The fact are clear. A teenager broke school rules. She DID NOT BREAK THE LAW. Fake criminal charges were trumped up to illegally arrest the girl.
A school is NOT a courtroom, and it is sad and a little scary that there are people who do not understand the difference.
Texting isnt just passing notes? Really? Why? Because it is on a computer? Are you really one of those dumb asses that think if you do the exact same thing on a computer as would have been done on paper, it is a completely different thing?
As for being treated like an adult... With very few exceptions, adults will be asked to leave a facility if they are doing something that those in charge of the area don't like. They will not have their property seized.
heroine
Are you really so stupid as to not know the difference between the definitions of the words "heroine" and "victim"? Or were you just trying to make a stawman argument and thus showing that you are aware that you are wrong and lack integrity?
Never mind. Your done with me. No response necessary. I think your previous posts make your positions completely clear.
I don't think that you are trying to be ironic, so I'll just have to say that if your trying to argue against the 1984 you should read the book first, as your comments don't argue against it, but read more like a mimicking of the books villains.
I get that. The thread was just going on about how the magazine was taking the pictures. Which is not what the article was about. I happen to agree with you.
It is racist because you have a different standard of racism for people of different races. I see racist remarks all the time on NBC, CBS, ABC, in local newspapers, you name it. Every time someone says "I'm so proud that we now have a black president.", they are making a racist comment. Deciding a persons value based on the color of their skin instead of the content of their character is the very definition of racism. Your accusations that I would be a white supremacist just because I get tired of hearing people blathering on about how great their race of choice is and noted that the OP was possibly the first time I had heard Obama's race mentioned in a non-racest way, is why your comment was racist. I can honestly say that I have heard literally thousands of racist remarks concerning Obama. The vast majority of them were intended to be complementary of him, but were racist none the less.
Can you point to the legislation that gives schools the unchecked right to create law? Just because they say they get to create law by edict does not make it so. The belief that schools are now law making bodies is extremely dangerous. As this case points out where a citizen was ordered to turn over her property for passing notes in class TO HER PARENT. And then arrested for not complying.
apparently reading the summary is not being done, more so in responses to your post, but also in yours. It is not the magazine that is taking pictures. The magazine is being told that it has to have age verification ON THE ADVERTISERS PICTURES. Not their picturse, the pictures from their advertisers.
Apparently there is a solution to the Comcast problem. The solution is to call their business line. I just switched to them because my old ISP could not provide reliable service, and what I found out was that, at least in my area, all of the packet filtering and packet forging is restricted to "residential" accounts. I run my own mail server, and spent the first month pounding the connection with bittorrent. I would download Linux distros and then just delete them so that I could stress test the connection before disconnecting my old service. I pretty well saturated my 6mb line for almost an entire month with no noticable slow downs. There were a few times that it went down to 4mb, but there were a few times that it was a fast as 10mb, so on a whole the speed was what I would think I should expect.
I know that Comcast treats different customers in different areas differently, and I would rather use someone else just to keep choices available, but since I had no other choice, I can't really complain about what I am getting. At the time I signed up, the residential rates were $40/month and the business rates were $60/month. I am now paying $70/month because I needed 4 static IP addresses. (which are officially available to business accounts)
Not trying to convince anyone to switch here. Just saying that if you MUST go with Comcast, make a point to check out their business offerings, even if you are only going to use it for residential uses. For me, the extra $20/month is well worth not having to worry about the shady practices they pull on residential accounts.
I'm thinking it will turn that 30 year roof into a 40 year roof, or that 20 year road into a 30 year road. Maybe extend the life of a parking lot or two....
I feel sorry for your wife when a cop decides he wants to plant a herpes infested load in her ass, and makes it clear that if she doesn't take it, and take it dry, he will arrest her for disorderly conduct. You have made it clear that your stance is that you will will look your wife in the eyes and say "Obviously it's legal." and "I get the next load." Personally, it is my opinion that YOU are a sh*thead because of your stance. I do not however encourage the police to beat you down for posting this stuff on slashdot. It is NOT legal for them to arrest you for being a sh*thead on slashdot. No doubt a cop COULD arrest you on trumped up charges because they don't like what you said, but it doesn't make it right OR legal as being a sh*thead is not a crime.
I am fully aware that criminals do bad things to people just as the confessed criminal in the report admitted to doing bad things to this girl, but it takes a pretty big "sh*thead" to say that it is OK just because they can get away with it.
Ohhhh... So your one of those, if a cop can get away with it, it must be legal, guys. And if they can get away with it then it must be ok. That attitude is exactly why so many cops are criminals.
Being a tool is not a crime. Arresting someone when it is fully known that they have not committed a crime is illegal. Yes, in the real world, many cops are in fact criminals. Yes, in the real world, many school faculty members are also criminals. Certainly in this instance they are. This school and police department did NOT exercise their authority within the bounds of the law. They committed a crime against the girl. Just because they have the guns and no one is going to stop them does not make their actions legal or right.
Shoplifting is a crime. Text messaging is not. It is scary that people allowed out in the general population don't understand this. In your analogy, the cucumber is the property of the store and the store employee is demanding the stores property to be returned. In the real life case, the phone was the property of the girl, and the teacher and cops were demanding that she give up her property.
Oh, wait, were you saying that you were about to give a bad analogy?
what you seem to be saying is that, ultimately, the only way to enforce discipline on a high school student who consciously embarks on an unswerving course of civil disobedience is to call the cops.
That is a ridiculous statement because the answer is obviously yes. Ultimately, the only way to enforce discipline in ANY situation where the person is on an unswerving course of civil disobedience is through the threat of force and violence. Of course, your statement is also ridiculous because there was no indication that this person was "on an swerving course". Jumping straight from 'give me your phone' to 'you are now under arrest' is no different than, jumping from 'don't put your feet on my coffee table' to having you cop pal come over and arrest you with trumped up charges.
Suggesting that we should just start arresting kids when they have committed no crime because we might have to have them arrested if they don't leave the premises when told to leave is simply stupid.
then we agree. i'm sure the student in question is quietly thrilled at the knowledge that she is finally being treated like an adult.
No, we do not agree. This person was NOT treated like an adult. I can think of no situation where a person who is not an officer of the law or judge can after demanding that I stop text messaging, and when I don't, then after demanding that I give them my personal property, and when I don't, have me arrested. The best anyone could do is demand that I leave their property, which is what should have happened here.
right? you have read the actual report of what happened, right?
because i'd really hate to embarass you by discussing all the finer details of this incident that might not have made it into the summary. and i have a feeling that might not be too hard.
Really? Really? Are you seriously accusing me of not reading or not understanding the article because a said that the cops were called? Lets recap:
bechthros (714240)
the funny thing is, no school employee called the cops. but then, you know that already because you've read the police report.
The actual police report:
On 2-11-09, at about 10:55AM, I sqd 123 (Griffin), the School Resource Officer at Wauwatosa East High School was asked to go to room 242 and remove a student
The very first sentence on the second page clearly says that the cops WERE called. I would chalk up your bizarre claim to you not being familier with the fact that School Resource Officer is the double plus good term for cop in NewSpeak, but a School Resource Officer IS A COP. This excuse for your bizarre statement falls appart on when you get to the fifth paragraph on page three where the first cop that was called says:
I called our dispatch and asked for a female officer to come to my location for a search.
So, clearly the confusion isn't your inability to understand NewSpeak because if that was the case, you would have thought that the first cop was a school employee.
Google didn't steal anything. If you leave the door to your home open and come home to find that someone is photographing your things, you are still an idiot for leaving your door open, but your analogy will be closer to what Google did.
(Depending on your neighborhood, you might not even be an idiot, but since I was mimicking your post, I thought it would sound funnier that way.)
I'll answer your questions that have nothing to do with what happened in this case.
what if you tell the student to leave the class and they refuse?
Suspension
what if you give them a detention and they don't show up?
Suspension
what if you give them a suspension and they DO show up?
You call the cops because the kid is TRESPASSING. You know, an actual crime.
What you DON'T do is have a cop come in and arrest a kid on trumped up charges when they have committed no crime.
If you do something in my home (a place that I am the boss) that I don't like, or you disobey me, I am well within my rights to ask you to leave. If you don't leave, I would THEN call the cops and have you arrested. Calling the cops and having them arrest you on trumped up charges BEFORE you have commited a crime that you very well may not commit is NOT the right thing to do.
$20 of CAT5, $10 of jacks, and a $20 fish-tape isn't fiscally feasible, but these gizmos are?
That fish tape doesn't work well in my granny unit where the walls are made of cinder block, and a rug to throw over the cables definitely costs more than $20. A rug is probably going to cost you at least $40. That's at $20 difference. $20 dollars! I can understand someone being willing to spend $50 on networking, but $70? Are you insane?!?!?!
More seriously, these devices seem to have the speed of the modem, the reliability of wifi, and the cost of an expensive gigabit Ethernet. It's like someone challenged an engineering group to build a device that can exploit the worst features of all networking choices. Although I do have to admit that at least they don't require you to terminate all of your unused connection points.
You see, the student DIDN'T refuse to leave. The student was not asked to leave. Calling the cops because the student MIGHT refuse to leave is in line with your local grociery store calling the cops and having you arrested because you MIGHT shoplift. It is clear from the police report, in the police officers own words, that the school overreacted, and the cop wilingly abused his position to make an arrest on trumped up charges. Refusing to hand over your property is not even close to "Disorderly Conduct".
Until someone invents the machine of ultimate truth detection, there will always be cases where the abuser has the children. Being in a shelter neither proves that you are not abusive, nor does it prove that your spouse is.
Slashdot Mirror
So stop reading ARFCOM and Stormfront.
by Grimbleton (1034446):
I didn't make any accusation.
Really?
A school is NOT a courtroom, and it is sad and a little scary that there are people who do not understand the difference.
Texting isnt just passing notes? Really? Why? Because it is on a computer? Are you really one of those dumb asses that think if you do the exact same thing on a computer as would have been done on paper, it is a completely different thing?
As for being treated like an adult... With very few exceptions, adults will be asked to leave a facility if they are doing something that those in charge of the area don't like. They will not have their property seized.
heroine
Are you really so stupid as to not know the difference between the definitions of the words "heroine" and "victim"? Or were you just trying to make a stawman argument and thus showing that you are aware that you are wrong and lack integrity?
Never mind. Your done with me. No response necessary. I think your previous posts make your positions completely clear.
I don't think that you are trying to be ironic, so I'll just have to say that if your trying to argue against the 1984 you should read the book first, as your comments don't argue against it, but read more like a mimicking of the books villains.
I get that. The thread was just going on about how the magazine was taking the pictures. Which is not what the article was about. I happen to agree with you.
It is racist because you have a different standard of racism for people of different races. I see racist remarks all the time on NBC, CBS, ABC, in local newspapers, you name it. Every time someone says "I'm so proud that we now have a black president.", they are making a racist comment. Deciding a persons value based on the color of their skin instead of the content of their character is the very definition of racism. Your accusations that I would be a white supremacist just because I get tired of hearing people blathering on about how great their race of choice is and noted that the OP was possibly the first time I had heard Obama's race mentioned in a non-racest way, is why your comment was racist. I can honestly say that I have heard literally thousands of racist remarks concerning Obama. The vast majority of them were intended to be complementary of him, but were racist none the less.
Can you point to the legislation that gives schools the unchecked right to create law? Just because they say they get to create law by edict does not make it so. The belief that schools are now law making bodies is extremely dangerous. As this case points out where a citizen was ordered to turn over her property for passing notes in class TO HER PARENT. And then arrested for not complying.
And then you follow it up a racist remark. Shame.
apparently reading the summary is not being done, more so in responses to your post, but also in yours. It is not the magazine that is taking pictures. The magazine is being told that it has to have age verification ON THE ADVERTISERS PICTURES. Not their picturse, the pictures from their advertisers.
Apparently there is a solution to the Comcast problem. The solution is to call their business line. I just switched to them because my old ISP could not provide reliable service, and what I found out was that, at least in my area, all of the packet filtering and packet forging is restricted to "residential" accounts. I run my own mail server, and spent the first month pounding the connection with bittorrent. I would download Linux distros and then just delete them so that I could stress test the connection before disconnecting my old service. I pretty well saturated my 6mb line for almost an entire month with no noticable slow downs. There were a few times that it went down to 4mb, but there were a few times that it was a fast as 10mb, so on a whole the speed was what I would think I should expect.
I know that Comcast treats different customers in different areas differently, and I would rather use someone else just to keep choices available, but since I had no other choice, I can't really complain about what I am getting. At the time I signed up, the residential rates were $40/month and the business rates were $60/month. I am now paying $70/month because I needed 4 static IP addresses. (which are officially available to business accounts)
Not trying to convince anyone to switch here. Just saying that if you MUST go with Comcast, make a point to check out their business offerings, even if you are only going to use it for residential uses. For me, the extra $20/month is well worth not having to worry about the shady practices they pull on residential accounts.
I'm thinking it will turn that 30 year roof into a 40 year roof, or that 20 year road into a 30 year road. Maybe extend the life of a parking lot or two....
That might just be the first time I have heard Obama's race brought up in a non-racist way.
I feel sorry for your wife when a cop decides he wants to plant a herpes infested load in her ass, and makes it clear that if she doesn't take it, and take it dry, he will arrest her for disorderly conduct. You have made it clear that your stance is that you will will look your wife in the eyes and say "Obviously it's legal." and "I get the next load." Personally, it is my opinion that YOU are a sh*thead because of your stance. I do not however encourage the police to beat you down for posting this stuff on slashdot. It is NOT legal for them to arrest you for being a sh*thead on slashdot. No doubt a cop COULD arrest you on trumped up charges because they don't like what you said, but it doesn't make it right OR legal as being a sh*thead is not a crime.
I am fully aware that criminals do bad things to people just as the confessed criminal in the report admitted to doing bad things to this girl, but it takes a pretty big "sh*thead" to say that it is OK just because they can get away with it.
Ohhhh... So your one of those, if a cop can get away with it, it must be legal, guys. And if they can get away with it then it must be ok. That attitude is exactly why so many cops are criminals.
Being a tool is not a crime. Arresting someone when it is fully known that they have not committed a crime is illegal. Yes, in the real world, many cops are in fact criminals. Yes, in the real world, many school faculty members are also criminals. Certainly in this instance they are. This school and police department did NOT exercise their authority within the bounds of the law. They committed a crime against the girl. Just because they have the guns and no one is going to stop them does not make their actions legal or right.
Shoplifting is a crime. Text messaging is not. It is scary that people allowed out in the general population don't understand this. In your analogy, the cucumber is the property of the store and the store employee is demanding the stores property to be returned. In the real life case, the phone was the property of the girl, and the teacher and cops were demanding that she give up her property.
Oh, wait, were you saying that you were about to give a bad analogy?
what you seem to be saying is that, ultimately, the only way to enforce discipline on a high school student who consciously embarks on an unswerving course of civil disobedience is to call the cops.
That is a ridiculous statement because the answer is obviously yes. Ultimately, the only way to enforce discipline in ANY situation where the person is on an unswerving course of civil disobedience is through the threat of force and violence. Of course, your statement is also ridiculous because there was no indication that this person was "on an swerving course". Jumping straight from 'give me your phone' to 'you are now under arrest' is no different than, jumping from 'don't put your feet on my coffee table' to having you cop pal come over and arrest you with trumped up charges.
Suggesting that we should just start arresting kids when they have committed no crime because we might have to have them arrested if they don't leave the premises when told to leave is simply stupid.
then we agree. i'm sure the student in question is quietly thrilled at the knowledge that she is finally being treated like an adult.
No, we do not agree. This person was NOT treated like an adult. I can think of no situation where a person who is not an officer of the law or judge can after demanding that I stop text messaging, and when I don't, then after demanding that I give them my personal property, and when I don't, have me arrested. The best anyone could do is demand that I leave their property, which is what should have happened here.
right? you have read the actual report of what happened, right? because i'd really hate to embarass you by discussing all the finer details of this incident that might not have made it into the summary. and i have a feeling that might not be too hard.
Really? Really? Are you seriously accusing me of not reading or not understanding the article because a said that the cops were called? Lets recap:
bechthros (714240)
the funny thing is, no school employee called the cops. but then, you know that already because you've read the police report.
The actual police report:
On 2-11-09, at about 10:55AM, I sqd 123 (Griffin), the School Resource Officer at Wauwatosa East High School was asked to go to room 242 and remove a student
The very first sentence on the second page clearly says that the cops WERE called. I would chalk up your bizarre claim to you not being familier with the fact that School Resource Officer is the double plus good term for cop in NewSpeak, but a School Resource Officer IS A COP. This excuse for your bizarre statement falls appart on when you get to the fifth paragraph on page three where the first cop that was called says:
I called our dispatch and asked for a female officer to come to my location for a search.
So, clearly the confusion isn't your inability to understand NewSpeak because if that was the case, you would have thought that the first cop was a school employee.
Google didn't steal anything. If you leave the door to your home open and come home to find that someone is photographing your things, you are still an idiot for leaving your door open, but your analogy will be closer to what Google did. (Depending on your neighborhood, you might not even be an idiot, but since I was mimicking your post, I thought it would sound funnier that way.)
I'll answer your questions that have nothing to do with what happened in this case.
what if you tell the student to leave the class and they refuse?
Suspension
what if you give them a detention and they don't show up?
Suspension
what if you give them a suspension and they DO show up?
You call the cops because the kid is TRESPASSING. You know, an actual crime.
What you DON'T do is have a cop come in and arrest a kid on trumped up charges when they have committed no crime.
If you do something in my home (a place that I am the boss) that I don't like, or you disobey me, I am well within my rights to ask you to leave. If you don't leave, I would THEN call the cops and have you arrested. Calling the cops and having them arrest you on trumped up charges BEFORE you have commited a crime that you very well may not commit is NOT the right thing to do.
$20 of CAT5, $10 of jacks, and a $20 fish-tape isn't fiscally feasible, but these gizmos are?
That fish tape doesn't work well in my granny unit where the walls are made of cinder block, and a rug to throw over the cables definitely costs more than $20. A rug is probably going to cost you at least $40. That's at $20 difference. $20 dollars! I can understand someone being willing to spend $50 on networking, but $70? Are you insane?!?!?! More seriously, these devices seem to have the speed of the modem, the reliability of wifi, and the cost of an expensive gigabit Ethernet. It's like someone challenged an engineering group to build a device that can exploit the worst features of all networking choices. Although I do have to admit that at least they don't require you to terminate all of your unused connection points.
You see, the student DIDN'T refuse to leave. The student was not asked to leave. Calling the cops because the student MIGHT refuse to leave is in line with your local grociery store calling the cops and having you arrested because you MIGHT shoplift. It is clear from the police report, in the police officers own words, that the school overreacted, and the cop wilingly abused his position to make an arrest on trumped up charges. Refusing to hand over your property is not even close to "Disorderly Conduct".
Until someone invents the machine of ultimate truth detection, there will always be cases where the abuser has the children. Being in a shelter neither proves that you are not abusive, nor does it prove that your spouse is.
Woosh...
Here is a hint. "Soilent Green is people! People!!!"
As repugnant as it may be, it is physically impossible for the population to outstrip the food supply.
No it's not. Because there is more than one criteria, and wind blowing a stone up a hill does not meet the others.
And it has been clearly established that fake individuals have more rights and less responsibility than real individuals.