Citing Bachlors and Masters degrees for teachers are a red herring. Just as a Masters degree is a waste for a McDonalds Fry cook, is is also a waste for a K-12 teacher. While a Bachlors Degree MIGHT be able to be rationalized as useful for grades 11 and 12, it is also a waste for any grade lower. Their bad choices on how to spend their youth and money neither entitle them to earn more, nor does it indicate whether enough money is being spent on education. It is a non-issue, and claiming that it is an issue shows a lack of willingness to have a real discussion on the subject.
I don't know what state you live in. In some of the poorer states, $47k average is certainly possible, but in those states, $47k is not a bad salary. In higher cost states like CA, starting pay is over $40k, and the average is almost $70K. That puts many teachers earning over $90k by the time they are hitting retirement. While that isn't Bill Gates rich, it is a pretty fine salary for someone that only works 9 months a year, and has less than an 8 hour day.
As for your comparison between youth and convicted criminals, your backpedaling indicates that you are fully aware that it hand no baring on the conversation.
Very simply, for the job that teachers are tasked with, they are paid a pretty good salary. The education system as a whole is also pretty well funded. The constant claims of poverty are simply a lie.
Maybe not, but I know that IBM released a tabbed browser in 1996. Lotus Notes 4 had HTTP browsing as one of it's features, and was definitely a tabbed browser. So, not only was tabbed browsing already thought of in 1997, but it was widely deployed in the market.
It wasn't difficult for me either when the company now called AT&T was still called Cingular and they bought the real AT&T wireless. Moved to T-Mobile so that I wouldn't have to do business with them.
The is NOTHING in HTML that dictates UI. Most browsers have some similarities to each other, but no more than MS Office vs. OpenOffice. I can make a UI that is 99% identical to MS Office in HTML, and then turn around and make a UI that is 99% identical to OpenOffice in HTML. Claiming that HTML in anyway at all creates consistency of UI is so wrong as to be bizarre. Surly if you are posting on Slashdot, you have been to enough web pages to be completely familiar with the fact that HTML based UIs are all over the map.
The fact that you think HTTP and HTTPs in any way is even remotely associated with a uniform user experience is also bizarre. The exact same user experience can be created with or without HTTP. HTTP is just the protocol for delivering files. It doesn't effect the user experience in any way shape or form. Unless they know to watch for subtle status messages, the user simply cannot tell what is delivered via HTTP, FTP, or even SMB.
For developers, HTML is really a kludge. While it is getting better, it is still a mess. The benefit that developers get out of HTML is that the browsers that render it also generally support javascript which is heavily integrated with HTML. That and the browser acts as a lowest common denominator for cross platform compatibility.
When you start talking about using plug-ins to use things like bittorrent, your statements start to make sense. You clearly don't understand the difference between HTTP, HTML, and web browsers. Putting the bittorent PROTOCOL into a web browser in no way makes it anything less than a different protocol.
Yes, the poster above pointed out my mistake on the magnitude.
Yes. $37.5B IS "plenty of money" to educate 9.3 million school age kids. Seriously. Trying to put it into a per kid value shows that you have no either don't understand the math, or are trying to deceive. The cost of running a business like a school does not scale linearly. Presumably colleges have far greater resources as they should, and a smaller enrollment which, because educating groups does not scale linearly WOULD be more expensive per student. And daycare as a 1-6:1 child to adult ratio whereas a public school has a 15-30:1 child to adult ratio. Only a moron would think that the costs for daycare wouldn't be at least an order of magnitude more expensive for daycare.
Of course, your attempt at trying to compare the states youths with convicted criminals is both insulting to the youth, and dishonest. Maybe if people like you didn't think that schools and prisons were the same thing, 37.5B wouldn't seem like such a small number to you. Do you really think that it wouldn't cost 10 times as much to forcibly hold adults who have demonstrated that they are willing to break the law in cells against their will than it does to educate a child?
The regular comments about XP being a ten year old operating system is a twist of words that becomes a lie in the context being used. I have XP on one of my daily used systems. It is not ten years old. it is 2 years old. At the time I bought it, MS was actively selling XP. In counting when someone is behind the times and using "old" technology, you don't count when the tech was first introduced. You count when it stop being rolled out to new systems. For XP, that is close to 2 years. 2 years is not that long for people to keep a functioning computer.
That doesn't give them an excuse for not upgrading to another browser for free if they run across sites that don't work on 2 year old computers.
There is nothing in HTTP or HTML that gives it special UI capabilities. I don't agree with the OP that there is anything wrong with using a browser for applications, but the claim that it gives the some magical knowledge of how the application works is also incorrect.
There are several problems with your argument. First, your claim of 51k average salary being the highest paid teachers in the country is wrong. Not kinda wrong but WAY off. I don't know where you got your data, but it wasn't from your "Citation".
My source is the National Teachers Association. The very first state I looked at was my own state, California. What did I find? STARTING salaries are $41k, and AVERAGE salaries are $68k. That means that many are making over $95k. Very simply, this is not destitution. It isn't even poor. Perticularly when you take into account that this is for 9 months of work. when you factor it into a monthly pay, it becomes the equivelent of a $55k starting salary. This is more than you claim the highest paid teachers in the counter average. The real average for teachers here when factored for the 9 month work year is the equivelent of a $90k a year job. That is AVERAGE for the teachers.
Now that your fake numbers are exposed, we can move on to your attempt to change the subject. We were not discussing whether teacher make as much as others who have the same "education" as them. We were discussing how much they made. Period. You did what all of the people who lie about teacher salaries do when they are called out on the fact that teachers are in the top half of the nations earners. You tried to change the subject away from your claim that they can't make ends meet, and try to change it to an argument about how much other people make in unrelated fields. That is simply dishonest. I am going to call you on it. Why is it you think teachers are incapable of living off of MORE money than half of the population. Unless you can come up with some kind of rational explanation on why this is the case, I can not believe that you are just wrong, but in fact are a liar. And, no, there being some other people that make more than them is NOT a rational explanation.
Finally, your premise that more "education" inherently means more money is simply wrong. Whining that you should make more money because you went to school longer is a dead end. Our colleges have become as much of a joke as our public schools. Those that want to get something out of them can, but the majority of people graduating from them simply put in the time to get their club card.
Ah, yes, $37.5 MILLION would be quite the bargain for the state of California, wouldn't it? Next time, I'll try to remember to put my pinkie next to my mouth when I misstate a dollar amount by three orders of magnitude.
Running the cable is minimal in cost. ISPs would love to be able to just pull a new cable to your home and get you to switch. It isn't nothing, but it wouldn't be huge either. That wouldn't reduce competition, it would increase it. The inefficiencies are so small as to be irrelevant.
I'm not sure how thick you think Fiber optics are, but "huge" is not a word that I would put towards it. A system of pipes equivalent to what municipalities already run for sewage would be more than sufficient to handle a good dozen or two competitors. We are trying to get competition, but that doesn't mean there will be a separate company for each house in the city. And, more important than having multiple companies is the ability for a new company to jump in. If you have three companies supplying internet access, and no one new can be added, the companies will collude, and you might as well have a monopoly. If you have three companies and there is the ability for a new company to jump in, they might not do it until the existing companies are so abusive that they can get a large portion of their customers. This threat will often lead grudgingly to better behavior by the existing companies.
The reason you want municipalities to lay pipe is because they have a good deal of experience in it. It is also a mature technology. When enhancements happen that require new fiber (or even a newer material) to be laid, you don't want that stiffled by the city (or a non-profit). You want some upstart to decide that they can cover the cost by selling it to early adopters at a premium. Then prices can drop. You want the cable to be replaceable. The pipes are basically what pipes have been for a few hundred years.
It doesn't matter how new the games are. The fact is that emulation does NOT make all games run poorly, and you don't know how many layers of abstraction are in any of the games you play anyway.
So, while the OP is wrong in his numbers, and that should be called out, he is not wrong in his general point that the public school system has plenty of money.
Public education is the single largest line item in the states budget.
Teachers are in the top half of all earners in almost every state of the union. This is only counting the 9 months they work in their regular contract. If they cannot make ends meet, it means that either half of the US workforce is destitute, or that for some reason teachers are particularly bad at money management. I am not buying either of those. Then add on top of it that the 50% of the work force that makes less than them ALSO has to work 12 months to make less than teachers make in 9, your claim becomes down right insulting. The OP is correct. The whining about teachers being underpaid is a sham.
Underpaid teachers are like teenage boys that don't masterbate. They are extremely rare, but they all seem to be right where the subject is being discussed.
An even bigger problem is people declaring something a natural monopoly that isn't. The only real difference between a non-profit and a for-profit is it's tax status. Making a non-profit doesn't solve anything. It just changes who the monopoly belongs to. Better would be to have municipalities install a system of pipes. They already do this, and have extensive experience in it. Then anyone can rent the space to run lines to any location.
Running the cables are not the expensive part. There is no natural monopoly on the laying of wire. Only on digging up the streets and getting right of ways.
I had AT&T before Cingular bought them. I had similar problems, and they just flat out told me that they were not maintaining the towers. They did offer to move me to the maintained "orange" network if I signed a new contract that gave me less minutes for more money. Obviously I wasn't going to sign a new contract with a company to fix service that they were not providing with the old contract.
That is simply untrue, and you know it. I have played thousands of games emulated that all ran exactly the same as the same as on the original platform. Millions of other people have had the same experience as me. In some cases, games even run BETTER emulated than on the original platform. You can not even always tell if a game is using emulation or not, and you certainly have no idea how many levels of abstraction there are.
Well, heck, if you want to take it to that extent, then there pretty much are no native games. Pretty much every single game made today runs through at least one level of abstraction. I don't get why people care if a game is run under emulation or not. Does the game run? Is it fun? Then who cares how many levels of abstraction it went through to get there?
Once the full disaster that was Bush was visible, there was no question that the Democrats would run either a woman or a black person. The only surprise was that it wasn't a black woman. I'm not saying that Obama wasn't the best choice the public as allowed to choose from, but if you think his color worked against him, you are very naive.
When they neglected to take Stacker's copyright notice out of DOS 6.0, it was pretty obvious that they had illegally copied the software even though it was closed source.
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Citing Bachlors and Masters degrees for teachers are a red herring. Just as a Masters degree is a waste for a McDonalds Fry cook, is is also a waste for a K-12 teacher. While a Bachlors Degree MIGHT be able to be rationalized as useful for grades 11 and 12, it is also a waste for any grade lower. Their bad choices on how to spend their youth and money neither entitle them to earn more, nor does it indicate whether enough money is being spent on education. It is a non-issue, and claiming that it is an issue shows a lack of willingness to have a real discussion on the subject.
I don't know what state you live in. In some of the poorer states, $47k average is certainly possible, but in those states, $47k is not a bad salary. In higher cost states like CA, starting pay is over $40k, and the average is almost $70K. That puts many teachers earning over $90k by the time they are hitting retirement. While that isn't Bill Gates rich, it is a pretty fine salary for someone that only works 9 months a year, and has less than an 8 hour day.
As for your comparison between youth and convicted criminals, your backpedaling indicates that you are fully aware that it hand no baring on the conversation.
Very simply, for the job that teachers are tasked with, they are paid a pretty good salary. The education system as a whole is also pretty well funded. The constant claims of poverty are simply a lie.
I think you have #1 wrong. It should be:
1. File patents for ideas that are already available in the market.
Maybe not, but I know that IBM released a tabbed browser in 1996. Lotus Notes 4 had HTTP browsing as one of it's features, and was definitely a tabbed browser. So, not only was tabbed browsing already thought of in 1997, but it was widely deployed in the market.
It wasn't difficult for me either when the company now called AT&T was still called Cingular and they bought the real AT&T wireless. Moved to T-Mobile so that I wouldn't have to do business with them.
The is NOTHING in HTML that dictates UI. Most browsers have some similarities to each other, but no more than MS Office vs. OpenOffice. I can make a UI that is 99% identical to MS Office in HTML, and then turn around and make a UI that is 99% identical to OpenOffice in HTML. Claiming that HTML in anyway at all creates consistency of UI is so wrong as to be bizarre. Surly if you are posting on Slashdot, you have been to enough web pages to be completely familiar with the fact that HTML based UIs are all over the map.
The fact that you think HTTP and HTTPs in any way is even remotely associated with a uniform user experience is also bizarre. The exact same user experience can be created with or without HTTP. HTTP is just the protocol for delivering files. It doesn't effect the user experience in any way shape or form. Unless they know to watch for subtle status messages, the user simply cannot tell what is delivered via HTTP, FTP, or even SMB.
For developers, HTML is really a kludge. While it is getting better, it is still a mess. The benefit that developers get out of HTML is that the browsers that render it also generally support javascript which is heavily integrated with HTML. That and the browser acts as a lowest common denominator for cross platform compatibility.
When you start talking about using plug-ins to use things like bittorrent, your statements start to make sense. You clearly don't understand the difference between HTTP, HTML, and web browsers. Putting the bittorent PROTOCOL into a web browser in no way makes it anything less than a different protocol.
Yes, the poster above pointed out my mistake on the magnitude.
Yes. $37.5B IS "plenty of money" to educate 9.3 million school age kids. Seriously. Trying to put it into a per kid value shows that you have no either don't understand the math, or are trying to deceive. The cost of running a business like a school does not scale linearly. Presumably colleges have far greater resources as they should, and a smaller enrollment which, because educating groups does not scale linearly WOULD be more expensive per student. And daycare as a 1-6:1 child to adult ratio whereas a public school has a 15-30:1 child to adult ratio. Only a moron would think that the costs for daycare wouldn't be at least an order of magnitude more expensive for daycare.
Of course, your attempt at trying to compare the states youths with convicted criminals is both insulting to the youth, and dishonest. Maybe if people like you didn't think that schools and prisons were the same thing, 37.5B wouldn't seem like such a small number to you. Do you really think that it wouldn't cost 10 times as much to forcibly hold adults who have demonstrated that they are willing to break the law in cells against their will than it does to educate a child?
The regular comments about XP being a ten year old operating system is a twist of words that becomes a lie in the context being used. I have XP on one of my daily used systems. It is not ten years old. it is 2 years old. At the time I bought it, MS was actively selling XP. In counting when someone is behind the times and using "old" technology, you don't count when the tech was first introduced. You count when it stop being rolled out to new systems. For XP, that is close to 2 years. 2 years is not that long for people to keep a functioning computer.
That doesn't give them an excuse for not upgrading to another browser for free if they run across sites that don't work on 2 year old computers.
There is nothing in HTTP or HTML that gives it special UI capabilities. I don't agree with the OP that there is anything wrong with using a browser for applications, but the claim that it gives the some magical knowledge of how the application works is also incorrect.
There are several problems with your argument. First, your claim of 51k average salary being the highest paid teachers in the country is wrong. Not kinda wrong but WAY off. I don't know where you got your data, but it wasn't from your "Citation".
My source is the National Teachers Association. The very first state I looked at was my own state, California. What did I find? STARTING salaries are $41k, and AVERAGE salaries are $68k. That means that many are making over $95k. Very simply, this is not destitution. It isn't even poor. Perticularly when you take into account that this is for 9 months of work. when you factor it into a monthly pay, it becomes the equivelent of a $55k starting salary. This is more than you claim the highest paid teachers in the counter average. The real average for teachers here when factored for the 9 month work year is the equivelent of a $90k a year job. That is AVERAGE for the teachers.
Now that your fake numbers are exposed, we can move on to your attempt to change the subject. We were not discussing whether teacher make as much as others who have the same "education" as them. We were discussing how much they made. Period. You did what all of the people who lie about teacher salaries do when they are called out on the fact that teachers are in the top half of the nations earners. You tried to change the subject away from your claim that they can't make ends meet, and try to change it to an argument about how much other people make in unrelated fields. That is simply dishonest. I am going to call you on it. Why is it you think teachers are incapable of living off of MORE money than half of the population. Unless you can come up with some kind of rational explanation on why this is the case, I can not believe that you are just wrong, but in fact are a liar. And, no, there being some other people that make more than them is NOT a rational explanation.
Finally, your premise that more "education" inherently means more money is simply wrong. Whining that you should make more money because you went to school longer is a dead end. Our colleges have become as much of a joke as our public schools. Those that want to get something out of them can, but the majority of people graduating from them simply put in the time to get their club card.
Ah, yes, $37.5 MILLION would be quite the bargain for the state of California, wouldn't it? Next time, I'll try to remember to put my pinkie next to my mouth when I misstate a dollar amount by three orders of magnitude.
Running the cable is minimal in cost. ISPs would love to be able to just pull a new cable to your home and get you to switch. It isn't nothing, but it wouldn't be huge either. That wouldn't reduce competition, it would increase it. The inefficiencies are so small as to be irrelevant.
I'm not sure how thick you think Fiber optics are, but "huge" is not a word that I would put towards it. A system of pipes equivalent to what municipalities already run for sewage would be more than sufficient to handle a good dozen or two competitors. We are trying to get competition, but that doesn't mean there will be a separate company for each house in the city. And, more important than having multiple companies is the ability for a new company to jump in. If you have three companies supplying internet access, and no one new can be added, the companies will collude, and you might as well have a monopoly. If you have three companies and there is the ability for a new company to jump in, they might not do it until the existing companies are so abusive that they can get a large portion of their customers. This threat will often lead grudgingly to better behavior by the existing companies.
The reason you want municipalities to lay pipe is because they have a good deal of experience in it. It is also a mature technology. When enhancements happen that require new fiber (or even a newer material) to be laid, you don't want that stiffled by the city (or a non-profit). You want some upstart to decide that they can cover the cost by selling it to early adopters at a premium. Then prices can drop. You want the cable to be replaceable. The pipes are basically what pipes have been for a few hundred years.
It doesn't matter how new the games are. The fact is that emulation does NOT make all games run poorly, and you don't know how many layers of abstraction are in any of the games you play anyway.
K-12 education does not take up 55% to 65% of the CA state budget, but it does make up almost a third of it.
Of the $127 Million budget, $48 million is earmarked for education and $37.5 million of it is set for K-12.
http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/agencies.html
So, while the OP is wrong in his numbers, and that should be called out, he is not wrong in his general point that the public school system has plenty of money.
Public education is the single largest line item in the states budget.
Teachers are in the top half of all earners in almost every state of the union. This is only counting the 9 months they work in their regular contract. If they cannot make ends meet, it means that either half of the US workforce is destitute, or that for some reason teachers are particularly bad at money management. I am not buying either of those. Then add on top of it that the 50% of the work force that makes less than them ALSO has to work 12 months to make less than teachers make in 9, your claim becomes down right insulting. The OP is correct. The whining about teachers being underpaid is a sham.
Underpaid teachers are like teenage boys that don't masterbate. They are extremely rare, but they all seem to be right where the subject is being discussed.
An even bigger problem is people declaring something a natural monopoly that isn't. The only real difference between a non-profit and a for-profit is it's tax status. Making a non-profit doesn't solve anything. It just changes who the monopoly belongs to. Better would be to have municipalities install a system of pipes. They already do this, and have extensive experience in it. Then anyone can rent the space to run lines to any location.
Running the cables are not the expensive part. There is no natural monopoly on the laying of wire. Only on digging up the streets and getting right of ways.
I had AT&T before Cingular bought them. I had similar problems, and they just flat out told me that they were not maintaining the towers. They did offer to move me to the maintained "orange" network if I signed a new contract that gave me less minutes for more money. Obviously I wasn't going to sign a new contract with a company to fix service that they were not providing with the old contract.
I agree with RMS on this one. So, now you have it from the highest source.
Yep, and it is more common than most people realize.
That would be fine if they prosecuted people for cheating. They don't though, so in this case, that would be a poor excused.
That is simply untrue, and you know it. I have played thousands of games emulated that all ran exactly the same as the same as on the original platform. Millions of other people have had the same experience as me. In some cases, games even run BETTER emulated than on the original platform. You can not even always tell if a game is using emulation or not, and you certainly have no idea how many levels of abstraction there are.
Honestly, your comment is just bizarre.
Well, heck, if you want to take it to that extent, then there pretty much are no native games. Pretty much every single game made today runs through at least one level of abstraction. I don't get why people care if a game is run under emulation or not. Does the game run? Is it fun? Then who cares how many levels of abstraction it went through to get there?
Once the full disaster that was Bush was visible, there was no question that the Democrats would run either a woman or a black person. The only surprise was that it wasn't a black woman. I'm not saying that Obama wasn't the best choice the public as allowed to choose from, but if you think his color worked against him, you are very naive.
When they neglected to take Stacker's copyright notice out of DOS 6.0, it was pretty obvious that they had illegally copied the software even though it was closed source.
How is using software from MS any less risky? It isn't like MS products haven't contained illegally copied code in the past.
I don't know about invisible, but I have met a couple of pink unicorns. They can be a lot of fun if your wife is down with that sort of thing.