Literacy test maybe, level of schooling no way. College cost money, and time. Some people don't have either, but that doesn't make them unintelligent or ignorant of the issues.
Now whether the voting age should be 18 or 21 I don't know. This country needs to decide what age we want to call people adults. You can't call people adults at 18 but not give them all the freedoms adults are supposed to have. Personally, I think 16 would be a more reasonable age. By 16, people are old enough to be responsible for their actions, the only reason many of them are so irresponsible is because we don't hold them responsible. Also, you shouldn't be able to drive until you are an adult. The idea that someone who is not responsible for their actions can drive 2 tons of steel down the road at 60 miles per hour is ridiculous.
While it sounded well reasoned, IMHO, it didn't sound extremely professional, it sounds more like a fairly well reasoned letter he just whipped up... That was just my impression though... so, whatever.
And the niggers should stay on the back of the bus, women should stay in the kitchen, and I should have let all the "socially normal" cool kids at school kick the shit out of me.
Fuck you and and take your notion of "socially normal" and cram it up your ass.
I don't normally flame like this, or respond to flaimbait at all, but this asshole is just pissing me off...
"..reminds me of a cheerleading mom. You know, those mom's who will do anything to make sure their daughters make the squad, up to and including murder (sounds like a made-for-tv movie, but there are cases)."
Where does he say ALL cheerleading moms? I don't think he was trying to make a generalization like that.
Let's say that someone driving the other way on the road has Firestone tires on his truck. It just so happens that a tire on his truck comes apart right before we pass, causing his truck to swerve head-on right into me, flattening me in my Volvo. Of course I'm not dead, yet, I get to enjoy dying a long aganozing death at the hospital after spending 5 hours trapped inside my crushed car.
Now I'm dead, and *I* didn't even buy the fucking tires on that damn truck! Dammit, I think those corporate officers at Ford and Firestone who knew about the problems but didn't tell anyone should be held responsible, but, that'll never happen with your attitude. It's not all about Nike shoes and Starbucks latte.
doesn't understand what it going on here. The point of the contest is to make SDMI more secure before it's released. Why would we want to help them? We want them to release it, so we can crack it later. Duh! It is not "macho talk".
Ok, I see what you're saying. I think think it would be great if corporate officers could be held fully responsible for their actions. I really haven't thought about what that would do and how it would change things.
Fully responsible corporations will probably not exceed a reasonable size, and thus not be capable of the kind of roughshod power they currently have.
Could you explain this to me? I don't see how this would limit the size corporations could grow to, as long as they are careful.
Personally, I don't think corporations should be allowed to dontate money to political campaigns and such. Their political influence needs to be taken away, otherwise they will always be able to change things to their own liking. However this can be accomplished, I'm all for it.
I support anonymous posting. Sorry, I was just being an ass.
You are basically saying that you will forever sit there with your camcorder and it will always be interpreted as being legal. That doesn't follow the current trend of things being made illegal. It could very easily be construed as being access control circumvention, and most likely would be.
Why do you insist on believing that things won't go this way? What evidence points to that. With laws like the DMCA, and soon probably UCITA...
Yes, but it was my understanding you wanted the GPL to be "fixed" to stop this type of thing in the future. IMO, nothing wrong has been done, unless Sun is distributing a binary copy of the drivers without the source included. Their program is acceptable.
Anyway, it doesn't matter. You're entitled to your opinion and I respect it, and everyone else should form their own, based on their own personal feeling on the matter, instead of just blindly following someone else. I'm sure you agree with that.
It will be illegal to record it, the technological measures are just added insurance, you will still be prosecuted for breaking the law.
The problem isn't the technological measures they take to prevent us from copying, we can always get around them, it's the laws that will allow them to destroy our lives for doing it.
When Libertarians are elected, the FCC will be replaced by a free market bandwidth auction, and property rights will once again apply to the electromagnetic spectrum.
And you think that'll do any good? It'll just allow it to be distributed to the corporations with the most money, which is where we are now with corporations basically controlling our gov't, using their money to get what they want.
You sound like a Nazi, blindly following a leader.
I don't see why the hell the parent is modded up as insightful. This is a ridiculous post people. Don't be sheep, we as individuals need to make up our own minds. Otherwise we may follow one of our beloved leaders where we really don't want to go. Like this situation, Perens doesn't want Sun distributing a program that COULD be used for illegal purposes. That goes against everything we've been talking about with the MPAA and RIAA.
It's great when you want to send a url to a coworker to see what they think of something you're working on, or sending bits of code you want someone to look at right away.
Sometimes waiting 3 minutes for a coworker's email program to check their mail is a PITA.
The "Hi, how you doing" and "Here, check this out ASAP, I think I fucked up the web server" aspect of IMing is what makes it useful. Email lacks that, because it's not as close to real time communication.
When people complain about the government, I have to point out that we, not them, are the government. If there's a government problem, it's because I elected the wrong person.
No, it's because there wasn't a decent person to vote for, because people like us don't have the resources needed to run for president.
The same people who claim Microsoft is a monopoly have stock in Microsoft. The same people who think that Wal-Mart is homogenizing America in an effort to mute culture and get us to buy more Britney Sprears CDs are the same people who rode the stock from $10 in 1991 to more than $55 this year.
Only 50% of the population even own ANY stock. Out of those 50%, most of them only own any stock through mutual funds and such and don't even know what stock they own. Most of this 50% has NO say whatsoever in what these companies do. The other 50% who don't own stock, well... they don't own any stock.
Sure, AOL ruined the internet, but they did it while making people such as you and me rich in the process.
Well, who do I have to ask to give me my money? Like I said above, MOST people haven't seen any of this money. It's mostly the wealthy getting wealthier.
You are just spouting bullshit to disagree with Katz. Well, you are an ass.
Corporations ARE causing serious problems in the world today. They ARE stealing our freedoms. They ARE influencing our government by supporting candidates that will throw our freedoms away so that corporations can rape us.
When small mom and pop shops do stuff I don't like I go somewhere else. When Joe Schmoe spits on me and calls my mom a whore I kick his ass. When the MPAA lobbies for unfair laws that take away my freedoms I scream bloody murder but noone hears me and I have to remove DeCSS off my website or fear getting sued.
I didn't think about it that way. The Big-5 could create their own service that did the same thing as MP3.com, and then that MP3.com's service would be damaging to their own service.
However, damage isn't done UNTIL the "Big-5" create their own service.
In any case, this sure is a whole lot of bullshit them being AWARDED so much money for this. They should have received compensation for legal fees and for having to waste their time, and that is all. No damage was done.
But what can we do? I already don't buy ANY music by artists that are signed with any RIAA labels. And on the occasion that I do... nevermind, I haven't for a long time.
Doesn't it have to be proven that damage has been done? Obviously, no damage has been done, as Mp3.com has ADDED value to CDs. RIAA member companies should sell more CDs because of this.
I don't know about that, I think it would have gone the other way. The documents were posted in full, which really does not fall under fair use(I could be mistaken).
I think what they were really worried about was drawing attention to their attempted kerberos embracing and extending during this whole anti trust thing. They sure don't need any more examples of them being anti-competitive right now.
I was impressed that Slashdot didn't remove the postings. I also liked how they responded to M$.
sigh. no one (including me likely) looks at the big picture. why, oh why.
I know what you mean. I try, but fail to see it often. But dammit, at least I look! ; )
Seriously, Slashdot isn't comparable to a search engine because a search engine merely links to other sources. Slashdot hosts the content. Although, just watch search engines come under fire with plaintifs(sp?) citing Judge Kaplan's ruling in the DeCSS trial blocking people from even LINKING to DeCSS.
Now, I'm not saying Slashdot was wrong in not removing the Microsoft documents, personally, I think current IP law is complete bullshit and needs a complete overhaul. What I was upset about was that everyone was getting so fired up about a guy using the same site design as linux.com. The guy even gave credit to linux.com. I thought it was very hypocritical.
Yes, slashcode has been released under the GPL, which is nice to see.
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Literacy test maybe, level of schooling no way. College cost money, and time. Some people don't have either, but that doesn't make them unintelligent or ignorant of the issues.
Now whether the voting age should be 18 or 21 I don't know. This country needs to decide what age we want to call people adults. You can't call people adults at 18 but not give them all the freedoms adults are supposed to have. Personally, I think 16 would be a more reasonable age. By 16, people are old enough to be responsible for their actions, the only reason many of them are so irresponsible is because we don't hold them responsible. Also, you shouldn't be able to drive until you are an adult. The idea that someone who is not responsible for their actions can drive 2 tons of steel down the road at 60 miles per hour is ridiculous.
All JMHO of course.
While it sounded well reasoned, IMHO, it didn't sound extremely professional, it sounds more like a fairly well reasoned letter he just whipped up... That was just my impression though... so, whatever.
That's exactly correct, IMHO. The FSF has as much right to audit M$ as M$ has to audit anyone. IMHO, no rights as ridiculous as that should exist.
For playing mpeg, I highly recommend getting smpeg from loki. www.lokigames.com
It's much better than mpegtv, and it is GPLed.
Yeah, right...
And the niggers should stay on the back of the bus, women should stay in the kitchen, and I should have let all the "socially normal" cool kids at school kick the shit out of me.
Fuck you and and take your notion of "socially normal" and cram it up your ass.
I don't normally flame like this, or respond to flaimbait at all, but this asshole is just pissing me off...
"..reminds me of a cheerleading mom. You know, those mom's who will do anything to make sure their daughters make the squad, up to and including murder (sounds like a made-for-tv movie, but there are cases)."
Where does he say ALL cheerleading moms? I don't think he was trying to make a generalization like that.
for the correction.
I really don't know all there is to know about the whole firestone tire thing, I was just using it as an example.
Let's say that someone driving the other way on the road has Firestone tires on his truck. It just so happens that a tire on his truck comes apart right before we pass, causing his truck to swerve head-on right into me, flattening me in my Volvo. Of course I'm not dead, yet, I get to enjoy dying a long aganozing death at the hospital after spending 5 hours trapped inside my crushed car.
Now I'm dead, and *I* didn't even buy the fucking tires on that damn truck! Dammit, I think those corporate officers at Ford and Firestone who knew about the problems but didn't tell anyone should be held responsible, but, that'll never happen with your attitude. It's not all about Nike shoes and Starbucks latte.
Nope, he's not confused. The Banshee is like a V2 that supports both 2d and 3d. It's nothing like the V3.
doesn't understand what it going on here. The point of the contest is to make SDMI more secure before it's released. Why would we want to help them? We want them to release it, so we can crack it later. Duh! It is not "macho talk".
How stupid...
Ok, I see what you're saying. I think think it would be great if corporate officers could be held fully responsible for their actions. I really haven't thought about what that would do and how it would change things.
Fully responsible corporations will probably not exceed a reasonable size, and thus not be capable of the kind of roughshod power they currently have.
Could you explain this to me? I don't see how this would limit the size corporations could grow to, as long as they are careful.
Personally, I don't think corporations should be allowed to dontate money to political campaigns and such. Their political influence needs to be taken away, otherwise they will always be able to change things to their own liking. However this can be accomplished, I'm all for it.
I support anonymous posting. Sorry, I was just being an ass.
You are basically saying that you will forever sit there with your camcorder and it will always be interpreted as being legal. That doesn't follow the current trend of things being made illegal. It could very easily be construed as being access control circumvention, and most likely would be.
Why do you insist on believing that things won't go this way? What evidence points to that. With laws like the DMCA, and soon probably UCITA...
Yes, but it was my understanding you wanted the GPL to be "fixed" to stop this type of thing in the future. IMO, nothing wrong has been done, unless Sun is distributing a binary copy of the drivers without the source included. Their program is acceptable.
Anyway, it doesn't matter. You're entitled to your opinion and I respect it, and everyone else should form their own, based on their own personal feeling on the matter, instead of just blindly following someone else. I'm sure you agree with that.
Sorry if I misunderstood you.
Under the DMCA it is already illegal to bypass a copy control mechanism. This is not paranoia, it is a fact. It is why DeCSS is illegal.
It will be illegal to record it, the technological measures are just added insurance, you will still be prosecuted for breaking the law.
The problem isn't the technological measures they take to prevent us from copying, we can always get around them, it's the laws that will allow them to destroy our lives for doing it.
When Libertarians are elected, the FCC will be replaced by a free market bandwidth auction, and property rights will once again apply to the electromagnetic spectrum.
And you think that'll do any good? It'll just allow it to be distributed to the corporations with the most money, which is where we are now with corporations basically controlling our gov't, using their money to get what they want.
You sound like a Nazi, blindly following a leader.
I don't see why the hell the parent is modded up as insightful. This is a ridiculous post people. Don't be sheep, we as individuals need to make up our own minds. Otherwise we may follow one of our beloved leaders where we really don't want to go. Like this situation, Perens doesn't want Sun distributing a program that COULD be used for illegal purposes. That goes against everything we've been talking about with the MPAA and RIAA.
It's great when you want to send a url to a coworker to see what they think of something you're working on, or sending bits of code you want someone to look at right away.
Sometimes waiting 3 minutes for a coworker's email program to check their mail is a PITA.
The "Hi, how you doing" and "Here, check this out ASAP, I think I fucked up the web server" aspect of IMing is what makes it useful. Email lacks that, because it's not as close to real time communication.
All tools have their places.
When people complain about the government, I have to point out that we, not them, are the government. If there's a government problem, it's because I elected the wrong person.
No, it's because there wasn't a decent person to vote for, because people like us don't have the resources needed to run for president.
The same people who claim Microsoft is a monopoly have stock in Microsoft. The same people who think that Wal-Mart is homogenizing America in an effort to mute culture and get us to buy more Britney Sprears CDs are the same people who rode the stock from $10 in 1991 to more than $55 this year.
Only 50% of the population even own ANY stock. Out of those 50%, most of them only own any stock through mutual funds and such and don't even know what stock they own. Most of this 50% has NO say whatsoever in what these companies do. The other 50% who don't own stock, well... they don't own any stock.
Sure, AOL ruined the internet, but they did it while making people such as you and me rich in the process.
Well, who do I have to ask to give me my money? Like I said above, MOST people haven't seen any of this money. It's mostly the wealthy getting wealthier.
You are just spouting bullshit to disagree with Katz. Well, you are an ass.
Corporations ARE causing serious problems in the world today. They ARE stealing our freedoms. They ARE influencing our government by supporting candidates that will throw our freedoms away so that corporations can rape us.
When small mom and pop shops do stuff I don't like I go somewhere else. When Joe Schmoe spits on me and calls my mom a whore I kick his ass. When the MPAA lobbies for unfair laws that take away my freedoms I scream bloody murder but noone hears me and I have to remove DeCSS off my website or fear getting sued.
I didn't think about it that way. The Big-5 could create their own service that did the same thing as MP3.com, and then that MP3.com's service would be damaging to their own service.
However, damage isn't done UNTIL the "Big-5" create their own service.
In any case, this sure is a whole lot of bullshit them being AWARDED so much money for this. They should have received compensation for legal fees and for having to waste their time, and that is all. No damage was done.
But what can we do? I already don't buy ANY music by artists that are signed with any RIAA labels. And on the occasion that I do... nevermind, I haven't for a long time.
One little thing, it still would not be agreeable because that money goes to corporations, which is definately not for the public good.
Companies should NEVER receive income from a tax, that is absofuckinglutely(new word of the day) ridiculous.
Doesn't it have to be proven that damage has been done? Obviously, no damage has been done, as Mp3.com has ADDED value to CDs. RIAA member companies should sell more CDs because of this.
IANAL, so I'm not sure that that is right.
I don't know about that, I think it would have gone the other way. The documents were posted in full, which really does not fall under fair use(I could be mistaken).
I think what they were really worried about was drawing attention to their attempted kerberos embracing and extending during this whole anti trust thing. They sure don't need any more examples of them being anti-competitive right now.
I was impressed that Slashdot didn't remove the postings. I also liked how they responded to M$.
sigh. no one (including me likely) looks at the big picture. why, oh why.
I know what you mean. I try, but fail to see it often. But dammit, at least I look! ; )
Seriously, Slashdot isn't comparable to a search engine because a search engine merely links to other sources. Slashdot hosts the content. Although, just watch search engines come under fire with plaintifs(sp?) citing Judge Kaplan's ruling in the DeCSS trial blocking people from even LINKING to DeCSS.
Now, I'm not saying Slashdot was wrong in not removing the Microsoft documents, personally, I think current IP law is complete bullshit and needs a complete overhaul. What I was upset about was that everyone was getting so fired up about a guy using the same site design as linux.com. The guy even gave credit to linux.com. I thought it was very hypocritical.
Yes, slashcode has been released under the GPL, which is nice to see.