Well, if your going to hold the PC to "I configured it to my specific taste.", and you hold the iPad to "I just use it however it comes." standards, there is a difference. If you hold them to the same standards, there isn't a significant difference. I set up a PC just two days ago. It consisted of:
1) Turning it on.
2) Enter Username/Password
3) Use computer.
Whereas, you left the entire part of setting up a PC to actually be able to set up an iPad.
Again, setting up a PC is a subset of the steps needed to set up an iPad. You are being silly in claiming that setting up a PC is harder than setting up a PC AND the added steps to get an iPad working on top of that.
While I think that comparing banning streaming music to record burnings is a bit over the top, you do make a good point about bandwidth. The cost of the bandwidth for audio streaming is trivial on a per user basis. Decent companies spend dramatically more than that to try to make work a pleasant place to be. Even crappy places to work often spend more than that. The claim "It's company equipment, so you should be using if for personal things." is basically a company statement that working for them should suck. It sets up an adversarial relationship that everyone loses on.
The funny part is how everyone just accepts the Apple PR. I'm not saying that an iPad is rocket science, but there are configuration setting in the thing that many people just wouldn't know what they mean. In fact, there are just as many setting to configure to use an iPad as there are to use a new Windows PC. And speaking of a PC, you have to have one and use it to get full use of the iPad. So, if a Windows/OSX mand simple book makes any sense at all, so does an iPad made simple book.
Or it could have been The Matrix. When I heard that they were going to make a Tron sequel, my first thought was that the inside of the computer was supposed to represent how the graphics of the day looked. Since today we have photo realistic graphics, everything would have too look real. Thus, good or bad, The Matrix.
I can't claim to have followed Pandora close enough to tell you what happened, but there is absolutely no reason that it should take 2 years to produce a basic square clamshell unless it is a hobby project done in your spare time. Your comment "and thousands of dollars" indicates that you have no idea what goes on with the production of plastic parts. Of course it takes thousands of dollars. Molds are not made from pixie dust. The fact that you are surprised by that, and consider thousands of dollars to be a big deal, indicates that you have no familiarity with the cost of doing business.
CommodoreUSA seems to be the first company since the original Commodore's fall that has a plan to do something that both is associated with the original, and still is plausable. They actually have a case. A simple case with a Atom based motherboard is a realistic goal. As a retro gaming fan, I find the idea of having a PC in a C64 looking case really attractive, and if I get board of it, I can just use it as a standard PC. That takes all of the risk out of buying some specialty hardware, and the work out of trying to gut a real C64 and fit in a PC.
PE is a joke. If the statistics on youth obesity are to be taken at face value, then clearly 50 years of P.E. is simply a failure at making a difference. If a person does not have an active lifestyle, forcing them to play sports with other people who are way outside of their skill set and physical capabilities isn't going to encourage them.
Personally, I'm not buying the obesity epidemic propaganda. Maybe living in California means that people tend to be thinner, but when I drive past schools, or are in environments where there are a lot of minors, I simply don't see many of the fat kids everyone keeps talking about. I see a few, but that has always been the case.
No, it isn't because you said 'unsecured' earlier. The reason I say 'unsecured' is because every wireless router comes with two features. One is the ability to publicly announce that it is available for use. The other is the ability to say that while I am publicly announcing it is available to use, I am limiting who I want to use it.
You don't like your own car analogy. Fine. Lets use the beer analogy. If you show up to a party with a six pack of beer, and 'announce' "Hey everybody, I brought beer, then proceed to put the beer out with all of the beer that was brought for other people to share, you have no right to complain when someone drinks your beer. On the other hand, if you put a note on your beer that says "This beer is for Prince Adam only". Then someone that drinks your beer has stolen it.
The fact that you cannot read or write does not mean your lack of securing your beer is the other guests problem. They did nothing wrong treating your beer just like all the other free beer that was willingly supplied to them.
Given that there are hundreds of thousands of unsecured wireless routers around the country that are in fact inviting you to use them for free, yes "unsecured == invitation". That is the only way that it can work.
From a technical standpoint. Your invitation without any blocking mechanism is an invitation.
From a practical standpoint the only way for there to be public and private wifi is to use a 'no trespassing' sign on the private networks.
Again, the fact that people bought routers that by default declared themselves to be publicly accessible, does not mean that they are not broadcasting an invitation.
The funny thing about that is that it is a personal example of why lame arguments on Slashdot can be a good thing. When CFLs first started hitting the streets, I tried them for energy savings, and was very disappointed with some of their problems. While talking about them on Slashdot, I mentioned the mercury 'problem'. As you can imagine, there were a dozen people ready to call me an idiot because the coal plant releases more mercury than the CFL has. While they could have been more polite, a little research, and I verified that they were right. So, I learned something new, and my ego will recover from being wrong in an internet discussion.
You seem to A) missed what the conversation was about since you are talking about interacting with something tiny, and B) Become confused into thinking that most people have a need for multiple screens that outweighs the convenience of always having their computer with them, D) for some reason believe that a full sized keyboard and monitor could not be use when they are available.
The very fact that you put the word 'poor' in there shows a complete lack of good faith in the conversation. Even the most minimal encryption is a sign that it is not for public consumption. So, how many have open wifi and intend for the public to use it? HUGE numbers. It is particularly common for businesses.
You are right. Your car analogy was a bad idea. Particularly because it was a bad analogy. Of course, you obviously already knew that, and just planned on saying that anyone who pointed it out was doing mental gymnastics.
Very simply there is no mental gymnastics in understanding that every router comes with a way to either publicly announce it is there, or just quietly exist. They also all come with a no trespassing sign. It takes mental gymnastics to rationalize that someone has a legitimate complaint when they publicly announces that they have a publicly available resource and don't put out the do not use sign that is right there for them to use.
Nope. They are not annoying at all. There are some PEOPLE that are annoying. There are also some PEOPLE that are annoyed by other PEOPLE, but the phones themselves? Not annoying in the slightest. It is unfortunate for you that you don't have anyone in your life that you would want to see in 3D or larger than what a phone screen can show. That isn't the case for all of use though, so holographic projecting would be a good thing for us. Of course the real boon would be having the phone display a computer screen.
Phones today are PC. Not Wintel machines, but definitely Personal Computers. The two biggest missing pieces are lack of a real keyboard and full sized monitor. We live with the tiny screens and keyboards because we have to choose between full sized IO and compact carrying size. We already have keyboards that displayed by laser, so that part just needs some shrinking. There is a phone or two that have a built in LED projector, so we are right on the verge of having a tiny but usable PC. Holographic display would make the screen usable anywhere.
Don't let your lack of loved ones sour you on the bright future of ultra tiny PCs.
Sure, and calligraphy, and wood block printing, and the Klingon font, but that doesn't mean that there are not better things to do than learn a depreciated font.
Yes, they could have avoided all of this by including a removable wizards hat and voice bubble that says "I don my mighty wizards cap and cast Reality Distortion Field level 14!"
That would have put it firmly identified it as satire, and once out of the box, the hat could be left off leaving the doll exactly the same, minus the threat of lawsuit.
That interesting, because the last time I made a change with T-Mobile I had the opposite outcome. I was still under contract, and I wanted to move to one of their unlimited voice plans. Their new plans with unlimited month to month plan was ~$10 a month cheaper than my shared 600 minute plan. I did pay an $70 early cancellation fee, but they were happy to put me on month to month. That was about 8 months ago.
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Given how crappy Tang is, and the fact that we still all know what it is in a very crowded soft drink market, I would guess that you might be right.
Well, there is more than one Galaxy in the universe.
Well, if your going to hold the PC to "I configured it to my specific taste.", and you hold the iPad to "I just use it however it comes." standards, there is a difference. If you hold them to the same standards, there isn't a significant difference. I set up a PC just two days ago. It consisted of:
1) Turning it on.
2) Enter Username/Password
3) Use computer.
Whereas, you left the entire part of setting up a PC to actually be able to set up an iPad.
Again, setting up a PC is a subset of the steps needed to set up an iPad. You are being silly in claiming that setting up a PC is harder than setting up a PC AND the added steps to get an iPad working on top of that.
While I think that comparing banning streaming music to record burnings is a bit over the top, you do make a good point about bandwidth. The cost of the bandwidth for audio streaming is trivial on a per user basis. Decent companies spend dramatically more than that to try to make work a pleasant place to be. Even crappy places to work often spend more than that. The claim "It's company equipment, so you should be using if for personal things." is basically a company statement that working for them should suck. It sets up an adversarial relationship that everyone loses on.
Good thing the cable was leaked so that we can read the actual cable and see that you are correct instead of listening to hear say.
The funny part is how everyone just accepts the Apple PR. I'm not saying that an iPad is rocket science, but there are configuration setting in the thing that many people just wouldn't know what they mean. In fact, there are just as many setting to configure to use an iPad as there are to use a new Windows PC. And speaking of a PC, you have to have one and use it to get full use of the iPad. So, if a Windows/OSX mand simple book makes any sense at all, so does an iPad made simple book.
Well, MS tried that with the original XBox, but they couldn't even get that right....
I don't know, 'FarmVille 2245 A.D. The Movie' wasn't based on conflict, and it was almost as good at the game!
About the same time that having your apps banging directly on the hardware does.
There is irony in your comment. Subtle irony, but irony none the less.
I'm not saying these pants don't suck, but I am saying that I only WISH I could buy electricity at $0.10/kWhr....
Or it could have been The Matrix. When I heard that they were going to make a Tron sequel, my first thought was that the inside of the computer was supposed to represent how the graphics of the day looked. Since today we have photo realistic graphics, everything would have too look real. Thus, good or bad, The Matrix.
I can't claim to have followed Pandora close enough to tell you what happened, but there is absolutely no reason that it should take 2 years to produce a basic square clamshell unless it is a hobby project done in your spare time. Your comment "and thousands of dollars" indicates that you have no idea what goes on with the production of plastic parts. Of course it takes thousands of dollars. Molds are not made from pixie dust. The fact that you are surprised by that, and consider thousands of dollars to be a big deal, indicates that you have no familiarity with the cost of doing business.
Your point being? Are you trying to claim that making a custom case is really so difficult that a business can't do it?
CommodoreUSA seems to be the first company since the original Commodore's fall that has a plan to do something that both is associated with the original, and still is plausable. They actually have a case. A simple case with a Atom based motherboard is a realistic goal. As a retro gaming fan, I find the idea of having a PC in a C64 looking case really attractive, and if I get board of it, I can just use it as a standard PC. That takes all of the risk out of buying some specialty hardware, and the work out of trying to gut a real C64 and fit in a PC.
PE is a joke. If the statistics on youth obesity are to be taken at face value, then clearly 50 years of P.E. is simply a failure at making a difference. If a person does not have an active lifestyle, forcing them to play sports with other people who are way outside of their skill set and physical capabilities isn't going to encourage them.
Personally, I'm not buying the obesity epidemic propaganda. Maybe living in California means that people tend to be thinner, but when I drive past schools, or are in environments where there are a lot of minors, I simply don't see many of the fat kids everyone keeps talking about. I see a few, but that has always been the case.
No, it isn't because you said 'unsecured' earlier. The reason I say 'unsecured' is because every wireless router comes with two features. One is the ability to publicly announce that it is available for use. The other is the ability to say that while I am publicly announcing it is available to use, I am limiting who I want to use it.
You don't like your own car analogy. Fine. Lets use the beer analogy. If you show up to a party with a six pack of beer, and 'announce' "Hey everybody, I brought beer, then proceed to put the beer out with all of the beer that was brought for other people to share, you have no right to complain when someone drinks your beer. On the other hand, if you put a note on your beer that says "This beer is for Prince Adam only". Then someone that drinks your beer has stolen it.
The fact that you cannot read or write does not mean your lack of securing your beer is the other guests problem. They did nothing wrong treating your beer just like all the other free beer that was willingly supplied to them.
Given that there are hundreds of thousands of unsecured wireless routers around the country that are in fact inviting you to use them for free, yes "unsecured == invitation". That is the only way that it can work.
From a technical standpoint. Your invitation without any blocking mechanism is an invitation.
From a practical standpoint the only way for there to be public and private wifi is to use a 'no trespassing' sign on the private networks.
Again, the fact that people bought routers that by default declared themselves to be publicly accessible, does not mean that they are not broadcasting an invitation.
The funny thing about that is that it is a personal example of why lame arguments on Slashdot can be a good thing. When CFLs first started hitting the streets, I tried them for energy savings, and was very disappointed with some of their problems. While talking about them on Slashdot, I mentioned the mercury 'problem'. As you can imagine, there were a dozen people ready to call me an idiot because the coal plant releases more mercury than the CFL has. While they could have been more polite, a little research, and I verified that they were right. So, I learned something new, and my ego will recover from being wrong in an internet discussion.
You seem to A) missed what the conversation was about since you are talking about interacting with something tiny, and B) Become confused into thinking that most people have a need for multiple screens that outweighs the convenience of always having their computer with them, D) for some reason believe that a full sized keyboard and monitor could not be use when they are available.
All in all you seem confused.
Because for many, the cell phone will be their desktop and laptop.
The very fact that you put the word 'poor' in there shows a complete lack of good faith in the conversation. Even the most minimal encryption is a sign that it is not for public consumption. So, how many have open wifi and intend for the public to use it? HUGE numbers. It is particularly common for businesses.
You are right. Your car analogy was a bad idea. Particularly because it was a bad analogy. Of course, you obviously already knew that, and just planned on saying that anyone who pointed it out was doing mental gymnastics.
Very simply there is no mental gymnastics in understanding that every router comes with a way to either publicly announce it is there, or just quietly exist. They also all come with a no trespassing sign. It takes mental gymnastics to rationalize that someone has a legitimate complaint when they publicly announces that they have a publicly available resource and don't put out the do not use sign that is right there for them to use.
Nope. They are not annoying at all. There are some PEOPLE that are annoying. There are also some PEOPLE that are annoyed by other PEOPLE, but the phones themselves? Not annoying in the slightest. It is unfortunate for you that you don't have anyone in your life that you would want to see in 3D or larger than what a phone screen can show. That isn't the case for all of use though, so holographic projecting would be a good thing for us. Of course the real boon would be having the phone display a computer screen.
Phones today are PC. Not Wintel machines, but definitely Personal Computers. The two biggest missing pieces are lack of a real keyboard and full sized monitor. We live with the tiny screens and keyboards because we have to choose between full sized IO and compact carrying size. We already have keyboards that displayed by laser, so that part just needs some shrinking. There is a phone or two that have a built in LED projector, so we are right on the verge of having a tiny but usable PC. Holographic display would make the screen usable anywhere.
Don't let your lack of loved ones sour you on the bright future of ultra tiny PCs.
Sure, and calligraphy, and wood block printing, and the Klingon font, but that doesn't mean that there are not better things to do than learn a depreciated font.
Yes, they could have avoided all of this by including a removable wizards hat and voice bubble that says "I don my mighty wizards cap and cast Reality Distortion Field level 14!"
That would have put it firmly identified it as satire, and once out of the box, the hat could be left off leaving the doll exactly the same, minus the threat of lawsuit.
That interesting, because the last time I made a change with T-Mobile I had the opposite outcome. I was still under contract, and I wanted to move to one of their unlimited voice plans. Their new plans with unlimited month to month plan was ~$10 a month cheaper than my shared 600 minute plan. I did pay an $70 early cancellation fee, but they were happy to put me on month to month. That was about 8 months ago.