Spoken just like one of the stupid who is scared of the things they don't understand.
Just in case you missed it, in the 80's this thing called a GUI started to become popular. It stands for "Graphic User Interface". One of the neat things about it is that it can use little pictures, also known as 'icons', to represent programs. Using a device called a mouse, you can point at these so called 'icons' and click a button which will launch a program. I know that this is difficult for you to understand, and it scares you that children as young as 1 can easily grasp scary concepts that you struggle to absorb, but they really do exist. An interesting side effect of using this 'GUI' is that one does not need to know how to read to proficient at using their computer.
Anyone who can read and write minimally and push buttons can look something up on Google.
Absolutely. Now, how man can read at 3. Many to be sure, but percentage wise, a very small number. How many can write at 5? A little more than can read at 3, but still a very small percentage. Maybe I am delusional by thinking that being smart is good. No doubt the vast majority of the population is like you and think that ignorance is bliss, but the world needs people like my family. It just needs fewer smart people than it needs dumb ones. So, don't worry. There will be a place for your child in the world too. Somebody needs to change the oil in cars, and it is a perfectly respectable job.
1) Yes, here in the USA, there are plenty of things that home schooled kids can do with other kids, including playing outside of school with other kids, and a ton of events specifically for home schooled kids. We also don't segregate our parks based on school attended.
2) When you say that All (...three) home-schooled people you met have had problems is kind of like the saying that women can't drive because you've seen three women do something dumb in their car. Just as there are no doubt some women that cannot drive safely, the vast majority of them drive just fine, and you don't even notice what they have between their legs. The same holds true for home schooled kids. Unless the subject comes up, you would never notice that they were home schooled.
I guess there is a third... There are plenty of poorly adjusted public school kids. Whether the number is more or less depends on what you consider to be well adjusted. I get that many people are like syousef who thinks that being smart means that you are inherently maladjusted. His exact words were...
Do you really want your child to be a genius? Do you have any idea how hard life is for a prodigy? Why would any parent wish that upon their child?
I have been unable to get the IR blasting to work. I tried both a homebrew serial blaster and the commandIR. They just don't seem to work. I really expected the commandIR to work since that was the whole point of the device. I would really like to have MythTV working, but not being able to change the channels on the Dish box is a real deal breaker for me.
What I use now is an Acer Revo PC running XBMC for playing local media and a Roku for playing Netflix. One thing that all of the people that are suggesting a HTPC for Netflix seem to be missing the fact that Netflix stream a lower quality picture to PC than they do to Rokus. It seems kind of funny that people would stonewall at the idea of cable being SD, but don't think twice about having their movies streamed at sub-HD quality.
There we go. We have fundamental differences in views. You are either ultra wealthy, or have accepted your place as a surf. Ok.
Great! Now you can choose to buy programs and devices that have a walled garden of their own
This makes absolutely no sense though. How is being able to install whatever software I want a walled garden? As far as I can tell that whole paragraph is the rambling of an broken slave.
Oh, no worries there... As much as I think being smart is cool, I am fully aware that the vast majority of the population gets by just fine with what I would consider a 7th grade education. (for lack of a better term)
The rest of what you say is absolutely correct. Teaching to the age instead of to the proficiency level is a guaranteed to fail most of the kids, and the only reason that having different aged kids in the same classroom is a problem is because it basically never happens. It takes most home schooler I know only a couple of hours to out pace what is done in the public school classroom. As unimpressed as I am with 90% of the public school teachers, even the 10% that I am impressed by cannot hope to educate 20 kids with varying proficiency levels in a day as well as a one or better yet two parents that know their child's strengths and weaknesses can in just a couple of hours.
That being said, as much as I see public schools as little more than state orphanages, the unfortunate fact is that sometimes the state needs to have orphanages. I would just prefer to see sweeping reform in the public school system. The public schools are not Oliver Twist bad, but they are closer to Oliver Twist than they are to what a good portion of the home schooled kids get.
Wow! You must live in the middle of no where if the only two cities in your state that have 3G are less than 3 square miles COMBINED. You know, there are places out side of Gantts Quarry, Alabama.
Wrong. Mechanical thermostats basically never break, and are dirt cheap. Virtually every single home in the country has a thermostat. When was the last time you had to replace a mechanical one because it failed? Heating elements are also common and dirt cheap. Pretty much they consist of running electricity through a resistor. You are MASSIVELY exaggerating both the complexity and cost. It would likely take less than a day of running the lights to offset the added cost of a thermostat and a heater. The liability still would not be as high as with older style bulbs because the rate of failure would still be multiple orders of magnitude less than what regular bulbs have.
That must be it. Everybody else is shown coverage maps that are clearly more than a couple of square miles for the country and multiple people confirm that they do in fact get 3G coverage in more than a couple of square miles. You are the only person that allegedly was told they only had a couple of square miles of coverage, and somehow that makes me a fanboy. Riiigggghhhht....
No, they are not. That is a myth that the public school industry would like you to believe. As a home schooling parent, I can tell you, that the percentage of religious nutjobs outside of homeschooling is WAY higher than those inside. This ratio might be different in other parts of the country, but at least her in California, it is definitely the case. The number one reason that I have heard from other home schooling parents for their choice is that they want their kid to get the best education possible, and the public school is incapable or unwilling to provide it. The second most common reason is that the parents actually like spending time with their kids and think it is good for the kid to spend time with them.
My own reasons for home schooling started out long before my son was born with me not wanting my child raised by part time government employees with low reasoning and math skills, combined with the fact that the schools would not want me as the parent of one of their students. Very early on, it became clear that public school would be a disaster for my son.
He was proficient on the PC at 1. A week after his 2nd birthday he did his first Ubuntu install. (No, he couldn't read. Yes, it is really more an example of just how easy it is to install Linux.) He started reading just before three, and started working on electronics projects soon after. At 5, he is currently working on his multiplication, division, and improving his writing skills. He reads as well as many of the kids I went to high school with. ( Yes, that is as much a slight against the public school kids as it is bragging about my own.) When he wants to know something new, he has no problem getting on Google and finding it.
All the bragging daddy issues aside, this level of education would at worst not be tolorated in a public school, and at best he would be bored stiff, start talking to the kid next to him for some stimulation, and be considered a problem kid because he couldn't sit still and listen to the lecture on the letter 'A'.
T-Mobile must have just given me access to their special super secret invitation only 3G network that they didn't tell you about, because I, and others here had a lot more 3G coverage than what you claim was available to you.
What government has made rules that say Apple or any other business is not allowed to include and exclude certain functions?
The argument that it is not illegal, thus no one should voice the opinion that it should be illegal is a self flogging absurdity at best.
As for, should they be required to sell everybodies shoes? If that is what the people decide is the rule for a corporation to have the privilege of doing business in our society, then yes. We are not talking about making Apple sell all software. We are talking about Apple using their overwhelming clout in a high barrier to entry market to try to prevent other players from competing with them in a different low barrier to entry market. I have no complaints with the way that Google handles their app store. I don't care if they don't carry every piece of software because I can install any software without their store. I can even set up my own store to compete with them if I want to.
If you want to make a shoe store analogy, then you would have to say that it is like one of the three main shoe stores in town has bought up most of the residential property in town, and putting terms in the resale requiring that if the next purchaser wants to walk on the floors of the house they bought, they can only buy shoes from them, and when they decide to start carrying their own line of any particular style, they will stop carrying any other brands. So, if you want to use sneakers in "their house", then you have to buy the shoes they approve of.
Really, it comes down you believe that people are in a lower caste than corporations, and that people trying to set any kind of rules on corporations is theft. I get it.
This is exactly what I am talking about. If the same senior executive had forgetten and left the exact same pictures printed on paper in his desk, and asked the mid level managers to repeatedly get items from the drawer, the exact same lawsuit would have happened. Yet, somehow, spending tons of money and manpower on stopping porn "on a computer" seems reasonable, yet spending money and manpower to make sure the exec doesn't have porn in is drawer doesn't. Why? Because the sysadmins convinced everyone that somehow porn "on a computer" is fundimentally different than on paper.
The moral of your linked article isn't that filtering on the computer makes sense. The moral of the story is that the computer is used as a scape goat for behavior that undoubtedly happens without one as well, AND that the sysadmin is more than happy to INCREASE liability to build his little kingdom.
So, again, I ask. Has anyone ever been sued because they didn't have filtering? I highly doubt it.
It isn't about the network. It is about sexual harassment.
They could sue because in the early days, over zealous control freak system administrators decided that they wanted to exert control, so they started saying very loudly, how a playboy centerfold On A Computer(tm) is somehow fundamentally different than in a magazine, so they needed the authority to block sites that might have pictures of naked women. Their rational was that unlike a picture in a magazine that is kept in a folder until the door is closed, the same picture on a computer monitor that is kept in a... well... folder will call in a phalanx of lawyers.
There may even be some truth to it now. The population, lawyers, and judges have been convinced that while it would be unreasonable to expect a business to spend the huge amounts of money that it would be necessary to make sure that Hypersensitive Hanna doesn't find a nudie mag in someone's desk drawer, it is perfectly reasonable to spend huge amounts of money to make sure that she doesn't see it on a computer screen.
Basically, a bunch of sysadmins went around telling everybody how they could and should sue the company. That FUD has lead to where we are today.
Does anyone know if any company has ever been sued because they didn't filter the internet, as opposed to just having a company policy against porn in the office?
There is no "Stealing from the rich". If the "rich" don't like our consumer laws then they have every right to keep every iPhone they produce for themselves. Once they decide to do business within our borders, then just like the rest of us, they have to follow the law. If the people have convince the elected officials to make one of those laws that you cannot lock out competitors from using your products, then that is what they have to do. Even on their worst days, Bush, Obama, nor any of the people that elected them forced Apple to sell anyone an iPhone.
You are a perfect example of someone who has bought into the corporations are a higher caste than individuals. You say that people don't have to buy iPhones, so if they do buy one, they have to follow the rules of the corporation. I say, that corporations don't have to sell iPhones to people, so corporations have to follow the rules of the people.
Or enough people could complain and make a big stink thus pushing government force Apple to work towards their benefit. I always find if funny how many individuals think that corporations SHOULD have more rights than individuals. A corporation has no god given right to do business in my country. The people in my county (supposedly) get to make whatever rules they want. If the people absolutely have the right to decide that what Apple is doing is wrong.
I flat out deny your assertion that corporations are inherently imbued with the right to decide right and wrong. I also flat out deny your assertion that I as a citizen of my country do not have the right to try and sway public opinion to favor me as an individual over a corporation.
No. It is not. When they sell it to you, it stops being their product and becomes your product. If Apple wants it to remain theirs, then they should not sell it. They should rent it, or just keep it for themselves.
"Pink Slime"??? The sub-grade beef article you link to sounds very much like the known dangers of DHMO. It is important that the government start banning these terrible substances. Heck, I wouldn't doubt it if researchers even found DHMO IN the pink slime.
Well, the price the quoted was acceptable for a 90 day mission. If they were able to build a device that lasts far longer for the price of one that would only last 90 days, then hurry! Success!
They tested aluminum hats. Everyone knows that the reason you can only find aluminum foil in stores and tin foil is nowhere to be found is because aluminum magnifies the signal where as tin foil blocks it. So, these guys at MIT clearly are right that the aluminum foil hat 'craze' is propagated by the government. What they didn't realize was that they confirmed that the government's conspiracy is working since they obviously didn't even realize that the mind reader blocking tin foil was replaced with aluminum.
Unless, they are actually working for the government and performed the reproducible and verifiable experiment with the wrong materials to confuse people into mistaking aluminum foil for tin foil and thus keeping us from making proper mind control ray blocking tin foil hats. It even worked on you! Diabolical!!!
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Just in case you missed it, in the 80's this thing called a GUI started to become popular. It stands for "Graphic User Interface". One of the neat things about it is that it can use little pictures, also known as 'icons', to represent programs. Using a device called a mouse, you can point at these so called 'icons' and click a button which will launch a program. I know that this is difficult for you to understand, and it scares you that children as young as 1 can easily grasp scary concepts that you struggle to absorb, but they really do exist. An interesting side effect of using this 'GUI' is that one does not need to know how to read to proficient at using their computer.
Anyone who can read and write minimally and push buttons can look something up on Google.
Absolutely. Now, how man can read at 3. Many to be sure, but percentage wise, a very small number. How many can write at 5? A little more than can read at 3, but still a very small percentage. Maybe I am delusional by thinking that being smart is good. No doubt the vast majority of the population is like you and think that ignorance is bliss, but the world needs people like my family. It just needs fewer smart people than it needs dumb ones. So, don't worry. There will be a place for your child in the world too. Somebody needs to change the oil in cars, and it is a perfectly respectable job.
1) Yes, here in the USA, there are plenty of things that home schooled kids can do with other kids, including playing outside of school with other kids, and a ton of events specifically for home schooled kids. We also don't segregate our parks based on school attended.
2) When you say that All (...three) home-schooled people you met have had problems is kind of like the saying that women can't drive because you've seen three women do something dumb in their car. Just as there are no doubt some women that cannot drive safely, the vast majority of them drive just fine, and you don't even notice what they have between their legs. The same holds true for home schooled kids. Unless the subject comes up, you would never notice that they were home schooled.
I guess there is a third... There are plenty of poorly adjusted public school kids. Whether the number is more or less depends on what you consider to be well adjusted. I get that many people are like syousef who thinks that being smart means that you are inherently maladjusted. His exact words were...
Do you really want your child to be a genius? Do you have any idea how hard life is for a prodigy? Why would any parent wish that upon their child?
I have been unable to get the IR blasting to work. I tried both a homebrew serial blaster and the commandIR. They just don't seem to work. I really expected the commandIR to work since that was the whole point of the device. I would really like to have MythTV working, but not being able to change the channels on the Dish box is a real deal breaker for me.
What I use now is an Acer Revo PC running XBMC for playing local media and a Roku for playing Netflix. One thing that all of the people that are suggesting a HTPC for Netflix seem to be missing the fact that Netflix stream a lower quality picture to PC than they do to Rokus. It seems kind of funny that people would stonewall at the idea of cable being SD, but don't think twice about having their movies streamed at sub-HD quality.
I guess that falls under the category of it would be funny if it was true.
Great! Now you can choose to buy programs and devices that have a walled garden of their own
This makes absolutely no sense though. How is being able to install whatever software I want a walled garden? As far as I can tell that whole paragraph is the rambling of an broken slave.
Oh, no worries there... As much as I think being smart is cool, I am fully aware that the vast majority of the population gets by just fine with what I would consider a 7th grade education. (for lack of a better term)
The rest of what you say is absolutely correct. Teaching to the age instead of to the proficiency level is a guaranteed to fail most of the kids, and the only reason that having different aged kids in the same classroom is a problem is because it basically never happens. It takes most home schooler I know only a couple of hours to out pace what is done in the public school classroom. As unimpressed as I am with 90% of the public school teachers, even the 10% that I am impressed by cannot hope to educate 20 kids with varying proficiency levels in a day as well as a one or better yet two parents that know their child's strengths and weaknesses can in just a couple of hours.
That being said, as much as I see public schools as little more than state orphanages, the unfortunate fact is that sometimes the state needs to have orphanages. I would just prefer to see sweeping reform in the public school system. The public schools are not Oliver Twist bad, but they are closer to Oliver Twist than they are to what a good portion of the home schooled kids get.
Wow! You must live in the middle of no where if the only two cities in your state that have 3G are less than 3 square miles COMBINED. You know, there are places out side of Gantts Quarry, Alabama.
Wrong. Mechanical thermostats basically never break, and are dirt cheap. Virtually every single home in the country has a thermostat. When was the last time you had to replace a mechanical one because it failed? Heating elements are also common and dirt cheap. Pretty much they consist of running electricity through a resistor. You are MASSIVELY exaggerating both the complexity and cost. It would likely take less than a day of running the lights to offset the added cost of a thermostat and a heater. The liability still would not be as high as with older style bulbs because the rate of failure would still be multiple orders of magnitude less than what regular bulbs have.
That must be it. Everybody else is shown coverage maps that are clearly more than a couple of square miles for the country and multiple people confirm that they do in fact get 3G coverage in more than a couple of square miles. You are the only person that allegedly was told they only had a couple of square miles of coverage, and somehow that makes me a fanboy. Riiigggghhhht....
No, they are not. That is a myth that the public school industry would like you to believe. As a home schooling parent, I can tell you, that the percentage of religious nutjobs outside of homeschooling is WAY higher than those inside. This ratio might be different in other parts of the country, but at least her in California, it is definitely the case. The number one reason that I have heard from other home schooling parents for their choice is that they want their kid to get the best education possible, and the public school is incapable or unwilling to provide it. The second most common reason is that the parents actually like spending time with their kids and think it is good for the kid to spend time with them.
My own reasons for home schooling started out long before my son was born with me not wanting my child raised by part time government employees with low reasoning and math skills, combined with the fact that the schools would not want me as the parent of one of their students. Very early on, it became clear that public school would be a disaster for my son.
He was proficient on the PC at 1. A week after his 2nd birthday he did his first Ubuntu install. (No, he couldn't read. Yes, it is really more an example of just how easy it is to install Linux.) He started reading just before three, and started working on electronics projects soon after. At 5, he is currently working on his multiplication, division, and improving his writing skills. He reads as well as many of the kids I went to high school with. ( Yes, that is as much a slight against the public school kids as it is bragging about my own.) When he wants to know something new, he has no problem getting on Google and finding it.
All the bragging daddy issues aside, this level of education would at worst not be tolorated in a public school, and at best he would be bored stiff, start talking to the kid next to him for some stimulation, and be considered a problem kid because he couldn't sit still and listen to the lecture on the letter 'A'.
T-Mobile must have just given me access to their special super secret invitation only 3G network that they didn't tell you about, because I, and others here had a lot more 3G coverage than what you claim was available to you.
What government has made rules that say Apple or any other business is not allowed to include and exclude certain functions?
The argument that it is not illegal, thus no one should voice the opinion that it should be illegal is a self flogging absurdity at best.
As for, should they be required to sell everybodies shoes? If that is what the people decide is the rule for a corporation to have the privilege of doing business in our society, then yes. We are not talking about making Apple sell all software. We are talking about Apple using their overwhelming clout in a high barrier to entry market to try to prevent other players from competing with them in a different low barrier to entry market. I have no complaints with the way that Google handles their app store. I don't care if they don't carry every piece of software because I can install any software without their store. I can even set up my own store to compete with them if I want to.
If you want to make a shoe store analogy, then you would have to say that it is like one of the three main shoe stores in town has bought up most of the residential property in town, and putting terms in the resale requiring that if the next purchaser wants to walk on the floors of the house they bought, they can only buy shoes from them, and when they decide to start carrying their own line of any particular style, they will stop carrying any other brands. So, if you want to use sneakers in "their house", then you have to buy the shoes they approve of.
Really, it comes down you believe that people are in a lower caste than corporations, and that people trying to set any kind of rules on corporations is theft. I get it.
This is exactly what I am talking about. If the same senior executive had forgetten and left the exact same pictures printed on paper in his desk, and asked the mid level managers to repeatedly get items from the drawer, the exact same lawsuit would have happened. Yet, somehow, spending tons of money and manpower on stopping porn "on a computer" seems reasonable, yet spending money and manpower to make sure the exec doesn't have porn in is drawer doesn't. Why? Because the sysadmins convinced everyone that somehow porn "on a computer" is fundimentally different than on paper.
The moral of your linked article isn't that filtering on the computer makes sense. The moral of the story is that the computer is used as a scape goat for behavior that undoubtedly happens without one as well, AND that the sysadmin is more than happy to INCREASE liability to build his little kingdom.
So, again, I ask. Has anyone ever been sued because they didn't have filtering? I highly doubt it.
No, I looked at their map, and had T-Mobile in the summer, and I can say for a fact that you are just making up your statement.
There is more than a few square miles of 3G coverage just surrounding my house. You are just making that up.
Heck, it is still banned for large parts of the population, and during certain times of the day.
It isn't about the network. It is about sexual harassment.
They could sue because in the early days, over zealous control freak system administrators decided that they wanted to exert control, so they started saying very loudly, how a playboy centerfold On A Computer(tm) is somehow fundamentally different than in a magazine, so they needed the authority to block sites that might have pictures of naked women. Their rational was that unlike a picture in a magazine that is kept in a folder until the door is closed, the same picture on a computer monitor that is kept in a... well... folder will call in a phalanx of lawyers.
There may even be some truth to it now. The population, lawyers, and judges have been convinced that while it would be unreasonable to expect a business to spend the huge amounts of money that it would be necessary to make sure that Hypersensitive Hanna doesn't find a nudie mag in someone's desk drawer, it is perfectly reasonable to spend huge amounts of money to make sure that she doesn't see it on a computer screen.
Basically, a bunch of sysadmins went around telling everybody how they could and should sue the company. That FUD has lead to where we are today.
Does anyone know if any company has ever been sued because they didn't filter the internet, as opposed to just having a company policy against porn in the office?
There is no "Stealing from the rich". If the "rich" don't like our consumer laws then they have every right to keep every iPhone they produce for themselves. Once they decide to do business within our borders, then just like the rest of us, they have to follow the law. If the people have convince the elected officials to make one of those laws that you cannot lock out competitors from using your products, then that is what they have to do. Even on their worst days, Bush, Obama, nor any of the people that elected them forced Apple to sell anyone an iPhone.
You are a perfect example of someone who has bought into the corporations are a higher caste than individuals. You say that people don't have to buy iPhones, so if they do buy one, they have to follow the rules of the corporation. I say, that corporations don't have to sell iPhones to people, so corporations have to follow the rules of the people.
Or enough people could complain and make a big stink thus pushing government force Apple to work towards their benefit. I always find if funny how many individuals think that corporations SHOULD have more rights than individuals. A corporation has no god given right to do business in my country. The people in my county (supposedly) get to make whatever rules they want. If the people absolutely have the right to decide that what Apple is doing is wrong.
I flat out deny your assertion that corporations are inherently imbued with the right to decide right and wrong. I also flat out deny your assertion that I as a citizen of my country do not have the right to try and sway public opinion to favor me as an individual over a corporation.
No. It is not. When they sell it to you, it stops being their product and becomes your product. If Apple wants it to remain theirs, then they should not sell it. They should rent it, or just keep it for themselves.
"Pink Slime"??? The sub-grade beef article you link to sounds very much like the known dangers of DHMO. It is important that the government start banning these terrible substances. Heck, I wouldn't doubt it if researchers even found DHMO IN the pink slime.
Well, the price the quoted was acceptable for a 90 day mission. If they were able to build a device that lasts far longer for the price of one that would only last 90 days, then hurry! Success!
Well, if you want to get all technical, more evolved would have to mean that it had more mutations that still allowed reproduction.
Wait till I get going! Now, where was I?
They tested aluminum hats. Everyone knows that the reason you can only find aluminum foil in stores and tin foil is nowhere to be found is because aluminum magnifies the signal where as tin foil blocks it. So, these guys at MIT clearly are right that the aluminum foil hat 'craze' is propagated by the government. What they didn't realize was that they confirmed that the government's conspiracy is working since they obviously didn't even realize that the mind reader blocking tin foil was replaced with aluminum.
Unless, they are actually working for the government and performed the reproducible and verifiable experiment with the wrong materials to confuse people into mistaking aluminum foil for tin foil and thus keeping us from making proper mind control ray blocking tin foil hats. It even worked on you! Diabolical!!!