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Ask Slashdot: Online Science For 8th Grade Students?

Peterus7 writes "I'm a student teacher in an 8th grade science classroom, and have noticed that students are very motivated by anything online. After realizing that, I've been looking for ways to incorporate internet resources into my teaching, and trying to find cool citizen science projects, activities, and simulations that would be appropriate for a grade school science class, such as galaxyzoo and fold.it. So, I'm asking slashdot for more resources that could help bring science to their lives. Thanks!"

225 comments

  1. Anything Online? by MoonBuggy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It sounds like you're motivated and genuinely want to help them learn, which is a great (and all too rare) thing in a teacher, but I'm a born pessimist, so I have to ask: are you sure "anything online" doesn't mean "anything that makes it easy to look like one's working while chatting on Facebook and playing Flash games"?

    1. Re:Anything Online? by LastGunslinger · · Score: 2

      I have to ask, does whatever you do for a living come close to making the same positive contribution to society as an average teacher? You say that teachers whom are motivated and genuinely want students to learn are rare. Why do you think people, especially those with degrees in the maths and sciences, choose to teach? For the money?

    2. Re:Anything Online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are plenty of great, educational Flash games:

      http://www.cellcraftgame.com/Home.html

    3. Re:Anything Online? by 517714 · · Score: 2

      Short hours, long summer vacation, lack of supervision, great retirement benefits, union benefits, tenure, and discount at Border's books all come to mind. Not to mention that teachers pay increases have outstripped inflation consistently which cannot be said of very many fields. I don't begrudge teachers what they are paid, but they are represented by the largest union in the country, and they are not under compensated as a group and I am tired of hearing that refrain.

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    4. Re:Anything Online? by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      I don't know, but there seem to be quite a few teachers who go about their job the wrong way. They're extremely short tempered and take offense to nearly everything (even given their situation, this is not appropriate), act like a dictator in their own classrooms (such as censoring speech that opposes their own political views even when the students are allowed to speak), treat their students like garbage (constantly yell and throw out anyone who merely questions or corrects them), and fail to make the class even the slightest bit interesting (it doesn't have to be constantly interesting, but the boring way they teach doesn't help in the slightest). Some of them (typically teachers who teach in electives but have never even been trained in the subject before) don't even know what they are talking about. Although, that is more rare. It also doesn't help that students (even ones in high school) are forced to take subjects that they likely won't even need for their profession just because they might use it.

      They may like teaching, but many of them (that I've seen) don't appear to be good at it. If you don't have patience, you really, really shouldn't be a teacher.

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    5. Re:Anything Online? by MoonBuggy · · Score: 1

      I meant it as a friendly but semi-serious question about whether the OP was reading the students correctly or not, but it seems that the wry smile it was said with got lost in the translation to text.

      That said, your serious question deserves a serious reply: maybe I had an unusually poor experience in the education system, but my general conversations on the subject lead me to believe it was more or less standard. I met a few good teachers, and they make a wonderful contribution to society, I absolutely agree, but they were by no means the majority, nor would they even come out as 'the average'. Incidentally, most of those I've met who were good were the ones who could be making more money elsewhere but chose to remain in education. There were quite a few who'd ended up in teaching basically by default - the classic "if you can't do, teach" brigade. There were even a few genuinely unpleasant human beings who were essentially on a power trip because they got to tell people what to do. The majority, however, were a random assortment of people who'd started well but long since had all drive knocked out of them by mountainous paperwork, unpleasant parents, and ungrateful, poorly behaved little shits in the classroom; I quite understand why they were bad at their jobs, and there was little motivation for them to be anything else, but the fact remains that most teachers I've come across were functioning largely as state-sponsored childcare.

      Those who teach well, and even take a pay cut to do so, have my utmost respect. Although it was just a passing comment, I stand by my statement that they are all too rare.

    6. Re:Anything Online? by frosty_tsm · · Score: 2, Informative

      Short hours

      Hahaha... do you really thing a teacher's day end when the last bell rings? Or that many teach summer school just to make ends meet?

      Not to mention that teachers pay increases have outstripped inflation consistently

      This doesn't seem to apply for any teacher I know.

    7. Re:Anything Online? by frosty_tsm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They may like teaching, but many of them (that I've seen) don't appear to be good at it. If you don't have patience, you really, really shouldn't be a teacher.

      I think we need to make teaching more attractive as a career to build a bigger (hopefully better) pool of applicants to pick from. Regardless of what Fox News says, they are underpaid considering the job requirements and stress they deal with.

    8. Re:Anything Online? by Jessified · · Score: 2

      Off-topic with OP but On-topic with Parent:

      So strip collective bargaining rights?

      I never understand this class wars business, where the rich pit their non-unionized minions against the unionized employees. Teachers make a liveable income but it's not a life of luxury like the actual upper class would have you believe. To the poor right: stop voting against your interests! If you are upset because you think teachers have it better than you, the solution isn't to bring teachers down, it's to fight for an increase to your own standard of living.

      If $50,000 per year is so luxurious, then those making >$250,000 shouldn't mind letting their temporary tax cuts come to an end. Wait, what, you do mind? You mean to say that >$250,000 isn't enough, but $50,000 is? I'm confused.

    9. Re:Anything Online? by Angostura · · Score: 1

      I've no idea why you have been moderated flamebait, this appears to be a rather insightful question to me.

    10. Re:Anything Online? by Seumas · · Score: 2

      It's just all so damn sad. I'm falling into a puddle of my own tears. Oh my! I mean, education only makes up around 55% to 65% of state budgets. Why, whatever will those poor destitute people, do? Clearly, they need 100% of all taxes to go to education. Then everything will be perfect and everyone will be well educated and teachers will finally be able to stop living on the street, sleeping in the gutters and living on cans of cat food!

    11. Re:Anything Online? by YoshiDan · · Score: 1

      If I had to put up with teenagers all day I'd turn into a cunt too!

    12. Re:Anything Online? by IB4Student · · Score: 1

      Assuming that all kids just want to use computers to play games and use Facebook makes you look like a real dick.

    13. Re:Anything Online? by WilCompute · · Score: 1

      This is so true, they are supervised by backward thinking district supervisors, that deal directly with their parents that didn't finish high school. We need to allow the teachers to actually teach, not just memorization.

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    14. Re:Anything Online? by frosty_tsm · · Score: 1

      It's just all so damn sad. I'm falling into a puddle of my own tears. Oh my! I mean, education only makes up around 55% to 65% of state budgets. Why, whatever will those poor destitute people, do? Clearly, they need 100% of all taxes to go to education. Then everything will be perfect and everyone will be well educated and teachers will finally be able to stop living on the street, sleeping in the gutters and living on cans of cat food!

      Citation please.

    15. Re:Anything Online? by gandhi_2 · · Score: 1

      uh oh.

      did someone hurt your feelings today at school?

      it's okay princess, you can tell us.

    16. Re:Anything Online? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Teachers are in the top half of all earners in almost every state of the union. This is only counting the 9 months they work in their regular contract. If they cannot make ends meet, it means that either half of the US workforce is destitute, or that for some reason teachers are particularly bad at money management. I am not buying either of those. Then add on top of it that the 50% of the work force that makes less than them ALSO has to work 12 months to make less than teachers make in 9, your claim becomes down right insulting. The OP is correct. The whining about teachers being underpaid is a sham.

      Underpaid teachers are like teenage boys that don't masterbate. They are extremely rare, but they all seem to be right where the subject is being discussed.

    17. Re:Anything Online? by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      K-12 education does not take up 55% to 65% of the CA state budget, but it does make up almost a third of it.

      Of the $127 Million budget, $48 million is earmarked for education and $37.5 million of it is set for K-12.

      http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/agencies.html

      So, while the OP is wrong in his numbers, and that should be called out, he is not wrong in his general point that the public school system has plenty of money.

      Public education is the single largest line item in the states budget.

    18. Re:Anything Online? by mcneely.mike · · Score: 0

      unless they were all teenage girls... then you'd turn into a dick???

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    19. Re:Anything Online? by frosty_tsm · · Score: 1

      Of the $127 Million budget, $48 million is earmarked for education and $37.5 million of it is set for K-12.

      Thanks.

      On a side note, numbers on that link are in thousands. ^m^b.

    20. Re:Anything Online? by frosty_tsm · · Score: 1

      Teachers are also among the most educated, being surpassed primarily by doctors, lawyers, and researchers (who are often themselves professors). The median income for a person with a "Bachelor's degree or more" is 49k and for someone with a masters degree is 52k. If I recall correctly, the average (or median?) salary for WI teachers was 51k, and they are the highest paid teachers in the country (both stats were from the less-than-conservative news orgs). This puts the "best paid" teachers among the average for their education level.

      So really, the 50% that makes less than them should have stayed in school and earned a diploma / degree.

      Citation here. On a side note, notice how the income drops for people with doctoral degrees (aka professors).

    21. Re:Anything Online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and the few (one?) you know are a totally representative sample. Statistics FAIL! sounds like you were let down by a teacher. [nelson]Ha ha![/nelson]

    22. Re:Anything Online? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Education degrees aren't real degrees and they cannot be compared. It is both a joke and a shame in all the other schools on every campus and has been for decades.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    23. Re:Anything Online? by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      Ah, yes, $37.5 MILLION would be quite the bargain for the state of California, wouldn't it? Next time, I'll try to remember to put my pinkie next to my mouth when I misstate a dollar amount by three orders of magnitude.

    24. Re:Anything Online? by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      Education degrees aren't real degrees and they cannot be compared. It is both a joke and a shame in all the other schools on every campus and has been for decades.

      I agree with that, but they cost just as much as the "real" degrees do, not to mention that a college degree really isn't much more than a piece of paper that gets you a job these days anyway. Also, even in a "sham" degree, they still make you do shit that takes just as much time as the crap you have to do in any other degree. The difference is merely that "education" as a topic, is bullshit. The fact that it's a joke doesn't necessarily help the people who have to go through it, though.

      My mother was a teacher for 30 years until retirement. We did all right, but I would say that the best thing that it gets people is the "regular" middle class lifestyle: house, one economy car for each working parent, and the ability to put three kids through K-12 and then pay for college with heavy financial aid and work study jobs. Mostly comfortable, yes. Well off? No fucking way.

      The only thing I would say was better than average was the 3 months of vacation, the very good medical benefits, and that the retirement package doesn't seem to be that bad. Teacher hours, however, are atrocious if you give a crap. You get in early in the morning to get ready, and stay late after they all leave to take care of remaining business for the rest of the day, including conferences, grading, preparing lesson plans, etc. And lets not forget that they have to babysit the little precious darlings of Americans five days a week for eight hours a day.

      Mind you, I've never been a big fan of how unions have turned out, and indeed one reason I am somewhat anti-union is from observing the antics of the local teacher's union. Nevertheless, I've never seen where a teacher is paid scads of money for the trouble. Having seen what sort of shit a teacher has to go through, I knew that one of the jobs that I had no interest in was being a teacher. The mere thought of it causes me to cringe. And I like the idea of teaching people, but I never want to go near classrooms of juveniles that would rather be anywhere than in my classroom.

      Being a teacher blows. You can only manage it if you like it. Even if you do like it, its not easy. Its preschool without the cuteness, with standardized tests thrown in. I'll forgive them the BS degree for that.

    25. Re:Anything Online? by tnk1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not the money that's the problem really. Oh sure, the newbies make shit money, but they eventually do all right.

      The problem is the job itself, and its not getting easier.

      I am given to understand that garbage men make a pretty decent wage. However, the reason that many don't consider that a field worth aspiring to is because as a job, it fucking sucks. The same thing goes for teaching, only the suckage comes from a different set of causes.

      Personally, from my observations, schools would benefit more from hiring more people to help, than they would benefit by paying existing teachers more money. There is no lack of people qualified to do something in a school. What there is a lack of is people hired to do that work. Workloads are high, and classroom sizes are getting bigger. They need more people, but the fact of the matter is that the very unions with their tenure and working to increase existing teacher salaries means that the number of open positions for people who train to be teachers is pretty small. They can't very well hire more people if they have to either give them tenure or worse, not be able to keep them on because otherwise the union will force the district to hand out tenure or to let them go.

      Teachers may well be a little underpaid, but what they are mostly is *under supported*.

    26. Re:Anything Online? by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      There are several problems with your argument. First, your claim of 51k average salary being the highest paid teachers in the country is wrong. Not kinda wrong but WAY off. I don't know where you got your data, but it wasn't from your "Citation".

      My source is the National Teachers Association. The very first state I looked at was my own state, California. What did I find? STARTING salaries are $41k, and AVERAGE salaries are $68k. That means that many are making over $95k. Very simply, this is not destitution. It isn't even poor. Perticularly when you take into account that this is for 9 months of work. when you factor it into a monthly pay, it becomes the equivelent of a $55k starting salary. This is more than you claim the highest paid teachers in the counter average. The real average for teachers here when factored for the 9 month work year is the equivelent of a $90k a year job. That is AVERAGE for the teachers.

      Now that your fake numbers are exposed, we can move on to your attempt to change the subject. We were not discussing whether teacher make as much as others who have the same "education" as them. We were discussing how much they made. Period. You did what all of the people who lie about teacher salaries do when they are called out on the fact that teachers are in the top half of the nations earners. You tried to change the subject away from your claim that they can't make ends meet, and try to change it to an argument about how much other people make in unrelated fields. That is simply dishonest. I am going to call you on it. Why is it you think teachers are incapable of living off of MORE money than half of the population. Unless you can come up with some kind of rational explanation on why this is the case, I can not believe that you are just wrong, but in fact are a liar. And, no, there being some other people that make more than them is NOT a rational explanation.

      Finally, your premise that more "education" inherently means more money is simply wrong. Whining that you should make more money because you went to school longer is a dead end. Our colleges have become as much of a joke as our public schools. Those that want to get something out of them can, but the majority of people graduating from them simply put in the time to get their club card.

    27. Re:Anything Online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all kids - just many. The kids who do want to do more with computers are not at risk - they will do just fine in life. The teacher's challenge is inspiring the former kind of kid to become the latter kind.

    28. Re:Anything Online? by Stooshie · · Score: 1

      So, presumably, if teachers have it so good, you have given up your job and become one then!

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    29. Re:Anything Online? by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      My cousin is a teacher and she does teach summer school to make ends meet, spends extra hours at school with endless meetings, spends hours at home grading papers, preparing lessons etc. It isn't all beer and skittles my friend.

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      Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
    30. Re:Anything Online? by tehcyder · · Score: 0

      It sounds like you're motivated and genuinely want to help them learn, which is a great (and all too rare) thing in a teacher, but I'm a born pessimist, so I have to ask: are you sure "anything online" doesn't mean "anything that makes it easy to look like one's working while chatting on Facebook and playing Flash games"?

      I see parent has been modded as flamebait by a bunch of eighth graders who want to look like they're working while chatting on Facebook and playing Flash games.

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    31. Re:Anything Online? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Short hours, long summer vacation, lack of supervision, great retirement benefits, union benefits, tenure, and discount at Border's books all come to mind. Not to mention that teachers pay increases have outstripped inflation consistently which cannot be said of very many fields. I don't begrudge teachers what they are paid, but they are represented by the largest union in the country, and they are not under compensated as a group and I am tired of hearing that refrain.

      Short hours and long vacations are a bit misleading, all the teachers I've ever known have done a lot extra on top of the "office hours" of 9 to 3 or whatever.

      Lack of supervision certainly doesn't apply here in the UK, there is a lot of testing, monitoring and so on. You get a reasonable pension here (at the moment) and there is indeed a good union, but tenure doesn't apply to teachers here.

      Overall, teachers are not particularly badly paid by public sector standards. A newly qualified teacher straight out of college starts at about £21K, similar to a trainee fireman, policeman or social worker.

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    32. Re:Anything Online? by frosty_tsm · · Score: 1

      Thank you for sharing your story.

    33. Re:Anything Online? by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      Let's do a little math, shall we? How much do you think educators should make? For argument, let's go with $40k on average. Now, how many students on average does the teacher have? Let's say 30. So each student's family would have to come up with 40,000/30= $1,333.33 each year for their teacher. How much do you pay in state taxes? For argument let's go with 5% of your family income, so maybe $6000.

      So if you had two kids, and you were paying your fair share for your kids' education, about 44% of your taxes would theoretically be going to pay just their teachers. That's not to mention the cost of the schools, buses, administration, textbooks, benefits, etc. So I don't think 55 to 65% of the state budget being spent on education is unreasonable.

      Perhaps instead of cutting taxes for the rich, this country should get serious about paying for what they expect. I would gladly pay more state taxes to keep schools, parks, and libraries open. All of these things are on the chopping block in my neck of the woods.

    34. Re:Anything Online? by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      By the way, that's billions, not millions. Numbers are reported in thousands.

      Even then, do you really think $37.5B is "plenty of money" to educate 9.3 million school age kids? Seriously? That's roughly $4000 per kid. Think about how much people pay for daycare and college. Probably half to two thirds of that would be for teacher's salaries alone. That leaves the rest for the other costs of educating people: administration, buses, books, maintenance, etc.

      Let's look at another line item. They have $9B for corrections. There are roughly 170,000 inmates in California. That comes to about $53,000 per year per inmate. More than ten times the cost of educating a child. Where do you think you get more bang for your buck?

    35. Re:Anything Online? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Yes, the poster above pointed out my mistake on the magnitude.

      Yes. $37.5B IS "plenty of money" to educate 9.3 million school age kids. Seriously. Trying to put it into a per kid value shows that you have no either don't understand the math, or are trying to deceive. The cost of running a business like a school does not scale linearly. Presumably colleges have far greater resources as they should, and a smaller enrollment which, because educating groups does not scale linearly WOULD be more expensive per student. And daycare as a 1-6:1 child to adult ratio whereas a public school has a 15-30:1 child to adult ratio. Only a moron would think that the costs for daycare wouldn't be at least an order of magnitude more expensive for daycare.

      Of course, your attempt at trying to compare the states youths with convicted criminals is both insulting to the youth, and dishonest. Maybe if people like you didn't think that schools and prisons were the same thing, 37.5B wouldn't seem like such a small number to you. Do you really think that it wouldn't cost 10 times as much to forcibly hold adults who have demonstrated that they are willing to break the law in cells against their will than it does to educate a child?

    36. Re:Anything Online? by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      Let's look at the cost of my child's daycare. The legal ratio is 18:1; the actual ratio is about 11:1. The "teacher" does not likely have a college degree. She probably makes $14/hr. My share of her income is probably around $3,300. So a lot of what I pay is for overhead. I get that. I also understand economies of scale. But the quality of education is also supposed to be better at elementary school compared to daycare.

      The elementary school in my neighborhood has a ratio of 17:1. The teachers all have bachelor's degrees, and many have a master's. The average salary is somewhere around $47k. That's $2,764 per child just for the teacher's salary. I can certainly see administrative costs, benefits, supplies, etc. costing over $1,250 per child. I simply don't see $4,000 per child as an exorbitant amount.

      Comparing corrections budgets to education budgets is not the same as comparing youth to criminals. And yes, I can certainly see how it would cost 10x as much as teaching kids. My point is that there's a problem when people are ranting about cutting teacher's pay while non-government corrections contractors are getting lucrative contracts.

    37. Re:Anything Online? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Citing Bachlors and Masters degrees for teachers are a red herring. Just as a Masters degree is a waste for a McDonalds Fry cook, is is also a waste for a K-12 teacher. While a Bachlors Degree MIGHT be able to be rationalized as useful for grades 11 and 12, it is also a waste for any grade lower. Their bad choices on how to spend their youth and money neither entitle them to earn more, nor does it indicate whether enough money is being spent on education. It is a non-issue, and claiming that it is an issue shows a lack of willingness to have a real discussion on the subject.

      I don't know what state you live in. In some of the poorer states, $47k average is certainly possible, but in those states, $47k is not a bad salary. In higher cost states like CA, starting pay is over $40k, and the average is almost $70K. That puts many teachers earning over $90k by the time they are hitting retirement. While that isn't Bill Gates rich, it is a pretty fine salary for someone that only works 9 months a year, and has less than an 8 hour day.

      As for your comparison between youth and convicted criminals, your backpedaling indicates that you are fully aware that it hand no baring on the conversation.

      Very simply, for the job that teachers are tasked with, they are paid a pretty good salary. The education system as a whole is also pretty well funded. The constant claims of poverty are simply a lie.

    38. Re:Anything Online? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Costs the same in dollars but not in hours spent. Not even close.

      My parents are both teachers. Neither has an education degree.

      Mom owned and ran a 'Harvard Prep' preschool, degree in Child Psych. Dad is a Professor so can't really be called a teacher. Oblig: Prof. Farnsworth 'of course I can't teach, I'm a professor!'

      Finances in our house were not great, especially when dad was a post-doc and mom was just a pre-school teacher. They got substantially better.

      I'm kind of thankful they didn't get the long summer vacations we kids did. Summer was much more fun with them out of our hair.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    39. Re:Anything Online? by Seumas · · Score: 1

      You typically receive a breakdown pie-chart of how the taxes are spent each year, by your state (usually around January or February). I haven't looked at every state, but the two that I've lived in most recently have shown education expenses between around 55% to 60% despite the states having frequent loud "we don't spend enough of the money on education and we can't give the students quality schooling, because of it!" contingent. Namely, Oregon and Colorado.

      I only did minimal digging around, so I didn't grab it straight from the source, but here's a chart sourced from the state of Oregon that shows 54% spent on education, 17% spent on prisons, 24% spent on human services. Colorado is at about 49% on education. Washington looks to be about 40%. Other states that I've looked at seem to show education as the biggest chunk of expenses and often accounting for around half of all expenses.

      In addition, the federal government also budgets for education to supplement this.

      Oregon Tax Dollars: Where do they come from and where do they go?

      Colorado Tax Expenses Breakdown

      Washington Tax Expense Breakdown

      As a result, I have always had a difficult time taking complaints of "we don't have enough money!" seriously, when they often consume more tax resources than every other expense, combined.

    40. Re:Anything Online? by Seumas · · Score: 1

      I said 55% to 65%. Currently, Oregon spends 54% on education. Colorado spends about 50% on education. I'm not sure what there is to "call me out" on. California may spend less of their overall budget on education, but there are other states. These are the two I've received end of year fiscal reports in the mail on and which are definitely very loud "pay us more, we don't have enough money to educate children!" states.

      A quick skim of a few other states (Wisconsin, etc) seems to show around 30% tends to be the minimum range of funding - still more than any other expenditure on most of their books. By a lot.

    41. Re:Anything Online? by Seumas · · Score: 1

      I don't care about the justifications. The point is, plenty of money is being spent on education and the more we spend, the less we get. The idea that "if we only spend 90% of taxes on education, we'll finally get it right!" is bullshit. Rather than demanding more funding, how about getting your shit together so you can do more with your resources?

      Also, I don't have any children, so I'm already paying for your fair share. (And no, don't give me the "but you already got your education so you're just returning the favor derf derf derf" stuff as I left school a month into my first year of highschool to get a GED and made my own way in the tech industry where I've been very fortunate with no thanks to the shitty education system I wasted so many years of my life in).

      I have a better idea. Don't breed until you can afford your child's expenses and let everyone else keep their money. Especially since every single educational system in this country has proven that they are both corrupt and irresponsible. Nobody would mind half of all state taxes going to education produced great results. But you can't provide shit results and then hold a knife to the tax-payer's throat saying "well, just give us *more* and we'll totally do it right next time!".

    42. Re:Anything Online? by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      Since you obviously think that teaching is a no-education-required profession, there's not really any point in trying to have this discussion. You are among the misinformed throngs that think teachers just sit around babysitting all day. Good teachers put in hundreds of hours outside of class time preparing lessons, calling parents, taking continuing education courses, decorating their classrooms, and grading homework. These things take time and training. The notion that teachers work 9 months a year for less than 8 hrs a day is only true for shitty teachers.

      I don't think you will find any teachers that claim to be in poverty. In fact, I find more people claiming that teachers claim poverty than actual teachers claiming to be in poverty. But they are not excessively paid. In my area, the average teacher makes about 10% over the median individual income.

      The conversation is (or morphed into being) about percentage of a state budget for teachers and whether or not its unreasonable. So bringing up corrections is certainly germane. I guess I could have talked about H&HS rather than corrections, but it's harder to get good data on how many people that department serves.

    43. Re:Anything Online? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Do you have an online source for that 55%? If so, it would be a very good talking point. I say call you out, as I have not seen any data to show any states spending that much. That doesn't mean it isn't possible. If you are exaggerating, those that support the same position should call you out, as it would undermine the point. If you are accurate, then a source would be very good for keeping the statement from looking like an exaggeration, and driving the point home.

    44. Re:Anything Online? by Belial6 · · Score: 1
      I have known a lot of teachers. None of them put in the hours that you claim, and every "the teachers are starving" brigade. Teachers do NOT spend all summer and every evening going to training and dc0014

      As for the claim that no one is saying teachers are in poverty, you show that you are among the missinformed throngs that plug there ears to the world. Just a little ways up on this thread you will find that frosty_tsm said:

      Hahaha... do you really thing a teacher's day end when the last bell rings? Or that many teach summer school just to make ends meet?

      His kinds of comments are down right common.

  2. Slashdot by perlhacker14 · · Score: 1

    Get them to read Slashdot. I promise their lives will be much more fulfilling. :P

    1. Re:Slashdot by ezratrumpet · · Score: 2

      Slashdot is the intelligentsia.

      Reddit is the hivemind.

      4chan is the dark underbelly of the internet. When archangels travel within 4chan, they do it as a group, with heavy air support.

      Tl; dr: 4chan is virtual hell

    2. Re:Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For a really interesting discussion, nothing can beat goatse!

  3. KhanAcademy by EliotVU · · Score: 5, Informative

    www.KhanAcademy.org FTW!

    1. Re:KhanAcademy by LordNacho · · Score: 2

      I second this. Also, go to Wikipedia frontpage, follow links that you find interesting. The amount of stuff I've learned doing that is immense.

      Then again, I'm way past school age, and back then I'd only look at stuff the teacher DIDN'T tell me to look at. Maybe you should instruct them to look at Fox News, tmz, Hello magazine, and a good dose of X-Factor and Big Brother reruns.

    2. Re:KhanAcademy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Fuck off.

    3. Re:KhanAcademy by geezer+nerd · · Score: 1

      When I was a teenager (1950s), I went to the city library and sat and read Encyclopaedia Britannica for hours. It's amazing what little nooks and crannies of knowledge and the world one can encounter that way.

    4. Re:KhanAcademy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. www.KhanAcademy.org

    5. Re:KhanAcademy by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      When I was a teenager, I went to the city library and sat and read Encyclopaedia Britannica for hours.

      Same here. I used to cut class and go to the library. The books there were way more interesting than the classes. Also, truant officers never check the libraries.

      After reading the encyclopedia, I have never lost a game of Trivial Pursuit.

    6. Re:KhanAcademy by spopepro · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Please don't. I understand that this was a massive undertaking by a non-professional which merits some recognition, but it really isn't a good resource. Sure, it makes sense if you have learned all the topics, and it's pretty easy to follow, but I guarantee that it will fail to foster any transfer of knowledge, deep understanding or promote an interest in further investigation. This is Kumon, for free, and not even as well structured.

    7. Re:KhanAcademy by pitchpipe · · Score: 1

      Khan was valedictorian of his high school class and attained a perfect score in the math portion of his SATs. Khan holds three degrees from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology: a BS in mathematics, a BS in electrical engineering and computer science, and an MS in electrical engineering and computer science. He also holds an MBA from Harvard Business School.

      source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Khan_(educator)
      U mad bro?

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    8. Re:KhanAcademy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I third this one!!

    9. Re:KhanAcademy by spopepro · · Score: 2

      So he can do it. Good for him.

      Ted Williams was the greatest hitter of the modern era of baseball. He sucked as a coach and a manager--because all the qualifications in the world doesn't mean that you can then get someone else to do it.

    10. Re:KhanAcademy by oranGoo · · Score: 2

      Saying that this is not a good resource depends on what you compare it to. If you compare to an experienced and brilliant teacher giving lectures to a small group of students then Khan does not really have a chance. If you compare also to best of books he is a bit shaky. But I've read that lots of people find it a good resource and I am not surprised - it is a video, you can do it at your own pace and it has a social network component. If used as additional learning tool I can't see how you could call it anything but a good resource.

  4. Get offline and do experiments by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do real experiments. The kids will remember that.

    1. Re:Get offline and do experiments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do real experiments. The kids will remember that.

      Until they realize it was just doing nothing constructive and hardly of any value at all.

      Do USEFUL activities. Not mindless gimmicks.

    2. Re:Get offline and do experiments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recall exactly zero experiments from junior high and only one in high school (magnesium combustion). They won't remember any of it unless they major in it at university.

    3. Re:Get offline and do experiments by ezratrumpet · · Score: 2

      Exploding sodium. Never forgot it.

    4. Re:Get offline and do experiments by fermion · · Score: 5, Informative
      It is true that a science teacher should include practical experiments, if the kids are going to do the expeiments themselves. If you are just going to demonstrations, then I see no reason why kids should not just be watching videos. I believe the computer simulations are way underrated in a world where schools are more fearful of letting kids do anything useful.

      These practical experiments will give the conceptual basis of what will be tested if the kids ever take an AP Science exam. They do not need to be fancy. Heat water measure rate of change. Build a gravity accelerated race track, film the cars, and analyze using free video analysis software. Run 1mw laser though pieces of plastic. And, the most important experiement of all, give them measuring instruments, let them measure things around the room, and then compare results. They will be amazed at how different everyone's mesasurements are. At that age, mean, mode, median, and rage are valid math concepts.

      As far as online goes. Look for any and all animated experiments. PHET has many of them. You can download videos of experiments, or have the kids make them, and make scatter plots relating various variables using Tracker Video Analysis. The construction of these graphs meet many objects for high school math and science. I have found online sources to simulate any experiment that I want to do. Most of these are accesible to almost any age group by simply by adjusiting pre-lab instruction and post-lab assessment

      Just like in any expeiment, the pre- and post-lab are the thing. Most kids will lean very little from a lab without a pre- and post-lab. Doing the lab is only going to be so successful. The required analysis of what the student has observed is a key learning process. In any lab, online or not, know the concepts that are to be taught, and how they will be reinforced and assesed. For instance on PHET you can make resistors catch fire. Why do they catch fire? Will they catch fire faster if the resistance is increased of the potential or current. This creates an exciting learning activity.

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    5. Re:Get offline and do experiments by nbauman · · Score: 2

      Build a gravity accelerated race track, film the cars, and analyze using free video analysis software.

      Galileo did it with inclined planes, without video, and without video analysis software. How does the video and software make it any better?

    6. Re:Get offline and do experiments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do real experiments. The kids will remember that.

      Until they realize it was just doing nothing constructive and hardly of any value at all.

      Do USEFUL activities. Not mindless gimmicks.

      What's not useful about experiments? They are how we figure out things we want to know.

      Even in school, repeating something already done allows you to discover or prove for yourself things about the physical world, instead of merely accepting dogma or magical thinking.

      It all depends on how you approach it. If you approach it as "I have to grind through this assignment which lays out step-by-step how to repeat some BS that's already been done 1000 times", then it will be a mindless gimmick and either you've got bad teachers or a bad attitude. If it's "Really? How would I see for myself?" then you are engaging your brain and learning how to do science.

      For example, there's a lot of press coverage about the "super moon" this weekend. And you can read on wikipedia that "looming" (where the moon looks bigger near the horizon) is just an optical illusion. But figure out (via guided brainstorming in class) that you can make simple tools to measure the angle for yourself at different times, then you've taken a step forward as an independent thinker who knows how to discover truth.

      I do experiments in my job all the time to figure out things like "how will this proposed change actually affect performance under our real-world loads?" In doing so I take advantage of the stuff I learned in the 8th grade (and other years) about constructing experiments, sampling, using proper controls, avoiding biases, estimating uncertainty and error propagation. If I didn't know how do real data-driven decisions, and instead just blindly went on "the vendor recommends" or "industry standard" or (shudder) "I learned in my certification course", then my job would be mindless and I wouldn't be worth nearly as much to my employer (in fact, they'd not have hired me).

      So, in my case, all that I learned in primary and secondary school about how to construct and conduct experiments translated pretty directly into a more satisfying and interesting job and more money in my adult life. If it was a "gimmick," then give me more gimmicks like that, please.

    7. Re:Get offline and do experiments by Auroch · · Score: 1

      Build a gravity accelerated race track, film the cars, and analyze using free video analysis software.

      Galileo did it with inclined planes, without video, and without video analysis software. How does the video and software make it any better?

      Hmmm. Well, turing had a computer design back in the 1800s. Maybe you should be using that to post on slashdot, and I'll start teaching with 19th century techniques.

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    8. Re:Get offline and do experiments by dcollins · · Score: 1

      "They will be amazed at how different everyone's mesasurements are."

      Really? I recall being the only one in my high school chemistry/physics classes who really cared about that.

      --
      We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
    9. Re:Get offline and do experiments by Angostura · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I remember our science teacher getting a very large steel drum, putting some water in it and heating, then quickly screwing on a tight-fittning cap and dousing the thing in iced water. It collapsed on itself in a satisfyingly noisy way, showing just how substantial atmospheric pressure is.

      One more vote for real experiments.

    10. Re:Get offline and do experiments by Seumas · · Score: 2

      Yeah, whatever. Mod me down. Mark my words, though, if some teacher cold-cocked you and yelled "NEWTON!" -- that is a lesson you'd remember for the rest of your life.

    11. Re:Get offline and do experiments by Wild_dog! · · Score: 2

      We made nitrocellulose rockets, tie dye lab coats, ethanol, rootbeer, and Hydrogen we blew up. All pretty cool. O chem was rad.
      Experiments don't have to be useless. There just need to be better more interesting experiments and ones which are practical as well.

    12. Re:Get offline and do experiments by ConaxConax · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. Well, turing had a computer design back in the 1800s. Maybe you should be using that to post on slashdot, and I'll start teaching with 19th century techniques.

      Alan Turing? He wasn't born until 1912. Do you think you're thinking of Charles Babbage instead?

    13. Re:Get offline and do experiments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turing was born in 1912 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing) but he did have a pretty workable design by the age of 3 so I guess your close.... ooooh wait did you mean Mr. Babbage?

    14. Re:Get offline and do experiments by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Our teacher would always have a "demo" if everyone was in their seats on time and quiet when the bell rang.

      Some of the 'epic' ones I still remember:
      Coiled a gas tube through a beaker. Filled the beaker with liquid nitrogen, so then we had liquid natural gas (not sure what they run to chem labs). He lit the beaker on fire and then dumped it on the floor. It was like watching a bead of water skitter across a hot skillet, except it was on fire.

      They also got 2 massive blocks of dry ice. Lit up magnesium and put it in the center. We then removed the dry ice and what was left was a solid chunk of carbon. Magnesium is so insistent on burning that it ripped the oxygen from the CO2 to sustain itself.

      One day we went out to the football stands and he had a rig setup that would drop a bowling ball straight down just as another one shot off the side. Used to show shit falls just as fast even if it's moving sideways.

    15. Re:Get offline and do experiments by nbauman · · Score: 1

      If you want an introduction to mechanics and astronomy, to the scientific method, and the experimental method, the 16th century, with 16th century techniques, is a pretty good place to start.

      Objects were falling too fast for Galileo to measure the speed, so he rolled them down an inclined plane to slow them down. Genius.

      And he did it all without even an 8086 chip.

    16. Re:Get offline and do experiments by backwardMechanic · · Score: 1

      1) This. Video is no substitute for real life.
      2) Nobody remembers how to measure anything these days. I spend a large part of my time explaining to PhD students (and the not so occasional postdoc) how to measure stuff, and why their measurements might not quite match their equations, and why they shouldn't always believe their (or my) results. And why some measurements are pointless, because the error is larger than the number they're looking for. We've gotta start teaching this stuff early.

    17. Re:Get offline and do experiments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They will be amazed at how different everyone's mesasurements are.

      Eh, no they won't. They'll first think their results are wrong, and do them all over again, and then they'll stop caring.

    18. Re:Get offline and do experiments by backwardMechanic · · Score: 1

      How about nobody is allowed to post on /. without first building their own computer? I'll be generous, you're allowed to simply strap a uC to a board, but you do have to write your own bootstrap routine. Bonus points for doing it properly and using discretes. Now, back to physics, it's about measuring it yourself, and understanding every step. Video camera + crazy software is going to take a long time to understand (care to explain motion artefacts captured by a video camera?). Start from Galileo, work up.

    19. Re:Get offline and do experiments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      this is a very hard idea to get across. Students always think of error as mistakes. I try to get across that mistakes are crappy experimentation, but error to some degree is unavoidable. so we much recognize that it exists, and try to quantify our certainty.

    20. Re:Get offline and do experiments by Auroch · · Score: 1

      What am I, a history teacher? *shrugs* Oh. Yes, I am. And your kids are getting the education you pay for.

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    21. Re:Get offline and do experiments by gregrah · · Score: 1

      I actually thought that was pretty funny, but alas, I have no more mod points.

    22. Re:Get offline and do experiments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have to agree.

      A friend, also a teacher, had some trouble engaging with his science class students, right up until he introduced a voluntary rocketry class with a 'must be up to date and attentive in class' clause which took place either at lunch time or after school. He was amazed at how it galvanized the kids into not only finishing the day's topics but also getting ahead so they could take a whole class off once a fortnight or so to give them more time to study and research the practical aspects of rocketry (mostly on the net).

      He added a couple of science type goals to the project. How do we make a rocket? How do we make it safely so I don't loose my job and you get to continue playing with errr working on rockets? (water-air propellants) How do we make it cheaply? (he used old coke bottles) How do we work out how fast and how high its going so we can improve on it? They (he and the kids) decided it might be best to strap a small camera to the rocket to help answer those but only if the kids could work out how to get the rocket safely back to earth again. etc.

      Rocketry is cool but I guess any subject would do, so long as it inspires the kids and holds their attention for a semester (and can be made safe enough to get the rest of the school staff to agree to let you do it). I wouldn't give them websites either. It'll be far more interesting for you and them to have everyone do their own research (including you) when you decide on the project. You could set up a forum where you all can post relevant findings and do some peer review of the content offline and/or in-class, etc. Incorporate your findings, and do some fun and interesting experiments. And at the end of the project, publish the results with some pictures, etc on the school website.

    23. Re:Get offline and do experiments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you are just going to demonstrations, then I see no reason why kids should not just be watching videos.

      Because watching some guy drop some stuff in some kind of glass something on the TV in the dark room is boring and stupid, and easy to sleep through.

      But when you drop some sodium in a beaker of water IN THE CLASSROOM it tends to... catch people's attention.
      Seriously.
      You know how every class, no matter how good, always has a couple "Rebels" that refuse to participate? Well there weren't any of those in my class when we built dry-ice bombs and set them off on the football field. Even the "I'm a Sullen Loner Rebel who Smokes Cigarettes and Runs With a Bad Crowd" kids were not only paying attention, but eager to get hands-one with the work.

      For instance on PHET you can make resistors catch fire. Why do they catch fire?

      If it's happening on a TV screen, nobody gives a shit. It caught fire because some boring dumb-ass guy did some boring-ass stupid shit.
      But when you get to set them on fire yourself... it's "Holy SHIT!!! We got to BURN SHIT in CLASS TODAY!!!" and they'll talk about it for weeks. This is what is called a Golden Opportunity to actually teach them what's going on.

    24. Re:Get offline and do experiments by tm2b · · Score: 1

      Pfah. Metallic sodium is too much of a pain to get. Nitrogen triiodide was what really kept my classmates' attention.

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      "It is our blasphemy which has made us great, and will sustain us, and which the gods secretly admire in us." - Zelazny
    25. Re:Get offline and do experiments by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

      Nitrogen triiodide was what really kept my classmates' attention.

      Cool if your high school chemistry teacher allowed you to synthesize NI3 or NI3(NH3) and then use it. Was he fired afterwards?
      NI3(NH3) is impressive for stability demos and maybe even a very cautious practical joke. We did not make it until university, where one of the chemistry lecturers was slightly mad - the labs had to be evacuated on several occasions because of the experiments he encouraged.

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      Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
    26. Re:Get offline and do experiments by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 2

      But when you get to set them on fire yourself... it's "Holy SHIT!!! We got to BURN SHIT in CLASS TODAY!!!" and they'll talk about it for weeks. This is what is called a Golden Opportunity to actually teach them what's going on.

      Exactly. And you don't have to do dramatic experiments/demonstrations every week. Just one spectacle per month will get your students interested in the subject and will earn you a reputation as the Teacher Who Does Good Shit.
      Our older daughter's physics teacher recently got them to play with the van der Graaf generator (I have similar fond memories from high school). She was one of the eager volunteers for some hair-raising experiments, including shooting sparks from her fingertips. She told us that almost half the class was either in wide-eyed shock or cowering in fear during the experiments, but all of them were talking about it excitedly afterwards, and looking forward to their next physics class.

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      Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
    27. Re:Get offline and do experiments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am developing a Web site to support high school students to use the latest NASA LOLA Lunar data to build 3D terrain maps of any place on the Moon colored with slope data. (See http://woodwaredesigns.com/sky/Malapert/Malapert.html )

      This is intended to be a challenging project but is written out at the "For Dummies" level. The site is specifically designed to do what you asked for here but needs work to insure there are no stumbling blocks.

      I am currently in Beta testing and need outside testers to move the idea forward. I will be happy to hear from anyone interested.

      Thanks, Tom Riley

    28. Re:Get offline and do experiments by tm2b · · Score: 1

      She was not fired. We were, however, an AP class.

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    29. Re:Get offline and do experiments by tm2b · · Score: 1

      Also, let me add - this was 25 years ago. Schools seem to be much more twitchy about such things these days.

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    30. Re:Get offline and do experiments by rpillala · · Score: 1

      Galileo already had a certain level of expertise relative to his time. 8th grade students may need to be able to slow things down or freeze or rewind them to see what's happening.

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      When the axe came to the forest, the trees said, "Look out - the handle was once one of us."
    31. Re:Get offline and do experiments by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

      Also, let me add - this was 25 years ago. Schools seem to be much more twitchy about such things these days.

      Yep. 35+ years since I was in high school. We played with all sorts of "dangerous" stuff in our poorly-equipped chemistry and physics labs. It included some organic synthesis and distillation as well as pyrotechics (the usual Mg, Na+water, etc.), and we also played a little with throwing around lightning, and spinning while holding heavy gyroscopes. Of these, the gyroscope sessions were probably the ones with the smallest safety margin.

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    32. Re:Get offline and do experiments by Sqweegee · · Score: 1

      "(assuming it's safe!)"

      The unsafe experiments, or at least the ones you can't trust to a 14 year old, are the best ones for a teacher to be demonstrating! Some of my most memorable chemistry and physics classes were the ones where the teacher needed to do the demonstrations because of safety concerns. Almost all involved burning or blowing things up: throwing sodium into a vat of water, electrolysis and then demonstrating which gas collected above which pole of the supply, burning various pure elements to show the basics of spectroscopy, a foam ball shooting potato gun can demonstrate a half dozen different things.

    33. Re:Get offline and do experiments by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      >Hmmm. Well, turing had a computer design back in the 1800s. Maybe you should be using that to post on slashdot, and I'll start teaching with 19th century techniques.

      I can't work out whether this is a pathetically unsuccessful troll, or just the work of a retard, but I think I'll plump for the latter.

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    34. Re:Get offline and do experiments by nbauman · · Score: 2

      An inclined plane is a pretty good way to slow things down. If you need to rewind it, put the ball on top of the inclined plane again.

      There's a major benefit of an actual ball and inclined plane over a video of it.

      You *know* the ball is going to follow the laws of physics, whatever they are.

      When you watch a simulation, you don't know whether the simulation is right or not. You're not learning from the real world any more, you're learning from models and calculations. You're like the anti-vivisectionist girl who wanted to dissect a computer model of a frog, rather than a real frog.

      BTW, one of the things I learned about science teaching is that young kids can't understand abstract ideas that well. They can understand things that they do hands-on, but when you send data into a computer and bring it out again, it's just a black box.

      Even younger high school kids don't understand the concept of molecules. You can teach them about hydrogen and oxygen, but they're just learning by rote.

      If you want to teach them about hydrogen, fill up a balloon and touch a match to it. Show me a video that can make an impression like that.

    35. Re:Get offline and do experiments by vrmlguy · · Score: 1

      In college, there were some Chem E. guys in my dorm, who'd make nitrogen triiodide for pranks. Paint it on a door frame and wait for someone to close the door. Paint it on the shoe soles of someone taking a nap. Paint it on a light bulb and wait for someone to turn on the light. That last one almost got them killed, someone had just opened a big care package of homemade cookies which then got covered in glass shards.

      There was a guy who worked in the physics department machine shop. He'd save long magnesium shavings from the lathe for various "experiments". Late one night we filled a balloon with hydrogen, tied a foot-long magnesium thread to it, lit it, and turned it loose. Then we turned on the police band scanner and listened to the UFO reports about bright lights floating in the sky, then disappearing in a flash and a bang.

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    36. Re:Get offline and do experiments by vrmlguy · · Score: 1

      How about nobody is allowed to post on /. without first building their own computer? I'll be generous, you're allowed to simply strap a uC to a board, but you do have to write your own bootstrap routine. Bonus points for doing it properly and using discretes. Now, back to physics, it's about measuring it yourself, and understanding every step. Video camera + crazy software is going to take a long time to understand (care to explain motion artefacts captured by a video camera?). Start from Galileo, work up.

      I've written several bootstrap loaders. Some were for minicomputers (and I've still got the paper tape somewhere), one was for 8086 5-1/2 floppies which would display ASCII animation if you rebooted your PC-XT with the floppy in the drive. (Hey, you kids, get off of my lawn!)

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    37. Re:Get offline and do experiments by butalearner · · Score: 1

      +1 Liquid nitrogen and dry ice experiments. It's always fun when your science teacher screws something up, too. Ours dipped an egg in liquid nitrogen and threw it at the wall, at which time we all discovered he didn't hold it in long enough. We proceeded to use the rest of the eggs to determine the length of time to freeze an egg solid in liquid nitrogen. The janitor must have been pissed.

      Also, it's kind of silly but another experiment I remember was the time our high school physics class had a power generation competition where we timed each other running up some flights of stairs. Perhaps I remember it because I won, being large and (back then) athletic, but it was also interesting to learn just how little energy we generated. And then we talked about muscle efficiency and calculated how many Calories we burned.

      You could easily make this more fun by using the Internet for unit conversions. Find the local price of a kilowatt-hour and calculate how much "money" your kids generated, or if you want to really depress them, have them find the energy content of gasoline and calculate how long their collective generated energy could run your car. Tie in some nutrition information and have them figure out how easily they could gain those Calories back by eating various foods, etc.

    38. Re:Get offline and do experiments by rpillala · · Score: 1

      Well I wasn't talking about watching a CGI simulation of whatever, but an actual film of something. That is, use video and tools to analyze something that you built. This makes it easier to start analyzing found video that you didn't take yourself. When video was made available of the big oil spill last year, we spent a little time in the Calc classes trying to think of ways to model it. That didn't pan out but I don't think it was wasted time.

      And I'm exactly like this girl you apparently know who believes that raising animals with the purpose of killing them is cruel.

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      When the axe came to the forest, the trees said, "Look out - the handle was once one of us."
  5. Youtube and Instructables by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I've been out of school for quite a while but have kindled an interest in physics. I find that more and more there are Youtube demonstrations and lectures that are worthwhile. Also labs and hands-on science work is invaluable so I'd check out instructables.com because this not only can provide unique science opportunities, it also helps people in gaining engineering skills. BTM

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  6. Diffusion Limited Aggregation by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 2

    Seriously, have them play with applets like this that show them how simple things can behave very differently from an initial guess would suggest. And motivate them with "further up ahead, people are doing awesome things!"

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    1. Re:Diffusion Limited Aggregation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alligator Eggs is a fun approach to the lambda calculus.

  7. distractions.. distraction everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i don't know about you, but the "online" world is full of distractions.. i wouldn't depend on it for focused learning

  8. http://www.khanacademy.org/ by musmax · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Re:http://www.khanacademy.org/ by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      An even simpler list google science simulations http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sicence+simulations&btnG=Search&meta= . There seem to be a whole swag of readily available free sites.

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  9. 3D Printing & modelling by vik · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Teach the kids about 3D printing (see http://reprap.org/ maybe even get one of the cheap printer kits or an UP! Printer if you have budget.

    These things let kids unleash a form of creativity and spatial learning that is hard to find anywhere else. No need to actually teach them how to design 3D objects - they'll be scrambling to figure it out for themselves! Keen students will print their own 3D printers. Less enthusiastic ones will download from http://thingiverse.com/ and create "Mash up" objects.

    Inevitably one of them will print a penis for shock value, but kids are like that.

    1. Re:3D Printing & modelling by Speare · · Score: 2

      Teach the kids about 3D printing

      Er, that is fairly well removed from the concept of science. Science is about, you know, the scientific method: observe, hypothesize, experiment, refine, repeat. The closest I can see this coming is material science, like finding the optimal wall thickness for a given force, but I'd say that's closer to applied engineering.

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    2. Re:3D Printing & modelling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Science is about testing hypotheses, engineering is about making stuff.

    3. Re:3D Printing & modelling by vik · · Score: 1

      Uh, you're kidding? I take it you're not familiar with these things. Kids develop a design and then refine it based on observations on how the design behaves in the real world. Be it a biological model, an aircraft, a piece of scientific or medical equipment, or whatever. Pretty much parallels the scientific method even if they're just building pinewood derby cars.

  10. Online curve and surface fitting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For online curve and surface fitting, try http://zunzun.com - the site has no ads, fees, or requests for donations.

  11. Not Wikipedia. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It may have text, but they need to learn to cite reliable sources for when they do serious research and for future education. Also the text they are reading will probably be deleted by an abusive admin.

    1. Re:Not Wikipedia. by cashman73 · · Score: 1

      I probably wouldn't recommend Wikipedia for too young an age group, because their attention span is too short and they need something more interactive. Eighth grade might be about the right time to introduce them to it, but getting them into editing articles is probably something to shoot for more at the 10-12th grade level. Sure, citing "reliable sources" is a pain in the butt when you're a student, but that and writing in general are very useful skills to develop in science. The higher up you go in your career, the more writing you will do, unless you just want to be a lab grunt your whole career,. . .

  12. 8th Grade? by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 0

    If I'm not mistaken (I'm not from the US, we have a different grade system) ... this kids are 13-14 years old.
    When I was that age, I was told I had to repeat the year because I had missed too many school days (I only attended like 20% of school days or so). I skipped classes that thought me only basic math and other things I already mastered, in order to have time to learn to code in C, read Dostoevsky, and work fixing computers and writing simple apps.

    If at that age you are not motivated on your own, then school is simply not for you. Teach them how to drive a truck, bag groceries, or whatever, and stop spending everyone's money on teaching monkeys about Shakespeare.

    By the time I was 23, I was a seasoned programmer, and was working as the youngest Senior Sysadmin I have know for a fairly big ISP. I didn't manage to do that thanks to school, obviously, and if I had stayed in school, it would have delayed me 10 years.

    We need to redesign school so that it allows the truly talented to learn what he wants to learn, and the rest to just stop suffering and land a good job at a young age. Forcing kids to stay in school only manages to steal years of valuable work experience for all of us, both skilled professionals and unskilled workers.

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    1. Re:8th Grade? by Kittenman · · Score: 1

      I skipped classes that thought me only basic math and other things I already mastered, in order to have time to learn to code in C, read Dostoevsky, and work fixing computers and writing simple apps.

      Thought? Taught, I suspect... not much spelling and attention to detail in Doestoevsky, then. You must have read it in the original Russian, comrade ...

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      "The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes" - Winston Churchill
    2. Re:8th Grade? by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      English is not my native language ... regardless, that wasn't my fault, it was the stupid spell-checker. I guess I need to start using the preview to actually spell check and re-read my posts.

      I believe that my English is good enough, considering I'm not a native speaker, and I do not live in an English-speaking country.

      How many languages do you speak, and is your second language absolutely flawless all the time?

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    3. Re:8th Grade? by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      Congrats on having a vocational, non-well-rounded education.

      --
      With the first link, the chain is forged.
  13. Make Magazines Project site by deadcrow · · Score: 0
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    I'm just "this guy", you know?
  14. Scratch ? by unmadindu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You may want to look at Scratch programming environment. While Scratch is a programming tool which lets kids make all sorts of stuff (animations, games, etc), there is a large number of kids who build science simulations with it. For example, you can look at this gallery of physics simulations and animations, all of which were created by kids. Most of the projects on the Scratch website have been created by kids and all projects are under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike, so kids in your class will be able to download the projects, examine how they have been built, and build their own projects upon existing work.
    There is also a website for educators who want to use Scratch - you can ask for ideas and suggestions in the forums in that website.

    [Disclaimer: I am a graduate student in the research group which develops Scratch]

    1. Re:Scratch ? by krswan · · Score: 1

      I'm not a grad student at the Media Lab, and I'll second everything the poster above said. I've been using Scratch with 5th grade students for physics and even some simple ecosystem simulations (all student created) for about 4 years now. The programming language is simple enough to get out of the kids' way and let them create what they want. Whatever you are teaching - if the kids truly understand it they can show you by creating a sim for it, and if they don't understand it they have to figure it out in the process.

    2. Re:Scratch ? by gwoptics · · Score: 1

      Scratch is definately a very good option at that age! I have used it with work experience students visiting our research group for a week. See, for example, the mirror simulations we have done in Scratch.

      For science related fun activities you can also use outreach games by large science projects, such as Space Time Quest in which the players are in charge of designing a graviational wave detector (disclaimer: I am one of the creators of Space Time Quest).

      Andreas

    3. Re:Scratch ? by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      Scratch was a big hit with 4th and 5th graders when I demoed it to them, they also had fun with it at home. I could see you setting up some scratch sensors and using them to capture measurements from a live experiment.
      Cassiopeia project also has some great videos, especially if you want to interest boys with raging hormones in science.

      --
      Nullius in verba
  15. math and science gizmos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check out http://www.explorelearning.com/ for math and science simulations (aka Gizmos) with corresponding lessons.

    1. Re:math and science gizmos by krswan · · Score: 1

      Gizmos are great, but pretty expensive... figure out when you are going to use them and start the 30 day trial right before you need it!

  16. Some resources ... by richg74 · · Score: 2
    Here are a few resources that might be useful:

    1. The Today in Science listing of birth and death dates of scientists, and notable events. (For example, today is the anniversary of the publication of Einstein's paper on General Relativity, Die Grundlagen der allgemeinen Relativitästheorie.

    2. Interactive science simulations from the University of Colorado, Boulder.

    3. Science news articles at PhysOrg.com, New Scientist, and Technology Review.

  17. Real, or educational? by vlm · · Score: 1

    AAVSO?

    http://www.aavso.org/

    American association of variable star observers?

    Kids could observe, but its probably a heck of a lot easier to use the lightcurve generator. Don't tell them about the different kinds of variable stars, let them discover it for themselves.

    --
    "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
  18. Online STEM curriculum at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Learning.com

  19. Topical subject: Earthquakes by kanweg · · Score: 2

    Computers can be used to detect earthquakes:
    http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/news/2008/03/quake_network

    You can get a free sensor from the Quake Catcher network (or use a laptop).
    http://qcn.ucr.edu/

    Another subject that might be interesting: Fossils.
    http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/dinosaurs/dinofossils/Fossilhow.html

    Bert

  20. My hypothesis by CtownNighrider · · Score: 1

    Maybe they like online stuff because they can sit with their screen away from you and play games? Coolest thing you can do online is definitely show them a cool experiment which will usually mean fire or an explosion. It's even cooler to do that stuff in person. The first day of chem class my teacher always takes a dollar bill, soaks it in a water and alcohol solution, and lights in on fire. She would also do a demonstration where she soaked the inside of one of those water cooler containers with the same solution and drop a match in it. That's the kind of stuff that gets kids excited about science.

  21. Physics Demos Online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is an on-line physics resource at http://www.ap.smu.ca/demos

    It explains various physics concepts and shows how teachers can teach them in class using real demos. There are also YouTube vids of each demo.

    Full disclosure: I run the site and with much student help, produce and film the videos.

  22. iTunes U by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take a look at the free materials from universities across the world on iTunes U. There are lectures and shorter segments that speak to a concept and show a topic. Here's a cool example of Roller coaster design from Open University: http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=380227672

  23. ACS - Science for Kids Hands-on Science Activities by WebSorcerer · · Score: 1

    The American Chemical Society has programs for kids. [ http://goo.gl/805di ]

  24. Books are better than the Web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The world wide web is addictive and interesting because it entertains and informs you without requiring any effort or significant attention given on your part. It is actually very hard to learn anything substantial from just casually browsing the web in an "enjoyable" fashion--the only way to truly learn is to focus and think, rather than just passively reading, but the web is not at all conducive to this. Teachers, then, have the ever-harder job of teaching their students to extract meaningful information out of the ever-larger sea of noise. Web-oriented teaching methods are not some sort of Holy Grail, but are actually far from it, and to fall back on them as a means of gaining students' attention is irresponsible.
    You can learn far better from a well-written book.

  25. VITAL Lab by LatitudesAttitudes · · Score: 1

    You may be interested in some of the games from the Virtual Immersive Technologies and Arts for Learning Lab (http://vital.cs.ohiou.edu/). Under software, you may find some games that would appeal to your class. I used to be involved in the VITAL Lab and found that the flash games worked best in classrooms. As far as I know, the program is no longer active (ran out of funding), but the resources are still available online for anyone to use.

  26. Instructables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd've suggested Instructables for some neat science related projects, and many others, but a lot of the recent stuff there has been too near the bone, and you'll have net filter issues. A shame, because it used to be good.

  27. Periodic Videos. by jmichaelg · · Score: 2

    You'll definitely want http://www.periodicvideos.com/ and their sister site, http://www.sixtysymbols.com/ . Both are first rate.

  28. Online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm in college, we generally take online classes because its pretty much a guaranteed A, you can use your book, google, friends, cheat by one doing the work and getting the answers for the others, etc. It was the same way back in high school as well.

    And if you want to keep their attention do what another guy said in here and do some cool experiments or subjects, involving things such as fire/explosions. I can tell you it is hard NOT to keep my interest when I was taking fire science classes. We were learning about BLEVE's, flashover, backdrafts, hazmat, etc. And what made them dangerous, how they worked, and all the science behind it. You'll be surprise with how much science you can pack into something such as one of those topics. We weren't able to do demonstrations for obvious reasons, but it didn't stop us from having a few examples thanks to youtube. And probably a few more than necessary for entertainment value to keep us interested.

  29. Remote Sensing for kids by phyr · · Score: 2

    Wathcing over our planet tutorial at the Canadian Centre for Remote Sensing http://www.ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca/resource/tutor/planet/index_e.php

    1. Re:Remote Sensing for kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post reminded me of this gem from Canada:

      http://www.wonderville.ca/

      This one is a favorite for my students:

      http://www.wonderville.ca/asset/phases-of-the-moon

  30. Periodic Table Table by Iskender · · Score: 2

    I'm not sure how directly applicable it is, but The Periodic Table Table at http://theodoregray.com/periodictable is a great science site.

    It takes something on the face of it boring (the chemical elements as a simple diagram) and makes it really interesting. If it's not good enough to show to students directly then it should contain plenty of ideas for how to make elements interesting.

    A couple of examples: get some tungsten and some magnesium of about equal volume and anyone will notice that one is much, much denser despite both being normal-looking metals. Get some indium and let the students bend thick metal rods with their bare hands.

    1. Re:Periodic Table Table by ResidentSourcerer · · Score: 1

      Irridum, thick bar. Hmm. $990/troy oz. Hmm.

      Density -- just under osmium at 22.56

      So, a 30 cm x 1 cm bar would have a volume of about 22 cm3, and a mass just over half a kilogram. At 31 grams per troy oz $16,000.

      Now other features:
      Young's modulus 528 GPa
      Shear Modulus 210
      Bulk modulus 320
      Brinnell Hardness 1670 MPa

      Compare to lead:
      YM 16 Gpa
      SM 5.6 GPa
      BM 46 GPa

      Brinell 38 Mpa

      Iron
      211
      82
      170

      490

      There is a reason that iron is alloyed. Pure iron is hard to work.
      This is a material that is several times as stiff.

      What gave you the idea that you could bend a 'thick' bar bare handed?

      --
      Third Career: Tree Farmer Second Career: Computer Geek First Career: Teacher, Outdoor Instructor, Photographer.
  31. Zooniverse, NASA by oneiros27 · · Score: 2

    You mentioned Galazy Zoo, but there's actually a larger effort called Zooniverse, which includes:

    • Old Weather : transcribing temperature information in British Naval Logs to add to the climate record
    • Solar Stormwatch : estimating the leading front of Coronal Mass Ejections

    ... and the other astronomy like stuff.

    Besides that, a number of science agencies have various educational resources. From NASA, for 5th to 8th grade:

    Other agencies have stuff too, but I don't know where it all is off the top of my head.

    --
    Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
  32. even in 9th grade still feeling misinformed/abused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    even more medication desired/required? using the current 'math', megasloth et al has ALL the money, relatively, we, have none. we do however get to owe an unrepayable debt+usury, for our legacy? stand by for 10th grade? parochialisms?

    so, we'll then expect to see you at any one of the million babys+
    play-dates, conscience arisings, georgia stone editing(s), & a host of
    other life promoting/loving events. guaranteed to activate all of our
    sense(s) at once. perhaps you have seen our list of pure intentions for
    you /us, beginning with disarmament?

  33. Physics Simulators by Jessified · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hey! I'm just going through a teacher's program right now, and I've been looking for resources to use with smartboard. First of all, if you don't have a smartboard go here:
    http://johnnylee.net/projects/wii/

    Then try out:
    Algodoo (costs about 25 euros): Great physics simulator. I would say it would be useful even for university students. You can, however, adjust the difficulty level. It's good for kinematics, some optics, buoyancy, some fluid dynamics and a few other things. I started off with making a piston pump system.
    http://www.algodoo.com/wiki/Home

    Crayon physics: Great for intuitively exploring some physics concepts. It costs about 20 bucks. It's similar to above but it's closer to a game. There are a series of challenges that you accomplish (try to move a ball to a star, overcoming a series of obstacles. Learn some physics concepts through osmosis.
    http://www.crayonphysics.com/

    Celestia: Great freeware for exploring our galaxy (and neighboring galaxies). It implements astronomy knowledge into a space simulator. It allows to you to visit out solar system and beyond. As humanity discovers more, you can update the planet (i.e. with new exoplanets). This one is super cool, a little like Eve Online but IRL. You can also install Star Trek universe updates if you are a trekkie, as well as Star Wars.
    http://www.shatters.net/celestia/

    Ok that's the coolest stuff. There are other things out there but they aren't as impressive. ScaleoftheUniverse is neat, but limited in classroom utility: http://www.scaleoftheuniverse.com/

    1. Re:Physics Simulators by syousef · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't forget these:

      http://www3.gettysburg.edu/~marschal/clea/CLEAhome.html - If you have smart 8th graders, they can do simulated astronomy and learn how we know some of the things we know

      Stellarium and Skycharts (Cartes du Ceil) are among the best sky simulation and mapping software and well worth a look along with Stellarium. Or try Kstars on Linux
      http://www.stellarium.org/
      http://www.ap-i.net/skychart/en/download (newer more comprehensive
      http://www.stargazing.net/astropc/oldversion/index.html - Version 2 (older, easier on the PC)

      NASA World Wind
      http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/java/

      Hubble for pretty pictures and the stories behind them
      http://hubblesite.org/

      If they don't mind math try a gravity simulator
      http://www.orbitsimulator.com/gravity/articles/what.html

      Various Roller Coaster Simulators

      Rasmol Molecule simulator
      http://rasmol.org/
      http://www.umass.edu/microbio/rasmol/

      Scorched Earth style artillery games may get their imagination fired (but be careful as political correctness may mean you're fired)

      Much more. No time to post right now though.
      http://www.umass.edu/microbio/rasmol/

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  34. bloodhound ssc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bloodhound Supersonic Car http://www.bloodhoundssc.com/education.cfm development includes educational materials. Plenty of real world problems to be solved.

       

  35. Don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While there's the risk that limiting yourself to the things you know could leave you with too little to work with, the much more likely scenario is that you're trying to teach the kids something that you don't know yourself, and that is most definitely not going to work. If you have to ask what to show them online, then you're clearly not familiar enough with the environment to be a good teacher in it. In the very limited time that you have the students' eyes and ears, show them in depth what you know. If you do that well, you won't need gimmicks. You do know why they need to know what you're supposed to teach them, right? Then why do you need more motivations that aren't apparent to you? There's nothing sadder and more ineffective than a teacher who teaches what he perceives to be useless.

    (I'm not saying that the internet isn't a wonderful toolbox full of amazing science, just that you can't teach what you don't know.)

  36. Re:Danger Will Robinson.... by IdolizingStewie · · Score: 1

    Why on Earth does the submitter's gender matter?

  37. Real life better than video by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    If you are just going to demonstrations, then I see no reason why kids should not just be watching videos.

    There is a huge difference between seeing something live and watching a recording. We are all used to seeing amazing and impossible things on video for entertainment. Doing something real in front of a lecture has a far bigger impact. Plus students get the chance to ask "but what if you did X instead of Y" and see the results (assuming it is safe!).

  38. Lots of free online math and science activities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ITSI-SU It's a non-profit group paid for out of H1B visa funds.

    1. Re:Lots of free online math and science activities by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 2
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  39. Measurement Tools by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    Various mechanical and electronic measuring tools abound for use with the PC and for manual use.

    They need to learn how to use such tools no matter what sub-discipline they enter. Even if they never use such tools much, they must know they exist and how they work, because they will then know people can do work with those tools on such projects.

    Tools to measure and compare distance, time, velocity, weight, PH, temperature, frequency, polarization of light, etc. are all absolutely needed to understand science. The kids love to get there hands on these tools because these are REAL.

  40. Diffusion Cloud Chamber by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    Here is a video that my daughter put together on how to make a diffusion cloud chamber. It takes about 10 minutes to make and you need a keyboard air duster. With it you can see the tracks left by background and cosmic radiation. It is a pretty cool way to visually introduce particle physics.

  41. Bad Premise by dcollins · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "I.. have noticed that students are very motivated by anything online."

    I call bullshit. You're noticing students motivated by non-school things, that happen to be online. Put school online and they will be equally disinterested as before. (Although you get to be that teacher going "Look! I'm hip! I get online! I'm so cool!").

    Or, show me an experiment that an online program has better interest-level and/or student outcomes (from the same population of student).

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    We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
    1. Re:Bad Premise by spopepro · · Score: 1

      I don't disagree with you for the most part--but maybe you are pushing an extreme for the sake of argument? Mayer (UCSB) has some very, very good research showing how multimedia lessons, when well structured, can significantly enhance understanding and transfer. Yes, it's true that you won't have many resources for "gold standard" double-blind, same population proof for online education, but being in education, you must certainly know that no such study is even possible. Education research just can't happen that way.

      Also, remember, OP is student teaching. Be gentle, there's plenty of time later to get beat up and depressed over ideas that don't quite work.

    2. Re:Bad Premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So correct. From my experiences in the classroom, they care little for knowledge. They are however totally willing to be engaged in anything they they want to do. It is funny how people claim these little idiots of today cannot learn like we did. The problem is, we have let them slide by being sorry wastes of humanity. You want to teach your students, then hold them accountable. Actually teach them, and make them learn. Stop catering to their hedonistic wants.

    3. Re:Bad Premise by wjh31 · · Score: 1

      Or, show me an experiment that an online program has better interest-level and/or student outcomes (from the same population of student).

      Like the hole in the wall experiments?:
      http://solesandsomes.wikispaces.com/
      http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_shows_how_kids_teach_themselves.html
      http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/12/05/1542231/Using-the-Web-To-Turn-Kids-Into-Autodidacts

    4. Re:Bad Premise by dcollins · · Score: 1

      I don't see any experiment, nor demonstrated better outcomes in any of those links. Citation needed (meaning: short quote, link/book, page number).

      What I do see is this: "On their own, children can get about 30% of the knowledge required to pass exams." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704584804575645070639938954.html

      --
      We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
    5. Re:Bad Premise by dcollins · · Score: 1

      "Yes, it's true that you won't have many resources for "gold standard" double-blind, same population proof for online education, but being in education, you must certainly know that no such study is even possible. Education research just can't happen that way."

      As a statistician who teaches experimental design, I totally don't agree with that. Citation needed (short quote, link/book, page number).

      --
      We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
    6. Re:Bad Premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were doing a standardized test demo online, and the normally very rowdy class was silent. That's about as school related as it gets.

  42. try Bugscope by scottj31 · · Score: 1

    you are welcome to try Bugscope, whose 12th anniversary was yesterday http://bugscope.beckman.illinois.edu/

  43. Cornell University citizen science by chandar · · Score: 1

    Cornell University hosts a great biology focused site (ecology and behavior mostly). http://www.birds.cornell.edu/citsci/ One of my favorites is NestCam, but eBird and Great Backyard Bird Count are also great.

    1. Re:Cornell University citizen science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree and was going to suggest the same. I love the cornell institute's heavy emphasis on citizen science and getting people involved. It's amazing what you see when you just pay attention. As of today I've seen 33 species of birds in my front yard in the last year! :)

  44. students are very motivated by anything online? by sir_eccles · · Score: 1

    Such as Facebook, twitter, farmville...

  45. Free Technology for Teachers by ACorrosionOfDeviants · · Score: 1

    One of the best teaching resources, IMHO, is Richard Byrne's Free Technology for Teachers.

    http://www.freetech4teachers.com/

    Highly recommended.

  46. Science Olympiad and Fringe (TV show) by chalker · · Score: 1

    Take a look at the Science of Fringe: http://soinc.org/fringe : "Check this page each week starting September 23 for free downloadable Lesson Plans that mix "Fringe" science with elements of Science Olympiad Division C events like Disease Detectives, Forensics, Sounds of Music, Chem Lab, and Dynamic Planet. Teachers and students in Grades 9-12 can use the plans in the classroom as special projects, tied into curriculum or as Friday brain teasers. Every plan will include learning objectives, online resources, a hands-on activity, discussion suggestions, extensions, episode scenes of relevance, and National Science Standards Alignment. "

  47. Re:NASA good, hard to navigate by spopepro · · Score: 1

    NASA has the best resources, but it can be tough to find them. My favorite, and most applicable for physical science (8th grade in most states), is the solar system simulator from JPL: Eyes on the Solar System But do search the link in parent, and be persistent as NASA's site sucks.

  48. Start with something out of the ordinary and build by severoon · · Score: 1

    The best way to get kids attention is to start with something that defines intuition, and really focus the discussion on that to begin. Example: we all know that when you cool a substance, it goes from gas to liquid to solid. When you heat it up, it goes from solid to liquid to gas. Look at the noble egg—goes in the pan as a liquid, and as it heats.........wait, ok, well that's a bad example. We all know that when you something turns into a solid, it gets denser, and we know that dense things sink in less dense things, just like ice....wait, another bad example, darnit. On the ice one, some kids will get hooked just because it behaves opposite, other kids will find the consequences of this fact more interesting (that life could not have formed if lakes froze bottom-up, etc).

    Each time you want to explain some new principle, the way to set it up is when this new principle is juxtaposed against some other principle the kids already know, but wins out because it's more significant. This is how many discoveries are made in science and why scientists consider the problems intriguing, why should kids be any different? Trying to explain these anomalies is where the aether theory and relativity came from, the photoelectric effect, discovery of the 4 forces (gravity pulls a feather and a hammer the same, how electricty & magnetism are manifestations of the same force, discovery of the weak and strong forces too), superfluidity, the transistor, etc. I believe it's also a good idea to introduce kids to these advanced topics early on, without delving too much at least explain the motivation behind them by telling them the problems they can answer.

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  49. Discuss latest papers and blog entries by scenox · · Score: 1

    Go to sites like nature.com/news , let the students read the latest and most interesting papers or blog entries and discuss them afterwards!

    1. Re:Discuss latest papers and blog entries by vlm · · Score: 1

      Go to sites like nature.com/news , let the students read the latest and most interesting papers or blog entries and discuss them afterwards!

      http://arxiv.org/

      can result in good comedy value.

      Seriously though you have to decide if you're trying to make them learn, in which case tossing them in the deep end at arxiv is appropriate, or just filling time and trying to be cool, in which case its youtube video time.

      --
      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
  50. Wish I had mod points... by JordanH · · Score: 1

    I'd use them to assign off-topic to all the posts concerning teacher pay, benefits, workload and state budgets.

    Come on people. This teacher is just trying to do a good job and we have to turn into an on-line teaparty or NEA advocacy forum?

  51. becoz of 'openness' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the internet open up their eyes
    and open up their skies

    just need some guidance.....try not to make bomb while learning chemistry....

  52. Statistics and science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Consciousness_Project

  53. Really fun starting points by sootman · · Score: 1

    These two sites talk about science errors in movies and TV shows. It's a great way to start a discussion because you're leading in with something fun and familiar, and possibly even something that they've seen and thought "oh no WAY could that work."

    http://www.intuitor.com/moviephysics/

    http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/movies/

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    1. Re:Really fun starting points by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Sadly, it's been too long since Phil's done a good Bad review. Shame, because there's been a lot of good ones these past few years, like a recent trailer talking about how we only use 20% of our brain. The old cliche used to be 10%, so maybe progress is being made. :-P Eh, maybe I'll take up the gauntlet. I have some web real estate somewhere, I think.

  54. Making science engaging... by Lord_of_the_nerf · · Score: 1

    Just rename it 'Defence Against The Dark Arts'.

    1. Re:Making science engaging... by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      You win the thread even if you were joking.

      Because science and math and engineering really are the tools we have to fight Sagan's demon haunted world of ignorance.

  55. Yenka by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Though probably mentioned elsewhere in the comments and though not web based:
    Yenka, for electronics and engineering simulations...

  56. Show video game content by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    "That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest-son-of-a-bitch in space! I dare to assume you ignorant jackasses know that space is empty. Once you fire this hunk of metal, it keeps going until it hits something! That can be a ship, or the planet behind that ship. It might go off into deep space and hit somebody else in ten thousand years! If you pull the trigger on this you are ruining someone's day, somewhere and sometime!" -- Alliance Sergeant in Mass Effect 2

    1. Re:Show video game content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No credit for partial answers maggot!

  57. Wow, you came here for advice? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

    Three comments in, and it's a knife fight about the school system between the "Burn The Schools" crowd and the "Teachers and schools are noble places of unicorns and rainbows and they just need another fifty million billion zillion dollars" contingent.

    My advice: Eff the Intertoobs. Take them out to see science and engineering in action. Go to a factory. Go someplace something gets built. Take them to some hub of commerce. Take to a stock exchange or a bank. Teach them that the numbers matter, that they have purpose and meaning. Show them the real world works, and not the filthy 1-dimensional world views you get in places like this. Field trips, my boy, field trips.

    1. Re:Wow, you came here for advice? by JockTroll · · Score: 1

      it's a knife fight about the school system

      Yes. It's a real knife fight, so check your six. We'll use chalk, a blackboard, and maybe a textbook or two. One more thing: it's OK to be scared.

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    2. Re:Wow, you came here for advice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The paperwork that it takes to deal with such trips is really hard. You got parents who will bitch about the dangers of bringing their kids to such dangerous places - you've got other teachers who will complain that the trip cuts into their class time - you have to get forms signed to allow them to go, as well as why you're committing so many resources to such a trip and get it approved...

      I don't know what magical school you worked in, but I can't so much as bring my kids down the hall to the library without the higher ups complaining.

    3. Re:Wow, you came here for advice? by ResidentSourcerer · · Score: 1

      Field trips with grade 8's. Right.

      The boys will be making eyes at the girls, telling dirty jokes and sniggering. The girls will be playing coy, and will talk about fashion, make-up, and the latest rock star hunk. Time on task will be minimal.

      Until they have some understanding, the complexity of a real example will be lost on them.

      Until they are numerate, they will not understand numbers thrown at them by a guide.

      Field trips also require a huge amount of organizing -- to run a trip you have to:
      * Get signed permission from every set of parents.
      * Get enough parents to volunteer to help herd the beasts. (About 1 parent per 5 kids.)
      * Get budget approval for the trip.
      * Get transportation for the trip. If you use parent's cars, you have a separate permission slip from each parent whose kid will be in another parent's car. If you use school busses, you have to schedule that too.
      * Get permission from all the other teachers who will miss class time due to your field trip.
      * Depending on your school, you may have to surrender time later to make up for the time you took from other teachers.

      Field trips have their place, but they are not a general answer, and generally work best to re-enforce previously learned material.

      Experiments are important. Manitoba used to have a course that was 80% lab oriented. One series of experiments:

      1. Measure a bunch of rectangular solids with different rulers. (Some had no mm markers.) Measure enough objects that you got blase about them and couldn't remember which ones you'd seen before. This teaches record keeping, and measurement error.

      2. Weigh each object. Compare results.

      3. Calculate the density of each object.

      4. Repeat this experiment using other than rectangular shapes. This required learning and using some new volume formulas.

      5. Classify the sets of objects. Come up with many ways to classify them. Shape, material, use.

      6. Introduce materials such as beads, steel shot, lead shot, sand, pea gravel. What does density mean for these materials? How do you measure? Introduce the idea of displacement as a way to measure volume.

      This was a great course. Lots of hands on. But the above took a month. They dropped the course because it didn't teach enough science -- that is, the kids didn't memorize enough science derived information. I would argue that it was the best science course most kids would ever take.

      This was an easy course to fund: You needed rulers, a couple boxes full of stuff, graduated cylinders, scales, All the stuff for a class of 30 would fit on a cart.

      Compare to high school physics. Most of the apparatus costs af ew hundred to 2000 bucks per set up. Most of it can be used for only 1-2 experiments.

      I know of a biology grad student who was hired to replace a gal on maternity leave. He was given the class of dunderheads, and told, "Keep them busy. If they learn any science, great."

      All these guys were in shop. First day he walks in gives each kid a mouse trap. "Make a live trap to catch mice"

      Soon they had a collection of different traps tha would life trap mice. They went out into the local field (200 feet away. No busses, no permissions.) set the traps.

      Next day they had mice. "What do we do with them?" He showed them how to weigh them, measure them, determine their age. And let them go. Reset the traps.

      "How do we know if we have caught these before?" So he showed them how to band them, and this lead to keeping good lab books.

      They didn't just catch mice. Voles, shrews, the occasional ground squirrel, even a toad. Each was used to compare.

      They used different baits, and kept track of what worked better. Most of the kids had 10-12 traps out in the field, and were checking them after school every day.

      All fall they collected information about mice. Microscopes came out to analyze mouse crap to see what they were eating. Mice were discected to teach anatomy.

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    4. Re:Wow, you came here for advice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is THE key. Where I live, you are likely not more than 10 minutes' away from a facility that is doing something cutting edge in SOMETHING. Even if only 20% are remotely translatable in interest to a middle school or high school student, there are huge opportunities in most communities. The problem is the worry warts have taken a lot of the common areas off the table because of tear-or-ism fears. Example: Water treatment plants. Wanna tour? You'll get put on a suspicious activity report (this happened in Denver). Want to see air traffic controllers in action? Good luck- you'll have to pass a criminal background check first (this happened in Longmont, CO., and for all I know, it generated another suspicious activity report). Or try a comprehensive classroom water quality test (liability from lawsuits by a certain large feedlot prevented a classroom experiment in Greeley, CO). These are all things that happened on a regular basis when I was in elementary or middle school, and they generated enormous and enduring interest in myself and classmates. Now we simply cordon off the reality beyond the four walls of the suburban home to any curiosity whatsoever.

    5. Re:Wow, you came here for advice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure if you made it up, but I believe you even if you did.

    6. Re:Wow, you came here for advice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good one
      almost by def, a kid that is more interested in online games, rather then doing stuff, ain't gonna be a scientist anyway (of course, kids hacking the on line stuff is great - again, almost by def, any kid who breaks the online expt is a good candidate for STEM education)

  58. Re:Start with something out of the ordinary and bu by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    Look at the noble egg

    No, not noble eggs. They don't combine with anything so you can't make a good omelet. :-D

    There: use humor! Science humor!

    Well, OK, maybe not. :-(

  59. Re:Danger Will Robinson.... by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    I know you are young and idealistic (and hopefully, a woman), but teaching is a political game, fraught with danger, low pay, and endless politics.

    And, I guess, sexism.

  60. Simulation games by monk.wal · · Score: 1

    Games like lunar launder are simple, and illustrate some important principals
    An example implementation is here http://lander.dunnbypaul.net/

  61. on-line Education links by vastime · · Score: 1

    Some resources in the 'Starter' section of this page: http://www.gigaflop.demon.co.uk/links/education.htm

  62. Physics Van! by ophecleide · · Score: 1

    The University of Illinois Department of Physics has a good site for their outreach program, the Physics Van: http://van.physics.illinois.edu/ It's good if kids want to ask questions of professors and students in the department, or read previous answers to questions. It's also good if you or the students want to learn about demonstrations, some of which can be done at home.

    Currently, I pay the bills as a graduate student by going to elementary schools to do physics demonstrations on behalf of my department (not at U of I). I don't know where you teach, but there is probably an outreach group nearby (at a University, National Lab, or even a corporation that employs research scientists) that can come to your school. I realize you weren't asking about live demonstrations, and I certainly think you're doing the right thing looking for good, engaging online activities, but I still think this bears mentioning.

    Another thought is that because clear and accurate representation of results is so important in science, you might consider doing an activity that involves a computer visualization of some kind of measurement taken by the students. You could even have them publish it on the web. It wouldn't need to be anything super-fancy, just something to encourage creativity and careful thinking about what the results mean and what's important about them.

    Good Luck!

  63. Nitrogen triiodide by tm2b · · Score: 1

    Get them to find the most interesting things you can do with ammonia and iodine.

    You should know the rest.

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  64. Epo's Chronicles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, nows as good a time as any to plug the Astronomy Based Webcomic I write for NASA Education/Public Outreach:
    http://epo.sonoma.edu/EposChronicles/

    Its targeted at middle school students

  65. Robert Krampf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would recommend Robert Krampf's website, which has lots of "Experiment of the Week" videos.

    He also has the videos categorized based on the state science standards for a few states (Florida, California, Texas, Georgia). Even if you're not teaching in one of these states, you might find the categorization helpful for finding videos that are relevant to your curriculum.

    http://thehappyscientist.com/category/state-science-standards

  66. NetLogo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    try out NetLogo (http://ccl.northwestern.edu/netlogo/) - an agent based modeling language and ide. it's free and well developed. there are lots of science related models across many of the sciences (see http://ccl.northwestern.edu/netlogo/models/ for a list of models). it can be run online or downloaded and run as a stand-alone application. there is the added benefit of offering the kids the opportunity to learn a fun programming language if they so desire.

    disclaimer: i used to work there about 5 years ago.

  67. Experiments vs Technology by Atraxen · · Score: 1

    I've taught a course called Technology in Science Education, and my premise was that technology for the sake of technology is the wrong way to go - a sentiment I hear echoed here pretty frequently. HOWEVER, there's a reason we use technology - it gives us abilities that we don't commonly have. And this addresses that other common critique when someone wants a technology for education - it's not just a "Cool, see how this is on a computer now?" thing, or a replacement for hands-on experimentation, but rather a way to leverage more mileage vs a 1950's-style experiment. This is the way technology is used in scientific research, and a great way of thinking to instill in the kids at an early age.) I don't say, "This light bulb works great, but lets use a LASER INSTEAD! Muhahaha!" Ok, maybe I do, but that's jut me...) So, I came up with three major categories of technology that are likely to be useful in SciEd. (Not the only three, probably, and not every time - but if a tech fits in one of these bins it's worth a second look.)

    1. 'Superpowers' - a technology gives us the ability to see something we couldn't otherwise see - slowing down the trajectory of a ball to measure it's x-y position in lots of time steps; using a spectrometer to separate colors (or focus on a small slice of wavelength) and find concentrations; authentic planetary models, with the ability to change the pace of time (and obviously the scale). Basically (and whimsically) think of any superhero/villain, and ask what science they could have done. Then find a technology that gives you that ability.
    2. Data aggregation and representation - when the basic data (numeric or otherwise) are pulled together in one place that allows interaction, subtle connections can pop out (especially with good classroom scaffolding). My immediate go-to examples are a touch outside of science, but are at least illustrative. Simulate 1000 spins of a roulette wheel in Excel (or your favorite programming language or open source package... gotta CYA this statement since this is Slashdot...), connect it to the Martingale strategy, and show that statistics owns the day with gambling.
    3. Administrative tools - self-explanatory, these help with administration of the class. Often scoffed at by people who have never taught, and aren't trying to tease out the nuance of 'what went wrong' on that exam, or when it only 'looks' like that got it. Things like choice-analysis from a multiple choice quiz for spotting persistent misconceptions, only-the-fly 'clicker' quizzes, etc.

    My one strong caveat (I did say it was worth a SECOND look - which happens here) - once you identify a technology that might be of interest, the question should always be, "Is this worth it (time, money, pedagogy, etc.), and can I do the same thing low-tech?" This is where you cut out the "It's just like real life, but ONLINE!" instinct that sometimes pops up.

    Even if the same thing could be done low-tech, it may still be worth adapting into high-tech - but make sure your reasons are good. Perhaps your school has a tiny science budget and the experiment would otherwise go unperformed, or if you want a quick aside or demo and can't spare the time in the lesson for the physical setup of the demo. In these cases, tech may still be the answer.

    My two cents anyway!

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    1. Re:Experiments vs Technology by vrmlguy · · Score: 1

      My one strong caveat (I did say it was worth a SECOND look - which happens here) - once you identify a technology that might be of interest, the question should always be, "Is this worth it (time, money, pedagogy, etc.), and can I do the same thing low-tech?" This is where you cut out the "It's just like real life, but ONLINE!" instinct that sometimes pops up.

      Even if the same thing could be done low-tech, it may still be worth adapting into high-tech - but make sure your reasons are good. [...]

      That reminds me of http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.01/amish.html:

      Amish settlements have become a cliché for refusing technology. Tens of thousands of people wear identical, plain, homemade clothing, cultivate their rich fields with horse-drawn machinery, and live in houses lacking that basic modern spirit called electricity. But the Amish do use such 20th-century consumer technologies as disposable diapers, in-line skates, and gas barbecue grills. Some might call this combination paradoxical, even contradictory. But it could also be called sophisticated, because the Amish have an elaborate system by which they evaluate the tools they use; their tentative, at times reluctant use of technology is more complex than a simple rejection or a whole-hearted embrace. What if modern Americans could possibly agree upon criteria for acceptance, as the Amish have? Might we find better ways to wield technological power, other than simply unleashing it and seeing what happens? What can we learn from a culture that habitually negotiates the rules for new tools?

      That's an article I revisit from time to time, to remind me to cut out the "It's just like real life, but ONLINE!" instinct.

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  68. Bad Science Teacher = Bad Science Education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Teacher Observation: Kids waste a lot of time on the internet.
    Teacher Conclusion: Kids like everything on the internet.

    I think pondering what is wrong with the above will help a lot more than a list of science websites.

    1. Re:Bad Science Teacher = Bad Science Education by Peterus7 · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying kids like everything on the internet. They don't. In fact, they don't do much with 99.9% of the internet, because they have zero exposure to it. They don't know how to do research on scientific things online, they don't know about the opportunities to help with ongoing research, and they don't have any real sense of internet literacy outside of youtube and facebook. My goal with this post was to get a good sense of what was out there that could help bring science to them in multiple ways- A textbook based lecture with a cool science simulation I found online is likely far more effective than a textbook lecture alone.

  69. STEM cyberlearning tools conference - CyTSE by selfsimilar · · Score: 1

    http://www.cyberlearningstem.org/ is the website for a recent conference on STEM cyberlearning tools (CyTSE). A lot of really great presenters from academia and industry came together to show their latest and greatest efforts. You can find a lot of good links on the site back to the original projects at http://live.cyberlearningstem.org/

  70. Math, Physics, and Engineering Applets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here is a site full of applets demonstrating various topics in math, physics, and engineering:

    http://www.falstad.com/mathphysics.html

    Some of it might be a little beyond the background of most 8th grade students, but they are all very visual and do not require understanding of the topic to play around with, so I imagine it could really spark some curiosity in some of the students (it would have for me, at that age). On the downside, it's java-heavy, so some browser configurations might not allow these to run.

    There are also a ton of links at the bottom to other math and physics related sites that are supposed to be helpful for teaching, too.

  71. Shodor Materials are wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The on-line math and science materials from Shodor (www.shodor.org) are wonderful. Interactivate and the MASTER tools are used by many students and teachers to explore the world from a dynamic, interactive perspective. The materials are free and run on any computer that runs JAVA in the browser, and some run in "java webstart mode."

    I would also recommend the materials from a Nobel Prize winner, Carl Weiman, at phet.colorado.edu.

    Good luck!

  72. Hilarious old physics videos by jigamo · · Score: 1

    Have the check out Julius Sumner Miller.

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  73. distributed work by robwallen · · Score: 1

    have your students look into distributed computing, and pick a project, then run work units and compete against each other, or join each class as a team and have thoes teams compete. BOINC comes to mind. I would get them to learn a little about distributed computation, pick some task that would take one student a day to complete, then have them break it down into N-1 student chunks of work, and have the last student act as the co-ordinator, moving data back and forth and compiling the complete and final answer. https://computing.llnl.gov/tutorials/parallel_comp/ LLNL has a nice introduction. you could also show how different living organisms like bees and ants work together. An example of a large project that would take one student a long time would be to build a model of the International Space Station. Building each single peice wouldn't take a student that long, and then they can put all the peices together in class, and now you have some more artwork to hang in the class room too.

  74. Online Tools - Shodor's Interactivate by fatmar · · Score: 1

    A great place to visit is www.shodor.org/interactivate for online tools that are keyed to the states' standards. These exercises contain information for the instructors and the students. Interactivate has been awarded many awards for their quality. We even use them at the university level.

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  75. Encyclopedia of Life by Chuckles08 · · Score: 1

    The Learning and Education group for EOL is working on a set of tools and applications designed to make EOL more accessible and useful for education audiences. EOL itself is an amazing (and growing) international effort to bring together biodiversity information from around the world on one website, with a webpage for every described species on Earth. EOL is open and free with all content licensed under the Creative Commons. Check out http://educaiton.eol.org/ for more info on how students and teachers can use EOL... There is a "build your own fieldguide" tool that is just about ready for public release. Some sample guides are currently available to show you the idea.

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  76. So many years of ICT, so few resources. by UBfusion · · Score: 1

    After 175 comments and relatively very few online pointers (given the 20+ years of the use of ICT in Education), my guess is that the OP is somehow disappointed. Lemme provide some comforting thoughts:

    1. There are literally thousands of online resource indexes related to the OP's question. There's not lack of online information and resources, but a painful and blinding abundance of it. Hence, the problem is how to distill all these resources into something useful (especially for a novice like a student teacher).

    2. There is a lot of material online, but very few well-documented and research-based instructional and learning models pertaining to the use of computers in education. In the age of computers, smartphones and tablets, there's much more available information about what to learn with them and how to use them, but very few pointers to why an experiment should be done on computers instead in the real world.

    3. The theories of learning and perception are shifting themselves, because the new generations grow up with computers and use them as a new, independent sensory input for an emerging new IT-related human sense. Just watch some of the videos featuring the use of XO laptops in third-world countries (or even toddlers' use of computers on youtube) and you'll realize that these kids do develop an additional sense, a kind of a "third eye". I don't think educational theory will ever catch with that evolutionary trend.

    4. "Science" is a blanket term that tends to encompass a wild variety of subject matters. Unfortunately, there are no recipes in teaching "science". You cannot blindly transfer the same teaching/learning models and strategies from e.g. classical mechanics to optics and then to cell biology. This is one of the reasons teaching is and IMHO will remain partly a science, partly a craft and partly an art.

    Therefore, dear OP, a list of "online resources" won't help much. Double-blinded studies will not teach us much. We need first to understand the emerging child-computer ecology (which is tantamount to approaching an alien language) and then slowly, step by step, largely by trial and error, devise new strategies able to exploit the ever-developing man-machine interaction into the 21st century. However, the technologies themselves change too fast for a carefully planned research. Therefore, the utilitarian argument will always prevail: we must use computers in schools, although we don't really understand why, because the world the kids will grow up into depends on them and because they'll probably be required as a professional background skill. Many Computer Science Departments already got the message and have turned their curricula into apps user training (Office, Autocad, Matlab etc).

    To sum up, the first question to be addressed is "what do you want your children to learn and why". When you've figured that out, there are hundreds of options regarding "how" and "what means, including software". Will it work? To my knowledge, there are no guarantees.

  77. Project with the iDAPT Lab by Don+Philip · · Score: 1
    I have a project in hand in which my science education students are creating lesson materials based on the work of the iDAPT lab in Toronto, Canada , a unique research facility that studies how adults with disabilities interact with their environment and other health care issues.

    If you are interested, we could set up an online discourse environment for your class to work on the materials and interact with myself and my students about this work. We've designed the materials so that they align with the Ontario curriculum, which is very similar to most U.S. curricula, and each component includes a design challenge based on real-world problems for the children to work on.

    My name is Dr. Donald N. Philip, and I can be reached at don.philip@utoronto.ca

  78. I know this is late but try these... by heybiff · · Score: 0

    ... this site is aligned to the state standards for PA. Some of this may work for you, and I know there are others simulations on the site. Learning Science.org I use it at least once a week for 7th and 8th grade science. I'd love to trade ideas if you feel up to it. I struggle with the same thing. Leave a msg. Heybiff.

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  79. Science projects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just started to put a new website for home science projects online about a week ago. I'm still trying to learn Drupal, but I'm making progress.
    I put up a "wish list" on the site just now, and I'm accepting ideas for projects other than the ones I had in mind. If it's science related, and won't get DHS all worked up I'll consider it. The first simple project I'm working on is a tutorial on electronic breadboards since I'll be using one a lot for other projects.
    www.propellerscience.com
    Go to Wish List from the left nav menu.
    THX
    -Andy

  80. Interactivate by VolciMaster · · Score: 1

    I used to work for an organization whose entire goal is to bring math and science into the classroom via computational means. Check out several of their projects:

    Interactivate
    CSERD
    Petascale
    MASTER

  81. www.Sophia.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sophia is a free social teaching and learning application that is like a mash up of the connectivity of Facebook, the video value of YouTube, and core academic content taught by real teachers, tutors and experts in an engaging format

  82. Electronics + robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you happen to be teaching electronics, I absolutely love http://www.falstad.com/circuit/e-index.html, they have very excellent interactive simulations of every circut component (and many simple circuits) that you can think of.

    Also in the vein of electronics, it might be cool to have kids to a takedown of some electronics device and identify the components they find inside. There are a lot of good guides online for taking down and identifying parts in devices. You could probably go to best buy/cell phone store/etc and get a ton of non-functional old devices which would be perfect for disassembly. You could even have kids pull a couple parts out and test them to see if they identified them correctly. You could get them googling part numbers on ICs to identify them - think about taking apart a phone, have kids take it apart and attempt to identify the radio or the CPU, or figure out where the power comes in. Maybe this is a little to specific for 8th grade, but I always loved looking around inside devices, it's a good lesson in how things are made.

    Also, if you can take field trips, I think a field trip to a factory would be awesome.
    My suggestions:

    Car factory where they make bodies - nothing is cooler than watching welding robots in action, if you can get someone from the factory to explain how the robots are programmed, etc, all the better. There's also a lot of very interesting precision measurement going on in a body plant, and I suspect learning about accurate scientific measurement is a pertinent topic for kids that age. Might be hard to get a group of kids in there, but it would be extremely cool.

    Semiconductor factory: Probably even harder to get into than car factory, but appropriately more awesome. I suspect certain factories may even have already set-up tours.

    Nuclear plant or research facility: I used to work at the cyclotron at MI State, and I can tell you they did a wicked awesome field trip. I've also been on a tour of a nuclear plant and it's very cool. These kinds of places are generally happy to do tours and may already have a system in place to make them happen.

  83. Wikibooks.org by kwmbt · · Score: 1

    I co-founded Wikipedia partner site http://en.wikibooks.org/ for exactly this type of use. There are some high school science books already on there which you can reference, or even better, have your students edit and expand themselves. This can be done with a whole class or just for a group of top students or for extra credit. I believe this is the best way to capitalize on the online aspect, not just passively reading someone else's material, but actively participating in creating and editing the learning texts.

  84. Using Internet to Teach 8th Grade Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Couple internet use with building PowerPoint presentations for science topics that are not amenable to lab activities. Here are some of the topics that my students were required to build presentations for:

    1. Inhabiting other planets (Students had to select a planet and formulate a plan to inhabit that planet)
    2. Energy resources
    3. Environmental Issues
    4. Mining (Students selected a mine operation and had to sale their refined ore as a commodity)
    5. Telescopes (there are so many different kinds of telescopes - students had to pick a telescope and sale the idea to the class acting as NASA)

    What is important is that students are given specific instructions on how to build a presentation and what the criteria is for each stage in the presentation. Their work must be checked and given (or not given) credit along the way or THE PROJECT WILL FAIL. Students must be required to turn in something at the end of each period. Sometimes it might merely be an outline that shows progress (PowerPoint has this feature) from which you may give the students feedback. Students must have had some background information about the subject ahead of time. Students hate doing research and it is important that they be required to turn in their research before they put together their presentation. Students can work in groups of 3 or less. Outline exactly what must be in their presentation with a rubric. Here is an example

    Title page: 10 pts
    Table of contents: 10 Pts
    Description of topic: 10 pts
    Function of topic: 10 pts
    Benefit of topic: 10 pts
    problem with topic 10 Pts
    How problems may be overcome: 20pts
    Conclusion: 20 pts

    Make sure that the audience evaluates the presentations or they won't pay attention. For each of the presenters, the students in the audience must make an assessment. They might have a budget and they have to justify how much they are willing to spend on each topic. Student presentations are ranked according to the amount of money they are awarded and given a separate grade for their ranking. Audience members must show their budget calculations. If their awards are not sufficiently justified, they will be penalized. Make it very clear what a justification looks like:

    1. Name of topic
    2. Strengths of presentation
    3. Weakness of presentation
    4. Award amount

    Students are not limited to one slide per criteria section. The idea is not to cram as much as they can on one slide. Pictures and color are helpful but fonts must be easily readable. Students are not allowed to read their slides and must make eye contact through the entire presentation. The PowerPoint is not their presentation, it is an aide to their presentation. The entire unit should only take two weeks maximum. Students who are absent for presentations must get together with the presenters and fill out the necessary paperwork for their justifications.

    Students receive several grades for this type of project:
    1. Research on topic
    2. Outline of presentation (there may be several of these)
    3. Presentation of topic
    4. Justification of award (as audience member)
    5. Calculation of budget (as audience member)
    6. Ranking of topic

    I found that my students greatly benefitted by producing these types of presentation and since they established a relevant connection between science and society, this provided a dimension to the science classroom that is as important as the practice of science. We can't build a nuclear power generator or take samples from the surface of Venus in our science classroom but we can show what real scientists have discovered and how these topics are woven into the fabric of modern society.

    Questions: contact me at earthnskynlight@msn.com

  85. Thank you. by Peterus7 · · Score: 1

    Hey guys, thanks for your comments, I haven't had time to read them all, but will attempt to start sifting through them over the weekend. A few things I wanted to clarify: I appreciate the plethora of worksheets, activities, etc. available online. That's very useful to a beginning teacher, since I don't have a very large library to choose from, and these things can save me the effort of trying to come up with one on my own. However, what I was looking for (and mind you, I haven't had time to sift through everything) is cool stuff that can really help them get involved in science that they can do online. If I'm teaching them a course on galaxies, and I break out galaxy zoo for a day, I think that would have a pretty cool impact. Plus, it's something that they can do on their own time if they want to. I also feel that kids should learn how to use the internet for more than facebook and youtube, but that's a whole new subject. Also, someone called BS on me saying kids were into online stuff, saying that they wouldn't be into school related online stuff. To that, I reply that they were doing a demo of standardized testing software, and the class was silent, eyes glued to the screens. It might have been the novelty of having smartbooks in the classroom, but I felt that if I could perhaps offer some more online resources and additions to their standard fare of worksheets and labs, I could give them a more thorough education. Thank you for everyone for posting. Some of the posts I've clicked on have been very insightful, and I deeply appreciate the time and effort you have put into them. If you have any suggestions, email me or stop by my blog. Thanks.

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