I have only briefly played with the demo Storm in the store, but given that you have to click for the button to count, it would be trivial for the keyboard to be updated so that it said the key that was selected (but not yet clicked). The blind could easily run their finger across the screen and stop when they got to the letter they wanted. Then click. So, touch phones certainly can be made to work for the blind. The gloved will be a harder minority to serve.
You mean like what happens every day in public schools around the country? It seems to me that we are now entering the realm of "IP" that we will soon need to shut down public schools and jailing the teachers for involving minors in a crime.
So the obvious answer is take the money from all the people and use it to undermine what 86% of the people who contributed believe and 54% strongly believe, to appease the experts of a single field (albiet very important). Good luck with getting that through even in a dictatorship.
What would happen if the History teachers demanded that all students give up movies and instead read? Certainly the historical inaccuracies of film undermines the facts taught in history class, but most would see that as an absurd and out-of-line movement. And that example is just entertainment, you are talking about undermining core beliefs.
You seem to have all the facts necessary to answer the question of why this debate keeps happening, but don't seem to be putting the pieces together. Perhaps it is because you seem to be confused about what Science is. Science is not one field of man. It is everything that is real and not just made up. You have science, and you have art. Real things that exist whether we have the right answer or not, and made up stuff. It is down right impossible to get away from science. The debate is about whether you hold back information from kids because of people that don't know that their art is just made up stuff.
So, yes it is importatant to me as a parent that kids are not denied an education because some goofball thinks that dinosaur bones are a trick of Satan to make us think that the earth is older than humans, or that somehow genetic mutation, heredity and reproduction doesn't really work because it conflicts with their magic stories, or any of the other bizzaro magic that people believe in.
On the other side, the religious fold are not going to accept their child going to Hell because some 'scientist' was tricked by Satan.
You see, it is an impasse, and each side is fighting for it's existence.
The debate reminds me of a conversation I had a few years ago with a friend of mine. For the 15 years I knew him, he was not only a professed athiest, but actually hostile towards religion. I was a bit shocked after his daughter was born that he posed the question to a couple of us of whether he should raise his daughter religiously or not. As others at the table started weighing the pros and cons, I gave him the only right answer. Raiser her on the truth. If he truly believes that there is not Christian god, it would be the height of child abuse to indoctrinate his daughter into a con job that has international support in making sure she never found out the truth, and if he did believe their is a god, he would be condemning her eternal soul to damnation if he did not raise her on the truth.
Your suggestion is that either way, he abuse his child.
Web surfing and emails on a phone are painful because, yes, the screen is small half-vga is going to be painful. But more importantly, because the keyboards suck so bad that they bring a whole new meaning to the term 'Hunt and Peck'. Heck, some phones like the iPhone don't even have cut and paste.
Your problem is that you think that if there is any demographic that wouldn't buy a product, that there is no demographic that will buy it. That attitude probably has a lot more to do with you failed usability study than anything else. If you took a bunch of people that need to spend all day in Visio and asked them to dual boot into a separate system that you didn't even have proper disk access for, just to send an email, then you did a crappy study.
I have no problem dual booting between Linux and Windows, and having full access to the entire windows drive. The fact that you don't know that Linux can easily access and use NTFS volumes tells me that you really don't understand this subject.
If you were going to do a quick edit to a Visio file or PDF file, you would boot into Windows and it wouldn't be that big of a deal since you would only have to do that once every couple of months. If you are the kind of user that works in Acrobat and Visio regularly then you are not the demographic for this product, so you wouldn't use the product at all. I hate to break it to you, but MOST people are not using Visio or Acrobat.
This kind of product is for someone like my wife, who is not going to be bothered with constantly trying to make sure that a laptop is charged after every 3 hours of use, uses email, a web browser, and a word processor (and does not care if it has all the bells and whistles of word). Or someone like me that uses email, a web browser, or uses remote desktop to get access to the full power of my machine when I am in a wifi hotspot. Simply put, you are looking at the wrong demographics.
Then you understand that sharing memory is a non-issue. While YOU may like to send emails on your phone, for the vast majority of people surfing the web and sending emails from a phone is just plain painful. Being able to sit in a plane and use a real keyboard with a real screen and have it work the entire flight would be a big deal to a lot of people. For most of those people, they would not have a problem dual booting. Your basically saying that if it cannot be done perfect, it shouldn't be done at all. The x86 side of things is not for running in parallel with the ARM. It is for that rare app that you have to boot into occasionally.
There simply is no 'jury-rig' involved. It is simply a single system that the user can choose between low power or x86 compatibility. And they don't have to choose until they boot their system. If you don't see the value in that for anyone, it isn't because of a flaw in the idea.
This is how it always goes. People claim it cannot be done until it is done. Sharing data could easily be done via a simple SPI bus and a driver, or an internal USB connection, or a hundred other ways. That is even if the two processors are intended to be run at the same time. Dual booting is down right common these days. Having a laptop that lasts all day, but has the ability to run that one Windows app while using 3 times as much battery power for those rare occasions that it is necessary holds a great deal of value.
As for memory, just give each processor it's own memory. Problem solved. Same with the cache. You are trying to make the whole think WAY more complicated than it needs to be.
No, they can't. Teaching facts and processes dismisses magic which is unacceptable to those who want the supernatural taught in schools, unless you are going to tell the students that facts can be dismissed by claiming magic, at which point you have dismissed science. A middle ground between magic and science is like being a little bit pregnant. It doesn't exist.
If making a small simple mistake with your camera killed people and you were using it in densely populated areas, then yes, you would be pathological for liking your fully manual SLR film camera.
I get that SOME people actually like driving cars frequently. I would say that most people enjoy it at least a few times. That doesn't mean that people should be doing it in densely populated areas. Lots of people like swinging baseball bats, but trying to do it in a crowed is crazy. If you want to swing a baseball bat, you go some place where you are not going to kill someone, and swing away. There are race tracks all over the country that let private individuals drive their personal vehicles on them. On a race track, the only people you are endangering are the people who have decided that the risk is worth the enjoyment of driving.
That being said, this system has the same fatal flaws that other "replace the car" schemes have.
1) It is not a personal unit. You can't leave your jacket in the car while you spend the day in 80F weather, and then run out to the car when the night air starts to give you a little chill. You cannot just head down to your local big box store and get a 50" TV, as you won't be able to get it home. In fact, it would force an entire cultural change dictating that you can only bring what you can carry. Good luck with that. It also means that you get to sit in the piss that the last person sprayed all over the vehicle while reading all of the graffiti that is carved into the walls. Think of the most disgusting public bathroom that you have been in, and that is what you will be faced with when you hail one of these automated cabs.
2) City living is not a good thing for everyone. I know that there are lots of people that like living in super high density cities, but it is simply not good for everyone. I know that I like the fact that my kid can go outside and actually play in something other than hallways and streets. For a "replace the car" system to work, the personal vehicles need to be able to travel everywhere that cars currently publicly travel. In theory every public street in the nation could be replaced to handle these vehicles, and ATV/Golf Carts could be used for the off road uses that might be needed. But the transition time would be a killer.
There have been serveral system in the past that used more than one processor that were different from each other. The two I had that come to mind were the DEC Rainbow which had a Z80 and an 8086. You could choose which processor you wanted to boot to when you turned the machine on. The other computer I had that comes to mind is the Amiga. It started with a 680x0, but you could add a an x86 processor to run PC things, and it was also common to add PowerPC processors.
I still remember back in '90 or '91, seeing an Amiga with Final Writer for the Amiga, Word Perfect for the Mac, and Word for the PC all running at the same time on the same machine.
There is this neat little thing called "Pipe". It is also sometimes called "conduit". Local governments actually already have quite a bit of experiance with running this "Pipe" all over cities. I have 2 government "Pipes" running into my home. One government "Pipe" that runs to my street. And a "Pipe" into my home that is owned by the utility company. So, that is 3 "Pipes" into my home and 1 to my street for a total of 4 separate sets of "Pipes" that run all over the city.
One more set of "Pipes" to my home much like the sewer "Pipe", and every tom, dick and startup could easily run data cables to my with minimal added expense, while the city could collect rent, and we would never have to dig up the streets again.
Ok, Ok, I did overstate that a little. Every 40 or 50 years, we might have to dig up streets to do the same kind of repairs on the data "Pipe" that currently needs to be done with the sewer "Pipes" and water "Pipes". That and with a sewer "Pipe" sized system, my home might be limited to 20 or 30 data competitors, but I think I could live with only having a choice between 30 or 40 ISPs.
Personally, I think that the data "Pipe" system should look like the storm drains or even better, a little larger up to the street and sewer sized up to the house.
The massive public education system means that the entire next generation IS going to have ideas forced on them. They will be indoctrinated into either a world view of science or magic.
We do buy coloring books sometimes also, and yes they do still have Sticker Books. But by the same token that I don't want to be limited to my local newspaper for news, my kid doesn't want to be limited by our local store for his coloring pages. Often the activity pages are part of an overall theme, so it is more fun to have the downloaded page.
That is exactly my point. Whining about government involvement in anything "IP" related is hypocritical unless you are complaining that "IP" even exists.
I never really printed much, but there are many thing, particularly in the home that will still be printed for a long time in the future. Things like photos, mazes for my son, coloring book pages, or really anything for my son that entails marking it up. After all, coloring with crayons and clicking to color a page on the computer are entirely different activities. Sometimes he wants to do one, other times he wants to do the other.
I'm confused. Are you suggesting that the government should regulate markets when they do what you want, but want to call 'free market' when you want a company to have free reign?
You joke, and I agree that a three app limit in Windows is a bad idea, but I would love it if they would lower the driving age to 14 and give 14 and 15 year olds licenses to drive those street legal golf carts, which, like you joke about, only go to 30mph.
You are confused. Apple is trying to get the government to meddle in the market by getting the government to stop Psystar from reselling their OS. If the government were to keep it's fingers out of the 'free market'. Psystar would get to continue as it is doing now.
For almost all cases, video just works and has for many years. Username is identifiable by even a child that cannot read. Clicking next is about all it takes. Yes, you are right that windows takes a little bit of understanding to partition the disk and create user accounts, but it is a non-issue with Ubuntu, as all the person has to be able to do is identify "Name". Data loss is something you consider from the old OS, not the new one that you are installing.
You can try to make up extreme conditions that rarely show up and only for exotic hardware, but they are the extreme exception, not the rule. Maybe you think it is bullshit because you are one of those that cannot match wits with a 2 year old.
Yes. If your preconceptions prevent you from figuring out what a one or two year old can handle easily, you are retarded and should be put in a home for your own protection as well as for the protection of those around you. You are a danger.
The ease of use issue between Windows and Linux are entirely a non-issue. At one year old, my son used both Windows and Ubuntu with no more than 10 minutes total instruction. Any adult that cannot match wits with even the smartest 1 year old is too stupid to be considered in the conversation. As for installation. My son installed Ubuntu on his own 1 week after his second birthday with no problems. Windows he needed help because he could not yet read, and did get that the numbers on the back of the CD case were supposed to be typed into the boxes during install. Other than that, he installed Windows will only slightly more trouble than Ubuntu. Also, any adult that cannot match wits with a two year old is not smart enough to be considered in the conversation.
Simply put, installation and usage difficulty are non-issues.
At one, my son had no problems with either Ubuntu's or Window's interfaces. The "difficulty" in day to day desktop use is a fabrication by people who just don't want to use the computer, and want an excuse other than "I just don't want to.", as well as those that just want something to complain about even if they have to make something up.
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I have only briefly played with the demo Storm in the store, but given that you have to click for the button to count, it would be trivial for the keyboard to be updated so that it said the key that was selected (but not yet clicked). The blind could easily run their finger across the screen and stop when they got to the letter they wanted. Then click. So, touch phones certainly can be made to work for the blind. The gloved will be a harder minority to serve.
You mean like what happens every day in public schools around the country? It seems to me that we are now entering the realm of "IP" that we will soon need to shut down public schools and jailing the teachers for involving minors in a crime.
So the obvious answer is take the money from all the people and use it to undermine what 86% of the people who contributed believe and 54% strongly believe, to appease the experts of a single field (albiet very important). Good luck with getting that through even in a dictatorship. What would happen if the History teachers demanded that all students give up movies and instead read? Certainly the historical inaccuracies of film undermines the facts taught in history class, but most would see that as an absurd and out-of-line movement. And that example is just entertainment, you are talking about undermining core beliefs.
You seem to have all the facts necessary to answer the question of why this debate keeps happening, but don't seem to be putting the pieces together. Perhaps it is because you seem to be confused about what Science is. Science is not one field of man. It is everything that is real and not just made up. You have science, and you have art. Real things that exist whether we have the right answer or not, and made up stuff. It is down right impossible to get away from science. The debate is about whether you hold back information from kids because of people that don't know that their art is just made up stuff.
So, yes it is importatant to me as a parent that kids are not denied an education because some goofball thinks that dinosaur bones are a trick of Satan to make us think that the earth is older than humans, or that somehow genetic mutation, heredity and reproduction doesn't really work because it conflicts with their magic stories, or any of the other bizzaro magic that people believe in.
On the other side, the religious fold are not going to accept their child going to Hell because some 'scientist' was tricked by Satan.
You see, it is an impasse, and each side is fighting for it's existence.
The debate reminds me of a conversation I had a few years ago with a friend of mine. For the 15 years I knew him, he was not only a professed athiest, but actually hostile towards religion. I was a bit shocked after his daughter was born that he posed the question to a couple of us of whether he should raise his daughter religiously or not. As others at the table started weighing the pros and cons, I gave him the only right answer. Raiser her on the truth. If he truly believes that there is not Christian god, it would be the height of child abuse to indoctrinate his daughter into a con job that has international support in making sure she never found out the truth, and if he did believe their is a god, he would be condemning her eternal soul to damnation if he did not raise her on the truth.
Your suggestion is that either way, he abuse his child.
Web surfing and emails on a phone are painful because, yes, the screen is small half-vga is going to be painful. But more importantly, because the keyboards suck so bad that they bring a whole new meaning to the term 'Hunt and Peck'. Heck, some phones like the iPhone don't even have cut and paste. Your problem is that you think that if there is any demographic that wouldn't buy a product, that there is no demographic that will buy it. That attitude probably has a lot more to do with you failed usability study than anything else. If you took a bunch of people that need to spend all day in Visio and asked them to dual boot into a separate system that you didn't even have proper disk access for, just to send an email, then you did a crappy study.
I have no problem dual booting between Linux and Windows, and having full access to the entire windows drive. The fact that you don't know that Linux can easily access and use NTFS volumes tells me that you really don't understand this subject.
If you were going to do a quick edit to a Visio file or PDF file, you would boot into Windows and it wouldn't be that big of a deal since you would only have to do that once every couple of months. If you are the kind of user that works in Acrobat and Visio regularly then you are not the demographic for this product, so you wouldn't use the product at all. I hate to break it to you, but MOST people are not using Visio or Acrobat.
This kind of product is for someone like my wife, who is not going to be bothered with constantly trying to make sure that a laptop is charged after every 3 hours of use, uses email, a web browser, and a word processor (and does not care if it has all the bells and whistles of word). Or someone like me that uses email, a web browser, or uses remote desktop to get access to the full power of my machine when I am in a wifi hotspot. Simply put, you are looking at the wrong demographics.
Then you understand that sharing memory is a non-issue. While YOU may like to send emails on your phone, for the vast majority of people surfing the web and sending emails from a phone is just plain painful. Being able to sit in a plane and use a real keyboard with a real screen and have it work the entire flight would be a big deal to a lot of people. For most of those people, they would not have a problem dual booting. Your basically saying that if it cannot be done perfect, it shouldn't be done at all. The x86 side of things is not for running in parallel with the ARM. It is for that rare app that you have to boot into occasionally.
There simply is no 'jury-rig' involved. It is simply a single system that the user can choose between low power or x86 compatibility. And they don't have to choose until they boot their system. If you don't see the value in that for anyone, it isn't because of a flaw in the idea.
This is how it always goes. People claim it cannot be done until it is done. Sharing data could easily be done via a simple SPI bus and a driver, or an internal USB connection, or a hundred other ways. That is even if the two processors are intended to be run at the same time. Dual booting is down right common these days. Having a laptop that lasts all day, but has the ability to run that one Windows app while using 3 times as much battery power for those rare occasions that it is necessary holds a great deal of value.
As for memory, just give each processor it's own memory. Problem solved. Same with the cache. You are trying to make the whole think WAY more complicated than it needs to be.
No, they can't. Teaching facts and processes dismisses magic which is unacceptable to those who want the supernatural taught in schools, unless you are going to tell the students that facts can be dismissed by claiming magic, at which point you have dismissed science. A middle ground between magic and science is like being a little bit pregnant. It doesn't exist.
If making a small simple mistake with your camera killed people and you were using it in densely populated areas, then yes, you would be pathological for liking your fully manual SLR film camera.
I get that SOME people actually like driving cars frequently. I would say that most people enjoy it at least a few times. That doesn't mean that people should be doing it in densely populated areas. Lots of people like swinging baseball bats, but trying to do it in a crowed is crazy. If you want to swing a baseball bat, you go some place where you are not going to kill someone, and swing away. There are race tracks all over the country that let private individuals drive their personal vehicles on them. On a race track, the only people you are endangering are the people who have decided that the risk is worth the enjoyment of driving.
That being said, this system has the same fatal flaws that other "replace the car" schemes have.
1) It is not a personal unit. You can't leave your jacket in the car while you spend the day in 80F weather, and then run out to the car when the night air starts to give you a little chill. You cannot just head down to your local big box store and get a 50" TV, as you won't be able to get it home. In fact, it would force an entire cultural change dictating that you can only bring what you can carry. Good luck with that. It also means that you get to sit in the piss that the last person sprayed all over the vehicle while reading all of the graffiti that is carved into the walls. Think of the most disgusting public bathroom that you have been in, and that is what you will be faced with when you hail one of these automated cabs.
2) City living is not a good thing for everyone. I know that there are lots of people that like living in super high density cities, but it is simply not good for everyone. I know that I like the fact that my kid can go outside and actually play in something other than hallways and streets. For a "replace the car" system to work, the personal vehicles need to be able to travel everywhere that cars currently publicly travel. In theory every public street in the nation could be replaced to handle these vehicles, and ATV/Golf Carts could be used for the off road uses that might be needed. But the transition time would be a killer.
There have been serveral system in the past that used more than one processor that were different from each other. The two I had that come to mind were the DEC Rainbow which had a Z80 and an 8086. You could choose which processor you wanted to boot to when you turned the machine on. The other computer I had that comes to mind is the Amiga. It started with a 680x0, but you could add a an x86 processor to run PC things, and it was also common to add PowerPC processors.
I still remember back in '90 or '91, seeing an Amiga with Final Writer for the Amiga, Word Perfect for the Mac, and Word for the PC all running at the same time on the same machine.
There is this neat little thing called "Pipe". It is also sometimes called "conduit". Local governments actually already have quite a bit of experiance with running this "Pipe" all over cities. I have 2 government "Pipes" running into my home. One government "Pipe" that runs to my street. And a "Pipe" into my home that is owned by the utility company. So, that is 3 "Pipes" into my home and 1 to my street for a total of 4 separate sets of "Pipes" that run all over the city.
One more set of "Pipes" to my home much like the sewer "Pipe", and every tom, dick and startup could easily run data cables to my with minimal added expense, while the city could collect rent, and we would never have to dig up the streets again.
Ok, Ok, I did overstate that a little. Every 40 or 50 years, we might have to dig up streets to do the same kind of repairs on the data "Pipe" that currently needs to be done with the sewer "Pipes" and water "Pipes". That and with a sewer "Pipe" sized system, my home might be limited to 20 or 30 data competitors, but I think I could live with only having a choice between 30 or 40 ISPs.
Personally, I think that the data "Pipe" system should look like the storm drains or even better, a little larger up to the street and sewer sized up to the house.
The massive public education system means that the entire next generation IS going to have ideas forced on them. They will be indoctrinated into either a world view of science or magic.
We do buy coloring books sometimes also, and yes they do still have Sticker Books. But by the same token that I don't want to be limited to my local newspaper for news, my kid doesn't want to be limited by our local store for his coloring pages. Often the activity pages are part of an overall theme, so it is more fun to have the downloaded page.
Is that intended to be ironic? "IP" is inherently government regulation and thus "free market" and "IP" are diametrically opposed.
That is exactly my point. Whining about government involvement in anything "IP" related is hypocritical unless you are complaining that "IP" even exists.
I never really printed much, but there are many thing, particularly in the home that will still be printed for a long time in the future. Things like photos, mazes for my son, coloring book pages, or really anything for my son that entails marking it up. After all, coloring with crayons and clicking to color a page on the computer are entirely different activities. Sometimes he wants to do one, other times he wants to do the other.
I'm confused. Are you suggesting that the government should regulate markets when they do what you want, but want to call 'free market' when you want a company to have free reign?
You joke, and I agree that a three app limit in Windows is a bad idea, but I would love it if they would lower the driving age to 14 and give 14 and 15 year olds licenses to drive those street legal golf carts, which, like you joke about, only go to 30mph.
You are confused. Apple is trying to get the government to meddle in the market by getting the government to stop Psystar from reselling their OS. If the government were to keep it's fingers out of the 'free market'. Psystar would get to continue as it is doing now.
Because what happens with the RIAA sets precedence.
For almost all cases, video just works and has for many years. Username is identifiable by even a child that cannot read. Clicking next is about all it takes. Yes, you are right that windows takes a little bit of understanding to partition the disk and create user accounts, but it is a non-issue with Ubuntu, as all the person has to be able to do is identify "Name". Data loss is something you consider from the old OS, not the new one that you are installing.
You can try to make up extreme conditions that rarely show up and only for exotic hardware, but they are the extreme exception, not the rule. Maybe you think it is bullshit because you are one of those that cannot match wits with a 2 year old.
Your example shows that the price paid has nothing to do with the price paid by consumers.
Yes. If your preconceptions prevent you from figuring out what a one or two year old can handle easily, you are retarded and should be put in a home for your own protection as well as for the protection of those around you. You are a danger.
The ease of use issue between Windows and Linux are entirely a non-issue. At one year old, my son used both Windows and Ubuntu with no more than 10 minutes total instruction. Any adult that cannot match wits with even the smartest 1 year old is too stupid to be considered in the conversation. As for installation. My son installed Ubuntu on his own 1 week after his second birthday with no problems. Windows he needed help because he could not yet read, and did get that the numbers on the back of the CD case were supposed to be typed into the boxes during install. Other than that, he installed Windows will only slightly more trouble than Ubuntu. Also, any adult that cannot match wits with a two year old is not smart enough to be considered in the conversation.
Simply put, installation and usage difficulty are non-issues.
There are not a lot of rapists out there either, but it doesn't take many to cause a great deal of damage if they are allowed to run rampant.
At one, my son had no problems with either Ubuntu's or Window's interfaces. The "difficulty" in day to day desktop use is a fabrication by people who just don't want to use the computer, and want an excuse other than "I just don't want to.", as well as those that just want something to complain about even if they have to make something up.