No where even close to the truth. GE shut down a long time ago and that's a pity but there are lots left. Lifting "U.S. vacuum tube manufacturer" from your post and dropping it on the google bar yields a rich harvest. Svetlana in Russia is a beast in this field,
All kinds of people make vinyl recordings these days and for about $5000 you can too.
PenGun
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No. The absolute problem with digital recording at least at any sane rate and bit is the cutoff at whatever. With 16 bit CD sound the top of the spectrum is 22khz dithered in recordings to 20khz.
A good turntable setup can do analog up and past 100khz and the difference is not that you can hear that high but that the harmonic overtones are present so your ear can be fooled. Without the overtones almost any ear knows it's not real.
PenGun
Do What Now ???... Standards and Practices !
The mpeg2 stream your player decodes and displays is what you get. That's what's on the media or in the file.
There are artifacts in everything. A high bitrate mpeg2 as in a DVD has some but not many and a regular viewer will think it's great. The loss in quality from reencoding the raw stream is generally unnoticable by anyone but an anal video freak with expensive equipment.
Your encoder is lame *?????* What fucking encoder are you babbling about? This the first I've heard of it.
You need to learn a bit about video. Perhaps do a little research and... get a Linux box up so you can do a little video hacking, very instructive. Mjpegtools is your friend here.
PenGun
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No we are not. I am explaining how it is easy to grab the analog output and produce a near perfect copy. You seem to think this difficult. It's not, which was spectrokids original point.
Who gives a flying fuck about chaining codecs together, nearly always a fools game anyway.
Ahhh yes... well I keep the bad karma so no fools at 1 and over can see me;).
PenGun
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No I use mplayer to play whatever to a raw yuv stream which dumps to a named pipe which has an appropriate encoder, nearly always mpeg2enc.
The audio dumps to a wave which I encode to a variety of formats, ac3 mp2 mp3 aac and several varieties of pcm (usually a music vid with good sound for the pcm, they large).
A DVD can be just as easily played and ripped that way. I recomend lxdvdrip for DVDs but as I have a variety of scripts that handle this, here's one, a dvd ripper (title 1). Substituting a video file is left as an exercise for the reader;).
Nahh it's pretty simple. The raw stream (analog signal) can be fed to a named pipe (raw stream has no compression artifacts) which has mpeg2enc encoding it on the fly. Do it every day when I rip and encode whatever to DVD.
I guess the windose people are out of luck though.... awwww too bad.
PenGun
Do What Now ???... Standards and Practices !
Go get mpeg2enc part of mjpegtools (google is your friend) and | to it.
Oh I know I'm wasting my time;).
PenGun
Do What Now ???... Standards and Practices !
You have no idea do you? The stone joy of Linux is the ability to do any damn thing you want. I find windose to be like wearing a straight jacket. The OS is so geared to idiots that it's hard to do anything cool.
My videos, DVDs, audio stuff all just comes up running from the main menu which accesses the file system for content. I have yet to see a windose desktop with anywhere close to the usability I've built into my window manager.
PenGun
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Hmmm I have not run into that yet. It occurs to me that those sectors, on the recordable, may be stamped instead of burned and may be easy to destroy. Nude media would be nice too.
Then any CD-DVD player would seek to the first good sector which would contain our burned sectors. If a "this is not a CDR" flag is needed that should be trivial.
Puts on research hat, time to waste some media and do some block to block and examine results;).
It's nice to be a Canadian eh'.
PenGun
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So far this is a windose problem folks. The range of ways to rip a DVD in Linux is impressive.
You'll need libdvdcss and libdvdread, both widly available and then everything from dvdbackup to vobcopy will rock and roll on the disc.
Lxdvdrip in it's present incarnation is very cool and if the title (the main one usually) is over 4.3 gig (dual layer is standard in commercial DVDs) it'll requantize it for you (I prefer that to the bitrate reduction some utilities use).
You end up with a 4.3 gig region 0 unencrypted disc that'll play anywhere.
I have yet to fail on a DVD.
PenGun
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Sander said: "Much like many PC games and other software CDs can't be copied as the disk verification is in the first few sectors which are already written to on blank CDRs, you can never create a bit-for-bit identical copy, so the copy is broken and doesn't work"
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ASsTROllTURF, I'd guess.
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PenGun
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You have been successfully trolled by af_robot. You are however too small to keep. Go to the corner and stare at the intersection.
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PenGun
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An MCSE no doubt ... wow ;).
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PenGun
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As It Happens is the Canadian radio bomb.
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PenGun
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It's the infinite bandwith that makes analog so nice. Of course we fail in capturing it but it is still often nicer than a "perfect" digital capture.
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PenGun
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No where even close to the truth. GE shut down a long time ago and that's a pity but there are lots left. Lifting "U.S. vacuum tube manufacturer" from your post and dropping it on the google bar yields a rich harvest. Svetlana in Russia is a beast in this field,
... Standards and Practices !
All kinds of people make vinyl recordings these days and for about $5000 you can too.
PenGun
Do What Now ???
No. The absolute problem with digital recording at least at any sane rate and bit is the cutoff at whatever. With 16 bit CD sound the top of the spectrum is 22khz dithered in recordings to 20khz.
... Standards and Practices !
A good turntable setup can do analog up and past 100khz and the difference is not that you can hear that high but that the harmonic overtones are present so your ear can be fooled. Without the overtones almost any ear knows it's not real.
PenGun
Do What Now ???
Idiot, and a chickenhawk to boot.
... Standards and Practices !
PenGun
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This is it else I'm being trolled.
... get a Linux box up so you can do a little video hacking, very instructive. Mjpegtools is your friend here.
... Standards and Practices !
The mpeg2 stream your player decodes and displays is what you get. That's what's on the media or in the file.
There are artifacts in everything. A high bitrate mpeg2 as in a DVD has some but not many and a regular viewer will think it's great. The loss in quality from reencoding the raw stream is generally unnoticable by anyone but an anal video freak with expensive equipment.
Your encoder is lame *?????* What fucking encoder are you babbling about? This the first I've heard of it.
You need to learn a bit about video. Perhaps do a little research and
PenGun
Do What Now ???
No we are not. I am explaining how it is easy to grab the analog output and produce a near perfect copy. You seem to think this difficult. It's not, which was spectrokids original point.
... well I keep the bad karma so no fools at 1 and over can see me ;).
... Standards and Practices !
Who gives a flying fuck about chaining codecs together, nearly always a fools game anyway.
Ahhh yes
PenGun
Do What Now ???
You don't seem to understand what a named pipe is. It's a *nix feature that allows feeding the output of one thing to another.
... Standards and Practices !
The huge raw file never gets created. It is encoded on the fly from the pipe. No problem with file size at all.
PenGun
Do What Now ???
No I use mplayer to play whatever to a raw yuv stream which dumps to a named pipe which has an appropriate encoder, nearly always mpeg2enc.
;).
... Standards and Practices !
The audio dumps to a wave which I encode to a variety of formats, ac3 mp2 mp3 aac and several varieties of pcm (usually a music vid with good sound for the pcm, they large).
A DVD can be just as easily played and ripped that way. I recomend lxdvdrip for DVDs but as I have a variety of scripts that handle this, here's one, a dvd ripper (title 1). Substituting a video file is left as an exercise for the reader
mkfifo -m 666 stream.yuv
mplayer dvd://1 -noframedrop -vo yuv4mpeg -ao pcm -waveheader &
#dumps to stream.yuv and audiodump.wav
mpeg2enc -f 8 -M 2 -o $NAME.mpv stream.yuv &&
ffmpeg -i audiodump.wav -vn -acodec ac3 -ac 6 -ab 192 -ar 48000 $NAME.ac3 &&
#6 channle ac3 here
mplex -f 8 $NAME.mpv $NAME.ac3 -o $NAME.vob
That's the main part does the work, produces an mpeg2 ready for the vob structure dvdauthor adds.
PenGun
Do What Now ???
Nahh it's pretty simple. The raw stream (analog signal) can be fed to a named pipe (raw stream has no compression artifacts) which has mpeg2enc encoding it on the fly. Do it every day when I rip and encode whatever to DVD.
.... awwww too bad.
... Standards and Practices !
I guess the windose people are out of luck though
PenGun
Do What Now ???
Hey fuckbrain ogg kicks serious ass on mp3. Of course encoding an mp3 to ogg will benefit no one but try a wav. Big difference.
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PenGun
Do What Now
Go get mpeg2enc part of mjpegtools (google is your friend) and | to it. Oh I know I'm wasting my time ;).
PenGun
Do What Now ??? ... Standards and Practices !
Turf ... from you ass tro
Hey it don't render properly in Linux with Firefox either. Been broke for weeks. Oh no I'll get bad ..... naa can't get any lower than I am ;).
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PenGun
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What's an abi? You thought I had low karma for a reason? Heh.
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PenGun
Do What Now ???
You have no idea do you? The stone joy of Linux is the ability to do any damn thing you want. I find windose to be like wearing a straight jacket. The OS is so geared to idiots that it's hard to do anything cool.
... Standards and Practices !
My videos, DVDs, audio stuff all just comes up running from the main menu which accesses the file system for content. I have yet to see a windose desktop with anywhere close to the usability I've built into my window manager.
PenGun
Do What Now ???
You are absolutely correct, actually I missed them, just skimmed through. pi and micron.
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I was born in the year of the dog so no problem there.
Happy whatever yank.
PenGun
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I got 1. The patent office in Bern ... Einstien.
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Wow
PenGun
Do What Now ???
Hmmm I have not run into that yet. It occurs to me that those sectors, on the recordable, may be stamped instead of burned and may be easy to destroy. Nude media would be nice too.
;).
... Standards and Practices !
Then any CD-DVD player would seek to the first good sector which would contain our burned sectors. If a "this is not a CDR" flag is needed that should be trivial.
Puts on research hat, time to waste some media and do some block to block and examine results
It's nice to be a Canadian eh'.
PenGun
Do What Now ???
So far this is a windose problem folks. The range of ways to rip a DVD in Linux is impressive.
... Standards and Practices !
You'll need libdvdcss and libdvdread, both widly available and then everything from dvdbackup to vobcopy will rock and roll on the disc.
Lxdvdrip in it's present incarnation is very cool and if the title (the main one usually) is over 4.3 gig (dual layer is standard in commercial DVDs) it'll requantize it for you (I prefer that to the bitrate reduction some utilities use).
You end up with a 4.3 gig region 0 unencrypted disc that'll play anywhere.
I have yet to fail on a DVD.
PenGun
Do What Now ???
Sander said:
... Standards and Practices !
"Much like many PC games and other software CDs can't be copied as the disk verification is in the first few sectors which are already written to on blank CDRs, you can never create a bit-for-bit identical copy, so the copy is broken and doesn't work"
uh how can I put this
dd if=/dev/cdrom | cdrecord speed=x dev=/dev/cdr -data -
(scsi-ide, not needed with 2.6.10 rc2)
has yet to fail to duplicate any data disc for me, copy protection is included and the CD is a block for block copy.
Audio CDs with the wrong placement of blocks as protection have so far failed to fool cdparanoia, get a recent version.
As Linus has said "dd is your friend"
PenGun
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Not knowing what you are trying to rip I can only say my Linux machine has yet to fail.
:0).
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Cdparanoia seems to ignore the copy protection I've run into and cdrecord will burn anything
PenGun
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