We don't use windows on servers anymore...
I just love the business atmosphere here in the U.S. where everyone without high-paid lawyers gets to lick the shit off the Big Players' shoes, or get bullied out of business.
Seriously, why is it that here in America people aren't more inclined to switch to lower cost solutions? I mean, if you think about it, with the money that companies and government spend on software, they could collaborate and develop their own software and never have to pay out the ass for software again.
Everywhere else in the world, companies and government are realizing this.
I just don't get it.
Yeah, right... I'm sure you have more experience with OSS than anyone... If you knew what the fuck you were doing you wouldn't be trying to imply anything by linking to that site.
And who the fuck are you to be telling people they "have a chip on their shoulder". You're the one with the inflamatory .sig.
But you're right, I do have a chip on my shoulder.
I've been working with Win, Linux, and BSD in a production enviornment for 7 years, and I'm not that stupid. Windows is shit(relatively). Most Linux distros (out of the box anyway) are shit. BSD isn't too bad. However... Windows leaves you at MS's mercy, whereas with Linux I generally build my own solutions for whatever I need, and they are always rock solid.
In the past, my company had security problems. But now that I handle security, we haven't had a single breach. We ran Windows servers in the past, but we switched over 5 years ago because of constant problems with DoS exploits, cracks, crashes and memory leaks.
Grow the hell up and learn about Linux before you mouth off about it.
Really, nothing is secure if you don't know what you're doing. But with Windows, you just never know, and MS has a very poor track record regarding security, and especially disclosure. I refuse to leave security up to a third party, especially when said third party is always playing the blame game instead of fixing their poor products.
The holes in OSS software are usually holes found by code audits done by people who know what they're doing. And said holes are often only theoretical, ie. many of them aren't exploitable.
The Linux kernel does a pretty decent job of cacheing disk contents to ram, so it can use a lot of memory, but it doesn't slow anything down and it releases it if other programs need it.
Gentoo is fun =)
Do you mean that X is efficient for flat-color rectangles but inefficient for pixmap-laden interfaces?
Yes, _OVER A NETWORK_(as he said...)! Transferring pixmaps over a network is always going to be as slow as the compression and network will allow. Hence, him using VNC as an example... This is meaningless on the local machine.
How is it different than GTK 1 and GTK 2? QT 1 and QT 2 and QT 3?
It's different because with X you can still have all those old widget libraries, which is not always the case when the widgets are built into the windowing system.
Show me a good way of pasting one selection over another selection under X without retyping.
X doesn't have a single copy/paste buffer. IIRC, X has 2. Most programs use both, one being used in the exact same fashion as Mac/Windows. In every application I use - Control+c/v - just like in Windows. For applications that don't support that? Well, I dunno, but they're mostly ancient, using old crusty widget sets, but at least they still run :)
All I can say for them is, "Good luck getting any friggin publicity!"
They're sure going to need it, luck that is.
First, I partially agree. But the fact is, GNOME and KDE can be pretty light on resources if you turn off some of the eye-candy. KDE specifically has a bunch of unnecessary eye-candy that can be easily turned off.
GNOME 2.4 is pretty speedy by default now. The default desktop gives you a little panel and a couple icons on the desktop. Nautilus is at least an order of magnitude faster than previously(but what *nix user needs it anyway). Not quite as quick to load as a really small wm, but not bad, and WAY faster than an OS X desktop.
GNOME >=2.2 is looking really good, IMO. Cute, quick, and to the point.
KDE >=3 is bloated and has tons of eye-candy, but all of it can be turned off.
Your comments about X "showing it's age" are really silly. WTH are you talking about w/regards to X "buckling." OS X on a dual proc G4 500 with a gig of ram, it slows to a crawl with a few large programs open. On my 500MHZ single proc celery, X doesn't slow down until my system starts running out of memory, or if the apps are using way to much CPU time. Generally, I can comfortably run twice as many large apps on my linux boxen as on OS X, with a quarter of the ram.
All just empirical evidence, but I still think you're full of it. One thing is for sure though, OS X eats ram for breakfast.
Yes, dammit. Why muck with a working system in a production enviornment where time cannot be wasted?
I fixed this security hole on a couple servers, took almost no time at all. $ emerge openssh (takes about 2 minutes to compile on a mid-end x86 server)
I really just don't know what advantages OSX server has. Ease of administration? I played with a RH server the other week, and every daemon was configurable with a nice GUI... I don't know how RH compares to the ease of using OSX server though.